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nation." we're continuing our conversation now with congresswoman summer lee of pennsylvania. congresswoman, you were talking before the break about the need to focus on issues for the campaign. this past week former speaker pelosi stated vice president harris will, quote, have to govern from the center because that's where the public is. i know you are a progressive democrat. do you think that this pivot to the center, particularly on issues like the border and immigration, and crime, are they going to hurt support for the harris-walz ticket or what's required? >> so i have to say, and i like to hope that we're about to do this, i have to disagree a bit. i think we have data and polling, we have evidence from americans all over the country, but especially out of pennsylvania in a swing state where we're not actually asking for our candidates to runaway from progressive ideals.

we're asking for them to run to them. the idea to say having health care or equitable education or talking about immigration reform and the border in a humane way is somehow to the left. i think that's what the average american wants. i think that in too many -- very many ways we've crede the ground to republicans around immigration. they have the tendency of talking about it. incredibly fear mongering in an inhumane way and i don't think it's wise we join them. i think people want to see us distinguish ourselves as a party, to see that we offer solutions for working class people for marginalized people and i think that we can do that vocally and proudly and still bring people to the party and not have them runaway from it. >> that means you disagree with the harris endorsement of the bipartisan border bill which was a fairly conservative bill? that's the policy stated for what the vice president would enact if she's elected?

>> i think that what i like to hope -- i hope that -- i think so many of us want to see, not just progressives, even just democrats, is that we can recognize that we need comprehensive immigration reform, that there are millions of folks in america who are impacted by this, folks who want to come here for a better life, who are looking for opportunities, and they are finding that the pathway, the window to achieving those opportunities is shutting, not opening. in the past there were systems in place that created an easier pathway for folks to obtain citizenship, work, contribute. and that's what people want now. i think that we need to be real about the solutions, what's driving folks to our border, and driving folks to want to make a life here in the united states at the same time. >> congresswoman lee thank you for your perspective for are a slightly different one, fellow democrat, we are joined by new york congressman pat ryan.

pgood morning. >> how are you doing? >> i'm doing well. you know, you were at the dnc this week speaking on stage. you were one of the very first house democrats to call out and publicly say joe biden needed to pass the torch. you're in a tight re-election race in hudson valley, new york. do you think that having kamala harris at the top of the ticket makes it easier for you to win than if joe biden had stayed? >> without question. i mean, coming out of the dnc and for the last now month plus, we have just seen such energy, such enthusiasm, such true joy and optimism at a time when even this morning in your coverage, it's a challenging, dark and divided time. that's what people in my district are desperate for. that is what we've been working on. when kamala harris talks about freedom, patriotism, reproductive freedom, economic freedom, freedom to breathe clean air and water, that is what folks, regardless of party, they want to believe in

something, to be for something, and she has delivered that. i think over the next 72 days, we're going to see that momentum continue to build. >> the former speaker points to five seats in new york state as determining the difference between democrats having a minority or majority spot in congress. you are one of those seats. do you think that now democrats have a better shot at gaining the majority? >> yes. no doubt. >> definitely? >> no doubt. it's been a sea change. i won my last race by 1.3%. >> exactly. >> very attune to what's happening in my district and talking to folks all day, every day. it has been just kind of putting rocket fuel into a jet engine and seeing blast off. it's such -- it's so important i think to understand it's one thing to be against a set of things. >> right. >> but to be for a set of things and for core freedoms, that's rallying people. >> put this in specific terms,

because some of the policies aren't that different from joe biden's policies. in fact, they're exactly the same on the border, and you, when you issued that statement calling for biden to step aside, you called for him to restore order at the border. your district has been hit with a lot of migrants being sent from new york city to the hudson valley. what is any different about the harris platform on the border? >> i served 27 months in combat and i know what it means to secure a border and i think foundational to the responsibilities of a nation state, is to secure the border. that's not a partisan thing. that's a widely held view. so i did, you know, call on and sort of call out president biden in not doing enough. >> the biden-harris policy. >> they've stepped up. what we heard from vice president harris at the convention in her speech, was exactlying what folks in my district want to hear, which is we're going to secure the border, restore order at the border but not lose who we are as americans to welcome folks

