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next sunday, the doors of the cathedral of notre dame in paris will open to the public for the first time since april 2019 when a devastating fire nearly destroyed the great gothic church. two formal masses will be celebrated. and then as many as 40,000 visitors a day will begin streaming through. what they will see is something of a modern miracle. notre dame has been rebuilt and restored five years after world watched it burn. two weeks ago, we were given unique access inside the cathedral, as workers and artists applied the final touches.

many people deserve credit for the resurrection of notre dame, but none more than french president emmanuel macron. >> you made a promise the day after notre dame burned in 2019, and you said, quote, we will rebuild notre dame more beautiful than before, and i want it done in the next five years. did you have any doubts when you said that that that might be possible? >> if you have doubt, it's already over. >> someone we spoke to called it a moon shot moment. >> this was a sort of new frontier. when i announced, all the experts, a lot of people just made comments to say, he's crazy. >> so, what gave you the confidence while notre dame was still smoking? >> i saw these guys, these

firemen, i mean, just beyond their own capacities with such energy and commitment. and i think this is exactly -- this is, sort of, a metaphor of what our societies, and especially our democracies, need. make possible the unthinkable. >> we are proud of what we have done together. >> last year, president macron appointed philippe jost to lead the team restoring notre dame. two weeks ago, we met him just inside what was still an active construction zone. >> what words come to mind when you first walk in? >> the light. the light is very breathtaking. and the space. in this monument, there is a soul. and we feel that when we enter now. we feel it. >> to walk into notre dame today

is to see no sign of 2019. then, the cathedral's knave was littered with burnt wood and stone rubble, a gaping hole in the ceiling where the flaming spire crashed through. even when we visited in 2023, a dense forest of scaffolding remained. now it is open and airy. every stone shines. every stained glass window is polished. every masterpiece glows. all topped by a new spire and a new roof, replacing the utter destruction of five years ago. >> we had the vigor to rebuild. >> so, there was a gaping hole. >> a big hole where, when president macron said five years, we knew this point here was the most challenging space

of the restoration. >> philippe jost is now commander in chief of the restoration, philippe villeneuve remains its artistic director. chief architec since well before the fire, we saw him in 2023 supervising every detail and every artisan. >> you also told us that rebuilding notre dame was, in a way, rebuilding yourself after the fire. do you feel rebuilt now? yes, he told us. today, i can watch images of the fire, see the spire falling into the flames. that's something i couldn't watch before. last year, villeneuve supervised the construction of a new wooden

spire and its lead covering and designed a new rooster, a symbol of the french people, for its very peak. it was put in place last december. >> translator: when i saw the spire and the lead roof appear, villeneuve said, when we put the rooster and the cross in place, i felt that a wound had been closed. >> since more than eight centuries, it was here. it resisted to two world wars, so many battles and campaigns. the decision to rebuild notre dame was about our capacity to save, restore, sometimes reinvent what we are by preserving where we come from. this is a message of achievement. >> many of the achievements, like the new spire and roof, are massive. notre dame's huge bells were removed after the fire for cleaning and repair, then returned and tested a few weeks ago.

its organ with egg 8,000 pipes, the largest in france, was also removed, repaired and reinstalled. the day we were there, an organist filled the cathedral with thunderous, soaring sound. ♪ >> somehow, small achievements feel just as noteworthy. outside, workmen dangling on ropes to hammer wood into place and carefully cementing paving stones. inside, delicately applying wax to ancient wood, ensuring that every light bulb is lit and every floor polished. >> our job is mostly to bring back all the value of the painting. >> painting restorer diana

castillo has been working in the many small chapels of notre dame, where centuries ago murals were painted on stone walls and ceilings. >> we had a lot of work to clean them. >> diana shared photos and video of what the chapels' paintings looked like when she and her workers began work after the fire. cloudy and dim. and their appearance now after cleaning. >> so, we did one after another after another. and after we finished the cleaning process -- it was really almost one year. we were like, okay, now we can see the paint. now we can appreciate this and start the real -- the restoration. >> so, you were not just removing the soot from the fire, but you were removing the grime from centuries. >> exactly. exactly, exactly. from 1850 actually. many of them had never been

touched since 1850. so, 170 years. >> today the murals are gleaming. ceilings show starry nights of deep blue and gold. and stone columns that had been gray are now kaleidoscopes of color. >> and you have brought those colors back to life. >> absolutely, yes. and i'm sure many people will be shocked. it was very satisfying for us, of course. >> similar transformations are everywhere in the new notre dame. stone walls and ceilings that had been dark and gloomy seem to shine, and so do the many marble statues and decorative metal works. the workers and craftspeople who have pulled all this off are known as compagnons, and their work is celebrated on huge banners overlooking the river seine. >> we heard of something called the notre dame effect, which is young people being drawn to

