hurt. >> of course. >> we talk now i think for six questions about abortion. >> still trying to get a clear answer. >> i gave you one. >> fda commissioner you would be part of choosing where the commissioner stands on this drug. would that determine whether or not they are chosen to be put in this key role? >> i think president trump has clearly said there are no litmus tests on this issue. he wants to make sure that drugs are safe and effective before they're out there in the market and, of course, that doctors are properly controlling the stuff so that people don't get hurt. again, margaret, i mean, we talk about abortion, i think president trump's views on abortion are extremely clear. >> you've been talking about the concern about the low birth rate in the united states of america. >> yeah. >> which is well documented. you said people without children should pay higher tax rates than those who have children and the u.s. should look at lowering income tax rates on women who have multiple children and pointed to hungary as a model for that. how do you plan to implement

that policy. >> >> it's called the child tax credit. we should expand the child tax credit. >> you and the biden administration agree on the tax credit. >> >> we think it should be bigger, expanded child tax credit and wei want to get this thing done. the child tax credit has languished because harris has failed to show leadership, chuck schumer unable to get it through the united states senate and we want to have a more pro family policy. >> there was just a vote on this and you weren't there. >> margaret -- >> it was a messaging bill. >> it was a show vote. >> i'm with you. >> if i had been there i would have failed. >> tell me what you want to do to expand the child care tax credit. it's like two grand per kid right now. >> i think one of the things you can do is make it bigger. we would love to see it at a higher dollar value. >> do you have a number. >> i would love to see a credit of $5,000 per child but you have to work with congress to see how possible and viable that is. we've proposed legislation to end this practice of parents getting these surprise medical

bills where they go to the hospital they have a baby, they chose an out of network provider and come home with unexpected bills. i sponsored legislation to end that practice. we have a host of pro family policies out there. on the harris administration, i got to push back against something a little bit, margaret, when these comments where i said, parents should pay lower taxes, via the child tax credit came out, the harris administration immediately jumped and said we disagree. the harris campaign said we disagree with this. they want the elimination of the tax credit or just being careless in responding to remarks i made three years ago. i don't know. they should clarify it. maybe in an interview with you. kamala harris refuses to do interviews with anybody. >> we hope to have her on to ask her about it. >> me too. >> 5,000 per child, where would that kick in? >> i would like a broad-based family policy and tax credit, margaret. we've talked about doing this for a long time. president trump has been on the record for a long time supporting a bigger child tax

credit. i think he want it to apply to all american families. i don't think you want this massive cutoff for lower income families which you have right now. you don't want a different policy for higher income families. you want a pro family child tax credit. >> so you have personally opposed universal child care. how do you solve the child care crisis in america? >> what i've opposed is one model of child care. we, of course, want to give everybody access to child care. in my family i grew up in a poor family where the child care was my grandparents and a lot of these proposals do nothing for grandparents. look at some of these proposals they do nothing for stay-at-home moms or dads. i want us to have child care policy good for all families not just a particular model of family. that's what i've said. >> what do you mean by that? there would be a credit per kid if it's a stay-at-home mom or grandma? you get a check to take care of -- >> that's what i've proposed. i don't want us to favor one

family model over another. grandparents at home taking care of the kids they deserve to be treated the same as -- the same way as other family models by their government. >> gay families? they would be included? >> all families would be included, of course. >> really young kids should 3 and 4-year-old kids have access to preschool? >> look, i think that certainly some families are going to choose that. some families choose grandparents and forth. i think our view -- >> that's child care different than preschool. >> very often preschool is child care, at least a form of child care. i know when i went to preschool -- >> your kids went to preschool. >> we used it as child care. you hope the kids get a good education and doing it because you want to provide child care for your kids. i don't think there's anything inconsistent about that. look, we believe that we want to make it easier for american families to make their own choices on this stuff. we talk about school choice, school choice would apply to all families, all parents, and we

just want parents to have choices. i think -- >> including for preschool? many public school systems there is no preschool that's why i'm asking? >> i think we want parents to have choices. like i said we want them to make the choices that make the most sense for their family, for some it's preschool, for some it's going to be day care, for some it's going to be having the kids stay at home a little bit longer. we want the government to treat everybody equally regardless whatever education or family model you have. >> you have a very young family. >> i do. >> you have a very accomplished wife. ushah, she went -- >> i'm very proud of her. >>yale, cambridge, clerked at the supreme court. we heard her on stage at the rnc. you gave a recent interview to megyn kelly. >> yeah. >> you spoke about white supremacists attacking your family. >> sure. >> because she's not a white person. how concerned are you that this kind of hate would follow you to the white house? >> well, look, it's going to follow us wherever we go because that's the nature of public life in america and it's disgraceful.

