i'm jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." i'm margaret brennan in washington. and this week on "face the nation," our cbs news polling shows new gains for vice president harris. but what about in those all-important battleground states? with six weeks to go until election day, voting is already underway in a handful of states and both sides are encouraging

supporters to get out and vote. >> take nothing for granted. you have to get out and vote. >> the election is basically here. and we have work to do. to energize, to organize, and to mobilize. >> but growing concerns of foreign interference in our elections continue to loom over both campaigns. we'll ask the top republican on the senate intelligence committee, florida's senator marco rubio about it. we'll also talk with an ally of vice president harris, colorado's governor, jared polis. then, after a second assassination attempt on former president trump at his golf club in florida, the scrutiny of the secret service intensifies. we'll talk to one of the democrats on the congressional task force investigating both cases, pennsylvania's christy houlihan. and escalating exchanges of fire between israel and hezbollah, just days after israel carried out a deadly attack on hezbollah by detonating thousands of pagers and walkie talkies.

is the risk of wider war in the middle east growing? the president of israel, isaac herzog, will join us. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to "face the nation." webegin today on the presidential race and our new cbs news poll, which finds vice president harris up four points nationwide over former president donald trump. with interest rates and gas prices on the decline, she's aided in part by some improvement in views of the economy. across the battleground states that will likely decide this election, harris is up by a slimmer margin of two points, so this remains a contest that either candidate can win. for more, we're joined now by our executive director of

election and surveys, anthoniy salvanto. anthony, this is a remarkable national poll, because to date the economy has been viewed as a headwind for democrats. that appears to be shifting. >> well, we saw a little bit of an uptick in voters' views of how the economy is doing. i should say right away, most people still think it's not good. but to the extent that it moves in a positive direction, here's how it connects to votes for harris. number one, she wins votes of people who think that the economy is getting better, even if it's not good. she wins the voters who say that their own finances are doing okay. she wins the votes of people who think that the economy itself is good. now, maybe all of that's not unexpected for anyone from an incumbent party. there's always been this kind of nature of the times dynamic here, where people who say things are bad, donald trump has been benefiting from that. especially people who say inflation is a top concern. so net/net, harris has cut into

donald trump's margin, still an advantage, among people who say that the economy is the top issue. is she ever going to eclipse that? maybe, maybe not. but the question politically is, can she do well enough to sustain this sort of very slight edge in what is, and i've got to sort of reiterate this, if i can, still a really close contest. because even when you look state by state, everything is razor tight. it can go either way. >> so, how much did the debate help? >> well, a little bit in terms of firming up support for harris, in the sense that on net, voters told us that it made them more likely to consider her as compared to trump, but the people who said that had voted for joe biden in 2020. they were already sort of democrats or liberals. so in the sense that she's still trying to kind of cement that biden electorate from 2020, that helps.

and i should add, quickly, look, donald trump's support isn't going anywhere. the question for him is, can he draw more voters to him, which doesn't look like it's happening just yet. >> so, immigration and the border crisis have been a prime area of attack by republicans on democrats. it really went back in the spotlight after the debate. >> we looked at whethe people thought that those claims about dogs and cats being eaten in springfield, ohio, were true. and by and large, the voting public says, no, they don't think those claims are true. as you know, they've been debunked. but for donald trump's voters, there are two-thirds who do think that that is true. those claims are true. that do approve of him making those claims. now, here's the difference. for them, for the donald trump voters, we ask, why do you think he made those claims? and their answer was, they think that he was trying to raise larger topics, raise larger

issues about immigration. that's something that we've seen before with trump's rhetoric. there was maybe the literal part of it, but also he was speaking to larger issues of concern to them. but juxtapose that about what the wider audience of voters thought. they disapproved him making the claims. they thought his intent was to make people who were recent immigrants feel uncomfortable. in those communities. so that's the difference, sort of butting up with this. when you look at donald trump's voters, remember that not only is immigration a big concern for them, but their perception of immigrants is very negative, frankly. it is, they think, immigrants commit more crimes. so that's been kind of underpinning a lot of that, and it speaks to that trump-voting base. >> which is why he revisits that theme, throughout. one of the other things that i know all of us have been tracking. you've been really trying to qua quantify is the risk of

