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"face the nation," our exclusive interview with the new vice president, jd vance. washington's been a whirlwind of activity in the first week of the trump 2.0 administration. but what's real and what's just on the president's wish list? >> mr. vice president, if you're ready, we'll dive right in. it's a now era of governing in the nation's capital. you'll hear what the vp says about immigration, lowering prices, reforming the agency that handles disaster aid, those tech titans supporting trump, and the pardons of 1500 people charged with crimes in the january 6th capitol attack. plus, house republican mike turner and democrat jason crow. all just ahead on "face the nation." good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we want to get right to our interview with vice president jd vance. his first since taking office. we spoke with him yesterday in a

ceremonial office next to the white house. pete hegseth, it was a tie, bipartisan opposition, smallest margin since the job was created. you had to break that tie. if the nominee can't unite the party, how will he lead 3 million people? >> pete is a disrupter, and that disruption is credibly necessary. if you think about all of those bipartisan, massive votes, we have to ask ourselves what did they get us? a country where we fought many wars over the last 40 years but haven't won a war as long as i've been alive. they got us a military with a recruitment crisis, a procurement crisis, where we buy airplanes for billions of dollars, terrible cost overruns, the delivery dates are delayed. so we need a big change. admittedly, there are people that don't like that big change, but it is necessary and explicitly what donald j. trump ran on, and where the american people elected him.

>> so the main objective is changing all of that, that it's going to be pete hegseth alone if >> the main thing that we want pete hegseth to do is to fix the problems at the department of defense, and unfortunately there are many. we have gotten into way too many wars, we have gotten into way too many missed a ventures that we should. have gotten into, and our procurement process is broken. >> those are policy decisions. >> but they're also logistical and implementation decisions. if you look at where we are with the rise of artificial intelligence, the rise of drone technology and drone warfare, we have to, top to bottom, change the way that we fund the procurement of weapons the way that we arm our troops. this is a major period of disruption, and we think pete hegseth is the guy to lead the job. there's another element to this. military morale, at least until the election of president trump, was historically low. you have the army missing

recroutment goals by tens of thousands, and already recruitment is picking up because pete hegseth is a war fighter's leader. he sees not through the perspective of the generals for bureaucrats, he looks at things through the perspective of the men and women that fight our wars. >> "the wall street journal" have been critical of tulsi gabbard, calling her an atrocious nominee who deserves to be defeated. they compared her defense of edward snowden, who stole u.s. secrets, to a mob that gets a bad rap. they said she was like a nominee for omb director not being able to count. does this give you pause putting her in charge of the u.s. intelligence community, yes or no? >> no, margaret. these are publications that attacked donald trump obsessively, but those publications don't determine who the president is, and donald

trump is the person who determines who his cabinet, is not these publications that have lost relevance. here's tulsi gabbard's -- the senate will provided a vice and consent as is the constitutional obligation, but i feel tulsi gabbard will ultimately get through. two things important to know about tulsi. she's a career military servant, who has had a classify kaicatio level at the highest level. she has an impeccable record of service and is a person that will bring back trust to the intelligence services. the bureaucrats at our intelligence services have gotten out of control. they've been part of the weaponization of our political system, the weaponization of our justice system. we need to have good intelligence services to keep us safe, but part of that is restoring trust in those services, and she's the right person to do it. she recognizes the bureaucrats have gotten out of control, and

we need somebody there who will rein them in and return those services to identifying information that will keep us safe. >> you campaigned on lowering prices for consumers. we've seen these executive orders. which ones lowers prices? >> we have done a lot, and there have been a number of executive orders that have caused already jobs to start coming back into our country, which is a core part of lowering prices. more capital investment, more job creation is one of the things that will drive down prices for all consumers and raise wages so that people can afford to buy the things they need. margaret, prices are going to cme down, but it's going to take a little bit of time. the president has been president forall of five days. i think in all of those five days he's accomplished more than joe biden did in four years. it's been a breakneck pace of activity. we're going to work with congress, we'll have more executive orders, and the way that you lower prices is that

