tv Face the Nation CBS December 9, 2024 2:00am-3:00am PST
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president macron and vladimir putin who was lobbying for more aid from the u.s. and nato allies in his country's war with russia. in a post on his truth social website this morning, mr. trump blamed assad's defeat on his allies saying russia lost all interest in syria because of ukraine and along with iran, russia is in a, quote, weakened state right now. trump called for an immediate cese-fire in ukraine saying zelenskyy and ukraine wanted to make a deal to stop the madness. we begin our coverage with our imtiaz tyab reporting from the turkish syrian border. >> scenes like this would have been unthinkable just one week ago. syrian rebels in the heart of da damascus celebrating the fall of the regime with bashar al assad unknown. as people wept for joy in the streets shouting freedom.
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some appeareden to state tv to announce assad's removal. his stunning defeat was at the hands of an alliance of armed groups who launched a lightening fast offensive seemingly out of nowhere. and who face little resistance from the syrian army. the rebel forces have quote fully liberated a number of cities and have also emptied prisons filled with those who dare to stand up against assad's rule during the country's 14-year civil war. a war that up until now had seemed frozen, even forgotten. but as the statutes and monuments to the assad dynasty continue to be pulled to the ground the families' blood soaked century of authoritarian rule passed from father to son is now over. ten years ago at the height of
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the civil war born out arab spring uprising, assad was thin just barely clinging to power. russia and iran with lebanon's militia came to his rescue. and tipped the war firmly in his favor through a punishing campaign of well documented war crimes. including indiscriminate air strikes and chemical weapons attacks. a brutality against his own people that's hard to fathom. but russia is now preoccupied with its war in ukraine. hezbollah's leadership decapitated after a year of bitter fighting with israel and iran and other proxies have been degraded by israel strikes. assad's rule looks unlikely to be rescued or resurrected
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ushering in an era for syria. peaceful transition of power but the vacuum left by bashar al assad is enormous and the fear these groups could turn on each other and begin a new, perhaps even darker chapter in this already ugly civil war. >> that's imtiaz tyab reporting from the turkish syrian border and joined by the chairman of the house intelligence committee ohio congressman mike turner. just a stunning turn of events within such a short period of time. the u.s. doesn't have diplomatic presence inside of syria. our visibility is limited here. what is it that you think
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americans need to know about this turn of events? >> there was an excellent report because you laid the groundwork this has been a brutal civil war with hundreds of thousands of people dying including the use of chemical weapons and, of course, reminding people the obama administration said this would be a red line we would use military force to stop the use of chemical weapons and failing to do so. this is a islamic militia that has continued and now is successfully toppling the assad regime as your reporting indicated al qaeda in its origins but opposes isis it is turkish backed. this is a blow to iran, a blow to russia. we're seeing what is likely a disintegration of syria the big questions what does this mean for the u.s. and what does it mean for iran, russia, the neighbors of israel and jordan which are strong allies of the united states. >> so you mentioned there and we showed the picture of abu mow
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ham mad al golani, the leader of hts the rebel group that appears to be taking control working with the prime minister also. the united states government has a $10 million bounty on the head of golani. do you think the united states still should keep that? should americans be concerned that this will mean something in terms of impact for terror threats to the united states? >> this is a terrorist organization and group not just a passing of power and authority. it could be. we'll have to watch that. one of the things that we do see here this is a diplomatic failure with respect to the united states and turkey. the u.s. has troops in syria. this is on the border of turkey. turkey is a nato ally. the united states is working with the kurds. this really could have been an opportunity for the united states to work to try to resolve the issue between the kurds, turkey and the united states in working with turkish interests in syria. hopefully this could be an
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opportunity where there could be a diplomatic support there that hopefully could help in this transition in syria. >> there are 900 u.s. troops in syria in the south. donald trump in 2019 pulled u.s. troops out of northern syria, abandoning our allies there. do you believe he will stand by the 900 u.s. troops that remain there or should he consider pulling them out when he takes office? >> one of the things donald trump will make clear is any threat to u.s. troops will be unbelievably responded to. everyone should understand the united states troops are to be secure. the second thing is, he does absolutely support thekurds. and that he's going to look for a diplomatic solution. i think there will be an assessment as to whether or not the troops should remain, but it's, you know, i think here there is an opportunity for the parties, especially now that iran and russia's roles are going to be diminished, they have been brutal in their support with assad. the hundreds of thousands of
