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now, they're not voting quite yet, we still have a few weeks until early voting takes place in north carolina and other battleground states. but trump is saying that he's a known factor, harris is a known factor, the voters know the issues, so why would there be another debate? now, vice president kamala harris was in greensboro on thursday, and she said they owe it to the voters to do a second debate, so sounds like she's game on. and also, shanelle, cbs news proposed a debate with our partners at univision and "wall street journal" for a second debate between the two of them. we have yet to hear from either campaign, but that ask is out. we're hoping they'll say yes to it. >> okay, so with another debate likely not on the table at least at this point in time, how does that change the state of the race? >> reporter: well, preparing for debates takes time. it takes candidates off the campaign trail. they have to prepare, they're talking with aides and advisers, they're studying up. we saw before the debate, both
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vice president kamala harris and former president donald trump were really off the campaign trail, holding lighter schedules. now that that's over, vice president kamala harris said on thursday that her campaign is going in full swing. they're going full throttle, visiting every battleground state, blanketing really the airwaves with their ads, talking about the issues with voters in north carolina, arizona, georgia, and trump is also filling up his campaign schedule holding that rally in tucson. and he goes on to los angeles and las vegas and then later next week he'll be back in michigan. so, really they're ramping up that schedule a lot. the time is ticking. we really only have just about 50 some odd days until november for those voters to vote. so they're really ramping up the clock, getting out, seeing the voters, without a debate, rather, on the schedule, it gives them that opportunity to really capitalize on time, which is a commodity that is really dwindling. >> mm-hmm. and so olivia, trump also unveiling a new tax policy. who is this aimed at?
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>> reporter: yeah, that tax policy unveiled tonight, no tax on overtime, if you're someone working more than 40 hours a week, donald trump says you're not going to be taxed on that under his administration. shanelle, it is important to note that any changes made to tax policy requires an act of congress. so, we'll have to see if that's actually something that trump can accomplish if he were to win the election. >> good to know. we appreciate that context. olivia, thanks so much. when "cbs news roundup" continues, we'll have a look at the distortions and misinformation flooding the airwaves and the internet this election cycle. (♪♪) “the darkness of bipolar depression made me feel like life was moving on without me. then i found a chance to let in the lyte.” discover caplyta. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta is proven to deliver significant symptom relief
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and assure us they don't take political stances or aim to spread fake news or fear. what a relief. except that there are plenty of good citizens ready to handle that side of the business. >> now, everything about this woman, and i mean everything comes across as phony. >> reporter: we live in an age of alternate facts. >> today's republican party sees diversity as the top national security threat. >> reporter: more and more americans are getting their information almost entirely from outlets that echo their own political point of view. >> i believe dr. fauci has manufactured the coronavirus. >> now there is 100% evidence that the deep state colluded with the mainstream media to actively interfere in the last presidential election. >> the man who republican members of congress call orange jesus wants to shut down msnbc.
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>> reporter: and then there is social media, where there are few, if any, filters between users and a wide world of misinformation. >> and look what happened to our country. >> reporter: for example, july 13th, when a sniper came within inches of assassinating donald trump as he addressed an outdoor rally in pennsylvania. >> take a look at what happened. >> reporter: within minutes, social media was alive. >> who did it? >> reporter: with uninformed speculation. >> it was the government themselves. they're all on the same side. >> reporter: we have no idea who she is, she has no particular credibility. why should i even care that she is -- >> because she could potentially have an audience. i the algorithm gives it steam, that could be seen by millions of people. >> reporter: and then on x, formerly twitter, this message.
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you're telling me the secret service let a guy climb up on a roof with a rifle, only 150 yards from trump? inside job. 7 million views and counting. >> we're at a point where nobody believes anything. truth is a concept is really in trouble. it is suspect. >> reporter: the cumulative impact of the lies and distortions just keeps growing. such that journalist steven brill titled his new book "the death of truth." >> there are facts and it used to be in this world that the people could at least agree on the same set of facts and then they could debate what to do about those facts. >> reporter: but we're losing our grip on any sort of shared reality. steven brill's company newsguard is attempting to put the brakes on. >> what are you looking at?