traditional crafts and trades because of the work they're doing and seeing being done here at the cathedral. have you witnessed that? >> translator: it's true, philippe villeneuve told us, that notre dame was a formidable school for all the different crafts, carpenters, metal workers, stone carvers, painters. all these kinds of jobs were boosted by the restoration. >> i visited the site a few times. and each time what's dropping the most is the commitment and the you and the responsibility of the compagnons that i met. >> anne dias griffin was born in france and educated in the u.s., where she runs an investment firm. she has helped mobilize financial support in america to revitalize notre dame. >> why do you think this symbol of paris and of france inspires

here, but in the u.s. and around the world? >> notre dame symbolizes something universal, and that's something to be cherished. >> anne's contribution to the restoration effort was one of the largest from anyone in the u.s. >> the support from americans was just tremendous. there were over 45,000 donors who contributed funds to the cathedral for a sum of over $57 million. so, we should be incredibly proud of that. >> every penny of that has been needed. the total cost of restoring notre dame is nearing a billion dollars, including, philippe jost told us, for measures to prevent another tragedy. >> so, you have new fire detection, new fire suppression systems, that have all been installed? >> in the roof. >> so, that would prevent another catastrophe like this

from ever happening again. >> we have very confident it will not happen again. >> jost also expressed confidence that rebuilding the new notre dame using the old materials of wood and stone and lead will help it to last. >> it is 860 years old and we will restore it for 860 years. >> that will last another 860 years. >> another 860 years and perhaps more. >> architect philippe villeneuve championed the use of traditional materials, especially to build the towering new spire just as the old one had been constructed. but he let us in on a secret. there is one new touch up there. >> translator: i left a small mark of myself, he told us.

in one of the hooks of the new spire is my face with an admiring and affectionate look to represent all the compagnons who rebuilt the cathedral. >> president macron visited notre dame while we were there, while it was still buzzing with preparations for opening day. >> it's impressive and very moving to see the dozens of people working hard, philippe jost. >> and as notre dame's great doors reopen, might that spirit be even a little bit contagious? >> there's a lot of political division here in france, as there is in the united states. so, in this climate, how important is it to have a project like this that unifies rather than divides? >> that moment of unity and pride. and this is exactly what our nations need, especially in the times.

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smith island doesn't sit in the middle of chesapeake bay so much as it bobs there. time marches on, while the land recedes, turning to marsh, as sea levels rise, storms come fierce, and erosion unleashes its ground game. we talk often about what climate change does to far away continents, countries, and cities. but its impact in the u.s. might

be felt most sharply in a small coastal community, a maryland island struggling to survive, where crabs are plentiful, crime is non-existent, and the residents who trace their lineage and dialect back to the 1600s might be among this country's first climate refugees. >> not even 100 miles from the d.c. and baltimore, smith island is a tapestry of mud lands and creeks. water fowl outnumber people here. then again, the population having dwindled by more than half since the 1990s, hovers around 200. with no airport or bridge, everything, groceries, utility workers, doctors, even the pastor, comes by boat, 40 minutes from the mainland. life on the island must abide by mother nature's fickle nature, tides, winds. if the weather is bad, you're stuck. >> love people, love doing what i do, make cakes, crab cakes. >> so, it is that native smith

islanders, like mary ada marshall, persist on a combination of spine, heart, and guts. >> how do you characterize this place to people who have never been here? >> i have been here my entire life. i don't feel isolated, but people who come here sometimes, they feel like, i can't get off. i can't get to my car. we learned we're survivors. we learn how to adapt with the weather. it's like a big family. but let me tell you something, if you do wrong, everybody knows it too. >> here, the school bus floats. the ambulance flies. incomes are modest. this is part of the poorest county in maryland. the citizens live by an unwritten code based on personal morality. >> i'm wondering what role faith plays on smith island. >> big part. that's the government of our island. it really is. we don't really have government much. i mean, we don't have any law. we don't need it.

>> you don't have any crime. >> no crime. the speed limit is a golf cart. how fast can you go on a golf cart? and here i feel so safe. i do. i mean, i just feel like if i need anything that i can pick up my phone. and i don't care what anybody's doing, they'll come and say, what's the matter? what do you need? you have a lot of faith in the middle of this bay. >> the island was first chartered by captain john smith in 1608. today, most residents can draw a direct line to the first smith islanders to brave a life here, tyler, evans, marshall, the same last names adorning the withered gravestones on the mailboxes now. among those born and raised here, eddie somers and mark kitching. >> how far do your families go back? >> my grandmother kitching was originally an evans. and she goes way back.