who want to come here, make a better life, serve our country make it better and stronger. we can and will do both. >> so it's still not articulated as a different policy in the specifics. we haven't heard the vice president at least say things in detail. but on the issue of abortion which is protected in new york state, up to 24 weeks, after that point, it has to be that the mother's life is at risk for that procedure to be taken, it's going to be on the ballot in some form or fashion in november. do you think that this is just about driving up turnout? >> the whole founding -- >> it's already protected. >> the founding ideology of our country is about freedom. people don't forget two years ago, the trump's appointees to the supreme court ripped away a fundamental freedom. more states across the country taking away american freedoms. want to piss off the american people, take their freedom away.

this is not like a political thing again. this gets to the core of who we are. so in new york, things like the comstock act on the books outlined in project 2025 without congressional action, the hypothetical trump administration says they can put in place, backdoor national abortion ban, we are stand ug up against that as democrats, really as americans though, and that will be a huge issue in my district. >> trump and vance haven't been clear on the comstock act. i asked jd vance a lot of questions about it a few weeks ago, to put that aside, though, i want to ask you about afghanistan because in your call for joe biden to step aside you pointed to that as a biden-harris problem. in fact, you said it was a strategic and a moral failure that withdraw. the vice president says she was the last person in the room on that decision. is that failure also hers? >> we've got to stop assigning partisan blame on fundamental

things like -- >> you said that. >> on national security. >> i said it as an american, as someone who served in combat, had friends that served in afghanistan, if we can't make mistakes and wrestle with that, with a little bit of space to do better in the future, how do we expect to continue on the next 250 years as this great country that we are? so we have to be -- and i've called on presidents of both parties when i disagree with them, on behalf of my constituents, on behalf of what i think is right for the country. >> i bring that up because we are coming up on the three-year anniversary of that withdraw and that fatal attack at abbey gate where 13 service people lost their lives in the isis-k suicide bombing. those service members took the president biden hasn't spoken their names and how hurtful that was to them. do you think the vice president should speak to that now this

week? >> i'll let the vice president make her decision about things like that. what i think we need to recognize is, you want to talk about how we're speaking to veterans and military families. just ten days ago, donald trump got up and said, medal of honor recipients, the most revered heros in our country's history, only 62 living medal of honor recipients in the united states, he directly denigrated and insulted them on top of years of insulting gold star families, calling our troops suckers and losers. that's something i spoke about at the convention and i believe we're in a place where the democratic party is a party of patriots. folks voting for kamala harris can feel that they are doing and i certainly feel their patriotic duty to bring our country together, stop insulting veterans and military families that have made the ultimate sacrifice and kamala harris has done that and we'll continue to do that. >> it would mean something to those in your district if that

loss was acknowledged this week? >> i think that it would mean a lot to the family members, of course, to acknowledge their loss and, you know, we've lost far too many veterans, not just in active duty combat but we've talked about this before, coming home, we lost more iraq and afghanistan veterans to suicide than in active duty. we need to properly fund the va. another thing that donald trump failed to do. so it's -- these are important stark choices ahead. >> congressman, good to have you here. >> thanks, margaret. >> we'll be right back. yay - woo hoo! ensure, with 27 vitamins and minerals, nutrients for immune health. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. (♪♪) (vo) you might be used to living with your albuterol asthma rescue inhaler, but it's a bit of a dinosaur, with 30 grams of protein. because it only treats your symptoms, not inflammation. treating both symptoms and inflammation with rescue is supported by asthma experts.

