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nation." we're continuing our conversation now with brett mcgurk of the national security council under president biden. brett, i just want to pick up where we left off. just this past week president biden gave one of his last interviews and he shared a private conversation with prime minister netanyahu. take a listen to it. >> i said, bibi, i said, you can't be carpet bombing these communities. and he said to me, well, you did it. you carpet bombed -- not his exact words, but you carpet bombed berlin. you dropped a nuclear weapon. you killed thousands of innocent people because you had to in order to win a war. >> president biden went on to say that's why the entire u.n. and international order was created, to stop that from ever happening again. how much do you think israel's standing in the world has been damaged by the conduct of its military? >> well, that was a conversation early on when the debate was

whether or not the israelis should go in on the ground. we had a debate with them about that. ultimately we supported them and they were right because hamas was living in 400 miles of tunnels underneath gaza. there was no way to root out hamas without going into gaza. >> but dropping bombs -- >> i'm just going back to what the conversation was about. it was about how this was going to go. and, look, we've worked closely with the israelis. too many people have died in this war, that's why we worked so hard to get to where we are today with a ceasefire. the ceasefire today, this framework, the roadmap the president laid out in may was the only way to end the war and the only way to end the war was frankly with massive pressure on hamas and knocking out the other proxies that were supporting hamas. i have to emphasize this again, when hezbollah was firing on israel every single day it was hassan nasrallah's position they would not stop shooting on israel and making northern israel a no man's land until israel stepped all of hamas' terms in gaza. israel had to knock out hezbollah to get this deal. that's what happened with a

ceasefire at the end of november and opened up the space to get this deal. it's been a brutal war but to end it we get we had to get the ceasefire deal and to do that we had to support israel and back them up and we did. >> we will see if this ceasefire becomes an end to the war and there's more diplomac ahead. brett mcgurk, thank you for sharing the details. we are going to turn now to republican senator lindsey graham who joins us this morning from seneca, south carolina. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning. >> i imagine you are supportive of this ceasefire and mike waltz's pledge to see it through? >> yeah, i very much appreciate what brett and steve witkoff have done. let me just say this, these people would not be coming out if president trump had not demanded they be out. everything brett said about pressure on hamas and iran is true, but the game changer was when trump said i want them out or all hell will be to pay. here is what i'm hoping, they come out, the deal holds, but

what does the end of the war look like? i want to reinforce something to you, this war will never end with hamas in charge of gaza. >> right. >> politically or militarily. their days are numbered. and the next question for the world is what do we do about the iran nuclear program? that's where we're going to move to next. there's diplomacy, there's a one in three chance you will degrade the iranian nuclear program through diplomacy. there is a 90% chance you will degrade it through military action by israel, supported by the unitedstates. so the next topic i will be engaging in with president trump is to take this moment in time to decimate the iran nuclear program because they're so exposed -- >> what does that mean? >> help israel deliver a knockout blow. >> what does that mean? have israel bomb iran's facilities that are underground and would require u.s. military support to actually be effective? >> i'm going to urge the decimation of the iranian

nuclear program. i don't think diplomacy works. brett will tell you what they have done to hezbollah and hamas has been amazing. the proxies are incredibly weakened. israel can go anywhere they want to go. this is a religious nazi regime. they want to destroy the jewish state. they want to purify islam and drive us out of the middle east. it would be like negotiating with hitler. i am hoping there will be an effort by he is real to decimate the iran nuclear program supported by the united states and if we don't do that, it will be a historical mistake. >> lindsey graham, i have a lot to get to on the domestic front, but that is quite a marker to lay down. i want to ask you about what you are working on domestically with steven miller, trump's homeland security adviser, on border security. >> sure. >> and i understand it's part of the massive republican reconciliation bill that's being put together. do you have a top line number

yet on how much this is all >> yes, $100 billion for border security through reconciliation would be enough to hire i.c.e. agents, create new detention beds and finish the wall and put technology in place over four years. 200 b$200 billion will be given the military to make it more capable of deterring china. 1$100 billion for the board. i met with mike johnson yesterday, he is a dear friend, i admire him greatly. he has a political problem in the house he wants to do one big beautiful bill. i have never been more worried about an attack on our homeland than i am now with the rise of isis in afghanistan and wars all over the world. i think the number one priority for the republican party should be to secure that border. you need new money to do it and if we don't we're playing russian roulette with our own national security. border first, military funding

first. get the tax cuts and spending reductions put together later on. you need to secure that border like our life depended on it. >> well, this bill is going to be bigger than the $300 billion you just laid out. what's the timetable on that -- >> it's going to be a lot bigger. >> johnson said memorial day. >> well, i hope we can get there, but to those who want to reduce spending i'm giving an opportunity to come meet me next week. you have to cut spending, this reconciliation compliant and we've got enough votes to reduce spending. so can we do $2.5 trillion over ten years? let's give it a try. i want to do two things, cut spending and make the tax cuts permanent. the secretary of treasury steve bessent said if the tax cut expires it will be a catastrophe for our economy. i don't believe there's one republican out there if they were pushed would let the tax cuts expire because that's a $4.5 trillion tax increase. i want to cut spending but my number one priority is to secure that border quickly.

