i'm mo rocca. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." ♪ i'm margaret brennan in washington, and this week on "face the nation," former president donald trump charts a new course for the republican party as democrats' anxieties over their own presidential ticket reach a fever pitch. the contrast couldn't be greater

between the two candidates. trump on the heels of securing a running mate and the republican nomination for president appeared at a rally last night for the first time since his attempted assassination one week ago. >> they keep saying, he's a threat to democracy. i'm saying, what the hell did i do for democracy? last week i took a bullet for democracy. >> the former president argued it's actually the democrats who are preparing to thwart the will of the voters. >> at this very moment, democrat party bosses are frantically trying to overthrow the results of their own party's primaries to dump crooked joe biden from the ballot. meanwhile, the calls for mr. biden to abandon his re-election bid continue to multiply with just weeks to spare before his party's convention. [ chanting ] >> but the president remains defiant, reportedly angry and frustrated by his critics,

spending his weekend recovering from covid in delaware. can democrats pull themselves together to defeat trump? we'll hear from west virginia senator joe manchin and minnesota democratic congressman dean phillips. the cochair of president biden's re-election campaign cedric richmond will also join us. plus, what more could the secret service have done to stop the attempt on trump's life? we'll check in with the chairman of the house intelligence committee, ohio republican mike turner. finally, we'll take a deeper look at what a potential trump second term could mean for america and the world. it's all jaust ahead on "face te nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation."

a we start a new week here in washington, the country is still making sense of the tumultuous moment that we are in. on monday, just two days after donald trump survived an assassination attempt at a pennsylvania rally, a federal judge in florida dismissed the charges brought by special counsel jack smith for trump's mishandling of classified documents. those counts had been widely viewed as the most serious charges out of all the felony counts he faces in federal and state courts. smith plans to repeal. that same day, the republican national convention kicked off in milwaukee. mr. trump selected ohio's junior senator, jd vance, as his running mate, and it was a rough week for mr. biden following both his covid diagnosis and the ongoing debate within the democratic party about whether he remains at the top of the ticket. we have a lot to get to, and we begin this morning with the republican chairman for the house intelligence committee, ohio congressman, mike turner. good to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> so despite this epic security

lapse, donald trump has praised the secret service detail and their actions last saturday. i know you've said the director of the secret service should resign if she's not fired first. >> correct. >> you get to ask her questions tomorrow. what do you want to know? >> well, the failures are just absolutely outrageous, and incredible. first, you start asking the question, is this a failure of resources? is this a failure of protocols or a failure of imagimanagement? it appears it's all three. people on the ground at trump's campaign were involved with security had asked for additional resources. they identified that there were gaps, and what's interesting is when we had our briefing, and the secret service gave us their own timeline, their own timeline admits that nine minutes before donald trump took the stage, that they were aware of a particular threat, and still let donald trump take the stage, and then as we also know from their own timeline, they didn't take a shot to take out the shooter until donald trump himself was shot, and what you see from this is that, you know, obviously --

thank god donald trump is alive. as he is alive, we look at this as incompetence. if he had been killed, they would be culpable. every aspect of their failure leads right to giving an opportunity to shoot donald trump, and that is going to be the major issue. how did this happen, and of course, she needs to be fired. president biden should fire her. she's clearly not going to resign, but her failures are incredibly well known throughout the organization, and even as we look at that day, there were very, very basic fai failures. >> but she's at the very top. you're saying it's not on ground? >> we're hearing reports and requests for additional resources that they went to the top of the organization. clearly she was the one responsible for ensuring the safety of donald trump and joe biden, and what we see here, these failures are so extreme that you know that they need new leadership. >> the secret service initially denied that they had turned down requests, and it says there were

some specific units or resources that were not provided, and then they relied on local police. bigger picture, pennsylvania is a concealed carry state. this firearm was legally purchased by the shooter. we have mass shootings in this country unfortunately all the time. large gatherings are targets. it's hard to stop a lone actor. the plain fact here is this could easily happen again no matter who the secret service director is. >> not in this way. this was so obvious. a superior position, their footprint was insufficient. their communication structure was insufficient. there was no way to communicate forward what was occurring and, you know, on that day, resulted in president donald trump not being protected from this site, and resulted in almost him losing his life. >> we looked at our polling this week and 62% of voters say they expect to see an increase in political violence in this