you encourage more capital investment into our country, and yes, specifically what executive order will lower prices? all of the stuff that we have done on energy, to explore more energy reserves, to develop more energy resources in the united states of america. one of the main drivers of the increase of prices in the biden administration is we had an increase in energy prices. donald trump has taken action that will lower energy prices, and consumers will see lower prices at the pump and the grocery store, but it takes time. rome wasn't built in a day. while we have done a whole lot, we can't undo all of the damage of joe biden's administration. >> there was record oil and gas production -- >> joe biden did many terrible things to lead to the increase in prices. >> all of the things you experience at the grocery store, you were talking about bacon on the campaign trail. >> of course. >> those things, when do

consumers get to touch and feel a difference? >> how does bacon get to the store? it comes on trucks fueled by diesel fuel. how do we grow the bacon? our farmers need energy. so if we lower energy prices, we'll see lower prices for consumers, and that's what we're fighting for. is tz flurry of executive orders, many of them weren't about the economy. >> many of them were, though. >> you had promises of tariffs. >> we have taken over 200 executive action. again, this is in less than a week, and a lot of them were focused on the economy, bringing investment into our country and lowering energy prices. we have focused on safety, restoring public safety, ending the weaponization of the justice department. we've done a lot. the president is to be commended for coming in and doing something with this mandate the american people gave him. he's not sitting in the oval

office doing nothing. he's doing the american people's business, and i think you'll see a lot of good effects from it. >> a lot of these announcements have yet to take effect. the president did say he wants to do something with an executive order in relation to federal emergency response. he said he may reform for eliminate fema, instead of sending emergency responders, he may send a percentage of money to states to take care of themselves. but fema has specialized expertise some of these states don't have. >> oh, margaret, i wish -- >> states are lower income states, the mississippis, the kentuckies, the alabamas, be able to do this for themselves without federal help? >> the president is not saying we're going to leave anybody behind. he's saying the way we administer these resources, some of which is coming from the federal and state level, we have to get the bureaucrats out of the way and get the aid to the people who need it most. let's be honest, you talk about the expertise from fema.

fema in north carolina, in california, in florida with some of the hurricanes has off been a disaster. and it's not because we don't have good people at fema, it's because bureaucratic, red tape and garbage prevents the rapid deployment of resources to the people that need it the most. >> but the states are now going to have to do this themselves? >> the president is encouraging us to reform the way we deliver emergency response. >> so don't take him literally? >> we should take the president at his word that fema needs reform. when i went to north carolina as vp-elect, but before we were sporn in, people would talk about how fema would give resources to a warehouse, but n warehouse to the people in the mountains who are starving and thirsting to death. we can do so much better and you believed donald trump's leadership, we will. >> but they work with the state and local officials. >> they often don't work well enough. and, again, that's not

because -- the fema management officials don't work well enough with the state and local officials to get resources to the people who need it. we should expect -- and this is one of the fundamental premises of president trump's leadership, the american people should expect more of their government. when there's a terrible disaster, they should expect food, medicine, and water to get to the people who need it. when there's a terrible fire in california, the fire hydrants ought to turn on. i am sick of the american people having such low expectations for their government. they should demand more of us, because it's the greatest country in the world, and that's what donald trump's leadership promises to bring back. >> so still count on the federal government but watch that space. another area that you campaigned on quite a lot, and there was a flurry of activity on, and thats a to do with immigration. the u.s. conference of catholic bishops condemned some of the executive orders signed by president trump, specifically those allowing immigration and customs enforcement to enter

