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we leave you this sunday morning in president-elect trump's home state of florida, roaming with key deer at big pine key. i'm jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next sunday mor i'm jane pauley, please join us with our trumpet sounds again next s day morning. i'm margaret brennan and this is "face the nation." the cease-fire is in place. the prisoner swap is under way. is this the beginning of the end of the devastating war in gaza?
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phase one of this fragile deal is unfolding hours before america begins its own handover change is coming to washington and despite the expected pomp and pageantry, the challenges facing our 47th president are numerous and sobering. we'll talk about the immediae oes with the incoming national secure adviser mike walz. republican senator lindsey graham and democrat tim kaine will also join us. is a cease-fire deal the beginning of a new way forward for peace in the middle east? we'll talk with a key biden negotiator of the truce and explore the humanitarian crisis facing the youngest victims of the war in gaza. just ahead on "face the nation." good morning. as we come on the air, there is good news to report. we are awaiting official word that the first three hostages have safely crossed the border
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out of gaza and are back home in israel. but what you are seeing here now are the crowds awaiting their return. they are, and cbs can confirm, in the custody of the red cross. we begin today with our elizabeth palmer reporting from jerusalem. liz? >> reporter: the day began with a tense delay as hamas failed to identify the hostages it was going to release, and then israel launched fresh attacks on gaza. and then suddenly at 11:15 local time the cease-fire fell into place. the first three hostages released by hamas were handed over to the red cross in gaza to begin their journey home. romi gonen, who was kidnapped from the music festival, emily damari, and doron steinbrecher, both seized from their kabutz. on october 7, 2023, hamas
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terrorists abducted or killed more than 1,000 people in southern israel. within hours, israel's military was bombing gaza. 15 months later, it's too soon to say the war has ended, but it is on pause. hamas and some of its supporters were celebrating the cease-fire as a victory, as part of the deal israel is supposed to release almost 100 palestinian prisoners from jail later today. mohamed el alibi is expected to be one of them. his family in gaza is waiting anxiously. he was arrested when i was only 3 years old, says his daughter, and i am now 12. there are scars on both sides. noah, a former hostage abducted at the nova festival, was rescued after eight terrifying months. >> i live in fear every single
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day. i didn't want to suddenly lose control and kill me. all the terrorists was armed with many weapons, knife and grenades. i live in a war zone. every second felt like the last second of my life. >> reporter: so much could go wrong with this complex deal. it has to hold for months if all the hostages are to be freed. and it depends on two parties with internal riffs. israel's government, whose right wing is fiercely opposed to the cease-fire, and hamas, which has a weakened and divided leadership. >> there's no reason why they should trust each other. a former hostage negotiator. >> so, there will be breaches? >> definitely. >> reporter: is there a mechanism to deal with the inevitable accusations and breaches and hiccups?