>> 1785 on the tyler and evans part. somers came around 1870. >> here the past courses through the blood and also the brogue. linguists come to study the singular accent, part elizabethan english, part southern. >> what about the accent? >> i say, we're all here first. you're all screwed up. >> the accent is original. and so is the smith island backwards talk, saying the opposite of what you mean. it's about timing, tone, and it's best left to the locals. >> i walk off the boat and i say smith island isn't anything special, how does that get received? >> they'll tell you to get back on the boat. >> also, learning the lingo, shanon abbott, a newcomer from new jersey. >> i made the neighbors a casserole, i don't know, a few weeks ago.

and they said, that ain't fair. and i'm like, okay, that means it's good. >> how do you explain this place to people from south jersey? >> it's like that feeling when you were a kid like that. first day of summer vacation, and you're like, what am i going to do today? i'm going to go find bugs, make mud pies, whatever it is, stay out until the fire flies are out at night. that's what this place is to me. >> transports you back to being a girl. >> exactly. >> time has largely been frozen here for centuries. the economy and everything else on smith island was and based in, on, and around the waters. >> the sailors of chesapeake bay, who propelled only by sail, hunt the oysters. >> walter cronkite so romance in smith island and its watermen. that was in 1965. not much about this culture has changed since. same methods, same rhythms,

crabs in the summer, oysters in the winter. modern day watermen like mark kitching see the job, yes, as an income, but also as an inheritance. >> what do watermen mean to this community? >> going back -- you go back 75 years ago, that's all it was. there was no other thing but watermen. >> how many watermen now? >> we're down to about 20. >> by the turn of this century, fear surfaced that smith island might not last another century. better jobs on the mainland caused an exodus. there are now so few children, the island's only school recently closed. according to the army corp. of engineers, erosion eats away up to 12 feet of shoreline a year, and the bay is trespassing on homes, rising tides that don't lift boats. in 2013, concern about the island's bleak and vulnerable future, the state of maryland earmarked $1 million encouraging residents to relocate to the

mainland. the deal, we buy your property and tear down the buildings. >> the homes on them had to be demolished, and nothing could ever be built on them. and i said, that's the death of smith island. >> surprisingly, or maybe not, community has always outweighed money here. not one resident took the easy payout, and the state abandoned the plan. >> what was your reaction the first time you heard about the buyout offers that were coming from the government? >> you really want to know? i said, i ain't going nowhere. just like everybody else. >> still, the moment was the equivalent of a foghorn blowing, a warning, smith island needed saving. suddenly watermen and retirees were learning how to apply for grants and lobby state legislatures. and they've been strikingly successful, receiving more than $43 million for elevating roads,

building jetties, restoring buildings, and drawing in tourists. but the environmentalists and climate scientists we consulted worry that even smith island grit is no match for a rapidly changing environment. >> here we are, you know, getting to see a major thorough fair on smith island. >> hilary harp falk is the ceo of the chesapeake bay foundation. she lives in annapolis and travels all around the mid-atlantic, fighting to preserve the bay. but her work around smith island is personal. this is where she spent her childhood summers. >> these pelicans we see, you're saying these weren't here when you were a girl? >> no, these nesting pelicans have been moving north. they're summering now in more northern places. >> as a result of the changing climate. >> correct. >> how does the rising sea level here in chesapeake bay compare to other bodies of water? >> right now we're expecting in maryland to see an increase in

sea level rise by 1 to 2 feet by 2050 and more than 4 feet by 2100. >> for the record, that means the bay has the highest rate of sea level rise on the east coast. the water that has sustained places like smith island has now become a threat. >> explain why we have this high rate of sea level here. >> mostly because it's really low lying. i mean, we have that. we also are seeing issues of erosion as well as issues of subsidence. so, some of the land is actually sinking. >> some environmental scientists will say that smith islanders could be some of the first climate refugees in the country. >> i think we're seeing, with the projections, they could be right. >> what does that tell you about the people who did stay? >> if you ask them, it would be because this is home. and it would be asking someone to leave their home or their hometown, to leave whole histories. and i think when you spend time

here, there's a saying that you get mud between your toes. >> what does that mean? >> it means that smith island never leaves you, that you will always be connected to this place. and for those of us that have mud between our toes, i think we can understand what it means to not have smith island anymore. >> and it's not just an abstract concern. holland island, just ten miles north, was once bustling. but erosion came, people left, and now names on gravestones are the only indication of what once was. nevertheless, the smith island locals say grim projections have always been part of life here. >> when i was a little girl, they used to say, the island's sinking. this weren't yesterday. this has been a long time ago. well, fast forward 60, 70 years, we're still here, you know? >> besides, they pride themselves on adapting to meet challenges. mark kitching is using his boast to host ecotours around the

pelicans. mary ada marshall runs her business out of her kitchen, making smith island cakes. once baked by the island's women to sustain their husbands during the oyster harvest, these eight layer confections are now celebrated as the maryland state dessert. mary ada takes orders by phone and then ships her creation off island to just about anywhere. >> i did one for okinawa and one for iran. and it got there. and i don't take a cent until they get their cake and then they mail me a check. >> they don't pay in advance? >> i don't own a credit card machine or nothing, no. >> and it's not that the natives just won't give up. despite the sea level rise, there's been a real estate boom here. 20% of the homes on the island have changed hands in the past three years. a chance at affordable island life and optimism about the government's infrastructure