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people including the use of chemical weapons killed have been under the russian influence there. russia still has two bases a naval and air force base there that are going to be both at risk for russia, but also a risk to the population of syria because they could -- they have been used before to attack the syrian population. we'll have to see what russia does there. but this is going to be an area that's going to be volatile in transition. >> no idea where bashar al assad fled to? >> not at this time. >> since we're talking about the incoming administration, donald trump has chosen tulsi gabbard, the former congresswoman, former democrat, now republican, to be the direct of national intelligence. overseeing 18 intelligence agencies. she not only went and met with assad, she publicly doubted, high confidence assessments by u.s. intelligence, that he did what we showed you pictures of him doing using chem km weapons there. do we trust she could represent
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the intelligence community lead it and be trusted to brief the commander in chief? >> i differ a great deal in a number of areas with her judgment and her background and experience. but what i do trust is the -- >> you're smiling when you're saying this -- >> the senate's process and i think the senators are going to put her through a process. she has been nominated. she will go through the process. i think there will be, you know, significant debate and evaluation. i think -- >> you don't think she will be confirmed. >> donald trump has put together in his last term and this term a great national security team. i think cia director ratcliffe, i think, you know, mike waltz as national security director are both great examples of people who are going to be foundational. i think you're going to see a great national security team. >> this is a community you have oversight of. sounds like she doesn't have your confidence. what about pete hegseth to run the pentagon at a time of global
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instability? >> yeah. i think the chairman of the armed services made a great statement we support the process, and he has his support going through the process and we'll have to see how that goes through. one thing that is absolutely clear is that the pentagon needs reform. we are not keeping pace with what y russia and china are doi. we're seeing the weapons systems of advanced technology that are being utilized on the battlefield of ukraine and our acquisition systems and our accounting systems, spending systems are not working at the pentagon. >> that requires experience. >> we need reform. someone has to be able to lead that and that's going to be the debate in the senate. >> i love when i ask congress people, and they keep reminding me they don't sit in the straight and don't want to comment. i sense some uncertainty there on your part. but i don't want to put words in your mouth. i want to ask you about what is ticking down in congress right now and that is something --
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there's a scramble at the end of this year to get a bunch of work done. your democratic colleague in the senate mark warner said it is an urgent priority to address cyber security gaps in the final weeks. is it a priority to do something because of this massive breach by china of u.s. telecom? >> one thing that's disappointing and we've seen from this administration this malaise or stasis of unable to move as a result of the president unable to make a decision here we have this massive breach, this hack that has occurred from china, but we're hearing nothing from the president himself no action from this administration, as to what they're -- what consequences there will be. this is not -- doesn't mean just a technological fix, it needs a diplomatic fashion, nation to nation consequences. >> what do they look like? >> in the obama administration china hacked the personnel management system of the u.s. government. there were no consequences.
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now we're seeing china hack the entire system of the nation. >> yeah. >> there needs to be consequences. they can be economic, they can be any number of ways. we have nothing coming out of the administration. we need to be talking about is not technologically how do we fix this but address which is what donald trump is doing, coming in and saying china is our most gravest threat how do we address the fact that china is aggressively attacking the ney and doing that in our telecom. >> question for the incoming administration to pick that up. thank you, chair turner f turnee nation will be back in a print.
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decade. help us understand what it means to see the regime fall? >> it's an indescribable feeling of happiness that this regime, this dictator who has made the worst crimes of the 21st century alongside russia and iran and isis all of these horrible people have been defeated by a coalition of rebel forces that did not need any support from any outside country, not turkey, not qatar, not anyone. this time around syria was liberated by its people for its people and it's truly inspiring. for the middle east and europe as well. >> there's a lot of uncertainty as to what this means and, andy, you've watched this region closely for some time. at this hour none of the officials i have spoken with in regional governments seem to know where bashar al assad went. does it matter where he went?