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>> i'm looking into this fake hamas threat that was part of a russian disinformation campaign. >> reporter: its 40 or so staffers around the world identify and reap the credibility of online news and information sources. it is a finger in the dike because there is no price to be paid. >> so i see this bill as an enormous contribution to our moving into the information age. >> reporter: almost 30 years ago, the federal government decided that internet platforms were like the phone company. >> welcome, you've got mail. >> reporter: you can't sue the phone company for what a caller might say in a phone conversation. >> they inserted a three paragraph section called section 230, which said these new chat room publishers would not be responsible for anything that was published in their chat rooms. >> reporter: instead, it left the internet essentially without any enforceable rules.
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social media companies exercise only limited control, permitting lies, fake news, and intentionally divisive content to proliferate. a torrent of allegedly moscow-backed content -- >> ukraine is our enemy. being funded by the democrats. >> reporter: provoked an angry reaction from the u.s. this past week. >> charges this morning do not represent the end of the investigation. >> reporter: but most of the damage is self-inflicted, home grown, from national and supposedly local outlets. >> there are more fake news sites posing as legitimate local news in the united states than there are news sites of legitimate local newspapers. there is no monopoly on virtue from either side here. just to take an example, the most effective fake local news sites are financed by liberal
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political action committees and they're sort of especially self-righteous about it. when i interviewed them, they said, the well, the other guy is doing it so we'll do it. but it is undermining democracy. >> reporter: as he points out, we're just starting to come to terms with the full potential of artificial intelligence. >> my fellow americans, i want to take a moment to address some of the hateful [ bleep ] you've been talking about me. >> reporter: none of these images is real. >> it disorients everything because you don't know if something is a hoax or political propaganda or a deepfake. you just don't know what to believe. >> reporter: in the environment you described, is it possible for us to have a clean, fair, universally acceptable election? >> your last condition is the one that is, i think, impossible. universally acceptable. forget universally. even modestly acceptable. i have a real fear that one way
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or another, regardless of the outcome, that the chaos and the disbelief and anger that is going to prevail on november 6th, the day after the election, is really going to put our country to a test. >> reporter: it always has been complicated, whoever gets the most votes does not necessarily get to be president. there is that electoral college complication. and let's not pretend that we haven't had our share of political corruption. i'm talking about you, chicago, and you, boston, and texas and south carolina and, yes, new york. there is plenty to go around. and even though we had to go to the supreme court to solve that bush/gore thing in florida, at some point or another we used to accept the fact that one candidate won and the other one lost.
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we can no longer take that for granted. somehow this time is different. >> ted koppel reporting. thank you. "cbs news roundup" will be right back. tina zimmerman: five years ago, i reconnected with my estranged father, and that's just something i never ever thought could happen. but when he became a believer, he just had this insatiable appetite to learn the bible, and he began to watch dr. stanley.
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most lifetime awards for a solo artist at 30. swift also encouraged her fans over 18 to register to vote. rachel smith has more. >> reporter: for the third year in a row, taylor swift dominated the vmas. winning video of the year for "fortnight" ♪ i touch you for only a fortnight ♪ >> reporter: one night after endorsing kamala harris for president. she also gave a rare public mention of her romantic partner. >> i would always just hear, like, someone, like, cheering and, like, whoo! like, from across the studio and that one person was my boyfriend travis. >> reporter: while swift raked in the awards, this year's breakout stars provided eye popping performances. ♪ chappell roan with fiery
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medieval vibes before winning best new artist and thanking the drag queens who inspire her while encouraging many of her fans. >> for all the queer kids in the midwest, watching right now, i see you, i understand you, because i'm one of you. ♪ you can see ♪ >> reporter: it was an out of this world performance for sabrina carpenter whose "espresso" won song of the year. ♪ guess who's back ♪ the show was filled with flashbacks from the last 40 years, including eminem, channeling his bleach blond slim shady era performance from 2000. and vma host megan thee stallion paying homage to britney spears' iconic number while wearing an albino python. ♪ california girls unforgettable ♪ ♪ daisy dukes bikinis on top ♪ >> reporter: another big moment, katy perry's epic big energy medley performance, her partner orlando bloom followed it up by
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presenting her with mtv's coveted video vanguard award. >> do whatever it takes to stay true to yourself and true to your art. ♪ >> reporter: and after a big night for women, some seasoned gentlemen closed out the night including lenny kravitz. ♪ are you gonna go my way ♪ >> reporter: and ll cool j. >> such a good show. all right, that was rachel smith reporting. and that's today's "cbs news roundup." be sure to tune in later for "cbs mornings" and reporting from the cbs news broadcast center in new york city, i'm shanelle kaul.
