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hello, and on behalf of the archdiocese of san francisco, welcome to mosaic. justice is an important and critical word that speaks to a basic human need and names of think we all want to have for ourselves and want to see others have as well. when things are right, things are fair, accounts settled, jury is declared guilty or innocent, punishment imposed. we would probably all say justice is done and we would probably all want to say we live in a just society. but what is the human story behind that word, justice? we might see that justice is more than a principal on hope we which to act, deeper than discerning wrong and right. justice involves the human

relationship. when an injustice has been done, a human relationship has been wounded and damaged and it needs healing. today we will talk with the arch director of restorative justice. as his mission statement says, we provide people affected by crime victims and offenders within our communities, support to heal through prayer, prevention, intervention and guidance. stay with us and after this break we will learn about the meaning of restorative justice and what the archdiocese is doing to teach it and practice it.

hello, and welcome to mosaic. let me introduce my colleague, julio escobar, is your title director of the office of restorative justice ministry? >> yes, i coordinate the ministry. >> you work at the archdiocese at the central office. you told me a couple of things. one is that your ministry of restorative justice is called ministry, you don't call it an office, bureau or program. the second thing, you insisted on

informing me about was, a ministry of presence. help us understand those things. >> when i say presence, i mean that we need to be present. when we meet people and we have an encounter with people. whether an offender or a victim. we need to be present and accompany families in the process of their journey in recovery whether they are in prison or jail or a person that has lost a family member in violence. >> as i looked at what you do in your mission statement. it does seem that you would knowledge there is a relationship between the offender and the victim. and maybe that relationship did not exist before. but now they are in a relationship. that is the part that strikes me. i know nothing about this except what you tell us. but the relationship is there and needs some kind of acknowledgment and

tending. that is what you let people understand? >> yes. the relationship is there but there needs to be a bridge that brings the two parts together. that is what restorative justice is all about. when harm has occurred, and in particular when there is a crime. that bridge needs to be connected by the two people when they both agreed. >> it seems to me that it is different from our adversarial justice system where you have the idea of two adversaries settling something. what is different about what restorative justice tries to bring to it? >> the current system, what it does is attempts to separate both. so there is no opportunity for the two parties to learn about what happened.

restorative justice brings that opportunity. at least listen to each other, what happened in this instance in this crime. >> your focus of your office is on the criminal justice system and civil things as well? >> our focus is to bring the biblical restorative justice to people that are inside jails and prisons and to bring the same concept and approach to someone who has lost a family member in violence. >> it says on your mission statement that you provide both crime victims and offenders with support to heal. it is clear to us that we think, oh, sure, crime victims need to yield you also are saying that criminals also need healing. >> correct. >> how do you work on that?

>> how that works is, criminals or anyone that is in jail , most of the time they have been a victim first. >> i have heard that said by experts, too. and i am using the word criminal but i think you refer to people as incarcerated. people who are in jail or in prison. we are not judging that they actually committed a crime. we are saying, this is the situation in which they find themselves, incarcerated. >> correct. and what we attempt to do is we attempt to bring the word of god for them to realize that they have committed or that they have harmed other people. that is the first step for people we go and visit. they need to have this encounter with god first before anything else can happen. >> so you try to awaken the

consciousness of the person who is incarcerated. i have heard this said as well any times that people who commit offenses have been offended against before and they are bringing the anger they feel into another relationship where it does not belong. how do you meet with them and bring them to realize that kind of thing? >> first, it is not just anger but it could be trauma, it could be that they had been victimized first month that they had been abused. in this process of being harmed themselves first, what we do is we bring the faith. and in the faith, our hope is that god, that they will have a relationship with god first and that through their conscious,

they realize they emitted this harm and they will recognize that they have hurt somebody. >> and that it is not there right to hurt someone, that god frowns on that and wants more for them. >> correct. and what we look for is that they have an encounter where they find that they have responsibility for the harm they have caused. that is one of the other steps in restorative justice. they need to be responsible in order for them to begin the process of healing themselves. >> i guess that is difficult. to the incarcerated seek you out or what is the means by which you meet them? >> our goal is first to bring to them, god. it is unknown at what point they will realize that they have to take

responsibility. it could be, for example, when we go visit someone one time and we don't see that person again, our hope is that they meet god somehow and at the time that they have this realization that they have to take responsibility, it could be two years, three years or it could be the same day that we go to meet them. and in the way that we speak to them, they realize, i need to take responsibility. that is a process. >> let's take a brace and then when we come back we will ask more about the process in which this happens.

hello, and welcome back. we are talking with julio escobar

about restorative justice and his practice of it for the archdiocese of san francisco. i understand that you initiate meetings or mediations between offenders and their victims, survivors and so on and you have sort of agenda for that in which you help open everybody's mind to what that practice is. so do you meet these people through their case manager or parole officer, how does that work? >> we work with partners and one of the partners are the correction officers and they referred their cases to social workers or a case manager. and at that time is when minor crimes are delegated to me. in other cases they are preventative, so we have

different cases and how we use the practice. >> there is a focus on criminal behavior but also family applications? >> mediation for families. we may have a family that needs to speak with their son, the relationship is broken. they come to us seeking help mediating the situation they have. for example it could be the use of drugs or it could be a teenager that is misbehaving and entering into gangs or violence or escaping at night. different situations that the families bring. as long as they both agreed to come and meet with us, then we can hold the meeting. >> so these personal meetings, you have small personal meetings but your department also does activities that involve many ownerships and sort of educational programs as well? >> yes, we work with former incarcerated people. when they

