i'm margaret brennan in washington. and this week on "face the nation" -- our cbs news polling shows new gains for vice president harris, but what about in the all-important battleground states? with six weeks to go until election day, voting is already under way in a handful of states and both sides are encouraging

supporters to get out and vote. >> take nothing for granted. you have to get out and vote. >> the election is basically here, and we have work to do to energize, to organize, and to mobilize. >> growing concerns of foreign interference in our elections continue to loom over both campaigns. we'll ask the top republican on the senate intelligence committee, florida's senator marco rubio, about it. we'll also talk with an ally of vice president harris, colorado's governor jared polis. then after a second assassination attempt on former president trump at his golf club in florida the scrutiny of the secret service intensifies. we'll talk to one of the democrats on the congressional task force investigating both cases, pennsylvania's chrissy houlahan. plus, escalating exchanges of fire between hezbollah and israel days after israel carried out a daring attack on hezbollah by detonating thousands of pagers and walkie-talkies. is the risk of wider war in the

middle east growing? the president of israel isaac herzog will join us it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we begin today on the presidential race in our new cbs news poll which finds vice president harris up four points nationwide on former president donald trump. with interest rates and gas prices on the decline she's aided in part by some improvement in views of the economy. across the battleground states that will likely decide this election, harris is up by a slimmer margin of 2 points. so this remains a contest that either candidate can win. for more we're joined now by our executive director of elections and surveys, anthony salvanto.

anthony, this is remarkable national poll because to date the economy has been viewed as a headwind for democrats. that appears to be shifting. >> well, we saw a little bit of an uptick in voters' views of how the economy is doing. i should say right away most people think it's not good, but to the extent it moves in a positive direction, here's how it connects to votes for harris. number one, she wins votes of people who think the economy is getting better even if it's not good. she wins the voters who say that their own finances are doing okay. she wins the votes of people who think the economy itself is good. now, maybe all that's not unexpected for anyone from an incumbent party. there is always been this kind of nature of the times dynamic here, where people who say things are bad, donald trump has been benefitting from that, especially people who say inflation is a top concern. so net-net, harris has cut into

donald trump's margin, still an advantage, among people who say the economy is the top issue. is she ever going to eclipse that? maybe, maybe not. but the question politically is, can she do well enough to sustain this slight edge in what is -- i got to sort of reit tight rate this if i can, a close contest. even when you look state by state everything is razor tight and can go either way. >> how much did the debate help? >> well a little bit in terms of firming up support for harris in the sense that on net, voters told us it made them more likely to consider her as compared to trump, but the people who said that, had voted for joe biden in 2020. they were already sort of democrats or liberals. so in the sense she's still trying to cement that biden electorate from 2020, that

helps. i should add quickly, donald trump's support isn't going anywhere. the question for him, can he draw more voters to him which doesn't look like it's happening just yet. >> so, immigration and the border crisis have been a prime area of attack by republicans on democrats. it really went back in the spotlight after the debate. >> we looked at whether people thought that those claims about dogs and cats being eaten in v springfield, ohio, by and large the voting public don't think those claims are true. they've been debunked. for donald trump's voters, there are two-thirds who do think that that is true, those claims are true, that do approve of him making those claims. now, here's the difference. for them, for the donald trump voters, we asked, why do you think he made those claims? their answer was, they think he was trying to raise larger topics, raise larger issues, about immigration.