political violence and the support for it in this country. it was just last sunday, there was this second attempt on donald trump's life. now, what do you think that indicates, if anything, about the months ahead? >> well, people think that the tone and tenor of our politics has gotten worse. ands there a substantial part of the electorate that does worry about political violence. and each side looks sort of across and says that they think that violence might increase, if the other side wins. and what's interesting about that is a lot of times, people talk about the worry, if one side or the other loses, but you also see this public conception of it as, would that give kind of license to the other side, if they were to come into power? all of which is to say, we do, unfortunately, see the public mind, the electorate, feeling like this is a cloud hanging over the election. >> a concerning one.

anthony salvanto, thank you. >> thank you. and we turn now to florida senator, marco rubio. the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee. and he joins us from miami. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning. >> so i have a lot to get to with you, but i want to focus in on what you and your committee have been told. i know u.s. splintelligence ande fbi said foreign actors are increasing their election interference as we get closer to november. this week, the senate is going to be briefed nin full on this. what is the scenario that is concerning to you? >> i think this is going to become a fact of life in the 21st century. it's very easy for anyone to do it. you don't have to be a big nation state. they're kind of all different. the russians are looking at, what are the pre-existing fractures in our country, and then they try to sow division, getting us to fight with one another. that's what we've seen them focused on. sowing messages out there, including with unauthentic

things that they create. you use ai, use a fake video. in the case of iran, that seems to be more specifically focused on donald trump. it's been now publicly documented that they're trying to kill him. if iran is trying to kill donald trump, they most certainly don't want him to win the election. that's what their efforts have been, including hack and leak operations and things of this nature. the chinese are new into this business or growing into this business. and they seem increasingly, at least in past cases that we've seen publicly disclosed, going after specific candidates that they view as being anti-china. i don't think they want donald trump to win, but i do think that you've seen them focus on things like congressional races in the past. and i think they're laying the groundwork for more expansive operations in the future, on influencing american public opinion on things like taiwan and what's happening in the south china sea and things of that nature. so there are multiple actors out there that are in the space now, and i think you'll see more in the years to come. because you don't really need to

build anything really expensive. you just need access to the world wide web. we're an open country, an open site, with open means of communication. and the best way to deal with all of this is awareness. people don't understand, everything you see on the internet isn't true. >> that's why we want to talk about it. microsoft's president testified before your committee, and as he put it, the most perilous time is the 48 hours right before the election. he described this as a race between not just trump and harris, but iran versus trump and russia versus harris. do you think the united states has gotten smarter in how it responds? and have we learned from what happened in 2016? >> what he alluded to are some instances in the past where some fake audio or fake video is generated using ai and it interferes with the election. a lot of the votes are already in by the time 48 hours comes around. so, that doesn't mean it's

irrelevant in very close races. it could tip the scales. i think all the way around, here's the bottom line, if you see something out there, a video that seems way too scandalous, i would pause for a second and make sure that it can be verified. that's my advice to everybody. is, don't just believe something you see for the first time. it may have been something that happened five years ago. and they're making it look like it happened yesterday. it may be something that hs been made up, using an ai mechanism to do so. and so, that would be my advice to people as well. again, i'm not saying 48 hours before the election is irrelevant in america. i am saying it's probably less impactful than it is in some of these other countries that don't have mail-in voting or early voting where so many of the votes are already in by then. >> the biden administration has issued sanctions, warnings, public disclosures. one of them this week was about iran right to hurt the trump campaign by hacking and stealing information and sending to it the biden campaign. this is similar to that hack and leak operation disclosed in