come out, how will they reintegrate into society and re-enter the community. how are they able to get back to the workforce and so on. what we do is we have a conference and we have many partners that offer opportunities to former incarcerated people from housing to education to employment and job readiness and so forth. >> these partners are important. we have some photos to show of some of your activities. i'd like them to ask them to run them down so you can let us know what is happening. tell us what we are seeing in this first set. >> in this particular photo we have the archbishop and myself and we are holding a prayer service on the street where the son of this mother was killed and we held a prayer service with the archbishop and we

contacted the family and offered and ask them if it was okay to do a prayer service. they agreed, and then wherever the homicide occurred we do the prayer service. >> you do this regularly. we have three or four events to show. this is on the streets of san francisco, reclaiming the spot of the murder. everyone is welcome to come. >> for every homicide in marin county, san francisco and san mateo, we do a prayer service for every homicide. we do bring a priest and holy services. >> for the next set of slides there is a couple here that are different. a photo of a group of volunteers. >> these are the missionaries of charity for mother teresa and volunteers that belong to

them detention ministry. it is a group that goes into the county jails and facilities. this meeting, this photo was from a meeting that we talk after we had one of our meetings at the archdiocese. and we have father john in the back and different volunteers that participate. >> the next photo is also a group of volunteers? >> this was san quentin prison, a delegation of the california bishops with sister helena. we went there to look at the facility and different aspects of san quentin. >> the next set is i believe a candlelight vigil. for crime survivors? >> we did a prayer service at

night. this is a vigil and that is a photo showing there where people from the community are invited to come and family members, regardless of what happened, we do this. >> and you are gathered in a church in the next photo. >> this was in sacramento, and the cathedral. we had a large group of people come for a conference and we met and did a prayer service together. >> the next set shows a young man's funeral memorial, i would say. this is the victim of a crime. >> this was in palo alto. he was killed in a drive-by shooting. we did this prayer service in east palo alto a few years ago. we do this for every

family who has someone killed. >> the next one shows some men clearly in detention of some kind. >> we have detention facilities for youth. i've seen as young as 10 years old, young people incarcerated. specifically in san francisco. this is an example of what the facility may look like . because they are under age we are unable to show actual pictures but this is what it looks like inside of the facility. >> a small sample of things that you do. and i can read a list of other activities that you do when we come back. and i know you will be asking for volunteers as well. i want to make clear to people, tell them what kind of skills to bring if they want to be volunteers. it seems like a special ministry. we would like as many people as possible to be involved. we will talk about that in our

next segment. we will be back right after this break.

we are talking today about the very serious prospect of justice and a special kind called the restorative justice as practiced by julio escobar. your restorative justice ministry does lots of different activities with prayer, prevention, guidance and mediation. you have a list of your recently passed events.

you just had your recognition awards dinner for the community people that help you. so explain to me what these are. people are invited to come to them and understand what you are doing and i think you would not mind having volunteers for both of these as well. you have the re-entry conference and resource fair in september. >> september 7th, it is a big conference and what we have is over 40 nonprofit organizations that offer services for people coming out of jails and prisons for them to reintegrate into society. we also have discussions going from different topics where people can attend. that goes parallel with the people that come in to the tables. the executive directors offer services to people coming out of jails income and table. this is of restorative justice conference. we also invite crime survivors,

a number of organizations to come and table so we have both at the same location, the same day. we have people formally incarcerated and people that are crime survivors, specifically homicide. >> and you have retreats for families and friends of prisoners? >> we have retreats for formally incarcerated people, retreats for crime survivors and retreats for families with somebody in prison. then we have a retreat for volunteers. >> i want to ask about that. i have no experience with the criminal justice system, if i want to volunteer are there opportunities with people with zero skills and are just of good nature? can you use help like that? >> our base is really made of volunteers. whether they are

clergy or laypeople. what is important is the time and the heart. you have to have the catholic belief and faith with you because that is where we come and share when we come into the jails. outside, if you want to help in a retreat or help in a conference or an event that we have, you don't necessarily have to be catholic but you need to have the time and heart to come help. >> we talked about this a bit and it seems that this kind of mediation technique can be used in a secular way. but you are saying that you see, as a christian, a deeper layer. that is the soul of the person and the love relationship in which we are supposed to dwell in each other and that has been broken or damaged and you were trying to make people aware of that. that is really good. in the corporal works of mercy

jesus says, i was in prison and you came to visit me. i never quite understood that because he said i was hungry, you fed me, i was naked and you clothed me, thirsty and you gave me a drink. but when i hear about being in prison, i thought, well, what does that mean? because you belong there and i should visit you? now i think i see it clearly. that is a damaged and broken person who is my brother and i say that in the christian decision. and for the first 300 years of church the christians were not the conventional law-abiding people, they were lawbreakers and in prison. we have a long tradition of being among prisoners. >> if you are in prison, jesus says, when did you come and visit me? that is a question when you went. the answer there

is that it is when we are called to do this. we are called to do this because, when you are in prison you need somebody to talk to. you need someone that you can share exactly your conscience. you need someone that you can say, i committed a crime and i need someone that i can have and go back to. that goes in relation to the question, when? and that is when we are called to answer that question and be present . that is how we use the motto of being present in the hardest and most difficult times when people are alone and isolated and wanting to transform themselves. they may be need a word of encouragement, they need some direction. that is when we become present in people's lives. >> tell me briefly about this,

you welcomed a group of high school students from out of town. they are in town for a week or two doing work, can you tell me what they are doing for restorative justice? >> neighborhood action is a national entity that has mission trips for young catholic teens and the group we have is from washington. they've come to learn about restorative justice and the practice through videos and the principles that we use. they are doing greeting cards for father's day, mother's day and christmas for prisoners as well as crime survivors. >> thank you for being here. i want to urge everyone who is interested to contact the archdiocese of san francisco restorative justice webpage and volunteer. thank you very much for being with us. see you on the next mosaic.

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