investment have led folks like shanon abbott to deny the warnings for a slice of smith island charm. >> does the isolation worry you at all? >> no, it doesn't. because back home, i'm just -- a street address. here, i'm shannon. moving here, i made a difference right away, just by moving here because we were having dinner with our neighbors. she said, it's so great just seeing the lights on. you know, because for years, it would just -- you know, they would see people move away and the house go dark. >> she and her husband paid $80,000 for this waterfront home they are now rebuilding. not just as a place to live out their days, but as a legacy. >> did you elevate this? >> we did. >> let's be clear, this is no weekend house. >> this is no weekend house. this is it. we have four kids, a grandson. and we're hoping that they will be able to bring their grandchildren and their grandchildren here. >> how do you reconcile hearing

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[ stopwatch ticking ] kate winslet was just 20 years old when she was plucked

from relative obscurity to star in "titanic." she's had her pick of lead roles ever since. film critics we spoke to compare her to greats like katharine hepburn and meryl streep. she has a propensity for playing angst-ridden women. and that's what she becomes in her film "lee" which she also produced about american film photographer lee miller. we met winslet lat month at the theater where she performed as a teenager and found her to be remarkably unhollywood. she drove herself to the interview, showed up alone, and dropped a few f bombs. >> the idea of going back on the stage still terrifies me. >> how do you get over the nerves? what do you tell yourself? >> honestly it's a whole bunch of mind [ bleep ]. it is even to this day. like anything, going for a job interview. absolutely terrifying if it's a job you really want, doubly terrifying.

>> on the first day you walk in and you think, everyone is in here thinking, why did they cast her? >> yeah, oh, my god -- >> you're an oscar winning actress. >> so what? when i was doing "lee," i would sit there and i would say, this is ridiculous. i could think of five other brilliant actresses who would play this much better than me, a lot better. and often i'll turn to a crew member and say, they should just mark my name off the list. i'm telling you, they didn't mean for me to be here. >> meryl is coming out of the back door now to take your role. >> come on in. delighted to have you. >> you must be lee miller. >> it's a war zone, colonel. just lee is fine. >> that role that caused kate winslet so much angst was for the movie, "lee." she didn't just star in it, she made it, her first as a producer.

>> how much time did you spend at this house? >> oh, my god. i mean, a lot of time across seven years. yeah. >> those years were spent at lee miller's estate in the english countryside, where she lived with her husband, a british painter. it's where, with the help of miller's son, winslet scoured the archives and decided to focus miller's life story not on her history as a model who had many lovers -- >> we don't hire older models. >> don't blow a gasket. i'm not a model anymore. >> -- but as a troubled woman who in her late 30s left her glamorous life to become a war photographer, capturing some of the most haunting images from world war ii, including some of the first uses of napalm and nazi concentration camps. winslet said she knew it wouldn't be an easy sell. >> tell me a little bit about what some of those phone calls were like. >> one investor said to me, why should i like this woman? she's drunk.

she's, like, loud. she's -- i mean, just stop short of saying, she has wrinkles on her face. >> you had a director say something like, i'll get your little lee funded. you want to share names now? >> no, that's not my vibe, no. no. but this director did say, if you will be in my film, i will help you get your little "lee" film made. and he was like this. i was like, might just have lost signal. >> she didn't make the movie with those men. instead, she insisted on bringing in a female director, coproducer, and writers. winslet was intimately involved in every step of production. as we saw during a scoring session last spring. >> kate. >> yeah? >> it doesn't feel too loud,

does it? >> well, it's funny -- >> okay, let's do it again. >> she also enlisted a historian to make an exact replica of miller's camera and really took pictures while she was acting. >> why did you feel like you had to learn this craft? >> it couldn't just be a prop. it needed to feel like an extension of my arms. i had to be confident and comfortable with it. and in order to do that, i had to know what i was doing. >> she spends months, even years, preparing for roles, inventing an elaborate back story for every character, down to what sport they played in school and how they feel about their mothers. >> you know me, i'm impulsive. >> she's learned to dig for fossils, make dresses, and free dive, holding her breath for more than 7 minutes for "avatar 2." >> and she's not afraid of being exposed. >> all right. make me invisible. >> because to see a kate winslet movie often means you'll see a lot of kate winslet.

>> let's see what happens. >> and then there's the accents. >> yeah, there she is. >> she won an emmy for mare of easttown, playing a beer swigging detective, nailing the specific sound of delaware county, a philadelphia suburb. >> she's probably lying at the bottom of the delaware river right now. >> why is philly so hard? >> it's actually the i sound in the philadelphia and the delco dialect that is really difficult. they don't say, that's nice. they say, that's nice. i like your bike. >> and though she may seem like someone with a shelf full of oscars, she won her first and only in 2009 for her portrayal of a nazi prison guard in "the reader." >> i want to take out a book. >> for years she kept the statue in her bathroom so guests could hold it up in the mirror and pretend to win. >> i used to get the bus into town a lot.