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this week campaigning in nevada his plan and he would like to release more federal lands to allow homes to be built. is that sufficient? >> well, first off, thanks for having me on. you know, i'll tell you this, as a businessman before i became governor i was in the mortgage business and the last thing you want to do is the vice president harris plan, which is to put $25,000 more into every single person's pocket for the purpose of buying houses. >> first-time home owners. >> without fixing the -- for first-time home buyers, correct. if you throw the demand side up without fixing supply, what happens to pricing? you're actually exasperating the problem. pricing for housing goes up. te solution president trump is talking about is the correct solution, to eliminate permitting reform, permitting reform, make it easier for

developers and people to develop and build houses, get rid of regulations. that's the free market principles that we believe in, and we know are the correct way to do it. when you think about it, listen -- go ahead. >> sorry. the vice president said she also wants to create 3 million homes. so she is talking about adding to supply, but on the republican party platform, because we went to look at it, it says, that republicans will reduce mortgage rates by slashing inflation, really a fed decision, right, but also open portions of federal lands to allow for new home construction. sounds very much the same as the harris plan and promote home ownership through tax incentives and support for first-time home buyers, similar to the harris plan. what's different? >> well, first off, there are so many first-time home buyer programs right now, and my question to you, and this is a great question for vice president harris, who is going

to build the 3 million homes? >> yeah. >> i mean basically, we believe either in a free market system or we believe in government intervention. the bottom line is, you're going to drive up the cost, the reason we have 20% inflation under a biden-harris administration right now is because of all of the attacks on energy, for example, the bureaucracy. we need permitting reform. we need deregulation. we need to unlock american businesses to meet the needs of americans. basically, when you have municipalities stopping new developments for lot sizes and for first-time home buyers, that's the things you need to do. by increasing and throwing more money and giving -- think about it for a second. this ticket -- i know governor walz, i'm friends with him in the national governors association. he's a nice guy. i've met vice president harris a couple times. seems like a nice person. if you think about the democratic ticket they've never worked in the private sector.

so their policies are showing that. you can't give every single first-time home buyer $25,000 and expect the prices of houses to come down. that's not the way the economy works. >> okay. >> that's socialism and communism. >> it's not clear what the republican platform means when they say tax incentives and support for first-time buyers, so it's not clear to -- what their detailed option is when they say also helping the first-time buyers, but on the economy, your state has a law that prohibits an increase of more than 10% for the price of goods and services during emergencies. the harris campaign wants federal restrictions on those kind of price jumps. why do you oppose it at the federal level if you have something at the state level? >> well, what we're talking about on the state level f we have a natural disas heter, for example, if there's a tornado that comes through our

community, we don't want out-of-state people coming in and price gouging as far as roofing and materials. when i declare an executive order and say this area of the state has been hurt, it's for a short period of time, maybe for a month, and that's just to protect the people from really people coming in and -- to try to make money off of this disaster. that's totally different than what i see this administration, the vice president harris recommending. she's saying here's the problem that doesn't make sense to the american people and you need to question her on this, okay, so she's going to tell grocery stores that the maximum you can pay for milk and charge for milk is $1.99. >> right. >> they're saying they're not -- >> what if the costs are more than that. >> what are they saying they're doing? >> i would love to put those questions. >> price control then. >> i got you for a question, you are backing president trump. early on you have supported the xw governor of florida, ron

desantis, he warned republicans about this. >> you're not going to be talking about the border. you're not going to be talk about the economy. you're going to be talking about all these things to make the election a referendum on donald trump, whereas, if i'm the nominee, we'll be solely focused on the issues that matter to the american people. >> is president trump getting in his own way on his own messaging? >> i'm not going to defend what vice president harris said in the convention against president trump or what president trump is saying. this is -- this is not about winning an argument and i think the american people are really tired of that. let's -- we have to get back to asking questions about policy and vice president harris' policies have led to 20% increase in inflation, and i think the american people at the end of the day when they ask themselves were they better off when president trump was in office the answer is going to be

yes. president trump is the nominee. he has the best policies. i believe he's going to win in november. >> governor, thank you for joining us. we'll be back in a moment.