>> well, we will watch the politics of the possible with the very complicated caucus in the house. >> yes. >> let me ask you about the senate, though, because you are on the judiciary committee. kash patel the pick to run the fbi doesn't have a hearing scheduled yet. in his 2022 memoire bill barr said of kash patel he's someone with no background as an agent, would never be able to command the respect necessary to run the day-to-day operations of the bureau. he has virtually no experience that would qualify him to srv at the highest level of the world's preeminent law enforcement agency. the idea of moving him into a role like this showed a shocking detachment from reality. was attorney general barr wrong then and wrong now? >> i disagree with that. yeah, he was wrong then and he's wrong now. i take my advice on kash patel from trey gowdy, dear friend from south carolina who worked with ckash. kash was a public defend sh, he

worked with trey gowdy about the russia hoax. he has the trust of the president. we will see how this plays out. but trey gowdy is enthusiastically supports kash patel and that means a lot to me. >> okay. but he's got a list he's published, kash patel has, he published it in a book of enemies, it includes people like the fbi director, defense secretary austin, bill barr, former white house counsel pat cipollone, former dr. ia director gina haskell. the head of centcom. do you take him by his word and you're going to put him in a law enforcement role to go after them? >> i believe the hearing will expose him to be a very qualified man of the law. he wrote a book, he will have to answer questions about what's in the book, but i'm ready to vote for him because i know him, too. see, he never asked me about the russia hoax that he exposed. people on the right believe that he was part of the solution not

the problem. you asked a good question of brett, has israel suffered because of this war? they went too far on the world stage. here is what's happened on the world stage, the international recorder will be sanctioned by the congress, republicans and democrats, because they're trying to prosecute the prime minister -- >> lindsey graham, this is a far cry from a question about kash patel, you took me all the way to israel from kash patel. are you committing to vote for him no matter what? >> yeah. >> you are going to vote for kash patel? >> i wouldn't say no matter what, but, yes, i'm ready to vote for kash patel because you will never ask me the role he played in exposing the darkest moment of the fbi since edgar -- j. edgar hoover. that's why i trust him. >> okay. ask him about going after journalists which he has also said. i'm interested in the answer to that question. we will be right back. >> i'm sure democrats will ask him. you shouldn't worry about kash patel. >> okay. >> you should worry about

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other picks, democrats have very little say, frankly, because republicans have this 53-seat majority so they don't need democratic votes. you sharply questioned pete hegseth this past week who is the pick to run the pentagon. you asked about his willingness to break oaths, having cheated on his second wife and the mother of a child born two months before when he had told police he was having consensual sex with a woman in monterey, california, who filed a claim of sexual assault and he filed a financial settlement. why did you choose to put that issue of character so front and center instead of asking him about policies? s>> i believe he would be a ver dangerous secretary of defense and so my observation of my republican colleagues is the only reason they ever vote no on a nominee is either a belief of gross incompetence in terms of qualifications or serious character deficit.

that's why matt gates withdrew, because the senate republicans felt on both of those counts he was a nonstarter. i believe my questions of pete hegseth about his serial infidelity, about the allegation of sexual assault, that he refused to disclose to president-elect trump and the transition team and his own mother's allegation that he is a serial abuser of women, i think those are the kinds of things that might affect how republicans view this. if not in the committee, possibly on the floor. we will see. i think there's likely to be committee action as early as late tomorrow in the armed services committee. we will see when there's action on the floor. >> to actually confirm him. the "wall street journal" -- >> yes. >> -- editorial board which is not liberal by any anyone's definition said hegseth made noises about restoring u.s. military deterrents, that's something, but appears we're on track to have a secretary of defense whose real views are a

mystery. wasn't it also important to hear what his plans are for china and the like, because it looks like he is going to sail through if republican leadership can keep republicans in line and get them all to deliver the votes they need. >> well, and, margaret, i think if you look at the entire hearing, a number of his views were put on the table. i had seven minutes. it was so unusual to have a secretary of defense nominee refuse to even meet with any of the democratic members of the committee except for the chairman. rfk has met with democratic members, the secretary of labor nominee, secretary of army, secretary of navy, secretary of state, they are all meeting with the democratic members of the committee, but when he refused to meet with us, and you only have seven minutes, we divided up topics. i asked him about what i consider to be glaring faults of character, other members of the committee asked him about positions on strategy, the role of women in combat, whether he

is qualified to run an organization of the size of the pentagon. i think overall in the hearing we put a lot of material on the table for folks to consider. >> let me ask you about immigration. you are a former governor. incoming border czar tom homan has said there will be massive deportation raids beginning as soon as mr. trump takes office. there are just about 300,000 undocumented individuals believed to be living in your state according to pew research and i know your current governor, youngkin, has pledged to fully support efforts through state law enforcement or the national guard. how do you think this is going to work? >> well, i don't exactly know how the administration is going to do it, but let me tell you i'm hearing significant concerns from many sectors in the virginia economy, agriculture, hospitality, health care, construction, that massive deportation raids would be an

