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jason crow. right before we went to the commercial break, you used the word unite, the importance of the country uniting. the democratic party has been fractured publicly in this debate up until 6:00 p.m. yesterday. that's where our political conversation was. would joe biden be replaced at the top of the ticket. has that conversation ended? >> the democratic party has not been fractured margaret. i want to clear up this misconception about disunit or fracturing. the democratic party is a healthy robust organization that has honest conversations that talks about things publicly and responds to the concerns of the american people. that's what we do. that's always what we do. i don't shy away from that. that's not a sign of disunity. that's not a sign of weakness, having conversations and responding to people's concerns. that's what we did yesterday. a group us that represented some of the toughest districts in america had a robust call with the president to voice our

concerns. >> toughest districts you're saying because re-election campaign prospects are getting harder for democrats in the last few weeks in the wake of that debate performance by joe biden. our reporting has been that there were other democrats on that call who told the president point blank he would lose key battleground states. what was your message to the president? >> i asked tough questions of the president because that is my duty and my responsibility to the coloradans that i represent. i want to be really clear that president joe biden has been one of the most effective national security and foreign policy presidents in generations. and i have and will continue to stand by that record. i've been one of his fiercest advocates. campaigns are different. campaigns are about messaging those wins and talking about the vision of the future and if we're being honest with ourselves, sitting here right now, that message is not effectively breaking through. so the tough questions are, what

is going to change? how are we going to change that message or that approach to that message to break through and win this election? because the consequences are too high not to have that tough conversation. >> up until 6:00 p.m. yesterday when everything changed, there was a lot of focus on this and reporting that it was a very heated phone call and that the president actually got very direct with you and personal. is that accurate? >> listen, you know, this is a tough business, right. there's a lot at stake. emotions can run high on every side. i don't shy away from that, by the way. this is not about me, it's not about my emotions. i embrace those conversations. >> the president was not open to the message you were providing to him? >> i think the president heard our message very clearly and, in fact, he promised to come back to us with more information to address our concerns and to answer our questions. that's the process we're going through right now. in the coming days, is answering those questions -- we don't have

a lot of time, but we have some time to answer those questions, have that tough debate, and that's what we're going to do. then we will decide together the best path to go forward. >> when you say decide together the best path to go forward you are not completely closing the door on the conversation about a change at the very top of the democratic ticket? >> ultimately that is the president's decision. we can voice opinions, and i don't make decisions without full information, and i don't have that full information. >> he's made the point very clear he's not going anywhere. >> again, i cannot speak for the president. all i can say is what i believe and the concerns that i have. i've been very clear about those concerns because that is my duty to colorado and my constituents and my country, that is my oath. my duty is to make sure that we can address the challenges before us, and we can whin this campaign. >> you are, to be clear, still that joe biden is on as looking path? >> i do believe right now,

unless there's a major change, that there is a high risk that we lose this election. that group of democrats on that call, again, we were the majority makers in 2018 and we will be those that will help us lead to the majority again this fall. we know how to fight and we know how to win these tough elections. in reading the tea leaves, it's very troubling for many of us right now. so we want to see a change. that's what the questions that we're asking are about. >> i want to ask you about rhetoric. at a distance, everyone has gotten very heated, obviously, in the past 24 hours, but i'm talking leading up to it. democrats have referred to donald trump as a sociopath, narcissist and this isn't just heated campaign rhetoric. direct verbal criticisms in very heated terms. do you think at this moment all of that should stop? >> i think right now on the heels of an attempt at what appears to be an attempt at an

assassination attempt by the evidence we're seeing right now, we all need to take a step back. we need to take a breather. >> has democratic leadership told you to do that? >> they have not. this is my opinion although i have seen other democrats come out with that message and the president said as much last night. what leadership requires during this very sensitive and very delicate time, where violence could spiral out of control, right, we are on that precipes, so leadership requires that we all step back and we say enough is enough. we can't do this. this is my call to action both to the american people and to my colleagues. the american people right now, pick up the phone, walk out your door, go talk to your neighbor, talk to your colleague, call your friends who don't agree with you and tell them, we can disagree. you're not my enemy. you're not evil. this is our time to come together and reach out to each other and my colleagues, let's stop creating political moments

and start creating political change. that is what we need now. >> i think a lot of americans would agree with that sentiment. i know tomorrow house members like yourself will receive a security briefing. there has already been a history of threats against lawmakers. i wonder how safe you feel just showing up for work or carrying out your work as a lawmaker? >> well, it's a sensitive time, no doubt about it. i've received numerous death threats against me during my time in office. i've been on the receiving end of political violence as well myself. that's why we all need to lower the temperature in the room and be vigilant and very careful right now. there's no doubt about it. this goes to my earlier point about rhetoric and words mattering and making sure we're all taking care of ourselves. >> jason crow, thank you for coming and answering questions a and we will stay on top of what's happening with the