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hello and thanks so much for staying up with us. i'm shanelle kaul in new york. and here are the top stories on "cbs news roundup." former president donald trump rules out any further debates with vice president kamala harris. raging wildfires in southern california communities continue to threaten homes and lives. and after widespread flooding and wind damage, people on the louisiana coast begin the big cleanup in the wake of hurricane francine. there will be no debate rematch between kamalaharris and donald trump. the former president thursday ruling out another showdown, referring to himself as the winner of a prizefight. but both sides continue campaigning, especially in those key battleground states. cbs' skyler henry has more from washington. >> reporter: in battleground arizona, former president donald trump declared himself winner of tuesday's debate with vice
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president kamala harris. >> as everyone saw two nights ago, we had a monumental victory. >> reporter: after posting on social media earlier in the day, the former president repeated that there won't be another face-off between him and harris before election day. >> so because we have done two debates and because they were successful, there will be no third debate. >> reporter: outside the rally venue in tucson, this trump supporter said she wants to see a rematch. >> i think it would be good for both of them. >> reporter: on thursday, harris hit the campaign trail in the swing state of north carolina. >> i believe we owe it to the voters to have another debate. because this election and what is at stake could not be more important. >> reporter: the vice president went after trump on issues including the future of the affordable care act. >> he's going to end it, based on a concept, and take us back when folks were suffering. well, we're not going back. >> reporter: trump has said he
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intends to replace the affordable care act with another package of health reforms. at his tucson rally, the former president announced a new plan to end taxes on overtime pay after a 40-hour workweek. >> that gives people more of an incentive to work. >> reporter: trump has also been vowing to end taxes on tips and social security benefits if he wins his bid to return to the white house. skyler henry, cbs news, washington. more than 11,000 structures are in the path of the massive line fire in california's san bernardino county as it now continues to ravage the landscape. that's only one of three large wildfires still burning in southern california right now as cbs' ben tracy reports, at least one of those fires is believed to have been started intentionally. >> it came up this side here and caught the thing on fire. it was hot, hot, hot. >> reporter: when the flames arrived at robert lucas' door in lake elsinore tuesday night, he
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said it felt like a war zone. >> it is pitch black and fire is coming over the top of me. i can't see. it is hot. and i don't know where i'm going. >> reporter: as the airport fire exploded to more than 20,000 acres, lucas fought off the flames with a hose for more than 12 hours. you bought a water truck thinking some day you're going to need this. >> not some day. it is going to happen. there is no question. it is not a house. it is my home. it is my home. i built it myself. that's why i stayed, to try to save it. >> reporter: three fires are still burning within 100 miles of los angeles. the largest is the bridge fire, which has charred more than 51,000 acres. officials investigating the so-called line fire charged justin holstenburg with nine counts. they say evidence was found inside the 34-year-old's home and truck and he allegedly started two other fires the same day. >> arson is one of those crimes that is, to me, unbelievably
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despicable because it is a head scratcher. >> reporter: despite having now survived three fires, robert lucas has no second thoughts. does it give you any pause about living here? >> absolutely not. this say great place to live. i'm at the age where i don't want to rebuild it, i want to save it. >> reporter: firefighters are finally getting the weather they need to get the upper hand on these blazes including lower temperatures and less wind. but it could still be several days before people are let back into areas like this one to see what they lost. ben tracy, cbs news, lake elsinore, california. turning now to the remnants of hurricane francine. about 300,000 customers are still without power as torrential rains move from louisiana into the midsouth. this was the scene as the storm came ashore on the louisiana coast on wednesday. residential neighborhoods inundated with heavy rain, flooding and powerful winds. now residents there are left contemplating this big cleanup. cbs' dave malkoff has their stories after seeing the damage
