welcome back to "face the nation." we continue our conversation with the democratic governor much north carolina, roy cooper. governor, our cbs polling shows this is still a competitive race for donald trump, largely because of those voters who just don't think they are better off

financially right now. their incomes are not keeping up with inflation. this is especially true among non-college, white and working class voters. how do democrats change this perception? >> well, i think that same poll, margaret, said that people had more trust in kamala harris to help the middle class, and as she spends time getting out her economic plan, of shifting the tax burden here, we need to make sure billionaires and corporations pay their fair share and everyday people and small businesses get the tax benefits. as she talks about her child care plan and providing child care tax credits, you've got donald trump who clearly doesn't understand the problem, you got jd vance saying you should get your grandparents or your aunts or uncles to look after children, completely clueless. when we continue to get this

information out to the american public and to people here in north carolina, that kamala harris has an economic plan that's going to help lower the cost for everyday people, that's going to help families thrive, that is going to protect women's reproductive freedom, i think at the end of the day that's going to be what works here. >> you got a short period of time to do that, sir, in this election. one of the things that we did hear about from the vice president this past week was her endorsement of a less dramatic increase in the capital gains tax rate than what joe biden had proposed. this is a tax on assets owned for more than a year on households bringing in over a million dollars in income. now the vice president hasn't said whether she supports biden's proposal to tax unrealized gains. that's getting a lot of focus from republicans. i'm just wondering, though, is this announcement in positioning really just an attempt to appear more moderate, to appear more

pro-business? is it just a political ploy? >> i think what kamala harris found out in the period of time the three and a half plus years that she's been vice president, is that you have to achieve consensus to get things done. and that's exactly what she's been able to do. overall, what she wants to do is to shift the burden here. clearly the billionaires are not paying their fair share. we've got to figure out a way to make sure that we can get them to do that, while easing the burden on the middle class. the way you do that is to try to find consensus because as you know, it's very tough to get legislation through both the house and the senate and that will continue to be a challenge. but she's shown that she's got the ability to help do that. tim walz was in the congress, so he's got the ability to help push legislation that helps shift this balance.

i'm excited about the potential for them being president and vice president of the united states. >> and having to work with congress. i want to ask you about guns. we saw this horrific shooting in georgia this past week, and the father of that shooter is facing second-degree murder and other charges because he gave his son that ar-15 style weapon that was used. you're a former state attorney general and i wonder what you think of this precedent of prosecuting parents? do you think it's effective in dissuading gun violence? >> i think we have to do everything we can to reduce gun violence, particularly gun violence in our schools, and i think that is appropriate. but we also know that these military-style assault weapons are being used by lots of people. they can kill multiple people. we don't need to have them on the streets. look, you can't be tough on

crime if you're weak on gun laws. vice president and i here in north carolina as a gun owner, the supporter of the second amendment, support stronger background checks, red flag laws, and banning these military-style assault weapons. we shouldn't even have them available for people to use in these mass murders that are occurring. i'm tired of seeing texts from children in a school telling their parents that they're afraid and that they love them. we cannot normalize this. jd vance said this is just a fact of life. no, it's not. >> he said it's -- >> it is not. >> he regrets it's become a fact of life. but you do agree then with prosecuting parents, is what i understand from what you just said there? >> look, if the evidence is there, yes. we need to make sure that people are responsible. if you're giving a 14-year-old -- and i don't know

what all of the evidence is here. you've got to wait until court. if you're giving a 14-year-old, particularly one who said they like mass shootings and you giving that 14-year-old an ar-15 as a birthday present, that is a problem. >> would you serve, perhaps, as attorney general in a future harris administration? >> i'm going to be involved in some kind of public service. i'm running through the tape as governor. it's a lot for me to do. going to work to make sure we elect kamala harris as president, elect democrats in north carolina and then we'll see. >> governor, thank you for your time. we'll be right back. can a body wash transform your chest, arms, legs? it's olay body wash with skin care ingredients and 10x more vitamin b3 complex.

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we're back with the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee republican michael mccaul of texas. good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> a lot to get to with you. i want to ask you about what we heard from the justice department on friday in regard to this massive russian scheme to influence the upcoming election. back in the spring you took some

heat after you said russian propaganda had infected a good chunk of your party's base and you blamed right wing media. seems like you're being vindicated here, but donald trump said yesterday at a rally he seemed to dismiss all of it. i don't know what it is with poor russia. do you have any reason to doubt what the justice department and intelligence community said? >> russia has been trying to do this many years, china and iran for that matter, and it's intensified. i think -- i didn't blame anybody for it. i blame russia for putting disinformation in the united states that does get picked up by people unwittingly in many cases. i think in this particular case, the owners of the company knew they were dealing with a russian disinformation campaign, and if that's true, should be indicted. but it's a problem with china. they're involved in my election just like nikki talked about her election. iran under indictment there.