churches and schools. do you personally support the idea of conducting a raid or enforcement action in a church service, at a school? >> let me address this. of course if you have a person who is convicted oh of a violent crime, whether they're an illegal immigrant or not, you have to get that person to protect the public's safety. that's not unique to immigration. but let me just address this particular issue, margaret, because as a practicing catholic, i was heart broken by that statement. i think the u.s. conference of catholic bishops needs to look in the mirror a little bit and recognize when they receive of $100 million to resettle illegal immigrants, are they actually worried about their bottom line? we're going to enforce immigration law, protect the american people. donald trump promised to do that, and i believe the u.s. conference of catholic bishops, if they're worried about the humanitarian cost of immigration

enforcement, let them talk about the children who have been sex trafficked because of the wide open border of joe biden. let them talk about laken riley who were brutally murdered. let me ask this question, separate the immigration issue. if you had a violent murderer in a school, of course i want law enforcement to get that person out. >> of course. >> so what's the point of the question? >> you changed the regulation this week, that's the point of the question, giving the authority to go into churches and schools. >> we empowered law enforcement to enforce the law to protect americans. >> but that has a chilling effect to people not to send their kids to school. >> i hope it has a chilling effect on illegal immigrants coming to our country. >> you think the u.s. conference of catholic bishops are actively hiding criminals? >> i think the u.s. conference of catholic bishops has not been a good partner in common sense immigration enforcement that the

american people voted for. i hope as a devout catholic they'll do better. >> there are five legal challenges to one of the other immigration actions, the order on birthright citizenship. a federal judge, appointed by ronald reagan, has some conservative credentials, paused the orders and birthright citizenship calling it blatantly unconstitutional. how do you reconcile this? >> i disagree with that judge, and some of these things will be litigated. but here's the basic idea of president trump's view on this. if you are a lawful permanent resident or a legal immigrant who plans to stay, your children of course should become american citizens. but let's say you have a child of an ambassador -- >> but that's not part of it. >> that is an important principle -- we're saying that should apply to anybody who doesn't plan to stay here. if you come here on vacation and

have a baby, that baby doesn't become an american citizen. if -- it's a very basic principle and american immigration rawlaw that if you t to become an american citizen, and the american people have welcomed you into our national community, then you become a citizen. but temporary residents, people here legally or illegally and don't plan to stay, their children should. become american citizens. i don't know any country that does that. >> this is a country founded by immigrants. >> this is a country -- this is a very unique country, founded by some immigrants and settlers. but just because we were founded by immigrants doesn't mean 240 years later we have to have the dumbest immigration policy in the world. no country says that temporary

visitors, their children will be given the blessings of american citizenship. america should look out for the interest of our citizens first. that mean it is you're here permanently and lawfully, your kid becomes an american citizen. if you're not here permanently, if you're not subject to the jurisdiction of the united states and don't plan to be, why would we make those people's children american citizens permanently? >> i want to ask you about refugee admissions. that has nothing to do with the u.s. border. r refugee screens takes 18 to 24 months, left at the airport were thousands of afghans who, some of whom had worked with the united states government and were promised to come here. when you talked to us in august, you said i don't think we should abandon anybody that's been properly vetted and stand by with us. >> i don't think all of these refugees have been properly

vetted. there are cases that people were properly vetted and planned terrorist attacks against our country. so not all of these foreign nationals -- >> but there are 30,000 people in the pipeline, afghan refugees. >> my job is to look after the american people, and now that we know that we have vetting problems with a lot of these refugee programs, we absolutely cannot unleash thousands of unvetted people into our country -- >> these people are vetted. >> just like the guy that planned a terrorist attack in oklahoma. he was allegedly properly vetted. clearly he wasn't. i don't want my children to share a neighborhood with people who are not properly vetted. because i don't want it for my kids, i'm not going to force any other american's kids to do that either. >> that was a particular case. it wasn't clear if he was radicalized before he got here. >> i don't care. i don't want that person in my country and most americans agree

with me. >> we'll be back in one minute with more of our interview with vice president vance. gh risk of another attack. with his risk factors his recommended ldl-c level should be below 55. are you at risk? learn how to get a free ldl-c test at attackheartdisease.com.