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up close. >> reporter: torrential rain and wind gusts of nearly 100 miles an hour made the streets of dulak, louisiana, look like high seas on wednesday. just north in thibodeau, 7 inches of rain in 24 hours turned into blinding downpours. during the raging storm, this is the moment when deputies in donaldsonville rescued a woman pinned under a tree. they had to use chainsaws and jacks to lift her to safety. new orleans was inundated with three times the amount of rain in a typical month. now crews are working to restore electricity and the cleanup has begun. >> let's do this. >> reporter: and misery is shared. dan the junkman and his wife samantha stevens watched their passion project of a thrift store selling right here in the heart of terrebonne parrish. this means something to the neighborhood. it is the most affordable place to stop. now the roof is gone and
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everything is exposed to the elements. >> it is really good people in this neighborhood. and a lot of them are less fortunate and they look forward to coming here, their favorite place. >> reporter: but dan stevens is feeling grateful. >> i've been blessed my whole life. this is the only bad thing that happens to me, i'm good, man. >> reporter: what he doesn't want is people coming inside in the overnight hours as we go to the drone, you can see what they're building right now, a temporary wall here. beyond that, there are steel beams that have been ripped apart by the force of the hurricane itself, razor sharp, right at head level. the national hurricane center says most of the injuries actually happened after a hurricane has passed. dave malkoff, cbs news, houma, louisiana. the trial of a man accused of murdering four university of idaho students is moving to the city of boise. 300 miles from the scene of those fatal stabbings back in
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i'm shanelle kaul in new york. the head of a troubled hospital chain was summoned before congress to explain why his healthcare facilities are going out of business. he never showed up. lawmakers will vote next week on whether to hold dr. ralph de la torre in contempt of congress and seek civil and criminal charges. de la torre's company buys hospitals, sells the land beneath the buildings and then makes hospital administrators figure out how to pay the rent and all the bills. chief medical correspondent jon lapook has been varreporting on this for years now and now has the latest. >> reporter: for nearly two years, cbs news documented how private eckquity investors and ralph de la torre got hundreds of millions of dollars from struggling hospitals. >> they are healthcare terrorists, they're killing our patients. >> reporter: today on capitol hill, medical workers in local government officials testified
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about the damage done by the company, which declared bankruptcy earlier this year. >> steward didn't pay the vendor and there weren't any bereavement boxes and nurses were forced to put babies' remains in cardboard shipping boxes. these nurses put their own money together and went to amazon. >> reporter: missing at the hearing, dr. de la torre himself, who requested his testimony be postponed after he received a subpoena. >> dr. de la torre is a coward. >> reporter: between 2010 and 2021, steward bought up more than 30 hospitals across nine states, but a cbs news investigation found that by early last year, unpaid bills had led to shortages of life saving supplies. in boston last october, a new mother died after a medical device that might have saved her life was repossessed weeks earlier because steward hadn't paid its bills. >> steward healthcare systematically extracted every possible dollar they could get out of our hospital until it led to its closure 12 days ago. >> reporter: a key finding of our investigation, private
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equity backed companies like steward have sold off hospital real estate and instead of putting that money back into care, they pocketed a large chunk of it. we found evidence of lavish spending including this $7 million texas horse race the doctor purchased in 2022, two corporate jets and this yacht valued at an estimated $40 million. >> what would you have done with the $40 million? >> we would have beds for patients we would have stretchers, we would have food, diapers, staff. the most of all roads lead to staffing. >> reporter: in a statement, the spokesperson for dr. de la torre told cbs news he has done everything in his power to help steward overcome numerous headwinds and challenges and invested more into the company than he's taken out. >> and cbs news has learned dr. de la torre's already under criminal investigation. ♪♪ criminal investigation. a federal grand jury is hearing herbal essences is a force of nature.