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we're joined now by former assistant secretary for counterterrorism at homeland security and the biden administration, and cbs news national security contributor samantha vingrad and at smith a cbs news contributor and former secret service deputy director. both of you were with us through the breaking news last evening. a.t., start with you, from what we are hearing from secret service, what do we know about the security perimeter exactly here and what went wrong? >> well, obviously, the number one problem the most glaring question to be asked is how did this individual make it to the roof of that building with a long rifle, an ar-15 type rifle apparently? the secret service plan has three concentric rings of

security, inner perimeter, middle and outer and the counter sniper team is responsible for that outer perimeter, up to a thousand yards and so it's their responsibility to pan out and watch all of that and look for the sort of thing that occurred yesterday. >> so did the secret service have adequate time to prepare for this rally? i understand this butler, pennsylvania, location had been used before by the trump campaign? >> yes. they did have an adequate amount of time. i spoke to my sources at the secret service. they were there several days in advance. there was no short knit or anything like that. >> sam, what are you hearing? in our reporting so far there appears to be no criminal background, no at least obvious red flag for this 20-year-old man from pennsylvania who carried this out. >> yes. right now the investigation frankly is in its nascent

stages. our sources are telling us at this time that this individual was not known to law enforcement. we do know what his name is, we know his general buy graphic information, but at this point authorities indicated there is no nextus to terrorism and no law enforcement background. it is worth noting that the intelligence community has warned for years about the threats posed by lone actors in small groups of individuals. lone actors are historically very difficult to detect because they operate alone, aren't in communication with others and so the investigation will take time. at the same time, there is a need for the investigation to be as transparent as possible. there are already conspiracy theories percolating about what was behind this horrific assassination attempt and that is why we saw the fbi and state police brief last night and try to provide whatever information they have as soon as possible. >> and for the shooter to have carried this out, it is, as

we've talked about in other terror contexts, very easy to get a weapon in this country. you just laid out for a lone actor it's very hard to detect the intent of someone like this to carry this out. what do we need to know about the threat environment for anyone going to a mass gathering, whether it is a political rally, a concert, anything outdoor? should americans feel safe this morning? >> we were already in a heightened threat environment prior to this horrific attack. that is now on steroids. that is exactly why the law enforcement community, federal, state, local, tribal, territorial, is surging resources to the sites they feel are most in need of those resources. americans should go about their daily lives. however, when i was at the department of homeland security we urged americans to stay vigilant. if you see something say something. if an individual is making concerning statements contact law enforcement. so americans should be aware of the heightened threat

environment. they should go about their daily lives. they should stay vigilant. mass gatherings as well as high profile activities and sites are the most likely targets for these sorts of events. >> and yet, a.t., we are in a campaign season outdoor mass gatherings, indoor mass gatherings, they are bread and butter of political campaigns. your colleagues, your former colleagues at the secret service, what are they thinking right now? >> well, they're trying to stay on heightened alert as well. they're going to look at what they need to do to improve. we've heard about the enhancements already underway both for the republican convention as well as the democratic convention, so they will take an inward look, try to figure out really quickly what they can do better. obviously, the fbi is the lead agency with this particular incident and they will do a thorough investigation and, you know, again, i've said all along nobody is harder on themselves than the secret service and they will cooperate in every way and

they will, you know, take direction and, of course, self-evaluate. >> i want to bring up a statement that was issued by the secret service. it was fairly unusual this morning for them to come out and try to refute something. they called it an untrue assertion that a member of the former president's team requested additional security and that that was rebuffed. they called it absolutely false and, in fact, they had added protective resources, technology and capabilities as part of the campaign tempo. sometimes nuance is lost in these kind of statements. what do we understand happened here? >> in terms of their assets? >> the secret service is being accused of not providing resources that were requested, and the secret service says that's false. >> that is untrue. it is true that a request was made some time ago and the secret service addressed that request and i can tell you,

based on what they told me this morning, the former president is getting basically the same assets that the sitting president gets, maybe without a couple of classified, you know, things that go on, but for the most part, he is getting the same level of security that the sitting president gets. an example of that is the counter sniper team that was there as well as the counter assault team that was there and you saw them respond to protect the agents when they had the former president on the ground. >> sam, this is unusual but for the agency to come out and swat down an untruth, they have to be concerned about rumors like this, and frankly some lawmakers were alleging things like this. >> intelligence and law enforcement is concerned about the role the conspiracy theories could play in inciting further violence. at the same time i will say i worked hand in hand with the secret service, ther ideologically agnostic. the focus on investigating whether there were intelligence

failures that led the secret service to miss a threat and/or operational failures that did not allow the secret service to establish a perimeter that helped secure the protectee, but the secret service is agnostic and conspiracy theories can only add to the heightened threat environment at this time. >> sam and a.t., thank you for all your work last night and this morning. we'll be back in a moment.