we're joined by former fda commissioner and pfizer board member dr. scott gottlieb. good to have you here. >> good morning. >> so this is a covid summer surge. the cdc says we may be at the peak or about to pass it now. the biden administration has just made free testing available that they'll come at the end of the month. the new booster shot was just approved. is this playing catch up here? >> i don't think so. i think the timing is about right in terms of rolling out the vaccine and the tests that will be available for people in the winter time. we've had these summer surges and a subsequent winter surge a couple seasons in a row. we need to understand this is probably the predictable pattern for this virus for the foreseeable future. hard to have a vaccine earlier than they have had it this year. they've got it out earlier in the past and try to time it with the flu vaccine so when people go into the pharmacy they can get a covid and flu vaccine which is important for a lot of

older americans. it is the case that we do see these summer surges and we will have to think about how we protect people better in the future. i think the idea of having a dual vaccine, having two vaccines per year, that may be a difficult thing from a manufacturing and a production standpoint. >> this booster is about kp-2 variant. >> right. >> kp-3 is swirling around now apparently. it will still protect you? >> the data right now it's preclinical data, data looking at whether or not the antibodies produced are a result of getting vaccine nated neutralized kp 3 strain. we rely on that daugts. we've historically relied on it, and it's been a proxy for how effective the vaccine is going to be. this vaccine should protect against kp 3 about a third of the cases of kp 3 right now. i don't believe that the winter surge, we're likely to see a winter surge from covid, is kp 3. covid cases are starting to decline in most partings of the country, perhaps the northeast

is still rising, parts of the west, utah and colorado, but we should be through most of this summer surge. cases should start to continue to come down and what ultimately emerges in the winter time we don't know yet. >> when do you get it? the vaccine that is. and the guidance from the cdc is once your fever breaks count five days and you're good to go. that's not going to stop transmission, is it? >> i think people who get covid and recover from covid, probably should use an antigen test to see when they're no longer infectious. still registering on a test, you're shed something virus, although your infectivity has come down, when five, six days out. i think for americans who are going into set where is there's people who are at risk where they work in confined spaces, people may be vulnerable, they may need to take added precautions still testing positive on the antigen test. there's no golden rule in terms of when people aren't ineffective anymore. want to be vigilant use a test to look for that.

in terms of when to get the vaccine, for most americans getting it some time in september, maybe early october, is going to be sufficient to protect them from the winter surge. a lot of americans worried about the current surge and still a lot of virus around could get the vaccine right now because they could catch covid from the current wave of infection. for people who have been infected they likely have several months of good protection from that recent infection. they may want to wait a little bit longer when they get vaccinated late october that vaccine will extend further. the immunity provided by the vaccines only last a defined period of time, three, four, five months. >> it's a serious strain, i'll say that. the cdc said that they saw a high number of children under 5 going to the er. why are kids being impacted like that? >> part of that is kids don't have baseline immunity. a lot of adults have baseline immunity. overall about 2.4% of all emergency room visits are for

covid right now, but for the cohort over the age of 65 that's about 3.4%. 3.4% of all people over the age of 65 who go to the emergency room for any reason are going there for covid. in children under the age of 5 it's 5.8%. a higher proportion of kids who go to the emergency room are going to the emergency room for covid. they're getting sick because they don't have baseline immunity, haven't been infected or vaccinated. part of it is parents are more likely to take a sick child to the emergency room than themselves. that's some of what's baked into that. >> hard to get a kid vaccinated. >> hard to find a place that vaccinates toddlers. think of cvs, most of their pharmacies won't vaccinate toddlers. only the pharmacies that have minute clinics. pediatricians don't stock the vaccine because a lot of parents aren't asking for it. if your pediatrician doesn't have the vaccine, ask them to order it and it should be available within 24 to 48 hours. >> i have to many more questions but we have to leave it there right now. we'll be right back.

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