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>> moaz may differ. i don't think it does now that the government has fallen. i do think what unfolds over the next couple weeks and if the opposition actually treats all of the factions in syria with dignity and respect and insures their safety, we will have more understanding. there's a lot of atrocities that were carried out by the assad regime. those people are probably in syria and see how that goes. >> fair point. the people who worked within the regime. >> the syria military intelligence, director. i mean have a lot of blood on their hands. >> i know that you personally, moaz, were involved in smuggling out evidence of some of the torture of the mass atrocities the systemic institutionalized violence that happened from from the prisons you brought it to congress and made it public. what do you think we can learn
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now as those buildings are being seized by rebels. >> the first thing that we are work really hard to do is find austin tice and bring him home. >> an american journalist who worked at cbs news for some time marine veteran. >> he went to cover the plight of the syrian people from what assad and russia have gone doing to them. we need to find him and bring him to his mom no matter what. the syrians owe him a debt. americans undeclared and freeing syrians from prisons is something that's really important but the collection of that intelligence as well as the hezbollah, iranian, russian assad regime, any officials that have been arrested by the syrian people without any support of the international community or regional country was work to try to save assad, that is valuable to the united states. that's why we need to engage with this new emerging government that god willing is the path to democracy, the only
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arab country in the world with the hope of being a democracy is syria. that's incredible. >> that's a big promise to make. >> it's not a promise. it's hope. realistic. >> hope. andy, but right now, the person we're seeing emerge we showed him in the hugely symbolic place to make a speech in damascus is this leader of a terrorist group. designated by the united states as a terrorist. $10 million bounty on his head. >> correct. >> what does that signify? >> it's not going to be an easy process to undesignate abu mohammad al golani. >> golani. >> we can accommodate some flexibility. he's going to come off the designation list. we'll see. you have said that he's going to respect all the factions, the druze, christian, the shia, alawte who are responsible --
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>> actions not by his words. talk to the bishop of aleppo. >> time will tell. i'm a born skeptic as my colleagues at the agency are. we will see. >> go ahead. tell us who is in this. you talked about it as a coalition not just hts. who are these people who now seem to be in control of syria? >> sure. first of all, since the whole world is boiling down the syrian revolution to one faction of a coalition or one person within a faction, let's discuss that. why was hts put on the terrorist list? it was put on a terrorist list over an older version that had a loose affiliation with al qaeda. an interislamist whatever. i don't agree -- >> i think margaret is talking as a person, abu mohammed al golani, he was in al qaeda in iraq, worked for be a you al
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kawhi spent years as a detainee. we're also talking hts but also him as a person. he's designated. >> what's hilarious about this right now as millions of syrians come back from europe and ready to come home, there has been zero reports of violations, i was on the phone with the bishop of aleppo, that president trump and people in president trump's camp were concerned about the christians in syria, of course, there's so much focus on, you know, any time there's something terrorist, terrorists. what ended up happening is the bishop of aleppo said, sir, first it's the coalition of groups, including, and we have had electricity more now than under the regime and fear is russian air strikes. i'm glad president trump told russia what it should do. >> right. >> get out of syria, and it has done so. >> we will be watching to see whether that continues to be the case and what transpires. >> one last thing, margaret. >> i have to go.
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welcome back to "face the nation." on friday we sat down with republican mike kelly and democrat jason crow leaders of the bipartisan congressional task force investigating the assassination attempts on former president trump and wanted to know what they learned about the challenges facing the secret service when it comes to keeping
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protectees safe. >> the area that i looked at was the culture of the organization. i was struck by the stories and the recount of the specific actions of officers, agents on the ground that day and there were some heroic ones but also a lot of examples of people that knew that something was wrong and they didn't say anything. >> yeah. >> why didn't anyone say anything. were they unaware of vulnerabilities or is there a culture of silence or people speaking up, get smacked down for doing so. >> that is my concern. there's a culture of silence and that individual officers and agents are not in power to say something is wrong. >> congressman kelly, on this point, some of it sounds like management 101. this is not specific to the secret service. a lot of organizations have problems with what you highlighted there. acting director roe testified he thinks the secret service needs to identify leaders early on and promote them based on ability
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not just hours logged on the clock. >> isn't that true of everything in life. when you look at this, people talk about we need better leadership, i was on the ground the night before. they were going to work through the night to get it ready. >> and then you find out afterwards there was no coordination, there was no team meeting, there was no -- this is going to be your responsibility to know where you're supposed to be and what time you're supposed to be there. you bring local law enforcement in but don't include them in the planning or when you do the interviews afterwards i thought he was going to do it. we thought somebody else was going to do it. when you knew there was a suspicious person on the ground this was common going back and forth, communicating with each other, you can't tell me you didn't know until 10 minutes after 6:00 that you couldn't communicate at 11 minutes after 6:00 the shooter took action. they knew an hour and a half ahead of time out of the thousands of people walking around on that property there was a suspicious person. and they kept losing sight of him. i would have said and i have no background in law enforcement,