i love my wife, and i'm very proud of her. i'm extremely lucky to have met her and gotten the chance to build a life with her. my attitude on this is people want to attack me, my policy views, they're welcome to. i signed up for it. my wife didn't sign up for it. by the way, she's out -- way out of their league. the people who are attacking her. i wish they would just keep their mouths shut or focus on me. look, it's the nature of public life in this country. my wife is pretty tough and knows what we signed up for. >> i imagine it's hard to keep your temper when you hear things like that. >> i get pissed off certainly when people attack your family and attack your family for something no person can control and i do think that there's been this thing in america where we've said that we should judge color, based on their immutable characteristics, think they can't control. i frankly think unfortunately, a lot of people on the left have leaned into this by trying to categorize people by skin color and then give special benefits or special amounts of

discrimination. the harris administration, for example, handed out farm benefits to people based on skin color. i think that's disgraceful. i don't think we should say you get farm benefits if you're a black farmer, don't get benefits if you're a white farmer. all farmers we want to thrive and that's the president trump and jd vance view of the situation. i think unfortunately, when our leaders divide us by race, you're going to have hate on the left side of the political spectrum and hate on the right side of the political spectrum. we should judge people based on individual characteristics and merit and that's certainly what president trump and i want to do. >> but that wasn't born in the last four years? >> oh, not at all. but i think that president biden and harris have certainly accelerated it. i don't think you've seen any -- anything like what we've seen from kamala harris when it comes to handing out government benefits based on people's immutable characteristics. the legal enshrinement of discrimination in this country we haven't seen anything like it in the last 30 or 40 years. back in the '60s and '50s.

we look at that as a period we want to get away from and in some ways the harris administration has re-implemented it and i think it's pretty disgraceful. >> in your own movement, that's what i want to ask about, because one of the supremacists saying things like this about your family. >> yeah. >> nick fuentes, an avowed anti-semite. >> sure. >> went after your wife. he previously dined at mar-a-lago with donald trump. does this have any room in your movement in the maga movement? >> of course it doesn't have any room in the maga movement. >> do you disavow him and this? >> donald trump has criticized this person. look, i think the guy is a total loser. i disavow him. if you ask me what i care more about, is it a person attacking me personally or is it government policy that discriminates based on race? that's what i really worry about. >> we're going to mark this year the three-year anniversary of the end of the u.s. war in afghanistan. >> yeah. >> president trump negotiated that withdraw.

>> sure. >> execution you've been critical of as chaotic under president biden. >> yeah. >> let's look at what you could do if you're in office. there are about 80,000 or so afghans left behind, many of whom worked for the united states. does america owe them? should you bring them here? >> well, i think that we should bring people here who helped us and have been properly vetted and that's very, very important. a lot of the people the biden administration has brought in, have not been properly vetted. >> you're talking about afghan vets. >> the most -- certainly the biden administration has let in afghan nationals who say that they supported americans but actually did not. we have to remember there was a lot when we were in afghanistan a lot of so-called blue on green or green on blue violence where people who were allegedly supposed to help us, killed american troops. i want them in our country? of course i don't. i wish they weren't on this earth anymore. we have to be careful about who we let into the country. >> i'm talking about people who worked alongside united states service people. >> and if they're -- >> on the ground in afghanistan.

>> if they're properly vetted we should help them. some of them don't want to come here. some of them would like us to give them safety in another country. >> president trump said he will suspend refugees to the united states. >> you're saying not in this case? >> i'm saying in this case because we're not properly vetting the people let in through these refugee programs. what president trump said is very important. you cannot show up at an american consulate and say, i helped the americans go let me into america. >> that's not how the process works. you know that. >> it is often how the process works. >> it is not -- >> the biden administration has been scandalous in not properly vetting these people. donald trump is exactly right and again, just because they helped us, allegedly, doesn't mean you have to let them come to pittsburgh, pennsylvania, maybe some of them should go to other countries, maybe help some of them in their own country and president trump's exactly right about this. in fact, we know, we know beyond a shadow of doubt that some of the people who have been let into this country are on the

terrorist watch list. that is disgraceful. >> i think now you're conflating a few different things. you are now talking about people who have come in through the southern border versus people who were vetted -- >> >> oh, no. we've plett in people through refugee resettlement in this country we have not properly vetted everybody who has come? >> do you have something you've been briefed on? if you look -- >> i have been briefed privately. public reports of people who have come in through the refugee resettlement process who are on some terrorism watch list or who were not actually helping americans, even though they claimed. we have to be careful. we have a country to protect and we have -- i have three young children. i don't want people walking around the streets of this country who said they served the united states, but because the biden administration doesn't believe in immigration enforcement, they didn't properly vet them. >> do you view china as a competitor or adversary? >> i think they're both. what we want to do is build the kind of international order