that's something we've seen before with trump's rhetoric. they -- maybe the literal part of it but also what they think is speaking to larger issues of concern to them. but, juxtapose that against what the wider audience of voters thought, they disapprove of him making the claims, they thought his intent was to make people who were recent immigrants feel uncomfortable in those communities. that's the difference because, to button up with this, when you look at donald trump's voters remember not only is immigration a big concern for them but their perception of immigrants is negative, frankly. it is they think immigrants commit more crimes, so that's kind of underpinning a lot of that, and it speaks to that trump voting base. >> which is why he revisits that theme throughout. one of the other things that i know all of us have been tracking, you've been really trying to quantify, is the risk of political violence and the

support for it in this country. it was just last sunday there was a second attempt on donald trump's life. now, what do you think that indicates, if anything, about the months ahead? >> well, people think that the tone and tenor of our politics has gotten worse and there s a substantial part of the electorate that does worry about political violence, and each side looks sort of across and says that they think violence might increase if the other side wins. and what's interesting about that is a lot of times people talk about the worry if one side or the other loses, but you also see this public conception of it as would that give kind of license to the other side if they were to come into power. all of which is to say, we do, unfortunately, see the public mind, the electorate, feeling like this is a cloud hanging over the election. >> a concerning one. anthony salvanto, thank you.

>> thank you. we turn to florida senator marco rubio, the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee, and he joins us from miami. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning. >> so i have a lot to get to with you, but i want to focus in on what you and your committee have been told. i know u.s. intelligence and the fbi said foreign actors are increasing their election interference as we get closer to november. this week the senate is going to be briefed in full on this. what is the scenario that is concerning to you? >> well, i think it's going to become a fact of life in the 21st century. it's easy now for anyone to do it. you don't have to be a big nation state. the russians are looking at what are the preexisting fractures in our country and sow divisions getting us to fight with one another. that's primarily what we've seen them focused on. sowing messages in there, inauthentic things they create.

use ai, make a fake video, to get americans to fight against each other. in the case of iran, iran has -- it seems to be more specifically focused on donald trump. i mean it's been publicly documented they're trying kill him, and if iran is trying to kill donald trump they don't want him to win the election. so that's what their efforts have been, including attempted hack and leak operations and things of this nature. the chinese are really kind of new into this business or growing into this business of it. they eem increasingly in some at least past cases that we've seen publicly disclosed going after specific candidates that they view as being anti-china. i don't think they want donald trump to win, but i do think you've seen them focus on things like congressional races in the past. i also think they're laying the groundwork for more expansive operations in the future on influencing american public opinion on taiwan and what's happening in the south china sea and things of that nature. so there are multiple actors out there that are until space now, and i think you will see more in the years to come. you don't really need to build anything really expensive.

you need access to the worldwide web and we're an open country, open society with open means of communication. the best way to deal with all this is for awareness. people to understand everything you see on the internet isn't true. >> exactly. that's why we want to talk about it. microsoft's president testified before your committee and as he put it the most perilous time is the 48 hours right before the election. he described this as a race between not just trump and harris, but iran versus trump, and russia versus harris. do you think the united states has gotten smarter in how it responds and have we learned from what happened in 2016? >> yeah. what he alluded to are instances in the past where fake audio or video generated using ai is put out there and influences the election 48 hours. i think we're a little bit insulated from that, not that we should let our guard down, but a lot of the votes are already in by the time 48 hours comes around. so that doesn't mean it's irrelevant in very close races.

it could tip the scales. all the way around, the bottom line, if you see something out there, a video that seems way too scandalous, i would pause for a second and make sure it can be verified. that's my advice to everybody. is don't just believe something you see for the first time. it may have been something that happened five years ago and making it look like it happened yesterday. it may be something that has been made up using an ai mechanism to do so. and so that would be my advice to people as well. i'm not saying 48 hours before the election is irrelevant in america. i am saying it's less impactful than other countries who don't have mail voting, early voting, so many of the votes are already in by then. >> the biden administration has issued sanctions, warnings, these public disclosures, one of them this week was about iran trying to hurt the trump campaign by hacking and stealing information and then sending it to the biden campaign. this was similar to that hack and leak operation disclosed in terms of trying to target journalists.