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>> this time around there is. it's called donald trump. >> reporter: everyone who wants this deal to hold is pinning hopes on washington's authority. that includes gazans who are hungry and desperate for aid to arrive and the hostages' families who want their loved ones back, alive or dead. >> we are joined by congressman mike walz, the incoming national security adviser to president-elect president-elect donald trump. >> good to be here. >> i understand you were meeting with some of the families of the hostages being held in gaza. at least three americans assessed to still be alive and in captivity. one of them might not be released until phase two, when male soldiers are released and israeli troops withdraw. with the trump team see this through to completion? >> well, remember, the terms of the deal that we finally have
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come to was inherited in many ways from the biden administration. it was actually the biden negotiators that were at the table and the other side was dealing with them but kind of looking to us, particularly steve witcoff, president trump's middle east envoy, and one framework were the women, elderly and sick coming out first. the -- one of the americans is an israeli soldier. that means they'll come out in the second phase, but we will get him out, period. >> edan alexander. >> and i'm convinced this deal would never have happened if president trump were not elected. the trump effect, so to speak. the families believe that. they were effusive in thanks for him and he put out that hamas
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would be on notice that there would be consequences if they don't let our people go. >> there is obviously the party israel here that feels some pressure to get this done. one far right member of the netanyahu government resigned, another this morning said he will bring down the netanyahu government if it does not return to fighting in a way that leads israel to taking over the entire gaza strip. does mr. trump support annexation of the west bank in gaza? >> well, excuse me, very different things. what we're talking about here is making sure that hamas is destroyed as a terrorist organization. hamas is no different than isis or al qaeda or any of the worst of the worst that has so brutalized the middle east over the years. and what we have made clear to bebe netanyahu and his government, and i want the israeli people to hear me loud and clear, if hamas reneges on
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this deal, we will support israel. number two, hamas will never govern gaza. that is completely unacceptable. they've made their intention clear, which is to destroy israel and have future october 7ths. i understand the concern, but at the end of the day, prime minister netanyahu supported this deal. he agreed we needed to get those hostages out. and within the next 24 hours, we will see -- we will see three women coming out alive and hugging their families. had we not entered this, these people would have died, margaret. i mean, these conditions they were in -- by the way, they've been held now longer than the hostages in 1979 in the iranian hostage crisis. they were being brutalized, raped, tortured. it was horrific. but now we're going to have a reagan moment. we're going to have president trump being sworn in as hostages are coming out alive. that's something we should all
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celebrate. >> you've also said, though, that you want to build on this, to eventually get peace between israel and saudi arabia, normalization. >> that's right. >> the price of that is recognition of a palestinian state, according to saudi arabia. does mr. trump support a two-state solution? hamas doesn't want two states. the far right in israel doesn't want two states. does mr. trump? >> president trump's plan in his first term, his plan for the middle east and his plan for israel and palestine, had a pathway to a two-state with all kinds of very important qualifiers that had to be in place beforehand. stop radicalizing the next generation of palestinian youth. very specifics components of that plan in terms of how things would be divided up. but i do think we can get to the next round of the abraham accords. i do think we can expand it.
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that will be between israel and saudi arabia, which will be tremendous. that has been a main goal of the netanyahu government now for years. and, margaret, i can tell you, for president trump, if any short amount of time, if we're talking about infrastructure projects, ports, rails, fiber, data center, we're talking about all of those things, these historic animosities will become smaller and smaller and smaller. and that is the peace that he seeks and only he can lead. >> so, mr. huckabee, the possible future ambassador to israel is wrong when he says that mr. trump does not believe in a two-state solution in the future? >> well, i've spoken to -- >> he said that yesterday. >> no, i've spoken to him. it's, how do we eventually get there? and what we eventually want is the abraham accords and that next round, right? and there is a lot of room, both can be true.
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we are going to protect israel. we are going to make sure that they are defended. but eventually we're going to come to some accommodation that saudi arabia is comfortable in entering into that deal. >> to lead to a palestinian state, that's what we're asking? >> well, we'll see exactly what that looks like. that process is going to be long. >> yes. >> and what was so interesting about the first administration was that we shifted the dynamics. we brought israel and the arab states together because of their mutual concern about iran and its aggression and what the ayatollah intended to do. we sat the palestinian issue aside for a bit. >> yeah. >> that is what, i think, the framework we'll get back to. >> there's a lot to get to, so i want to ask you what we should expect in terms of executive actions in these early days from mr. trump. >> oh, well, look, we're going to have his campaign promises