where we can check china. we don't want to go to war with china. certainly athey're an adversary. the chinese know they're manufacturing tons of fentanyl come into our country. kamala harris has done nothing about this. she should apply diplomatic and economic leverage over the chinese to stop manufacturing this fentanyl, which then comes into the mexican drug cartels which then ships in our country. >> the united states has -- >> this is a scandal. we could do so much more. fentanyl is not easy to manufacture and if harris was applying proper leverage to the chinese and to the mexican drug cartels we would not have so many people dying of fentanyl. >> how do you do that? what's your vision of how you do that? >> you walk into beijing, talk to xi jinping and you say, your entire economy is going to collapse. you need to take this fentanyl seriously or we're going to impose serious tariffs and economic penalties for not following our laws and not helping us stem the flow of this

deadly poison. >> you wouldn't be worried about blowback on the u.s. committee economy. >> i think we have a powerful economy with the best workers in the world. if we need to fight a trade war with the chinese we will fight it and win it. we cannot do what kamala harris has done being so terrified of using the economic power we have she's not willing to stop the flow of the deadly poison coming into our country. >> president trump said vladimir putin and chinese president xi were lovely individuals when speaking in montana last night. you agree with that characterization? >> i think that president trump gets along with world leaders and nothing wrong with him complements him as people if it makes it more effectively diplomatically. >> that's different than walking in laying down the law at xi jinping. >> no, it's not. you're able to lay down the law like president trump if you have a good relationship with people, and they trust you to follow your word. we have to remember that democrats including kamala harris attacked donald trump for having a good relationship with

vladimir putin. when donald trump was president vladimir putin didn't invade another country. when kamala harris was vice president they did. they should take a lesson from trump's playbook about diplomatic legitimacy. i think donald trump got a lot done because world leaders respected him. >> jd vance, always good to talk to you. >> thank you. good to see you. >> the full interview available on our youtube channel and website. we'll be back in one minute so stay with us. ctory floormats?... they're just as good as weathertech... just as good as weathertech... they're just as good as weathertech... just as good... just as good as weathertech... just as good... are these factory floormats just as good as weathertech? yeah... no. no. nothing comes even close to laser measured weathertech floorliners. they offer the ultimate protection. front, back, and even up the sides. for a full line of premium american made products, order at wt.com

yesterday the trump campaign suggested it was hacked and suggested iranian actors had stolen documents. e-mails obtained from that hack were reportedly sent to politico and the "washington post" but both organizations declined to publish them. the claim a day after microsoft revealed iran and other foreign actors are interfering in the campaign. we go to national security reporter olivia gazzy and expert and analyst chris krebs the head of the cyber security and infa

security agency. does u.s. intelligence assess this was iran? so far the u.s. intelligence community hasn't said either way. they have deferred to the justice department as has the white house. they haven't weighed in on this alleged hack. microsoft, likewise, is declining to comment beyond the original report that it already issued this week, which didn't specify which campaign was at issue. both of them, however, thus far, have said things about iranian activity that lends credence to some of what the campaign has said. the intelligence community in its last update on election security in late july indicated that iran was moving beyond being a chaos agent to actively intervene in order to affect the outcome of the presidential race. while intelligence officials didn't specify explicitly which campaign iran was trying to den me grate, officials said they were opposing the candidate they believe would exacerbate

tensions. it looks like a reprisal of 2020 when u.s. intelligence concluded with high confidence iranian leaked actors had worked to undermine mr. trump's campaign at the direction of the supreme leader. it's worth noting that microsoft's analysis did link the phishing attempt to the corps which has a direct line to the supreme leader and also notable that they weren't clear on the intention les. iranians target senior political officials all of the time for intelligence gathering purposes. whether that was the purpose to gather intelligence or fuel an election interference campaign or both, is still a question. >> chris, you were in office in 2020 when iran tried to intervene then. >> that's right. >> how different is this? >> that was a much more public effort, so if you recall in late october, the iranians sent a bunch of e-mails out to voters and they were able to collect e-mails through hacking into

voter registration databases, and they threatened them. they posed as the proud boys and said we will come after you if you do register to vote as a republican and vote for president trump. subsequent to that, they released a video, immediately the intelligence community was on top of it and there was a public press conference wednesday evening with the director of national intelligence, the director of the fbi. i was there alongside the department of justice. and that was a stark difference from 2016 when it took about eight, nine months to make a public attribution. this was done in the order of 36 hours or something to that effect. >> should we expect that now? >> i think based on the intelligence community's rapid declassification in advance of the russian attack on ukraine, it seems to be that that is the pattern for rapid declassification. i would not be surprised to see something soon. >> we're going to take a break and come back and complete this conversation on the other side of it, so stay with us.

