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pitches to voters and keep constituencies. with their debate in the rearview mirror, former president trump and vice president harris can now focus on touting their campaign policies. on everything that no taxes on overtime, his, to a $25,000 credit for first-time home buyers, hers. donald trump is putting migrants >> springfield was this beautiful town and now they're going through hell. it's a sad thing. not going to happen with me, i can tell you right now. >> he is right about the troubled times in the ohio town, but not about the false right wing conspiracies regarding haitian migrants. we'll talk to trump's running mate, senator j.d. vance, as well as harris campaign surgery it, maryland governor, wes moore. from tax cuts to credits, we'll get a reality check on economic proposals from both candidates that sound too good to be true from trump's former white house

economic adviser, gary cohn. we'll also check in with election law expert david becker get the latest on foreig influence campaigns and the growing impact of conspiracy theories from cybersecurity expert and analyst chris krebs. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." we have a lot to get to this morning, and we begin with republican vice presidential nominee senator j.d. vance of ohio. welcome back to "face the nation." >> thanks, margaret. good morning. >> senator, we heard from donald trump this week that he wants to end all taxes on overtime pay for workers. how would this exemption work?

would this mean someone working a 40-hour workweek would then not pay payroll taxes and not pay income taxes? >> well, that's exactly how he envisions it, of course. we're talking about hourly workers, and of course when you work overtime in this country beyond 40 hours, you get time and a half. the president is saying if you're one of those select hard workers that's busting your rear end to try to make good in kamala harris' economy, then you should get a tax cut. and i think it fits fully with his entire tax agenda, we want american workers to get tax cuts under president trump's policy and penalize companies that are shipping jobs overseas through tariffs. and kamala harris' tax policies are the inversion of that, she wants to reward companies for shipping jobs overseas. so it is a stark contrast between the agenda of donald trump and of kamala harris. >> just to follow up, you said penalize companies who ship jobs overseas. so your tariff policy would only apply to those companies who are shipping jobs overseas?

>> almost by definition, margaret, when you apply a tariff what you're really doing is applying to penalty to somebody who manufactures or makes something overseas and basically charging them a penalty to bring it back into our country. what we're trying to do with the tariffs is induce more people to make more things in the united states of america. one of the great tragedies of not just kamala harris' leadership, but 40 years of american failure, is that we've lost our critical manufacturing industries to mexico, to china. we started to undo that for four years under donald trump's leadership, but we've got to do it for much longer and in a much more intense way, because as we've learned, just in the last few days, the world has gotten more dangerous, we can't rely on other people to make the stuff we need. >> it's cheaper to manufacture overseas, which is why so many companies do it. but that's another issue. just to follow up on the promise you're making to working class voters, you are now saying no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on income from social security. all of that would wipe out a big

chunk of the tax base. do you think that fiscally conservative republicans in congress are going to vote for this? >> i think obviously republicans believe american workers should keep more of their own money, and, yes, i think if we actually balance this out by penalizing some of these companies for manufacturing overseas, i do think that we can get this to balance out in the right way, margaret, where we're not blowing a hole in the deficit, we're giving workers more of their money. to your point, we're actually making it easier to make things in the united states of america. you're exactly right, sometimes it is a little bit cheaper to manufacture overseas, but we have to ask why that is. it's because a lot of these foreign countries use literal slave labor in manufacturing. we should not be allowing slave laborers to benefit from american markets. if you want access to our market, you've got to pay our workers fair wages. that is the trump agenda and something he already implemented once, by the way, margaret, but is going to double down on in his second term. >> the 10% to 60% tariffs, you're saying this is just a range and you'll figure out exactly who it applies to if you

win the election? >> i think you have to take some recognition, margaret, that this is a negotiating tactic. you go into some negotiations and sometimes you're going to have to do higher tariffs, sometimes you might be able to do lower tariffs. i don't think you go in saying you're going to do exactly this on every country. you use that as part of the negotiation. this is one thing that donald trump was so good at during his first term is actually negotiating with foreign countries and benefiting american workers in the process. if you say you're not going to do any tariffs, you're basically going into these trade negotiations completely unilaterally disarmed. you don't want somebody negotiating for american workers who is already saying i'm not going to use the most important tool, which is exactly what kamala harris has done. >> harris and biden have used tariffs in strategic ways on strategic industries and it sounds like you're saying you'll also be strategic. you represent ohio here in washington and your state's governor is asking for federal help to deal with the influx of about 15,000 migrant over the

