welcome back to "face the nation." we return to our conversation with congressman mike turner. to pick up on china, we have been talking about tiktok. the law stated that january 19 -- the supreme court upheld this -- that the owner would have to sell tiktok to an american owner. inauguration day, january 20th, the ceo of tiktok, whose company seemed a national security threat was seated next to tulsi gabbard, the pick to run the intelligence community. despite this national security law -- you can see the picture right there. mr. trump seems to have given them a reprieve. the editorial board of "the wall street journal" says there's a biden-like disdain. what do you make of the decision? >> let's be clear, tiktok is

absolutely a national security threat. the law passed by congress that came out of the house china select company that was chaired by michael gallagher, that drafted this law, found that tiktok was a national security risk because of two things. its access to data and its ability to use itself as a propaganda tool by china itself. the laws in china that allowed china to compel tiktok to manipulate itself, its data and its use of propaganda. the supreme court upheld this. it remains a national security threat. because of that, the united states congress -- the law that is the law of the land says that they need to divest themselves. the only thing that would protect us is divest titure.

elon musk said -- he noted that twitter, his x, does not have access to china. that's sort of an admission by china as to what they're doing with tiktok. they won't let twitter or x in, almost an admission as to what they are doing. they said, we won't sell it. it's not a business. it's a propaganda tool, access to data. >> donald trump is not convinced of that. he issued an executive order saying he will figure out a deal. >> he said -- we hope that he gets a deal that recognizes the issue of national security. >> there's over 200 days to come to the day. >> there's no role -- >> they're not selling. >> there's no role. that's what they said. there's no role in which they can remain active in which china can have access. i commend to people the supreme court decision. it lays out in detail the

national security threat. if the data -- if the app is on your phone, they have access to the data on your phone. president trump -- >> outside of the app? >> outside of the app. even the threat is to access that your phone has to other app and other data. that's why governments have prohibited the app being on government phones. u.s., uk. india has banned the app in its country. there's the propaganda aspect how this can be manipulated. romania set aside its presidential election because of concerns that tiktok has manipulated data and propaganda with respect to the presidential election. grave concerns as to what can be done with this -- with tiktok. >> i want to ask you as well about what's happening on capitol hill. you have been on this program many times as chair of the house intelligence committee. speaker johnson ousted you from

that position as chair recently. what can you share about -- with us about the conversation you had and the explanation? you have run it in a bipartisan way. >> yes. i think bipartisanship is incredibly important. after i had the conversation with the speaker, you and i spoke. the speaker related certainly as we discussed that an element included concerns from mar-a-lago. he walked that back. president trump's staff has been in touch with me. >> he denied it. >> president trump's staff has been in touch with me and said that that was not the case. one thing he has said is that he wanted to take the committee in a different direction. i'm concerned because his different direction indicates pursuing the elusive deep state. my concern is the focus should be on the committee of national security, which is what my focus has been. state actors, non-state actors, those individuals who want to do our country harm. there are bad actors and people

we need to pursue. we have done so. we find there are laws that need to be changed to pursue people to criminalize bad actions, we have done that. there are people every day who get up in intelligence community who work hard to make sure china, russia, north korea and iran are prevented from doing americans harm. we need to focus on how we can work together to make certain we protect our country. >> protecting the safety of americans is a fundamental responsibility. to button one thing up, when you say the white house and mar-a-lago said that's not the case, they didn't ask for you to be replaced, are you saying the speaker lied? >> i'm not going to say that. the speaker and i have a good relationship. has appointed me to lead the nato parliamentary assembly on behalf of the house. i am on the armed services committee. i will remain with a strong role in national security. i'm going to continue to focus on protecting the country.

>> the new chair has voted against ukraine aid. when you say the mission is pursuing the elusive deep state, what does that mean? weaponizing the committee? >> we will have to see as to what direction they go. i know that's a concern. >> going after the intelligence community? >> that's a concern. we will see what direction they go. i do know that national security is going to continue to be an area of concern. it was my focus. >> do you -- you are concerned that the oversight in the congressional branch of the intelligence community will not happen and will instead by focused in a politicized way? is that what i hear you saying? >> i know my focus was national security. that's going to continue to be my focus in congress. >> very good. >> we will have to stay tuned for the rest. >> very diplomatic. before i let you go, donald trump pulled security details from those who face active threats from iran, including the

former cia director and secretary of state. would you ask him to reconsider that in. >> i'm concerned for mike pompeo. >> mike turner, thank you for your time. we will be right back.