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that he promised to the american people right out there on the table in terms of border, in terms of energy, in terms of taking on this kind of dei, you know, woke culture that has infected so many parts of our federal government, including our military, returning us to ameritocracy. he has a lot in front of him. i'm excited to be a part of it. i can't emphasize enough though, margaret, on the border the american people gave him a clear mandate. lock down the border. deport the worst of the worst. take on the cartels. we cannot have a situation where we have paramilitary gangs that are shooting down aircraft with heavy weapons controlling 30% of our neighbor, mexico, and controlling whole swaths of our border. >> you're talking about perhaps an executive order designating cartels as a terrorist group? >> i don't want to get ahead of
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the announcements, but we have to deal with them with what they are. these are paramilitary organizations with billions at their disposal, with armored vehicles, heavy machine guns fighting the mexican army, not police, army, to a standstill. president trump was clear on the campaign trail that we're going to take them on and we're going to use every resource we need to defend the american people. >> we are seeing in our polling that there is a lot of approval for the president-elect's plan to deport immigrants who are here illegally. but understanding how that works is something i want to ask you. can you tell us anything about the scope and scale of the roundups that we should expect in these first few days? >> well, i think they're going to be -- they're going to be quite aggressive, number one. number two, they're going to go after these criminal gangs terrorizing our cities, particularly ms-13 and particularly trend agua. our communities are asking --
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>> where are you going to deport them to? one of those -- one is venezuelans. where will you send them? >> we're in a number of conversations with a number of countries that will agree to take them. >> okay. so, that's a big diplomatic initiative you're part of? >> that's right. >> tiktok took itself offline at midnight. because of this national security law that you signed onto as a congressman recognizes that tiktok owned by a chinese firm, bytedance, is a national security threat. but on this -- notice, it says donald trump has promised to work with them. if mr. trump issues an executive order that bypasses a national security law, isn't this a risk? how are you going to prevent china from doing what you say they're doing already, which is siphoning up and spying on americans? >> well, look, i would even point to the author of the law, former representative mike
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gallagher, who has put out -- his goal was never to eliminate tiktok. it was to allow americans to use it but then to make it safe from chinese communist party's interference. >> it was to have an american owner. >> right. what we need between now and monday is to buy the president some time to evaluate those deals. and if it goes dark, that's going to be obviously extremely problematic. so, both can be true. we can have an app that americans can enjoy, but at the same time that protects their data and protects them from outside influence. and undue influence. that's the time and space that the president is seeking. as a deal-maker, i think we all should be confident that he can craft that kind of a deal. >> have tiktok and bytedance told you they're actually interested in selling? >> the president worked with -- spoke with president xi again, very top-down authoritarian system that --
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>> you think he's the ultimate decider? >> they agreed to work together on this. >> president xi is acknowledging that he has control of bytedance and tiktok? >> not explicitly, but every company in china in some way or some form has to report to or has a member of the chinese communist party on its board. >> and must share information at the request of the chinese communist party. >> that was the concern of a lot. >> tom cotton is saying that. >> sure, sure. >> the republican -- >> the author of the law is saying both can be true. we can have an app that protects americans. i could tell you, i wouldn't want the fbi or the u.s. government monitoring every keystroke or seeing every password, nor do we want the chinese communist party, but we also want an app that 170 million americans clearly really enjoy and that we were able to get our message out during the trump campaign in a very powerful way. >> so, you believe that an
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american owner will emerge and a deal will be done. >> i don't want to get ahead of president trump on the deal, but he is definitely wanting to have the time right now, which would mean an extension, to evaluate the deals that are on the table. >> okay. the head -- the republican head of the intelligence committee says the law wouldn't allow for that, because you need to show there -- >> no, actually, the law says if there is a viable deal on the table. >> exactly. >> right. >> you're saying there is a viable deal? >> i know of at least one from kevin o'leary that's been delivered to bytedance. the point is, what is a viable deal? >> exactly. >> the president needs the time with the department of justice to evaluate what viable means. we can't do that if the thing is completely dark. >> and you'll be on the job, starting at noon monday? >> honor of my life. thanks so much. >> mike walz, thanks so much. we'll be back in a minute. stay with us. one day, your j. next, it's on your skin. i got cosentyx. feels good to move. feel less joint pain,