>> we went with winslet to redding, the working class town just outside london where she was born and raised. >> this is the house? >> this is the house. >> the front door boarded up, her family no longer lives here. >> i lived here until when i was 16 and i kind of left home when i was 16. >> winslet is the second of four children. her father was a struggling actor, who often gave his daughter the advice she still lives by. you're only as good as your last gig. >> he would, sort of, hop from job to job and he would do part-time work to make ends meet in the meantime. the thing that was interesting, i think, is that even though there was so little, as you can see, to go around, we were really happy. >> with financial help from a charity for actors, she enrolled in a local theater school when she was 11, catching the train into london for auditions. she says the scrutiny of her appearance started young.

>> you once had a drama teacher tell you, settle for the fat girl parts. >> oh, yeah. now, listen, kate, i'm telling you, darling, if you're going to look like this, you'll have to settle for the fat girl parts. i wasn't even fat. >> what did that do to your spirit? >> it made me think, i'll just show you. just quietly. it was like a, sort of, a quiet determination really. >> this grocery store was once the deli where 16-year-old winslet was working when she got the news that she'd landed her first movie. >> i was making a sandwich and the phone rang. and i swear to god, there was something about the way the phone rang. i was like, oh, my god. that's for me. i wonder if it's about the job. the owner was like, hey, phone's for you. oh, my god. so, i ran and i was told i had gotten this part. i was so unravelled i had to leave. i have to go home and tell mom and dad.

>> after filming that first movie, "heavenly creatures," winslet went right back to making sandwiches. >> that must have been a kind of what is going on in my world. >> that is what i knew. my dad would do jobs and go back to tarmacing the roads or working as a postal. that's what you do as an actor. if you're lucky, you get a job and you go back to a day job. >> at 20, she got the offer for the part that would make hollywood history. playing rose opposite leonardo dicaprio as jack in "titanic," the first film to break a billion dollars at the box office. winslet was game to discuss just about anything. but -- >> let's talk about "titanic." >> really? >> i was wondering what your reaction would be if i said that to you. >> no, i'm happy to talk about "titanic." >> i guess it wouldn't be an interview with you if we didn't talk about "titanic." >> it could be an interview without it. >> we tried to ask about the famous scene that has sparked

decades of debate. >> i'll never go, i promise. >> may i ask, true, leo really could have fit on the raft? >> do you know what? i have no idea. >> does it annoy you at all that 2 years later, this movie still comes up in this way and probably will for the rest of your life? >> no. i tell you what i do sometimes find just curious, i suppose, is whatever i say about "titanic" will often be the takeaway saying, well, there were those things i said about the film i was talking about. and yet that's the one thing. so, that's the only thing that sometimes i just think -- >> where to, miss? >> to the stars. >> while "titanic" made winslet a star, she says it came at a cost. paparazzi aggressively pursued her. and just listen to how she was

ridiculed for her weight. >> melted and poured into that dress. she just needed two sizes larger and it would have probably been okay. >> i gasped at how cruel some of that coverage was of you at that time. >> i know. absolutely appalling. what kind of a person must they be to do something like that to a young actress who's just trying to figure it out? >> did you ever get face to face with any of those people? >> i did get face to face -- >> what did you say? >> i let them have it. i said, i hope this haunts you. it was a great moment. it was a great moment because it wasn't just for me. it was for all those people who

were subjected to that level of harassment. it was horrific. it was really bad. >> now 49, winslet says she developed an armor that she brings to characters like lee miller. >> people say, oh, you're so brave for this role, you didn't wear any make-up. you know, you have wrinkles. do we say to the men, you were so brave for this role, you grew a beard. no, we don't. >> does that still happen to you? >> yes, it happens to me all the time. it's not brave. it's playing the part. >> is it true that a crew member came up to you and said you might want to, kind of, sit up a little bit, you're showing a lump? >> yeah. you might want to, kind of, just suck in, sit up. and i was, like -- >> you didn't. >> i don't think lee would have done. it's about knowing that lee's -- her ease with her physical self was hard, one. >> in hollywood you can have a lot of great lights so you don't

see the lump that we all have, the bumps we all have. you don't care about showing that? >> no, i don't, i don't. >> why not? >> its exhausting. >> when she's not filming, winslet lives far from the spotlight in a quiet seaside village. she and her husband have a 10-year-old son. she also has a 20-year-old son and 24-year-old daughter from previous marriages. winslet is not on social media and told us she doesn't read reviews of her work. but this much she knows. >> it's hard to make films about historical female figures. you know, typically those aren't films that would necessarily do well in the box office, says she sitting here proudly telling you her film has taken over 25 million so far, cha change, and we made a film about one woman. >> so there's not a sense of i told you so? >> no, i don't feel like that, but i just hope they have seen the film.