and i know it was widely reported information about you, sir, was stolen and given to journalists. do you know what was stolen? >> no. but i doubt it's anything you probably couldn't find with, you know, just a search online of past stories that have been written and things of that nature. look, i think you're going to see more of that in the years to come, and i don't think the -- credit to the media outlets and so forth, i remind that didn't run with it, everybody in 2016 when this happened, i said that was a foreign operation targeting the clinton campaign. this is going to become one of those things that is -- i'm not saying we should be happy or accepting of it, but be understanding this is not just going to become a regular feture of presidential races, they get so much attention you can wade through some of that the benefits of that, but the lower ballot races are the ones particularly more susceptible. if you're running for congress or senate somewhere, let's say a congressional seat and someone dumps something like this on you

it's harder to get the truth out there in time for it to be cleared up. there isn't going to be as much interest or as much people covering it. >> donald trump posted about the hack and leak operation attributed to iran, but he said it was evidence that the fbi was spying on him and then blamed the vice president for spying on him. that is not at all the case. >> no. well again, i don't know anything more than what's been publicly reported when it comes to the hack and leak operation. perhaps we'll know more this week. but again, it doesn't surprise me that someone, you know, clicked on something, got into your system, stole documents and then try to give it to the media. here's what we're going to see one day. not just that they're going to take it and give it to a campaign or the media, but give it to some online journalist who will return with the stuff and begin to report on it or alter it. for example, make up a fake e-mail looks like a real e-mail, maybe it is a real e-mail, but

alter a few words and put it out there and by the time you put out that fire, you know, it's done damage. in a presidential race everybody will cover that and you can get to the truth a lot faster. in a down ballot race harder for some candidate to prove the e-mail is fake. by the time they do the election may be over. >> it was the fbi that publicly disclosed this with the intelligence committee as happening. not the fbi spying on the trump campaign. there are -- when we -- we want to talk about threats to mr. trump, it was just last sunday a second near miss. there are fbi investigations under way into what happened here. but senator vance said he doesn't trust kamala harris' department of justice to really investigate this stuff. can you assure the american people that law enforcement is conducting a full and impartial investigation? >> well, i think people on the ground in law enforcement want to do so. what information is made available to the american public, which deserves to know what is behind each one -- not

just one but two assassination attempts of donald trump that's where the lack of trust in institutions. multiple people in the federal bureau of investigation faced charges or fired for misconduct in the way they handled issues about donald trump just eight years ago. i think people are rightful to be suspicious and distrusting and that's why it's so damaging, for example, when 51 former intelligence officials, former, sign a letter saying a laptop of hunter biden is disinformation and then turns out to be true and then people conclude this is an example of how these agencies and our institutions work against candidates the don't like. it undermines people's trusts in our institutions. that lack of trust has eroded in government, in the media, our agencies within government, and unfortunately that's why people -- that's why disclosure and openness with regards to these investigations is so critical. it's not just because we want to know. it's because it's important to preserve trust in our institutions. we're not seeing that. more on the second than the first. but we're not seeing it. >> but you trust the fbi and can

assure the public they are investigating these assassination attempts that jd vance says they're not taking seriously? >> i trust rank and file in the field fbi agents to do their job. >> okay. >> i don't know what their leadership in some of these agencies on the mid level will do with it because you've seen a history in the past being biased. more importantly, i think what the real question is, if, in fact, they discover, let's say i'm speculating, not saying i know this to be true or think it to be true, but a foreign next u.s. to one of these attempts would they allow that information to be put out to the american public before the election in november? i can't tell you with 100% certainty there wouldn't be -- >> should they -- >> those within the agency -- yes. absolutely. that's an important factor for people to know. >> i wanted to ask you about whether you have heard or have any information in regard to a foreign nexus in regard to the bomb threats made in springfield, ohio. the governor of ohio said they had over 30, and he said the person who made the calls came