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good to have you here, brett. >> thanks, margaret. great to be here. >> we're watching the braeblging news. this is a deal you negotiated. what can you tell us about how these three women who have been transferred to the red cross are doing? >> well, i just confirmed with my israeli counterparts they are now in israeli custody. this has just happened. look, i know they're alive. i'm sure they are in -- they have been held in deplorable conditions over 470 days, but the israelis have a very good system to take them into their care and they're going to get the care they need and be reunited with their families. >> it appeared that even up until this morning it was in question whether hamas was going to go through with this. the israelis said they hadn't handed over the names of the captives. do we -- why? and do we know much about the well-being of the three americans that are still being held? >> well, look, this deal was negotiated over a year for a good reason. it's a detailed, complex arrangement to leave nothing to chance. even up until last night, i was
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up until 4:00 in the morning when this finally went into place to make sure everything went according to the plan. hamas owed the three names for those for the cease-fire to go into effect. it eventually happened and now the news today. a full cease-fire in effect in gaza. 800 trucks of aid getting into gaza today. >> 800? >> 800 trucks of aid should reach gaza today and you've had the three girls reunited with their families. >> the u.n. says an average of 72 trucks a day went in since december and that's been the case in january. is there even capacity for the israelis to search these trucks and allow in those trucks? do you expect 800 trucks -- >> that's why i've been in the middle east nonstop making sure this was ready to go. this wasn't put together since the last week. this was laid out in may when president biden laid out this framework. he announced it to the world in may. it was unanimously endorsed by the u.n. security council.
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we thought we were close in august, margaret, and then we had six hostages killed in a tunnel underneath rafah. i was in the green room talking to the mother -- speaking to the mother of goldberg who was killed tragically if august. it was in august when hamas killed those hojdz that we decided to flip the script. there was not a deal because hamas would not agree to release hostages. we supported the israelis in going after hezbollah. they took out hezbollah. >> in lebanon. >> we have a new government in lebanon. that isolated hamas. iran is in the weakest position it's been in the middle east in decades. when we went back to the table in december, hamas for the first time was ready to accept the may framework and begin to release hostages. it wasn't until early january they approved the hostage list and that's how we got to the list today. >> how are the american hostages doing? >> keith will come out in phase one. segi will come out in day one. edan is phase two. we are exited, i think you heard
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this from mike walz, we've been working seamlessly with the transition team. this is a testament to president biden and donald trump. we've been working to get this done. we are committed to getting edan out as early as possible. i spoke with edan's father just last night. >> so, prime minister netanyahu described this overnight as a temporary cease-fire. he says he has permission to begin fighting as needed. do you believe he sees this as just a strategic pause or that he actually wants to end this war? >> the way the deal is structured on day 16, negotiations begin for phase two. phase two will begin negotiation of exchange of soldiers for palestinian hostages. we support the israelis to make sure hamas can never come back those conditions have to be set. we in the biden administration have been very clear, we want to see this deal reached all three
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phases. every hostage come home. i think the trump administration very much shares that objective. and the template, the road map that the president set out in may, this was the road map ultimately to ending the war, getting everyone home is the only way to do it. that road map is in place. we have a cease-fire today in gaza and a good chance to get every hostage home. we got to do everything we can to make that happen. >> well, hamas, according to secretary blinken, has recruited almost as many militants as it lost over the course of this war. blinken said that this week. >> hamas has been decimated. their leader was killed. hamas on october 7th was an organized military formation. it invaded israel with 3500 troops with military formations, combat brigades. it is no longer able to do that. . it does not have military capacity. >> that argues that israel has done something that may backfire on them in terms of the humanitarian situation that has
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allowed to continue to recruit. >> i spent hours with prime minister netanyahu. this is a deal he fully supports. they agree, there's a moral debt to these hostages. you have to get them out. israel is going to make sure it protects its national security and we're going to make sure we do that. margaret, we got that deal without that wider middle east war that everyone was predicting. americans did not get drawn into a wider middle east war. we supported israel against hezbollah. we supported israel going after hamas. we have defanged the proxies around the nation. that led to get the deal today. that's how we got to this point. >> okay. i have to take a break here, brett. don't mean to cut you off. we will have more questions but we have to take a quick break. stay with us. mi gonen.
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