terms of trying to target journalists. and it was widely reported information about you, sir, was stolen and given to journalists. do you know what was stolen? >> no, but i doubt it's anything that you probably couldn't find with just a search online, past stories that have been written, and things of that nature. but i think you're going to see more of that in the years to come. and credit to the media outlets and so forth that didn't run everybody. i remind everybody back in 2016 when this first happened, i said, that's a foreign operation used targeting the clinton campaign. this is going to become one of those things -- i'm not saying we should be happy about it or accepting of it, but understanding that this is now ging to become a regular feature, not just of presidential races. presidential races get so much attention that i think that you can wade through some of that. it benefits from that, at least. but i think some of these lower ballot races are the ones that are particularly more susceptible. because if you're running for congress or senate somewhere, let's say a congressional seat and someone dumps something like

this on you, it's matchup harder to get the truth out there in time for it to be cleared up. there isn't going to be as much interest and as much people covering it. >> well, donald trump posted about the hack and leak operation, attributed to iran, but he said it was evidence that the fbi was spying on him and then blamed the vice president for spying on him. that is not at all the case. >> again, i don't know anything more than that's what's been publicly reported. but it doesn't surprise me that someone clicked on something, got into your system, stole documents, and tried to give it to the media. here's what we're going to see one day. it's not that they're going tyke it or give to a campaign, they'll give it to some online journalist who will run with this stuff, and begin to report it or alter it, make up a fake email, that looks like a real

email, but alter a few words in it and put it out there. and by the time you put out that fire, it's done damage. in a presidential race, everybody will cover that. and i think we can get to the truth a lot faster. in a down-ballot race, it's going to be a lot harder for some candidate to prove that that email is fake. and by then the election might be over. >> but it was the fbi that publicly exposed this as happening, not the fbi spying on the trump campaign. >> right. >> there are, when we talk about threats to mr. trump, it was just last sunday, there was a second near miss. there are fbi investigations underway into what happened here. but senator vance said he doesn't trust kamala harris's department of justice to really investigate this stuff. can you assure the american people that law enforcement is conducting a full and impartial investigation? >> i think people on the ground in law enforcement want to do so. what information is made

available to the american public, which deserves to know is behind not just one, but two assassination attempts of donald trump. multiple people in the federal bureau of investigation face charges or were fired for misconduct, in the way they handled issues about donald trump, just eight years ago. i think people are rightful to be suspicious and distrusting. that's why it's so damaging, for example, when 51 former intelligence officials sign a letter saying that a laptop of hunter biden is disinformation, then it turns out not to be true, and people illogically conclude, this is how it works. it undermines people's trust in our institutions. that is eroded in the media, and in our agencies within government. and unfortunately, that's why disclosure and openness with regards to these investigations is so critical. it's not just because we want to know, it's because it's important to preserve trust in our institutions. and we're seeing that, more on the second than the first, but we're not seeing it.

>> but yu trust the fbi and can assure the public that they are investigating these assassination attempts, that j.d. vance says they're not taking seriously? >> i trust the rank and file in the field fbi agents to do their job. i don't know what their leadership in some of these agencies and the middle of it will do with it. because you've seen a history in the past of there being bias. i hope that's not true. and more importantly, i think what the real question is, if, in fact, they do discover -- let's just say, i'm not saying that i know this to be true or that i think it's true. would they allow that information to be put out there to the american public before the election in november? i can't tell you with 100% certainty that there wouldn't be those within the agency. >> should they? >> yes, absolutely. i think that's an important factor for people to know. >> i wanted to ask you about whether you have heard or have any information in regard to a foreign nexus in regard to the bomb threats made in springfield, ohio? the governor of ohio said they had over 30 and he said that the