from overseas. this was after trump and vance put the focus on haitian migrants in that town. >> yeah. only what's been reported publicly. that would not be uncommon. for example, a lot of these calls where they call and tell the s.w.a.t. team to go to someone's house because there's a murderer occurring, a lot come from overseas as well. that doesn't mean it's being directed by a government. it could be. i haven't heard that. just because they're coming from overseas doesn't mean there's a government behind it. we have these individuals all over the world that like to do these kind of things. >> here in this country in terms of people being inspired to take action, we have been looking, as you heard, about what the perception of the public is right now, particularly with some of the things that mr. trump and mr. vance say. our polls show two-thirds of trump supporters believe the false and disparaging claims about haitian migrants are true. the governor of ohio has said he is a big supporter of the ticket, but he's sad about this because there's no evidence of

these claims. he's disparaging migrants who are legal and the verbal attacks dilute and cloud what should be a winning argument for republicans about the border. do you agree that this kind of thing is a distraction from the broader point and dangerous? >> what shouldn't be a distraction. it shouldn't keep us from saying maybe i don't believe the dogs and cats things, but there are people moving in by the thousands in springfield. in pennsylvania, that's a 4,000 person city that has 2500 migrants. i think one of the problems here is that somehow, americans, who are not intolerant, not bigots, but troubled by the fact that their city is being flooded. springfield, legitimate reports of huge increases in traffic accidents leading to slower police response times, overcrowded schools. the strain this puts on a community. if you complain about it somehow you're a big goth, racist, hater. >> we've talked about those

legitimate -- >> american made to feel like haters they are complaining about, any of us live in a city of 4,000 people, bring in 2500 migrants in one place there are problems and people complain. that doesn't make you a bigot. that should be what we're focused on. >> the governor has documented and we talked about here, but it wasn't everyday people making the claims, it was the republican nominee and his vice president making those false claims about haitians. >> those are claims that people -- those are claims that people in those communities made and maybe some have recanted or moved aside from it. that should not take us away from the fundamental truth and that is, there is -- there are real impacts happening when you move people into communities as has been done by design, by the biden administration. >> yes. >> people across the aboborder so forth. >> one of the words that should matter there is a real migratory crisis and even in this particular case, not just springfield, sharlaroy, other

places, there are real impacts happening in our country with this movement of mass migration and that's not gotten the coverage that it deserves. you say you've covered its. it hasn't gotten the coverage. the cats and dogs thing has gotten more coverage than the real world impact this is having. that needs to change and the way the issue is covered. >> we will talk about that more on this program, sir. senator marco rubio thank you for joining us. we'll be back in a moment. >> thank you.

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seven rs, six ds, looking into this particular event on july, but also the most recent one as well. yes, we have been getting the answers that we've been asking for. we have been asking for quite a lot out of both the secret service as well as local law enforcement and i believe that the answers have been largely forthcoming. if for whatever reason they're not the good thing about this group we have subpoena authority to be able to make sure we get the answers. it's important that this groups works partnershiply and quickly to understand what happened to make sure it doesn't happen again, and to your conversation with senator rubio, to make sure we restore the faith and trust with the american people in the institutions such as law enforcement and the congress. >> well, congresswoman, i know the secret service on friday publicly admitted some of the failures on their own part. it was a five-page summary, but the secret service said agents failed to use technology to detect the attacker back in july

as he flew a drone over the rally. trump's detail had no idea police were looking for a suspicious person until shots were fired and they never directed local police to cover a nearby rooftop. do you trust the current leadership to address very serious issues like this? >> these are very, very serious issues, and they have come up in our conversations and in the briefing that we've received. there were enormous gaffes of people texting information to each other, than in terms of the radio. people not knowing there were two command centers. huge gaps and gaps frankly in culture and people being relatively lacks in the way they communicated with one another. all of these things have to be fixed. i do believe that the attention of the organization is fully on all of the different things that they can and should be doing to be correct, to correct

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welcome back to "face the nation." we are continuing our conversation with pennsylvania congresswoman chrissy houlahan. congresswoman, just to button up this conversation about the secret service and political violence right now, our latest cbs