country over the next two years. this was one instance of it. do you expect more violence? >> well, i think we're certainly in a temperament, whether that is very difficult right now. so far, as part of the fbi's investigation, they're letting this be known early that it doesn't appear that he was, you know, it wasn't politically driven or motivated, that, in fact,, you know, perhaps he was tied to an interest in mass shootings, and in -- in his loner status and obviously his fixation on guns, and then brought himself to do this. we'll have to find out the whole picture. we have to find out is he a lone actor really? we say he was a lone shooter. was he a lone actor? what motivated this shooter is going to be very important. >> so in other words, he may not have been motivated by politics. like, would you consider him a domestic violent extremist or could this have been a mass shooter at any mall and he just happened to a pick a rally? >> that's the early reports from the fbi indicate that, that he was just looking for places

to -- and he picked this rally. now we don't know. the investigation will have to be completed, but what's clear is regardless of what kind of threat he was, the failures by the secret service are extreme. he walked in with a ladder. he had a range finder. he had a weapon. he got onto a roof that was within short distance. all of these failures are obvious failures, and that's clearly why the secret service needs scrutiny and the director needs to be fired. >> you are one of the strongest and most influential advocates in congress for additional aid to ukraine. you just went there. >> yes. >> jd vance, now the vice presidential candidate, is one of the most vocal opponents. are you worried he's going to be the last person in president trump's ear if he wins? >> no, and, you know, vice presidents don't have significant impact on foreign policy, but the other aspect is that he certainly won't impact or change donald trump's foreign

policy. donald trump is the first to provide lethal weapons to ukraine, reversing the policy of the prior obama administration, and not providing lethal aid. that was used when russia first began to attack kyiv. he's just yesterday i think it was, had a phone call with zelenskyy, and it was reported by both sides that it was very positive. in his heart, donald trump is a negotiator, and he sees this as an opportunity to end this war, and this war does need ending. we can't continue -- >> on ukraine's terms and not russia's? >> i believe absolutely that ukraine needs to be the determiner of their future and their boundriearies and negotiations, but at the same time, they can't be where they are in the biden administration with restrictions on their fight to russia. this is going to be an ongoing forever border war under the biden administration's current restrictions on ukraine. i think that donald trump will walk in and let everybody know that ukraine's going to get everything it needs.

they're going to get the authority they need, and russia is going to have at that point, motivation. >> russia, the foreign minister praised the selection of jd vance, and you know that senior intelligence officials have briefed that moscow's preferred candidate remains donald trump. does any of that concern you? >> well, again, i think everybody around the world wants a strong leader for the united states, and what we currently have is a leader that is incapable of really making decisions. we need a leader to step up for the united states and as donald trump has said in these conflicts, it's going to take a strong leader and donald trump has shown that. >> he said the other day to bloomberg, i think taiwan should pay us for defense. we're no different than an insurance company. taiwan doesn't give us anything. that doesn't sound like dedication to defending america's allies. >> i think what's important there -- >> what about that interaction? >> i think what's important there back to the negotiations of donald trump's focus on negotiating, one thing that's

clear, we cannot have the united states just be a guarantor of integrity around the world. we need military alliances. they need to be strong and they need to participate. that's certainly what nato has been. we're in the a guarantor. we want a strong nato. we want a strong united states. all of those positions are consistent really with the last four and five administrations. we've looked at our allies and said, you're not doing enough. i think he'll continue to say that. >> on taiwan? stra strategic ambiguity shouldn't be the position anymore? >> that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not taiwan is strong militarily. they're making their own decisions -- their decisions that they're making is to the strength of their military should be in line with how they're going to fight and defend their country, not just if the united states is going to come in and back them up. >> chair turner, good to have you here in person. >> thank you. >> we're always joined in person now by west virginia independent senator, joe manchin. good to see you, senator. >> good to be with yoyou.