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tina zimmerman: five years ago, i reconnected with my estranged father, and that's just something i never ever thought could happen. but when he became a believer, he just had this insatiable appetite to learn the bible, and he began to watch dr. stanley.

dr. stanley: god always blesses obedience without an exception. tina: he teaches in a way that it just makes sense, and i feel like that's the way our heavenly father would teach us. we return now to our conversation on cyber security with olivia and chris.

chris, the trump campaign is calling on reporters not to publish anything they might receive as a result of this alleged criminal behavior. the model i think of is what happened in 2016 when the dnc was hacked and e-mails ended up hurting hillary clinton's campaign. is that what iran is replicating now? >> it sure seems so. if you go back and look at the microsoft statement from friday that talks about three prongs of the iranian effort right now -- one is to go after campaigns, another is this broader disinformation effort to stoke the fires among society and they went after a county election official, that is the exact replication of the 2016 russian playbook that was outlined in the 2017 intelligence community assessment. i think what we're seeing is the rustification of iranian intelligence operations. what is different is who is receiving the information of what they do.

what is politico and the wall street post doing, showing discretion, that is an evolution in response. we'll be interested to see in what social media platforms do. they have a mixed track record of allowing some of this information to get out there and in other cases they have suppressed or taken it off-line. that is yet to be seen what's going to happen. >> a hack and dump and does this show up somewhere. >> this is a critical point here. this is malinformation, over half a decade, hacking leak is not a real thing. now in this case the shoe is on the other foot, yes a hacking leak is a real thing and expect more of that. keep in mind it is august. we have a long way go in this election. iran specifically seems to have advanced their efforts and moved them to the left perhaps a little bit. i wouldn't be surprised to see russia enter the fray soon. microsoft talks about russian disinformation efforts. a group we track, they are active. others are out there moving as well as the chinese.

>> and olivia, we know that national -- the director of national intelligence has made clear it is russia, it is also china, trying to have some influence here. what are they seeing in terms of preferred candidates? if iran is trying to hurt donald trump, who are the others trying to help or hurt? >> there's definitely an interesting dynamic this time around. as much as the focus today is on iran, intelligence officials have actually said that russia continues to pose the preeminent threat in 2024. they are active, aggressive, rhee reaching for tools that boost the sophistication of the campaigns they're launching. the case in iran intelligence officials aren't explicit about whose campaign they're intervene to undermine or boost but said their preferences haven't changed which in 2016 and 2020 we know that at president putin's direction there was a broad campaign led by russian actors in order to denigrate the democratic candidates and sudden

mr. trump. what makes things interesting iran and russia being at cross purposes deepening their strategic partnership in ukraine, exchanging missile and technologies there. again they're probably both happy for the byproduct of as much disinformation and discord it's sowing as much of that as they can over the election. >> we're going to be talking about this through the election as you said. >> that is a key point. chaos is the point. >> right. >> chaos is the point. and we need to sort out fact from fiction. thank you both for helping us do that. we want to go to kansas democratic governor laura kelly. good morning to you, governor. >> good morning to you. >> so, governor, you are in a pretty unique position here. you are a twice elected democratic governor of a pretty red state. democrats have been leading support in rural america for

years. how do democrats woo back rural america? >> well, you just have to get out there and listen and then produce. you know, when you do that, you will see that, you know, while we label everybody red or blue, the fact of the matter is, here in kansas, we're kansans. if you are a democrat, but you share the values of most c kansans, you need to get out there and get them to know you and you to know them and then they'll develop that trust and put it in you to run the state. >> tim walz is the first sitting governor to join a democratic presidential ticket since bill clinton. he runs a pretty blue state, but there seems to be a bet that he can speak to the heartland, that

he can speak to rural america. do you think that's overstated? >> no, not at all. i mean, tim walz is the epitome of the midwestern dad. you could put him at any state fair on any main street and certainly in a friday night football game in rural kansas and he would fit right in. i think we also need to remember that, while minnesota is a blue state, he represented in congress for 12 years a very red section of minnesota, so he understand rural minnesota, he understand rural america, and i think that is one of the reasons he's a huge asset to the harris-walz team. >> so your state was one of the first to put the issue of abortion on a state ballot to leave it to the voters to decide and those voters overwhelmingly