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keep the president back until we clear the area. that's the part that doesn't make sense to me. they failed from the first thing, from the picking of the site, preparing the site, coordination of the site, ability to communicate, every step of the way they failed. and the question is, why didn't you just say hold up? just hold up? don't let him come out. >> when the acting director says on thursday of this week we need to pick better leaders, that would suggest that the agency today does not necessarily have the leaders it needs to fix all the things you laid out. >> yeah. and i think by saying what he said, that's what he meant. they don't have the leadership they need when they morph them into homeland security back in -- in 2001, whenever it was. they took away their identity. and their exclusivity. when you're the best of the best, the elite of the elites, if you lose that, then all of a
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sudden you just become part of a team. there was a huge mistake back when homeland came in. that's not a criticism. i'm telling you on july 13th there was a lack of professionalism, there was a lack of concern, there was a lack of coordination and the ability to communicate is the one thing i'll never understand. you knew you couldn't talk to each other. why did you go forward. >> i want to be clear there are plenty of extraordinary agents and officers in the secret service, right. when we talk about a failure of mission, you know, in butler and any place else, that doesn't mean 80, 90% of the secret service agent aren't phenomenal and professional. there is a systemc problem here. the staffing of the secret l, - service hasn't changed in years. at the same time as we are now asking them to do things they didn't do a decade ago and they are fulfilling an operational tempo that requires them to be
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deployed three weeks out of a month, constantly doing events, skipping firearms training, skipping leadership development training, we are not developing their skills and their training and i think you see the results of that. >> so you made three dozen recommendations in this report on what to change including to reduce the number of protectees. right now the secret service protects not only the leadership, their families, spouses, children, candidates and anyone really the president designates. should all of that continue. >> we've increased the size of protectees including foreign assets to come here and people to bring their families and things. that's gotten so big, but if you look at homeland, i think when you look at secret service it's about 3% of their spend. the biggest spend is on fema. we don't want to change anything like that. you can't have an exclusive without funding them to the level they need to be funded. not only in manpower and in training, but in the assets they
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have to have available to them. >> you have to ask yourself what are your missions and what is the thing that only you can do. like what is that no fail mission? in this case the secret service the no fail mission is to protect our highest level candidates and our highest level elected officials, period. all the other things investigation of financial crimes, training and support, these are all secondary missions. so if you're not actually adequately performing any of those missions to standard and if you've reached a breaking point it's time to assess what are those missions that need to fall off and be transitioned elsewhere. >> you congressman crow seem frustrated based on the report and hearing -- >> do i seem frustrated? >> with the fact that you could find out more about the shooter in butler and in the potential shooter in mar-a-lago. >> that's an important element
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to the story. people have rightful questions about it. i have rightful questions. why did the shooter do this? what drove him to do it? was he a lone wolf shooter? did he have associates, affiliates? how was he radicalized. we endeavored to get answers it those questions. we submitted numerous requests to the department of justice and fbi. their response is, this is an ongoing criminal investigation and we can't give that information to congress. that in my view is an unacceptable position and here's why -- >> for both butler and mar-a-lago that was the answer. >> correct. here's why that's unacceptable. i've sat on the intelligence committee, armed services committee, and congress all the most sensitive secrets, ongoing operations, intelligence operations, military operations. you can't tell me there isn't a way to put us into a secure facility and get us information about an ongoing criminal investigation when i regularly am receiving briefs on what our
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spies and our military special operators are doing regularly around the world. so none of this stands to reason and we have dedicated ourselves to continue to get those answers. if the fbi and doj thinks that they can wait us out and stonewall us they are wrong. >> you think they are intentionally withholding information? >> i don't know. i'm not a mind reader, but, you know, i've been around congress long enough to know what people do and when you get stonewalled. this is not uncommon. >> no. >> when you're dealing with agencies and departments. it's a pretty regular method and it's something that, you know, we encounter all the time in our oversight responsibilities. >> so we don't know or tell me if perhaps you know the answer to this, was there a foreign n nexus, yes or no? >> americans are deluged with misinformation and disinformation coming from a variety of sources and conspiracy theories sometimes take root when there's a lack of
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information or conflicting information. our job is to try to get information out there, to be transparent and tell the real story and that's why this is important. this element of that story is important. there's a lot of conspiracies around these shootings. we take that seriously. we want to, you know, rebuff those. but, you know, in this case, and sit on a lot of other committees, i have seen no evidence that a state actor and adversary was responsible for either of these attempted assassination attempts. i have seen no evidence. but when in a position where, you know, the government says well, it's not this, but we wo won't tell you what it is. we can't tell you definitively, people respond and have questions about that. i understand that mentality. even though we don't have evidence of one thing, people still want to know what else it is, and i want to know what else it is. >> do we know if he acted alone.