person who made the calls came from overseas. this was after trump and vance put the focus on haitian migrants in that town. >> yeah, only what's been reported publicly, but that would not be uncommon. for example, a lot of these calls where they call and tell a s.w.a.t. team to go to someone's house because there's a murder occurring, a lot of these come from overseas as well. unfortunately, that doesn't mean it's being directed by a government overseas. it could be, i haven't heard that, but just because they're coming from overseas means there's a government behind it, but we have these individuals all over the world that like to do these kind of things. >> here in this country, in terms of people being inspired to take action, we have been looking at what the perception of the publi is right now, particularly with some of the things that mr. trump and mr. vance say. our poll shows two-thirds of trump supporters believe those false and disparaging claims about haitian migrants are true. th governor of ohio has said that he is a big supporter of the ticket, but sad about this,

because there's no evidence of these claims. he's disparaging migrants who are legal, and the verbal attacks dilute and cloud what should be a winning argument for republicans about the border. do you agree with that kind of thing is a distraction from the broader point and dangerous? >> well, it should be a distraction. at a minimum, it shouldn't keep us from saying, okay, maybe i don't believe the dogs and the cats things, but there are, literally, people moving in by the thousands in springfield. in pennsylvania, that's a 4,000-person city that has 2,500 migrants. and i think one of the problems here is that somehow americans who are not intolerant, they're not bigots, but they are troubled by the fact that they're city is being flooded. and you're seeing reports of huge increases in traffic accidents leading to slower police response time. overcrowded schools. the strain this puts on a community. and if you complain about it, somehow you're a bigot, you're a racist, you're a hater. >> we've talked about those

legitimate -- >> americans are being made to feel like they're haters, because they're complaining about something any of us would complain. if any of us live in a city of 4,000 people and you bring in 2,500 migrants overnight into one place and there are going to be problems. that doesn't make you a bigot. >> there are absolutely problems that the governor has documented and we have talked about here, but it wasn't everyday people making those claims, it was the republican nominee and his vice president making those false claims about haitian migrants. >> well, those are claims that people in those communities made. maybe some have now recanted or moved aside from it, but that should not take us away from the fundamental truth. and that is, there are real impacts happening when you move people into communities, as has been done, by design, by an administration -- >> yes, witbut you know -- you' in leadership and you know words matter. >> one of the words that should matter the most is there is a real migratory crisis. there is a real migratory crisis, but even in this particular case, not just

springfield and charlroix, there are real impacts happening in this country with this mas migration and that has not gotten the coverage it has de deserved. the cats and dogs things has gotten way more conchverage tha the real-world issues. >> we will talk about that more on this program. senator marco rubio, thank you for joining us. we'll be back in a moment. >> thank you.

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seven rs, six ds that are looking into this particular event on july, but also the most recent one, as well. yes, we have been getting the answers that we've been asking for. we have been asking for quite a lot out of both secret service as well as local law enforcement. and i believe that the answers have been largely forthcoming, if for whatever reason they're not, the good thing about this particular group is that we have subpoena authority to be able to make sure that we get the answers. it's really important that this group works bipartisanly and quickly to be able to understand what happened. to be able to make sure it doesn't happen again. and to your conversation with senator rubio, to make sure that we restore the faith and trust with the american people in the institutions such as law enforcement and the congress. >> well, congresswoman, i know the secret service on friday publicly admitted some of the failures on their own part. it was a five-page summary, but the secret service said agents failed to use technology to

detect the attacker back in july, as he flew a drone over the rally. trump's detail had no idea police were looking for a suspicious person, until shots were fired. and they never directed local police to cover a nearby rooftop. do you trust the current leadership to address very serious issues like this? >> these are very, very serious issues. and they have come up in our conversations and in the briefings that we've received. and there were some enormous gaps that you've mentioned in terms of people texting information to each other, rather than using the radio, in terms of people not even knowing that there were two command centers. there were huge gaps. and there were also some gaps, frankly, in kind of culture and people being relatively lax in the way that they communicated with one another. and all of these things have to be fixed. i do believe that the attention of the organization is fully on all of the different things that they can and should be doing to be correct, to correct

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