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leave no one behind. it's one of the cornerstones of the u.s. military. but when after 20 years american forces left afghanistan, in the eyes of many this sacred oath had been violated. countless afghans were suddenly abandoned, vulnerable to being killed by the taliban, the fundamentalist islamic militia that had retaken the country. back in the u.s. acting outside military channels, hundreds of groups of veterans and civilians formed overnight, hatching escape plans to help afghans

find passage to freedom. tonight the story of one network that outwitted the enemy and avoided a mass funeral by staging a mass wedding. >> this is not how america's longest war was drawn up to end. afghans fleeing the conquering taliban in august 2021, so desperate to get out they overwhelmed the kabul airport and clung to departing u.s. military planes. a last grasp at freedom. >> did it feel like defeat? >> it felt like defeat because technically it was a defeat. but it felt much more like leaving people behind personally. >> jason kander had served as an army intelligence officer in afghanistan, meeting thugs to glean information about other thugs, often accompanied only by his translator, salam rauffi.

>> to know there were people there that put their lives on the line for us, it felt like leaving a friend behind when you had promised them you wouldn't. >> home in kansas city, kander watched in shock as afghanistan fell. and immediately he reached out to his translator, salam, who is safe and out of the country. >> at some point i did say to him, you know, do you have anybody over there who's in danger, and he told me about his nephew in afghanistan. >> salam's nephew rahim was squarely in taliban cross hairs because he possessed critical documents from her work at the international bank. >> what makes him such a target? >> rahim has access to a list of tens of thousands of afghans who had worked directly with everybody from the u.n. to the u.s. embassy to any other multilateral just trying to build democracy in afghanistan. everything that the taliban stood against and everything that once the taliban took over, one of the first priorities was to find those people and make an

example of them by imprisoning them or killing them. >> did the taliban ever get their hands on the list? >> i never gave up. >> never gave up the list. >> never provide a single information. >> rahim rauffi's refusal to cooperate enraged the taliban. >> how were you threatened? >> we just received letters. >> the night letters were taliban edicts dropped under doors under the shroud of dark. one sent to the rauffi home in kabul read, your whole family is sentenced to death for betraying the islamic emirate, using the taliban's choice term for afghanistan. >> they mentioned they were going to kill me. >> you had to get out of there? >> yeah. >> for rahim and his clan of 12, his wife, their children, including triplets, his mom, his brothers, and nephew, sisters-in-law, hope for a passage to safety rested with a little league dad nine and a halftime zones ahead in kansas

city, missouri, jason kander. the two began exchanging encrypted text messages. >> he was the person who showed up for you in your worst time. >> but you'd never seen this guy? >> no. even i don't know how he looks like. >> my thinking was, how in the world can i go on with the rest of my life thinking maybe there was something else i could have done for rahim? >> yes another dynamic, after kander had been honorably discharged as an army captain, a political career took off. he was seen as a rising democratic party star and in 2016, kander nearly won a senate seat for missouri. then he stepped away from politics, citing his struggles with untreated ptsd, an unhappy legacy from afghanistan. >> and this didn't give you pause, maybe i shouldn't jump back in the fire. the very country where this ptsd took root, no less. >> ultimately i just made the decision that it didn't matter.

i would deal with it afterwards. and i made the decision, which i knew at the time was probably poor judgment to say to rahim, no matter how long it takes, we're going to get this done. i knew that i was biting off more than i could chew. >> and we're just trying to get our friends out of afghanistan. >> kander joined with other private citizens feverishly plotting to evacuate nearly 400 endangered afghans. that included solars, poets, doctors, and the roufys. >> the overarching plan initially is what? >> well, the overarching plan initially is, what the hell are we doing? that didn't work, let's try this. >> jason's wife, diana, became concerned her husband's desire to rescue the rauffi family might damage his own family. >> are you worried he may decide to go over there? >> yeah, he asked me for his -- he called me from the other room. he's like, hey, where's my passport? i was, like, zero chance you're

even getting access to your passport. >> you brought it up? >> we had ideas. they were all bad ideas, but we were also running out of ideas by that point. >> once the last american military plane departed afghanistan on august 30, 2021, the taliban controlled the kabul airport, choking off the most obvious escape route. kander and his ad hoc group ic directed the imperiled afghans to head to mazar-e-sharif. let's charter a plane, get it in there, and figure out somehow how to take all these people the taliban are looking for and stage them in one place and get them into the airport. >> the thinking at that moment, in the north of the country, the taliban wasn't quite as entrenched. for the rauffi family, the city of mazar-e-sharif was a drive from kabul, dotted with taliban check points.