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>> we don't know that. >> congress doesn't know that. >> i'm going to be really clear about this, because this is a sensitive territory because we want to make sure we're not getting people spun up unnecessarily, there is no evidence of -- from other sources internal government sources, from our investigation, that others were involved, that he acted with others, and that a foreign state or adversary was involved in this. but that still raises the question of why did he do this? was this -- was he just a disturbed young man who decided to take action alone? probably. i mean, that's probably the answer. >> what it looks like now. >> that's what it looks like. >> we need to know. right. let's get the information out there that the government has to make sure that we can settle this. that's our obligation. >> is the agency today able to do its job if they weren't able to do it in july? >> we were tasked with trying to
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find out what happened that day, why it happened that day and that the secret service -- that doesn't happen again. it's a crazy world right now. but there was too much ahead of time that we did know that we didn't share. i would never let my child play near a road and when you do you put people in jeopardy and you know there's a danger there. don't let it happen. >> is there anything that you feel important to raise that we didn't talk about? >> we never identified as republicans and democrats. we defined as the task force to find out what happened that day. the whole goal from day one is to restore the faith and trust and confidence that the american people must have in this agency. at this point it's probably at the lowest it's ever been. the other thing i think we realize that threats are 365 days a year, you can't take a day off, you can't take a play off. you have to be ready for anything that could happen. is that a difficult task? yes. is it almost impossible? yes. there's a lot of bad actors out
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there. what's not impossible, our dedication to the fact that we're going to do the best we can do every single day to ensure that the american people have the faith and trust and confidence they must have in us. >> this is a tough place to work and there are -- there are some people here that don't belong here that are just here to get attention, to get, you know, clicks on social media, that aren't here to legislate. this has been one of the best experiences of my time in congress, and i couldn't have asked for a better partner than mike kelly. he's a very conservative republican, and i'm a democrat, both proud of that, proud of our politics. >> we are. >> and we represent our districts. >> we do. >> that's actually the job. >> yep. >> i represent the culture and politics and the hopes and dreams of our districts and that's what's so beautiful about this place when it works well. >> yeah. >> but this process and i think this is really important for americans to understand, this
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process was serious, it was bipartisan, it was deep, and we did the job that we were asked to do. >> yeah. >> you can watch our full interview on our website and our youtube page. we'll be right back. can neuriva support your brain health? mary. janet. hey! eddie. no! fraser. frank. frank. fred. how are you? support up to seven brain health indicators, including memory. when you need to remember, remember neuriva.
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a panel of federal judges in d.c. last week upheld a new law that could effectively ban the popular social media app tiktok by mid january if its chinese owners do not sell it to a new buyer. frank mccourt, the chairman of mccourt global and founder of project liberty is one of the potential buyers and joins us now. >> good morning. >> so tiktok says, well they might go to the supreme court on this one, if they don't their parent company byte dance has said they're not interested in selling. do you have any indication that they will and that the incoming trump administration would support someone like you buying it? >> yeah. i think where we are now,
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margaret, three options. one is an appeal. our lawyers tell us there's very little chance of a successful appeal by byte dance. strong, bipartisan legislation, a 3-0 vote by the appellate court. so now that leaves us with two. a ban or a sale. we don't want to see it banned. i would add that president-elect trump doesn't want to see it banned. we've been working on the assumption that the legislation would be upheld and that there would be a sale. so that's where we are right now. and we're working hard to be in a position to buy the u.s. portion of tiktok so it's not shut down. >> so what is that worth to you? there are estimates it could be as high as $200 billion in worth. >> $200 billion would be in the range of what the entirety of the platform is worth not just the u.s. piece. the chinese government has said they're not selling the
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algorithm. they view that as i.p. of the country. u.s. tiktok is a ■piece ofbyte dance. if it's sold it will be sold without an algorithm so the value will be far less than $200 billion. we have circled over $20 billion to be in a position and we're very serious about raising whatever capital is required to buy the platform. and to be clear, we're looking to move the 170 million users over to a new protocol where the individuals will own and control their identity and their data. we're not looking to replicate the existing version. >> let's talk about that. as you said 170 million americans use tiktok, especially young people. u.s. law prohibits foreign control of mass media, but the social media space is kind of a loophole here. there aren't a lot of governing rules in this space. do you think congress needs to write new rules of the road to ban foreign ownership and to put
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restrictions on even owners like you? >> i think we need to upgrade our regulations and our policies. there's no doubt about that. but far more importantly, we need to fix the technology. the internet is fundamentally broken. we heard your guests earlier, representative turner talk about the threat from china on our telecom hack. >> they're still in the telecom system. >> absolutely. you heard kelly and crow talk about the deluge of misinformation and disinformation. the fact that it's a very dangerous world right now. the reason why the congress moved quickly with tiktok is because it is a national security threat to americans. and the reason why the judges upheld it is for that same reason. so let's turn a problem into a solution by taking advantage of this moment, move the 170 million users to a new protocol where individuals are respected.