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pressure, nypd commissioner edward caban, the first casualty in a series of federal corruption investigations rocking the administration of democratic mayor eric adams. >> edward caban, he concluded that this is the best decision at this time. >> reporter: caban's resignation comes days after real trouble. federal agents raided his home and seized his cell phone. why is unclear. cbs new york sources report the feds are probing possible corruption in the city's nightclub enforcement. they also seized the phone of commissioner caban's twin brother james caban who owns a nightclub security business. their focus, whether james caban worked as a fixer for nightclubs and restaurants to skirt city regulations with special treatment by nypd cops. four separate federal criminal investigations including raids and cell phone seizures target high ranking officials in america's largest city. all of them for now have their
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jobs. caban is out, he says to avoid being a distration for the police department. but the chaos keeps climbing toward mayor eric adams, a former cop. he defended himself last week. >> why do they keep targeting you and members of your administration? it is like a constant drip, drip, drip. >> those are questions i can't answer. i'm going to -- i know what i'm going to do and that is information that is needed, to show that i have always followed the law. we're going to give that information. >> reporter: at this point, no one has been charged with anything. lawyers for both caban brothers say their clients did nothing wrong. >> that was mark strassmann reporting. stay with us. stay with us. "cbs n(subdued music) (phone ringing) - pick up. joe, pick up the phone. (door thudding) open up, man.
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set a candidate apart from the pack. and that's why it's been part of the american political landscape since day one, says university of michigan music history professor mark clay. how far back does the music go? >> john adams and thomas jefferson. really predates the time when we had broad popular elections, when it was the electoral college. music was still a part of the discourse and it was a way to bring passion into politics. ♪ say fight ♪ >> reporter: talk about passion, the 2024 election has become a battle of the bands, starting with kid rock at the rnc in july. ♪ say trump, trump ♪ >> my name is dj cassidy. are you ready? ♪ >> reporter: a few weeks later, the democrats turned their roll call into a dance party. ♪ a catchy song can be a campaign's calling card, a free
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ad that plays indefinitely. ♪ don't stop thinking about tomorrow ♪ >> reporter: take bill clinton with fleetwood mac's "don't stop." ♪ proud to be an american where at least i know i'm free ♪ >> reporter: or ronald reagan with lee greenwood's "god bless the usa." ♪ god bless the usa ♪ >> reporter: that song took on special meaning in the days after 9/11. ♪ i gladly stand up next to you ♪ >> reporter: and greenwood says he wrote it for all americans. ♪ there ain't no doubt i love this land god bless the usa ♪ >> reporter: now initially you % didn't want it to be tied to any political campaign. >> no. no. >> reporter: why not? >> that bothered me at first. the democratic party called me in 1984 and wanted me to perform "usa" at their convention in san francisco and i said, no, i
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declined. the republicans also called me for their convention in dallas. i also declined. >> reporter: but when president reagan asked him to sing it in 1988, he did. and it since has become a republican anthem. >> is there any doubt who is going to be the next president of the united states? >> reporter: he also sang it at the rnc this summer. ♪ i'm proud to be an american where at least i know i'm free ♪ >> reporter: if a democrat asked you if they could use your song, would you let them? >> if that question came, i would have to consider that. this is the fourth or fifth republican president i've sang for, but i sang for ten presidents, including president obama and clinton and carter and nixon and bush. and so if another president on the democratic party wants to use "god bless usa," i don't know that would be wise, but i would have to consider that. ♪ >> reporter: vice president kamala harris has her own musician friends. most notably beyonce who aloud harris to use the song "freedom"
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in her campaign. ♪ freedom, freedom i can't move ♪ >> reporter: what happens when a musician doesn't want their music used? dozens have said no to the trump campaign. from abba -- ♪ you can't always get what you want ♪ >> reporter: to the rolling stones. the isaac hayes family objected to the use of "hold on i'm coming" and last week a judge in atlanta granted a preliminary injunction barring them from using it. ♪ wherever you are ♪ >> reporter: and celine dion pushed back when the campaign used the "titanic" movie theme "my heart will go on," saying, really, that song? so if musicians have a problem with a candidate using their music, you're the guy they come to? >> i hope so. >> reporter: lawrence iser is a music copy right attorney in los angeles. who successfully sued john mccain's campaign over the use
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of jackson brown's "running on empty." >> they were told not to use it, but they continue to use it, then that's actually copy right infringement and it is actionable and it is actionable in federal court. >> reporter: so you can sue? >> so you can sue. so, if you are a political candidate, those candidates need to respect the constitutional right of a musician or a songwriter to just say no to the use of their song in the political campaign. >> reporter: after all, music may not change voters' minds -- >> it is having that chorus that sort of sticks in your brain that doesn't let you forget it. and so that's part of music's power in a way that a stump speech is never going to pull of >> that was
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