>> is there not a feel that you are potentially sending this family of 12 to their death? >> yeah, it was a big fear. it was all i thought about. >> how do you reckon with that? >> i wasn't going to walk away. and it also seemed like if we weren't successful, that's what was going to happen anyway. part of it was rahim had to send me all the documents for the entire family. >> that included head shots of all 12 rauffis. >> so, at this point, living in my phone is pictures of these little girls. and for me, what i kept thinking about was, you know, my wife came here as a refugee at the age of eight from ukraine with her family. and when i looked at these little girls, that's when i saw -- i saw little diana. so, quitting wasn't an option,

failure wasn't an option. >> in the early of september 1, 2021, the rauffis began their convoy to mazar. a few minutes in -- >> suddenly the taliban came out in front of my car and they had gun in their hands. oh, my god. now you are done. they start searching us. >> taliban searching your car? >> taliban searched me and the driver. and they have the gun. and the kids are just -- they thought that they're going to shoot me or the driver. only because of my kids crying and shouting, they just released us. >> if your children are not crying in the car, which gets sympathy from the taliban, done. >> done. >> they finally rolled no mazar-e-sharif, afghanistan's fourth largest city. >> and now what? >> the refugees in mazar-e-sharif and myself and the people i was working with are engaged in solving a few problems, trying to.

one, how do we raise the money to get an airplane chartered to pick up close to 400 people. and also how do we make it so that the taliban doesn't know that we're doing this? >> the day after the rauffis arrived in mazar in september 2021, the taliban, in a show of strength, paraded in the center of town. the rauffis went underground for weeks, finding their own safe houses. one night, rahim surreptitiously took this video of a taliban roundup just across the street from where the family was hiding. as the rauffis dodged the taliban, half a world away, jason kander and his co-conspirators were hatching a hail mary plan of either genius or insanity. on september 21st, it was go time. >> i tell rahim, okay, today's the day. you're moving. >> he said one bag per person,

this is the location i'm sending you. you have a code word and it's bella. i said, bella? he said, yeah, my daughter's name. >> get ready, in the bag, code word bella. >> is it someone i should give this code? who should i give they didn't give me a name that you should go to that person. he just told me to go to this location. >> wait, wait, wait. so, you have a code but you don't know who to say -- you say the code to the wrong person -- >> if you say the code to the wrong person, then you're -- >> kander directed the rauffis to a wedding palace in mazar. there, rahim spotted a man with a beard, a turban, and a look of authority. >> he had a laptop. >> that was your clue? >> yeah. he asked, do you have anything? i said, bella. when i said bella, he opened his laptop. and he asked me for my last name. i said, rauffi. my heart was beating very fast. he said, 12 people? i said, yes. then he said, bring them. >> the rauffis were led to a

large hall inside the wedding palace. >> when they opened the door, i was shocked. i see that there are more people, there are women, men, kids, with their bags. >> just like you. hundreds and hundreds of people. >> yes, 370 or 380 people. >> do you recognize any of them? >> none of them. >> you don't know any of them? >> no one is talking weech other. just hi, hello salam, that's it. then i called jason. i said, brother, i am in the -- there are more people. then he told me, welcome to the wedding party. welcome to the wedding party. >> that's what he said. >> yeah. >> welcome to the wedding. >> is there a bride? >> no. >> a groom? >> nothing. >> music? >> nothing at all. >> i hope they fed you at least. >> very good. >> it was a fake wedding, a ruse to slip past the unsuspecting taliban and gather 383 afghans

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former army captain in kansas city, continued concocting the evacuation plan. through crowd funding and private donations kander and other orchestraters frantically raised money to charter a commercial plane that would whisk away the entire wedding party to albania, a weigh station until the afghans were granted clearance to enter the u.s. inside the wedding palace, rahim rauffi knew none of this. >> it was not clear for me what jason is doing. >> that's a lot of trust. >> it's just trust. >> when did you start to realize that things might be moving in a good direction? >> some people started receiving travel documents, like their boarding pass. >> how did you get your boarding pass? >> we just receive it through email. >> that? >> yes. >> that's your boarding pass. >> yeah, it's a boarding pass with my entire family names on it.

and it says, special flight. >> this doesn't look particularly official. this looks like an email from a law firm with some yearbook photos photo shopped. >> that's what the 380 people, they had only this. >> this, too, was the handiwork of the rescue team in america, in coordination with jason kander. >> explain these boarding passes, which look something less than official. >> so, the boarding passes, which were quite unofficial, only matter if there is a flight manifest document from the nation of albania. otherwise, they're just a piece of paper you're going to present and then go to prison. so, what was going to happen was the albanian government was going to send to the taliban a visa cleared flight manifest, a list of people that said, these are the people who we are expecting to have land in our country. now, what these people needed to do was present something that