past four years, which has strained the health system, he says schools, caused safety issues. you've been talking about these problems, but what have you done to help governor dewine with his request for federal help? >> well, the most important thing that we can do to assist governor dewine and the whole state of ohio, and, frankly, the whole country, margaret, is to stop kamala harris' open border. for two years i've been fighting for policies that do exactly that. you have to ask yourself, why have these 20,000 haitian migrants been dropped into a small ohio town in just a few years, margaret, and the answer is because kamala harris implemented what's called temporary protective service for over 100,000 haitian migrants. she basically, with a magic wand, granted amnesty to thousands of people who shouldn't have been in this country, and now a small ohio town is dealing with the consequences. and to anybody listening, margaret, this is what kamala harris wants to do to every town in this country.

overwhelm them with migration, stress their budgets, see communicable diseases on the rise. what is happening in springfield is coming to every town and city in this country if kamala harris' open border policies are allowed to continue. we've got to stop this. american citizens are suffering because of what she's done. >> here is a fact. here is the facts, though. many of those haitian migrants moved there by choice because they have temporary protected status, which gives them the ability to work. that tps, temporary protective status, has been in place since 2010, and, in fact, donald trump renewed temporary protective status for haitians when he was president. should he not have done that? >> well, let me do a little fact check, mark receipt, because there was a renewal in june of 2017, i believe, which is very early in donald trump's presidency, and he actually ended it in 2018, that temporary protective service for haitian migrants. >> he regrets having -- >> kamala harris renewed it when she became vice president. kamala harris re-implemented it

as the vice president, and now you've seen this massive explosion just in the last few years. i mean, margaret, just to give some context, there were maybe 1,000 haitian migrants in springfield, ohio, just three years ago. now there's close to 20,000. and it's impossible to overstate it's overwhelmed local services and schools. you have 1,000 children now in a small district. >> you want to end temporary protection? >> 1,000 children who don't speak english, and now the kids who are in that school district are not getting a good education. the local health services have become overwhelmed. this is a terrible tragedy. and i think it's important to say we're not mad at haitian migrants for wanting to have a better life. we're angry at kamala harris for letting this happen to a small ohio town. >> governor dewine has been calling attention to it and asking for federal help. on september 9th, you amplified what you said yourself were rumors about haitian migrants eating pets. donald trump then claimed those were facts and he repeated them to 67 million people on the

debate stage this past week. in springfield yesterday, two hospitals went into lockdown after police were alerted to a bomb threat. on friday, two elementary schools, one middle school were evacuated. thursday, an elementary school was also evacuated, and springfield city hall had to evacuate due to a bomb threat made by someone who said they were concerned about immigration. these false claims are endangering your constituents. do you regret your words? >> margaret, first of all, we condemn all violence and condemn all threats of violence. i want whoever made these threats to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. but we don't believe in hecklers in this country. you can condemn violence on the one hand, while also saying there have been terrible problems caused by kamala harris' open border in springfield. now, you said that these are false rumors. well, i've heard about a dozen things from my constituents in springfield, ohio. ten of them are verifiable and confirmable. a couple of them we have direct firsthand accounts of, for

example, migrants abducting geese at the local park and slaughtering them and eating them. now, maybe all of these constituents are lying to me. but i would appreciate it if the american media showed up and did some real investigation rather than amplifying the worst people in the world. why is somebody calling in a bomb threat? because they want attention. we should ignore the them and focus on the fact that we have a vice president that's not protecting that town. >> cbs did hear from people who worked with migrants and they have talked about security concerns. i know the mayor, a republican, told abc news, we've been punched in a way we should not have been punched. he said all these federal politicians that have negatively spun our city, they need to know they're hurting our city, and it was their words who did it. your words, sir. do you regret them? >> margaret, we've been hearing

about these problems for months, even in some cases for years. and the problem here is not that donald trump and i have called out what's happened to springfield. >> no, i have talked about the problems and cited governor dewine saying they're legitimate problems. i'm not asking about that. we have documented that. i'm asking about your words, sir, which you are responsible for. >> but, margaret, you only documented it after donald trump called attention to it. and so, look, with all respect to the springfield mayor, we've heard from many people in his town who are grateful, margaret, for the fact that we are now talking about these problems and trying to solve them. we don't want anything bad to happen to springfield, but the worst thing that's happened to springfield in the last 20 years is that kamala harris allowed 20,000 migrants to be dropped on the front door with no plan to assimilate them, no plan to care for them, no plan to help the residents deal with the massive strain on social services. look, i talked to a lot of people in springfield.