i mean, this is russia, china, iran, north carolinaing. >> i want to put that aside for a minute and delve into your investigation. you've been on this program a number of times over the past three years investigating the u.s. withdraw from afghanistan. your report comes out tomorrow. explain the timing. because it's in election season a day before the presidential debate. your ranking member colleague is saying that this is politically motivated and they didn't even get a copy of the report. why is that? >> they're getting a copy of the report today as is secretary blinken and the white house. >> politics, though, in an election year? >> it's taken me two years to get to this point because of the obstruction. i've had to serve subpoena after subpoena, move to compel, threaten to, you know, hold the secretary in contempt, to get information like after action reports, all these documents, testimonies we finally got to.

why is it important right now? because of the foreign policy at stake. what happened after afghanistan impacted the world. why? because putin responded by invading ukraine two months after afghanistan fell. chairman xi, putin made an unwholly alliance in beijing threatening the pacific now, and in the ayatollah, reared his ugly head, we're seeing this, this is really important, the bagram prisons unleashed thousands of isis-k prisoners that went to the korizon region, aepts of those have been detained by the fbi in the united states, that got in through the southwest border. this is a failed foreign policy ke riding with a failed border policy at the same time. it's relevant. lastly, my investigation will go well after the election. >> where does it go next? >> we have a lot of unanswered

questions regarding the d.o.d. what happened on the ground? why were these snipers left basically unprotected? >> where was the surveillance equipment that was videotaping? why don't we have one video of the suicide bomber going off? >> there's a go pro camera that you document that did film it and there was a reaper drone that started filming three minutes after the explosion. >> after. >> but are you implying here some kind of conspiracy? i mean, you can't be saying that the pentagon wanted -- >> i'm not a conspiracy guy. i'm a prosecutor. this was done methodically. i did this with fact, evidence. didn't reach any conclusions. the fact is, typically they do multiattacks at the same time. we know that -- >> the isis suicide bombers who i a tacked at abbey gate. >> that's their modus on peronedy and how they conduct these things. we know all the video was

destroyed after. what we know from the marines on the ground is that shots were coming from the taliban. and some of the marines were actually hit by bullets. according to their testimony. it's the best evidence we have because the videos were destroyed. >> general mckenzie in a briefing in 2022 said that that was ball bearings that came from the suicide bomber's explosion and there was some dispute over the bullets. >> that may well be the case. >> i guess why i'm asking, there have been multiple centcom investigations, a state department investigation, do you not accept the findings of those investigations? >> if it wasn't for my investigation, centcom never would have reopened an investigation. it was this, you know, very brave sniper that came forward tyler vargas anders that said i had the suicide bomber in my sights asked for permission to engage, permission was denied. >> centcom defies that happened.

>> they denied it happened. i want to know where they got the picture. is that a picture of the bomber at the site or where did they get that picture? we don't know. >> h being the airport. i want to ask you, 11 marines, one sailor and one soldier lost their lives at abbey gate when that suicide bomb ter detonated. on tuesday the speaker of the house is presenting an award to the family members of the fall. that's debate day. you would agree all gold star families need to be respected in this country, more than 2400 americans were killed in afghanistan. 45 combat deaths under donald trump. why aren't all of them being honored? why only these 13? >> this is one of the deadliest days in afghanistan. it could have been prevented if the state department did its job by law and executed the plan of evacuation. they did not do that until the day of the taliban invaded and

overran kabul. by that time it was too late. they let these 13 service men and women hang out to dry. 170 afghans killed. 45 service members and afghans injured as a result of the, i would say moral negligence on the part of the administration, allowing this to happen. i think it's totally appropriate to honor them. it was never done with the intention of it being on the same date as the debate. that was not a coordinated effort. >> really? >> to my knowledge it was not. >> general mckenzie, who is the centcom commander in 2021 said the trump doha agreement was one of the worst mistakes made by the united states, the operational mechanism that killed afghanistan, destroyed the government of afghanistan. did you identify mistakes by the trump administration? >> well, we identified -- >> the negotiator.

>> with doha, he negotiates with the taliban and leaves out the afghan government. >> right. >> that was a slap in the face to them. and it was not good for morale. having said that, the taliban -- >> that was the trump policy. >> yeah. and the taliban was in violation of doha. that's why trump left 2500 troops. when president biden came into office, it was very clear, go to zero. in fact, his press guy said it's immaterial. doha agreement is immaterial to us going to zero. we're getting the hell out of there. irrespective of conditions on the ground. >> both presidents agree with getting out. it was the military that opposed. >> the trump administration had conditions. >> how it was done? >> i don't think -- i don't think we can speculate. one thing is for sure, biden had an agenda on day one to get out. >> i have so many more questions for you, sir, but i'm told we're out of time and have to leave it there. mike mccaul, chairman of the

house foreign affairs committee. we'll be back in a moment.