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more than 50,000 politicians, delegates and media members are there for the event, not to mention thousands of both trump supporters and protesters. caitlin huey-burns reports on the security plan. >> reporter: law enforcement in milwaukee is on high alert after yesterday's assassination attempt on the former president. >> we are confident in the plan we have imwe of who this person may be. there were false identifications. at the same time there were trolls that said this was me. it is a very violent space in the worst possible way and it's incumbent upon everyone, including social media platforms, to act responsibly and step in as appropriate in line with terms of service to ensure that this does not spin further out of control. >> isn't that what your former colleagues at sis sa might be doing this among.

>> i think what's happening there we've seen thousands of threats against election officials specifically and yet none have raised to the level of a prosecution. i think what cisa, what election and other national security officials are doing, are working to regroup and what is our messaging and how do we prepare for political violence? do the existing talking points and messaging work or do we need to update? i expect that's what's happening. >> we heard earlier this week from the director of national intelligence, some detailed declassification of foreign actors who are trying to influence and manipulate our election, through misinformation. do we know at this time the degree to which that is playing into this moment? >> it's early to tell. in fact, i asked one of my teams about this this morning and they said that group doesn't work on sundays. it's a little bit early to tell. but we have seen messaging

directly out of the kremlin, for instance, that suggests that this was due to the narrative. >> yes. >> the messaging from the campaign, from the president, that they are responsible. maybe not directly, maybe they did not order it, but it's the messaging. that does speak to your prior conversations with the bigger picture, nuance is dead. messaging has to be clear and precise. in the meantime, we know that our foreign adversaries, russia, iran, china and others, will take advantage of this friction point in america to further drive divides and chaos. and ultimately in some cases like we've seen with iran, drive protests and violence in the real world. >> you're talking there about the declassification from the odni that iran reading it here seeks to stoke social divisions and yawn mine confidence in u.s. democratic institutions around the elections. >> yes. >> and they have done so recently, iranian actors, to

exacerbate tensions over the israel-gaza conflict. >> they went directly into the gig economy, to pay people to come out and protest. and there are bigger questions of fara and whether they're acting on behalf of a foreign power. this is where we the citizens, the people, need to be much discerning and understand why are we being driven, fed this information? what is the potential outcome? take a beat, take a breath. we've heard this constantly. we need to lower the temperature and think a little bit more about the moment we are in. >> the -- one of -- well, the owner now of x, formerly known as twitter, was reportedly making donations to the trump campaign this past week. do we know anything about intention of -- the link of a political backing of the owner of one of the prime social media sites where this is being spread? >> i'm sure that will be a hot

topic of conversation. i think at the same time we have to look at the role platforms play in promoting it information that's misleading, intentionally or unintentionally. just this past week, the european union filed allegations against x for violating terms of the digital services act, which is the law of the land in the eu. so we will see more about whether they have been in violation and what that needs and what sort of fines that may mean for x. this goes back to the earlier conversation about the role of social media platforms in acting responsibly in this incredibly charged environment. >> they have much more stringent regulation in europe than they do in this country on this point. >> yes, they do absolutely. >> chris krebs, thank you. and thanks to major garrett out in milwaukee. we'll be right back. (♪♪) when life spells heartburn... how do you spell relief? r-o-l-a-i-d-s rolaids' dual-active formula begins to neutralize acid on contact.

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living in a heightened threat environment for some time now. yesterday's assassination attempt against mr. trump confirmed our greatest fears, last night we reported on inflammatory statements made by some of our elected or political leaders and some of those who had called for calm. mr. trump issued a statement after his traumatic experience and i noted that his statement did not include a call to lower the temperature. it is not meant as a critique, but rather an observation i made in the moment of that breaking news. today, he said, that, quote, in this moment it is more important than ever that we stand united. so in that spirit, let's all hope for a safe campaign for all of those involved and the former president and his family deserve our empathy after what happened. i wish him and his family the best as he recovers from the attempt on his life. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm mararet brennan.

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