absolute gut punch to the virginia and american economy, and if you add to that the trump threat of massive tariffs, i think you're going to see a lot of pain for consumers and a lot of pain for employers if they carry through on mass deportation. now, look, you've got a president who says a lot of things and then chooses not to do them, so i don't know exactly what this is going to look like. >> yeah. >> but i would say that the economy of virginia and the economy of this country is going to suffer through deportation -- mass deportations and tariffs if they go forward with what the president has said he will do. >> well, the biden administration prioritizes criminals in their roundups and deportations, the trump administration says they are also going to target criminals. do you think this is going to look different? >> well, i do think the biden administration prioritizes criminals who are a public safety risk, who pose a threat of violence. the trump administration could go much broader than that. you know, looking at folks -- i

mean, for example, there is a bill that's pending in the senate right now that would deport people on the basis of an arrest, even if they have not been convicted of anything. a shoplifting arrest, even if they have not been convicted of anything. a fundamental aspect of our society is that an arrest doesn't mean anything unless there is a conviction because people get arrested all the times for things that they didn't do. so if the trump administration says, look, an arrest leads to deportation even without a conviction, yep, it's going to look completely different. >> yeah. >> completely different than what the policy has been during the biden administration. >> senator tim kaine, thank you for your time today. we will be back in a moment. >> you bet.

we may be seeing the beginning of the end when it comes to israel's war with gaza but the struggle facing the children in the region is far from over. we want to turn now to janti soeripto the head of save the children. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. >> you have teams inside of gaza, we just heard from brett mcgurk as many as 800 trucks ready to go into gaza. have any of yours actually made it in yet? >> not as of ten minutes ago, margaret.

we have 60 trucks waiting in that queue, all loaded up with warm clothing, shoes for kids, pallets with medicines, malnutrition treatment, which is sorely needed. we haven't as yet seen any go in, but that could have happend over the last couple of minutes. >> and it's incredibly difficult just to get in through the security screenings. i think the peak has been 200 or so trucks per day, so to scale up to 800 is pretty incredible if they can pull that off. >> yeah. >> but when i look at some of these statistics they are just -- just jaw dropping. 1.1 million kids in gaza, half the population, need food. urgent need, surviving on one meal a day after 15 months of war. >> that's right. >> what state are these kids in? >> oh, we -- there's estimates there's about 300,000 children in real acute need of malnutrition treatment. this is not just food, this is a medical treatment to make sure that they don't get real

long-term consequences of that i remember malnutrition, cognitive as well as physical. there are 150,000 pregnant and lactating women inside of gaza who urgently need micro nutrients as well to avoid those same consequences. so the needs are enormous. >> i read, and this was particularly heartbreaking, that save the children is also going to three to connect more than 17,000 separated children to find family members. >> that's right. it's going to be a huge effort. you know, it's a real moment of hope and peril at the same time. >> how do you do that? >> well, what we will do is to -- we do family tracing, so we're going to try to find extended family, even if no direct parents, extended family, aunts, uncles, nephews, neighbors sometimes, the community where they were, find members from that community, vet them, check, backgrounds, and then the painstaking process of reuniting these children who --

many of whom have been either displaced or lost and some even displaced outside of gaza, help them reconnect to that community. a lot of mental health, psychosocial support, cash to make sure that the family is also able to care for them in already a situation of where most of them will have lost everything. so it's a long and hard painstaking process that also needs real sensitive and professional social workers. >> when will those professionals be able to get in? >> well, with he hope as soon as possible. >> in phase one? >> that is the real ask and hope. >> in the next six weeks? >> we need urgently to get in pediatric medical workers, we need those social workers, those case management workers to protect children. we need refreshment. we have a workforce of 250 palestinians in gaza who have been at it for 15 months. they are exhausted. they also need to get back to their -- whatever is left of their homes. we urgently need to be able to surge in adequate capacity and

specialism. >> hamas is not going to govern gaza, they are not governing gaza now, it's largely chaos. how, practically speaking, can you get all of these things done if, as is now israeli law, the largest organization, unwra is going to be banned? if the u.n. can't do this through the u.n. rwa, who does this? >> that is going to be problematic. the operational infrastructure from unrwa is massive, we have said that now for 15 months. all of us humanitarian agencies cannot replace unrwa just like that. if ever. 13,000 unrwa staff inside of gaza. >> schools. >> schools, warehouses, trucks, everything that are being used also by organizations like ours. so that will be difficult and we would hope that there will be certain exemptions to allow for that operational effectiveness to happen. >> because it would be illegal for you to do any work with them? >> yeah.

>> right? you have a tremendous amount of work, janti soeripto, ahead of you. thank you very much for sharing with us. and i know you've been working in california as well with children out there. >> as well. yeah. it -- well, we try to be there for kids wherever the crisis hits. >> thank you. we will be right back.

that's it for us today on this very busy sunday. cbs news will be on the air and streaming startig at 7:00 a.m. eastern time tomorrow with "cbs mornings," followed by our coverage of the -- of mr. trump's second inauguration all day long, including a primetime special at 10:00 p.m. i will see you then. for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.

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