people are frustrated with the national media attention, some people are also grateful that finally someone is paying attention to what's going on. you're never going to get this stuff perfect, margaret. but that's why kamala harris shouldn't have done this in the first place. these people are suffering because she didn't do her job. >> again, the springfield mayor is a republican, that's who i was quoting to you. yesterday you posted a video, the origins of which cbs cannot confirm, claiming africans are grilling cats in dayton. haiti is not africa, dayton is not springfield. but putting all that aside, what is your intent in furthering the focus on these people? you're not talking about how to surge federal funds to help with safety, hospitals and schools. you're talking about this. >> margaret, is your argument really that it's a huge difference if migrants are grilling cats 20 miles away from springfield rather than downtown springfield? and would it change if the video was 20 miles closer to where

these things allegedly occurred? my point here is that the american media ignores these stories. everybody who has dealt with a large influx of migration knows that sometimes there are cultural practices that seem very far out there to a lot of americans. are we not allowed to talk about this in the united states of america, margaret, because the american media is more interested in fact checking innocent people who are begging for relief than they are in investigating some of these claims? i'm going to talk about what my constituents are sending me. that video was actually filmed by a constituent. that video was filmed by a person who is worried about what's going on in these communities. i'm going to talk about it because that's what i need to do as a united states senator for ohio, to represent ohio, and actually make sure the people's concerns get their voice. >> again, as a representative of ohio, these are officials from ohio, including the dayton police chief, who said that there's no evidence of what you just claimed as being verifiable

or true. cbs confirmed, we were able to confirm this video, and it was of the proud boys marching through springfield yesterday. we know hate groups have been amplifying the concerns about haitians for weeks. what exactly -- what constituency are you trying to appeal to here by putting this at the center of the conversation? >> margaret, first of all, whatever a local mayor said about this case, i'm hearing from dozens of constituents who are concerned about these issues. they are allowed to be concerned about these issues. and i think it's shameful how the american media ignores them. you mentioned the proud boys march. i imagine that's the clip i saw yesterday of about a dozen people marching down the street. of course, i don't align myself with the views of the proud boys, margaret. but we have to remember that this is a real problem. the media is using things like a dozen marchers to ignore and distract from the fact that, thanks to kamala harris' open borders, there are children who aren't getting a good education,

thanks to her open border, there is a rise in hiv cases in springfield, ohio. thanks to her open border, murders are up 81% in springfield, ohio. i am much more concerned about the vice president of the united states failing to do her job than i am that a dozen people carried the wrong flag marching in springfield, ohio, yesterday. let's focus on the real problem, that's the vice president of the united states not doing her job. >> senator j.d. vance, so much more to talk to you about. we have to leave it there today. i know you're pressed for time. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us.

and we're joined now by democratic governor wes moore, a member of the harris campaign's national advisory board. governor, i have a lot to get to with you, but i want to start with where we left the conversation with the senator from ohio, j.d. vance. he argues that talking about this strain on the local community from migrant populations should not be

dismissed as racist by the harris campaign and should be discussed on its merits. what do you make of the continued push to focus the conversation here? >> well, i mean, there's a remarkable amount of not just inaccuracies but dog whistling that we heard from that. but all of the things that are problematic with senator vance said, at the end of the interview, when he started talking about just some local elected official and what they have to say, these are people who are closest to the ground, these are the people closest to their constituents. these are public servants and partners, and in the case of the mayor, that's a republican saying that. that this isn't about politics and it's not about politicizing this issue. we know that to be able to address these issues, and particularly big complex issues like the border crisis that our nation continues to confront, we have to do it in partnership. and i think when you're hearing those kind of comments from someone who is aspiring to be