>> you made some news this morning saying it's time for joe biden to pass the torch. did he know you were going to publicly say this? >> they were informed. let me make sure that we preface this by saying, after three weeks i hadn't said anything because i thought the president needed to process that and i took a week and thought, maybe he needed that. the next two weeks have been for my colleagues around the country, and whether it be congress, congress districts or whether it be states or senators in challenging areas. now you're hearing from them the concerns they have and how it might affect them, and on top of, that you have the donor class who is showing great reserve right now. with, that i do this with a very heavy heart in seeing that i would like for president biden to be able to finish his five months leaving this country, truly leaving this country the way we know he can. i've known him for many, many years. he's a good person, and he's a patriot. he wants to do the right thing. he wants to heal and bring

people together. if at this point in time, he would pass that torch, he would be able to focus all of his energy to the next five months of how do we heal? how do we get to a peace treaty? how do we support ukraine so that they can have a strong position at the bargaining table? these are the things, and basically show the rest of the world, it's able to have a transfer of power, and do it in the most beneficial way for the whole world to see that it can be done. >> but republicans are saying if they -- if he can't stand for re-election, then he can't even serve the next five months. >> let me just say -- >> you think he's capable of serving the next five months. >> congressman turner and i both understand that the rigors of the campaign is tough. i have been on statewide campaigns and it takes a toll. the president needs to be the president, okay? but being in a campaign mode every day, every day being in campaign mode, and thinking wha the next fund-raiser is going to be, takes you away from needs that we have in the world today,

and in our country. i definitely believe he can do that, and i believe he can do it better than anybody else and lead with a legacy unmatched. that's what i know can be done and should be done, and i'm just very hopeful that this torch is passed to a new generation to allow president biden to be the president i know he is and can be. we have our disagreements. we get back and forth, and -- but i've -- i have all the confidence in the world he can do that. >> how much time do democrat haves to settle this? >> i think the time is very short. i mean, if it goes into the campaign -- into the, you know, convention itself, that changes the whole dynamic, but before the convention, i believe it can be an open primary process, and let the cream rise. i've got two governors in my neighborhood. i've got kentucky and pennsylvania. both working in challenging areas. both able to be able to work with a legislature that is not of their own party, being able to not to villainize anyone who happens to have that because they have a name, and bringing states together and having some progress. let's hear from some of the

rising stars, this new generation. >> but black women are the backbone of the democratic party. if you bypass the vice president, kamala harris, doesn't that undermine -- >> this isn't about race and gender. >> no, but it's about votes and turnout. >> but the bottom line is 51% of those people who are participating and voting and processing america are registered independents. they're not registered democrat or republican. only 25% republican and 23% democrats. these are the people that want issues solved. so worrying about whose agenda and what race you are, other than what the issues are, how do they lose democrats like me? lifelong democrat from west virginia, i was raised in a family and also understanding that that's not my enemy on the other side. democrats were basically held accountable and responsible. we are basically fiscally responsible and socially compassionate, and i don't believe the government should be your provider. government should be your partner. >> so there's this open process

before the convention kbl. >> right. >> and kamala harris emerges the nominee. would you support her? >> i want to see the platform change. >> would you consider? >> sure, i would consider. >> in a vice presidential spot? >> forget about me. >> you're not going to run? >> no. this is a new generation. we've got a lot of deep people on the bench that can serve, and they have proven their medal by being in an executive position. give them a chance to rise. give president biden a chance to do what he really, really can do. see, i believe that the president should have only one six-year term. i don't think there should ever be a re-election, and you need a president from day one until the day they finish. >> so last night in michigan, this is what donald trump had to say about the disarray among democrats. >> they have a couple of problems. number within, they have no idea who they can -- and neither do we. this guy goes and gets the votes and now they want to take it away. that's democracy. they talk about democracy. let's take it away from him.

>> do you fear that by speaking publicly, not dealing with this earlier, that democrats are not just hurting their own candidate, but hurting faith in the process? >> well, first of all -- >> there was a primary. >> let me just say this, we saw the convention for the republicans, and they did a wonderful job. four days, perfectly scripted. then president trump spoke and the last hour of his speech never changed. i still have the concerns about transfer of power. i know the january 6th was real. i have these concerns an him continuing to attack the judicial system that we have and the rule of law. i have all those same concerns i have had, and also sending signals he might not be there to help the free-loving countries that are allies and nato allies and people that count on us that freedom will be there for them. those are my concerns, and nothing has changed. >> jd vance is from a similar