had their pictures on it, their names, their date of birth, everything that would match up to that document. >> in other words, everything rested on the taliban, a group more known for executions than following international protocol. >> the really terrifying and lethal game of capture the flag that was trying to get someone out of afghanistan that moment in time worked like this. if the taliban finds you and you're someone they're looking for, they can do whatever they want. they run the country. if they do not find you until you have made it inside the airport and you are on a manifest for a flight that is visa cleared by another country, well, now if they imprison you or shoot you in the head, you are someone that was expected to land in another country, and now it's an international incident. >> it was finally time to test the taliban. buses arrived at the mazar-e-sharif airport filled with the 383 members of the wedding party. >> oh, my god. there was checkpoints. >> in the terminal and on the

tarmac, the taliban was everywhere. >> they were just coming and see. i was shaking. i was sweating. now what? now we are in front of the taliban. they were just looking for a single mistake. >> one little number -- >> one little number, misspelled name, or anything to stop you. if they stop you, then you are gone. >> from the gate, the rauffis could see their aircraft, this vessel to freedom, so tantalizingly close. >> are you thinking, this is the big gamble? this is either going to end terribly or i'm getting on that plane? >> it's a gambling. what do you have? what do you got? what will happen? but you just gamble your entire life. >> the bet paid off. astonishingly, the taliban

honored the homemade boarding passes and relented. the wedding party boarded the chartered plane. back in kansas city, jason kander followed the drama on a flight tracking app. >> there's zero points over afghanistan. and then finally they're on the plane and the transponder turns on and you see one little airplane turn on, on the runway in mazar-e-sharif. >> that's your plane? >> that was bella. that's our plane. >> after the plane soared safely out of afghan airspace, the champagne came out. the rescuers celebrated. the wedding party landed in albania and were bussed to a seaside resort. by sheer coincidence, a giant replica of the statue of liberty stands outside the front lobby. >> that was a very beautiful hotel, one of the hotels with an ocean view. when we arrived, i said wow. >> rahim rauffi recorded this video of his kids on the beach

addressing a guy they still hadn't met. >> thank you jason uncle. >> thank you jason uncle. >> they get to albania, obviously not the final destination. how long did you anticipate everybody being in albania for? >> so, what we had been told by people at the department of homeland security was that it would probably be a few weeks. and what happened is that weeks went by, and then somewhere i want to say two or three months after we got out, the state department made an announcement that anybody who got out after august 31st would not be part of operation allies welcome. and basically it was all code for you're on your own. if you got out this way, that's a private effort. we had nothing to do with it. and that was a big shock and a huge problem. >> a year passed. by the fall of 2022, the honeymoon long over, the wedding party was still stuck at the rafaelo resort in albania. >> maybe we are not going to be

accepted, then they will send us back. so, if they send us back, i am sure on the airport they will kill us. >> on top of that, private donations that had been covering the resort tab were running low. >> you've crossed the year mark. who's paying this hotel bill? >> there were some very generous donors who helped us over time. and the people who had helped me raise the money in the first place did a lot of work. and it's taken a toll on all of us, but i think now if you talk to any of us, we'd say it's the most important thing we've ever done. >> finally nearly two years into the wedding party's saga, emails arrived from the u.s. department of homeland security. the afghans had been approved officially to resettle in america. >> oh, my god. that was a big party. i just called jason and said, hey, we all got approved! >> emotional day. >> oh, i was, like, crying inside. yeah.

now you have a future. >> rahim rauffi had never been to america, but he knew exactly where he wanted to call home. as he put it to jason kander -- >> where do you live because i have no idea. wherever you live, i come to that state. >> in june of 2023, rahim rauffi and his family arrived in kansas city. jason kander and his family were there to greet them. >> i said, this is real life. he said, plenty of years. and i said, we did it. >> you've had this intense multi-year relationship with this family but you've never met them. when you finally see them in person, what is that like for you? >> it was, sort of, out of body experience. and to see my kids and the rauffi kids sitting on the floor playing and not needing any language, it really underlined for me what i had felt all along. there's really no difference

between these kids and my kids and they all deserve the same thing. and that was pretty special. >> today, rahim rauffi is back to working in accounts at a bank, this one in downtown kansas city, where his brothers serve as security guards. the rauffis and the kanders regularly get together for a traditional afghan meal, bella, included. for the distance that once divided them, they now live ten minutes apart. >> at midnight when i wake up, i'm taking, like, one or two minutes to think, is it real? >> still? >> still. is it real? i go into my kids' room and see them and check them. they are sleeping very comfortably. and the next day, they're going to school. >> afghanistan doesn't go down as a great u.s. military success.

do you feel like you got a "w" here? >> there was a point during this where somebody i was doing this with, we were talking, and one of us said, do you worry that maybe all we're trying to do is win the war we just lost? and yeah, i think there's a part of that for sure. but i want americans to know that every afghan that they meet did something heroic to get here. and when you first meet them, they might be in a job where you might not think about that. they might be bussing your table. they might be driving your uber. but these are some of the most industrious and resilient and incredible people you'll ever meet, and just would like every american to know that. [ stopwatch ticking ]

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