the vice president of the united states, i think for all of us, as local and statewide elected officials, it just gives a sense about how he views partnership and how he views the intelligence that's coming from us who are on the ground having to deal with these challenges. >> the governor of ohio, a republican, also, again, today said the claims being made there were not born out by fact. but he's also asking for federal help, with a very real strain from the migrant population. should the harris campaign talk about that more? should the federal government be doing more? >> yeah, well, the federal government, absolutely, needs to do more, as does congress. i think that's part of the reason why the frustration that we saw, when it came to things like the border deal, which was a bipartisan deal that we had both democrat and republican support for, one of the anchors and one of the authors was one of the most conservative people within congress, senator langford, and the deal was killed because donald trump said this was not going to be

advantageous to my campaign. the challenges we're seeing from donald trump and j.d. vance, is we're receiving political talking points, but we're not receiving actionable ideas to be able to address the issue. >> but i guess on the issue of empathy or understanding, should there be more recognition, not just we tried and it didn't get through up at the national level, but on the local, reach out to governor dewine and say i understand you have problems with your hospitals, with your safety, the languages. those things are real. >> they are real, and frankly, though conversations have happened. we've had conversations continuing for months with the white house, with the administration, about what we're seeing on the ground and about the supports that we need. so we know that we actually have an administration that is working in partnership with us, and in the case of vice president harris, we have a presidential candidate who actually uses the power of personal connection to be able to connect with us as state and local leaders. what we're seeing in the state of maryland, what other governors are seeing around the country and actually coming up with plans together to address this crisis. >> i want to ask you about the

harris campaign, because you are out campaigning for them, and there's a big push in the coming days to focus on black voters in particular. the naacp released a poll on friday that showed while black americans overwhelmingly identify as democrats, over one quarter of black men under 50 said they would support the republican candidate in this year's election. why do you think that younger male black voters are changing their association like this? >> i think there is -- especially for younger black men, there is a frustration, but it's not necessarily frustration with vice president harris and it's not frustration with the democratic party. frankly, it's a frustration of the pace of progress in america. i think about my state. in my state when i was inaugurated, we had an 8 to 1 ratio wealth gap. that's because of historical policies and circumstances. i'm the third african american ever elected governor in the history of the united states.

that's not because i'm only the third african american ever qualified to be a governor. so i think the thing that we continue to see, and frankly, i think that debate was actually a perfect illustration, where for many of us we grew up being told by our family members, you've got to work ten times as hard in order to get ahead, in order to get an opportunity. we saw donald trump walk on that debate stage uniquely and historically unprepared. because he thinks he can win on a whim. so i think the frustration that people feel is real, but i think the thing that we're continuing to push to a lot of voters, particularly african american voters, is that donald trump is a vessel to the skepticism, but what he is not is actually a vehicle for the solution. >> let me ask you about something on the debate stage that the vice president said. i know you served in the army and you deployed to afghanistan. during the debate, vice president harris said this -- >> as of today there is not one member of the united states

military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this century. >> that's false, that's alienating the military families. what was the intent? >> i think what the intent was was that this is not -- you know, counter to the convictions of the trump administration that somehow our world was safer under him or we had less people in conflict, that is just not true. but i think the really important thing to remember is that we do have people who are in harm's way every single day. we have soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, who are out there every single day with our flag on our shoulder and defending our freedoms and values. we have to make sure we're not just supporting them in their operations, but also making sure that we're supporting them when they come back home, make sure we're supporting their families. and, frankly, what we have seen from this administration where we saw an administration that

was able to pass things like the pact act to make sure we're addressing the people coming back from iraq and afghanistan, who were having burn pit exposure, that we have an administration focusing on things like being able to support a department of veterans affairs. and the thing we've heard recently, as recently as yesterday from senator vance, is that he wants to privatize the department of veterans affairs. we've got to support them not just while they're deployed, but also while they're coming home. and frankly, we have one campaign, the harris/walz campaign that has a vision for that. >> governor, thank you for your time today. we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us. (other money manag) you can't be that different. (fisher investments) we are. we have a team of specialists not only in investing, but also also in financial and estate planning and more. (other money manager) your clients rely on you for all that? (fisher investments) yes. and as a fiduciary, we always put their interests first. (other money manager) but you still sell commission -based products, right? (fisher investments) no. we have a simple management fee structured

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