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>> do you have an indication from president-elect trump that he wants to see an american entity buy this? because he would also have a -- some influence in the outcome. >> of course. as president-elect he'll have massive influence. >> have you spoken to him? >> president-elect trump is a dealmaker. i'm a dealmaker. i've been doing business deals my entire life. let's make a deal where everybody wins. china is able to sell the u.s. portion of tiktok, where american citizens are protected. and where there's -- and 170 million users continue to enjoy the platform. he has said he doesn't want it banned, which means a sale. and the legislation and the appellate decision require that this platform be owned by americans. we have built a clean bottom up, american stack, to move this user base over where there will be no chinese back doors and no
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ability to take advantage of american citizens. >> you're indicating you've built out technology you think that will not allow for government surveillance. >> correct. >> whoever owns this is going to be powerful. if you get 170 million americans on a platform particularly young people to consume the information on this system, so what guarantees do you make? because facebook and twitter they also harvest information about consumers. >> yeah. >> wouldn't you. >> that's what we don't want to do. the reason we want to move people to a new stack where you can't harvest without permission, individuals will own and control their identity and data, permission its use, will actually have internet that respects people, as opposed to exploits them. imagine empowering people -- to be clear i'm not looking to be the ceo of tiktok. we call it the people's bid because we want this to empower people and to stop this nonsense where we're exploiting people by scraping their data and taking advantage of them and in the case of tiktok, actually
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creating a national security threat. >> elon musk who owns x, formerly known as twitter now, has raised concerns about content moderation restricting free speech. do you share that concern? and what restrictions would you put on paid political advertisements? >> i mentioned we need better policies for sure, but we need better tech. right now we have a tech stack that's built and these giant apps scrape our data and exploit it. why not flip the power? why not actually give people their data back. our data is our personhood in this age. let us decide how to use it and each decide what moderation we're comfortable with, what censorship we're comfortable with. >> okay. so the surgeon general says you need a warning label because this is damaging the mental health of young people in this country. should people under the age of 16 have access?
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>> under the current tech stack, i agree with the surgeon general. under a new technology auto i'm a builder and my family has been building five generations. let's take this ban of tiktok, this security problem, and turn it into a solution for americans. let's make it a win. win-win. >> well, mid-january, we will see what happens in this case and we will watch your potential bid here. thank you for joining us. we'll be back in a moment.
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the week long cease-fire between israel and hezbollah and lebanon appears to be holding but the situation in gaza remains dire. here's debora patta reporting from east jerusalem. >> reporter: a massive israeli strike caught on camera by cbs news as it ripped through the camp nea camp near khan yunis. a safe zone turned into a blazing inferno faced with unpredictable danger, exhausted families on the move again.
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israel says it was targeting two hamas militants, but over 20 people died, among them, four children and a pregnant woman. in central gaza, 13-year-old shadi was playing outside when he was killed. this is proof of their crimes, his aunt mona shouted. they just want to kill as many palestinians as possible. ordered everyone to leave. it is under siege. even as palestinians flee they are shot at. israel has allowed virtually no aid into the north for more than two months. in the south, this is what it looks like. outside the few remaining bakeries as people fight just for a piece of bread. every morning 11-year-old zana braved those crowds until one day she did not come home.
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she had been trampled to death. the world looks at us and all they see are terrorists her father ahmed told us. we're not terrorists. we just want to survive. but no one, it seems, is listening. as hunger spreads, everywhere. amnesty international says there is no time to waste and has warned the u.s. to stop sending weapons to israel because of the likelihood, margaret, that these would be used for war crimes or genocide. >> that was our debora patta in east jerusalem. we'll be right back. cade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ask your doctor about farxiga.
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catherine depalma: in my lifetime, i did not come to know the lord until i was 43 years old, so i had an entire childhood and adulthood apart from the lord, knowing of god, but not knowing christ, not having a relationship with jesus. there's a lesson that i learned from dr. charles stanley. we think something's too small to bother asking god about, but every little detail of your life you should be checking with him on. so, don't only pray in the dark times, but pray when things are going good.
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