joining us now the ranking member of the house intelligence

committee, democrat jim himes of connecticut. good morning to you. >> thanks for having me, margaret. >> a lot i did want to get with you, but did want to offer you a chance to respond to congressman mccaul. you and most democrats supported president biden's decision to withdraw from afghanistan, but you would agree the exit was one of the darkest days of his presidency to date. what do you make of the republican argument this reflect on vice president harris' ability to serve as commander in chief? >> you're right when you say that was a dark day. any time we lose service members is a dark day and the 13 we lost at abbey gate, you remember as you pointed out in your interview with chairman mccaul, there were 2500 others killed in afghanistan over a 20-year period. what chairman mccaul is going to offer to the american people is, and you said it right, about vice president harris. it is a politicized cherry

picked report designed to do one thing, not shedd light on a tragedy, which i would support 100%, and by the way, let's also look at the 20 years and the four presidents that doubled down on afghanistan policy, it is going to be a partisan thing. chairman mccaul said it at the end there. you know, what -- the military issues that he was raising, you know, he didn't mention the fact that when he said that president biden came with an agenda to withdraw from afghanistan, president biden did not come with an agenda. he came with a binding agreement negotiated by president trump who released 5,000 taliban and here's the key point that didn't come up, who also left president biden with 2500 troops in afghanistan. >> yes. >> when we were attacked on january 6th on the capitol in the days after, we had more than 2500 national guardsmen guarding the capitol. that's the tools and agreement that donald trump left president biden with. >> and there were thousands more nato troops as well. the 2500 is a little bit

misleading. but let's put that aside. just to honor our allies there that surely you know about. i want to ask you about the isis threat. on friday, it was disclosed that a 20-year-old isis supporter was apprehended 12 miles from the u.s.-canada border. the fbi said the individual was a pakistani citizen residing in canada planning a mass shooting attack in new york city on or around october 7th to kill as many jews as possible. do you have any insight into whether this individual was self-radicalized, directed? what is the threat picture here? >> yeah. you know, we've been out of session for some time, so it's been a little while since i've had a classified briefing. i probably can't specifically answer the question about that individual. what i can tell you is two things. number one, isis is dedicated as is, by the way, iran and any number of other groups, to

trying to strike the united states. that is a fact and that is why it is so important the work of the intelligence community and the fbi to stop that stuff. and they're pretty good at that. you saw the arrests of course of the eight people who were affiliated with terrorist groups. they're very good at what they do. it's very hard for them to be perfect. it's important we not overexaggerate the threat here. we have come a very long way -- i'm back from a 9/11 ceremony on the 23rd anniversary celebrating or memorializing that hideous attack, the intelligence community, the military, fbi, have come a long way since 9/11 and as a consequence we learn about these things and hopefully in a position to obstruct as many of them as possible. >> fair point. i want to switch gears, if i can, and you are right to remind us all that we are coming up on that 9/11 anniversary.

a memorial to all of those. on the question of election interference, we got these disclosures from the intelligence community this week ad the justice department. this was a sophisticated scheme to interfere in the election by setting up fake news sites, paying $10 million to a tennessee-based company to launder moscow's propaganda. they used podcasters, well-known personalities on youtube to trick american voters in swing states, according to the doj. how effective has this campaign been? >> well, that's a really hard question to answer, margaret. that gets into the question of, you know, gosh, are these crazy right wing websites and right wing journalists who evidently their money came from russia, are they actually having an impact on the election? it's sort of hard to believe in a 50-50 election played out in four or five states it's not going to have some impact on the

maher, which is why two things are really important. number one, back to the fbi and our intelligence community. they need to double down on identifying, naming and shaming those countries that are doing this and chairman mccaul was right, it's primarily russia. russia has pulled out all the stops. it's also china and iran. there's even some other countries thinking about it. i feel very passionately about this. they can only succeed if american citizens hand over their autonomy, sovereignty, their critical thinkening abilities to the russians or chinese. what i always tell my constituents if you're looking at some random social media site and getting hotter and hotter and angrier and people who disagree with you are not just the opposition, but they're traitors, what you are doing is being manipulated. it may be by facebook's algorithms, but there's some chance it might be the kremlin or chinese or iranians. if you're going to be manipulated that easily, the is country is going to get the democracy that we deserve.

>> vladimir putin publicly said he was endorsing vice president harris this past week. u.s. intelligence, though, assesses it is donald trump's that is moscow's preferred candidate. do you know whether putin tis directing this particular campaign? >> well, i will tell you that super sensitive things like meddling in u.s. elections, you know the nature of the kremlin and of putin and of his autocracy. nothing serious happens in russia without vladimir putin signing off on it. so precisely how he involved he is an open question. but believe me, yes, he would -- and look, you know, the whole, you know, i'm endorsing harris thing. >> yeah. >> all you need to do is listen to the wap y the two candidates talk about russia and ukraine and you can develop an independent sense of what putin would like to see happen on election day.

>> you said earlier this week banks are required to research their clients when you were being asked about this case of a tennessee based company thatorn manipulated by the russians. what is the principle you're asking to be applied here? >> i guess, i'm not talking about legal compulsion, necessarily here, although banks are required to know their customers. it's nice to imagine that, you know, massive social media platforms or massive media platforms like tennette, might do research to try to figure out where their money is coming from. the people who look at their media have a right to know where the money comes from. at a minimum, check this stuff out. you may not want to be complicit in a kremlin operation. >> thank you for your insight. we'll be right back.

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