part of the country that you are from, and he has made a virtue of that. said he's going to go out and campaign in michigan and ohio and pennsylvania, talk about his appalachian roots and he calls himself the most pro-union republican in congress. he's railing against corporations. do you find this pitch to be authentic, and will it work? >> jd, i've always said this. whoever you send me from your state, i'll make sure they're successful and we're all successful. i haven't had that much experience with jd because he hasn't been there that long. he seems like a nice person, and we have had pleasantries. i came -- not only my roots, but my entire orchard is all about west virginia. that's who i am, so when i see that, i have been asked one time about my democrat colleagues. they asked me and said, what happened to the west virginia democrats? i said, nothing. they want to know what happened to the washington democrats. we've done everything they've asked us in west virginia. mined the coal, and many more people, and given their blood and lives, supporting our country, patriotic, and now we're not good enough. we're not smart enough, and

we're not green enough. what happened? we're the people that basically helped build this country. don't leave anybody behind. so with, that that's why i am not -- because i believe that the far left of the democratic party has captured truly the party that i knew, and they've captured and it taken it away. they should be trying to get 51% of the independents like myself that have left. >> and you think beshear and shapiro are those guys? >> >> i've seen them doing it successfully, and villainizing and keeping their states whole. america wants the sensible moderate middle. they want who we are. we don't operate our lives that way. why is there 51% of people in america that says i'm not affiliated with either party? something's wrong, and you better play to that because you're not going to win with just 23% or 25%. >> if -- if this change doesn't

happen, and all the reporting today is that president biden is dug in here, will you be able to support him? >> again, i've said, i'm not endorsing or supporting anyone right now. >> will you vote? >> oh, i always vote. i'll always vote, and i'll make that decision when i walk into the booth, but i would like to see a movement towards the sensible middle, and i have been saying that for a long time. i'm waiting until my friend joe biden, who i've known forever -- you can always make a deal. he would bring people together. he would always accommodate you some way. i know that, and i've worked with that for many years. that's what i'm looking for. >> you can't get through to him or speak to him? >> bernie sanders on one side and joe manchin on the other side. that's a big chasm. that's large. you've got to bring that together. we respect each other, and we should be able to come together, but it can't be one way or the other. >> senator manchin, thank you. >> always good to be with you. >> thanks for sharing that with us. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us. that's why at fisher investments we start by getting to know each other. so i can learn about your family, lifestyle,

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to run against president biden in the primary. good to have you here. >> great to be with you. >> so when you suspended your race in march, you endorsed president biden. do you stand by that, and what are you telling your delegates to do at this point? >> i do stand by it. i mean, obviously, margaret, i ran because i saw a delusion. i saw a country who was in a very different place than our democratic party. over 50% of democrats at that time wanted a different candidate, and i was on a mission to expose the truth, provide an alternative and do what i saw in the numbers and through intuition was necessary. but i was trying to create the conversation that i knew was a matter of when, not if. now we're having it. the president did call me in march. a very gracious conversation, and i did endorse him, and i still endorse him, but it is time to step aside and turn this over to a new generation. my endorsement stays until he makes that decision. i'm encouraging that. the country's encourage ing it, and he has a chance to be an

american hero. >> he says he has made a decision. it seems to be not the decision lawmakers would like. >> well, leaving a career in public service is not easy. when i ran for president, i knew i would be giving up my career in congress, a career that i absolutely love, but there's something more important. joe biden has had an extraordinary career. i can't come close to what he's done, but it is hard to leave this, and i recognize that, but he has to. he's got to put this country first. this -- by the way, i want to send a message of optimism to democrats right now. this could be the most extraordinary opportunity that we have had in generations to reset, reenergize, recommit, and actually not just change the narrative, which would really make donald trump upset, but to succeed, and i know the president recognizes that. i hope he concludes that. >> so we have, what? 40-odd lawmakers who have now spoken out. there's over 200 house democrats. so where is the majority at this

point? because a relative small number are going on record as you are right now. >> well, it started with one, me. now we're at about 40, but the truth is -- >> does he have the confidence of congress? >> no, he does not, and a colleague just wrote an op-ed that calls for a vote of confidence amongst my colleagues. a secret ballot because so many are afraid that if they speak the truth, they're going to be punished which is what happens in this business. it's repulsive. a secret ballot, we're back to present privately to the president to show him where congress stands, i think would be helpful because he's either ignoring the truth or those around him have failed to perform their national duty which is to share the truth with him. >> we have to take a break, but please stay with us. we want to continue that conversation on the other side of this. >> sure. of it. >> sure. and keeping it off? same. discover the power of wegovy®. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds.

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