we are we're back with more from our conversation with the vice president. two weeks ago you were on fox news and said, if you protested peacefully on january 6th and hat merrick garland's justice department treat you like a gang member, you should be pardoned. if you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn't be pardoned. did you counsel the president against these blanket pardons for 1500 people? >> margaret -- >> including those that committed violence. >> i notice you cut off the thing i said immediately after that. the full quote is, of course, there are gray areas. here's the nature of the gray area. merrick garland's justice department denied protections in the prosecutions. there were double standards how sentences were applied. what the president said consistently on the campaign is

that he was going to look at it at a case by case basis, and that's what we did. we looked at 1600 cases, and there was a massive denial of due process of liberty and a lot of people were denied their constitutional rights. the president believes that. i believe that, and i think he made the right decision. >> daniel rodriguez used an electro shock weapon against a policeman by plunging it into the officer's neck. he was imprisoned, sentenced to 12 years. he got a pardon. ronald maccabee hit a cop and held one down on the ground as others assailed the officer for 20 seconds causing a concussion. if you stand with law enforcement, how can you call these people unjustly imprisoned? >> margaret, you're separating -- there's an important issue here. there's what the people actually did on january 6th, and we're not saying that everybody did everything perfectly. and what did merrick garland's

justice department do, and unjustly prosecuting well over 1,000 americans in a way that was politically motivate. >> is violence against a police officer justified? >> it is not justified, but that doesn't mean that you have the weaponized justice department expos you to incredibly unfair process, to denial of constitutional rights, and frankly to a double standard that was not applied to many people, including the black lives matter rioters who killed over two dozen people and never had the weight of a weaponized justice department come against them. the power of pardon is not just for angels. we love our law enforcement, and want people to be peaceful with everybody, but especially with our good cops. that's a separate issue from what merrick garland's justice department did. we rectified a wrong, and i stand by it. >> i'm being told we're out of time, but i want to ask you, the richest men in the world were at

the capitol on inauguration day. in august you told us google and facebook are too big. we ought to take the teddy roosevelt approach, break them up, don't let them control what people are allowed to say. they have now donated to the trump inauguration. are you still going to break up big tech? >> you know who else was at the inauguration was my mom and a lot of people that supported the president. >> they donated $1 million each to the inauguration. >> there are a lot of people that didn't give $1 million that were on that stage. but, look, we believe fundamentally that big tech does have too much power, and there are two ways they can go about this. they can either respect americaamerican constitutional rights, they can stop engaging in censorship. and if they don't, donald trump's leadership won't look kindly on them.

>> so they're still on notice? >> they're very much nonnotice. >> we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us.

we turn to we turn now to ohio republican congressman mike turner. a lot to get to with you. i want to ask you about this breaking news that president trump fired 15 inspectors general, those are the federal watch dogs who monitor for waste, fraud and abuse. he didn't give 30 days notice as legally required. does this concern you that the agencies can't police themselves? >> this is very common that there is turnover when a new president comes in, to do a review of what's happening in these agencies and the igs. i think there will be a review as they put these individuals back, and some of the individuals will be replaced obviously. but clearly, they need to bring in their own team and look at what the performance is for these individuals. it's very common that specifically these positions be replaced. >> so you're not concerned that these are just going to be

loyalists? >> every administration replaces them. so in the end -- what i have seen and i think what we have seen throughout the -- all administrations, these tend to be incredibly professional individuals that are great watch dogs. we'll see that from this administration. >> what should happen now that the cia has released this low-confidence assessment that there was a research experiment versus a naturally occurring virus that resulted in the covid pandemic? >> the biden administration has been an impediment to getting to the answer here. congress passed, and the biden administration signed and order declassifying the information concerning the lab leak theory and the issues with respect to covid origins, and the administration still refused to release it. i think this is a great start, and really it's been unfortunate that the administration has been slow. this is a good turning point, because clearly, this was not a natural origin. >> we have more to talk about on

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