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we are joined by colorado democratic congressman jason crowe. good morning. >> good morning. >> there's so much news this week. i want to pick up on the conversation about january 6 that we had with the vice president. you have spoken about your experiences that day in very vivid terms. you talked about helping other lawmakers shelter. they were fearing for their lives. to help them put on gas masks. the picture of you that day, even fighting your way out of the chamber since you had combat experience. what's your response to the vice president's defense of pardoning some of the violent offenders? >> i don't want to hear donald trump or j.d. vance or anyone else in this administration talk about backing the blue, talk about supporting law enforcement when they released over 1,000

cop beaters, people who brutally beat our law enforcement. i was there. i saw it firsthand. america saw it firsthand. the video is available for anybody to view. the brutality, the injuries. over 150 of the officers still have injuries, several of whom lost their lives because of the injuries and trauma incurred on that day. we even had the fraternial orde of police come out and issue a statement condemning the pardons. clearly, they are not interested in supporting law enforcement. this was a political decision. a repugnant one at that. >> i have to address the elephant in the room. monday hours before leaving office, joe biden then still president pardoned his own siblings and their spouses, even though they have not been charged with crimes. tim kaine said the decision makes it harder for democrats to stan on the high ground and make a critique of the trump pardons.

do you agree? >> i think what happens here is that it shows very clearly the decision of an outgoing president to try to protect his family when you have an incoming president and those around him threatening his family. that is the story here. you have donald trump, who has doubled down, tripled down on threats against joe biden, on threats against outgoing administration officials, simply for doing their job in many cases. this is a president -- president trump who continues to threaten political opponents and is making every move right now in the early days of his administration to try to put in motion things to go after and to use the force of government now to go after his political opponents. >> i hear you on concerns about retribution. you were plain spoken when joe biden pardoned his son hunter, who had been convicted of multiple crimes. in fact, you said in clear

terms, you thought it did create problems. >> yeah. in that instance i did. i thought there was a conflict of interest that undermined the integrity of the process. what i would like to see overall is pardon reform. very clearly, there needs to be some guardrails put in place and reform of the pardon process. i think most persons would agree with this, to make sure it's not misused. a lot is about the perception of america. people need to know that the person sitting in the oval office has their best interests in mind at all times. certainly not with donald trump right now can they have that feeling of trust and confidence, because in five days into this administration, the abuse is rampant. >> to go back to january 6, because there are comparisons being made. i hear your point on pardon reform, which is saying presidents need guardrails on this stuff, even if they are democrats. one of the people pardoned by donald trump was stewart rhodes.

he was released from an 18-year prison sentence for conspireing to stop congress's role in the transfer of power. he was at the capitol this wednesday after receiving a pardon. this is a man recorded having said in 2021 that he wished he had brought rifles on january 6 and he spoke about hanging nancy pelosi. how do you make sense of that? how do lawmakers make sense of that? are you concerned about political violence, not specifically just to him, but that this encourages more of that? >> i'm sitting here last week in my office on capitol hill and i turn on the tv and i see that a couple of floors below me, s rhodes, one of the heads of an armed militia group is having coffee at the dunkin' doughnuts. i felt uncomfortable about that. as did most of my colleagues. i'm very focused on public

safety. have i have been. you can not tell me releasing insurrectionists, criminals back on the street because it is what you did to placate your political base is making us any more safe. in an era of political violence, extremist, threats against members of congress have quadrupled in the last couple of years, none of this is making us safe. it's creating an environment that gives permission to extremists to be more bold, to assert themselves. we will see more of this. >> i want to switch to what's happening in colorado. aurora is in your district. that's a location that president and candidate trump talked quite a lot about, specifically as an example of immigration run amuck. he talks about the migrant venezuelan gang, tda, taking over parts of the city. something local officials have pushed back on certainly. they were designated as a

terrorist group by president trump. he started the process to designate them. what does that do for the people of auaurora? >> i pushed back fiercely on donald trump's lies. this is my hometown. i live there. i can tell you that aurora, colorado, is a place of pride and strength. we had a community of immigrants and refugees, nearly 20% were born outside of the united states. these are businessowners, these are friends. they go to school with my children. they work in our community. they grow businesses in our community. the rhetoric of donald trump, on campaign trail and now, demonizing these folks and telling gross lies and exaggerations is not only -- it not only impugns the reputation of a strong community but it makes those folks less safe. i will stand up over and over and push back against the lies. it does nothing to advance

comprehensive immigration reform which we need. anybody knows that our system is badly broken. donald trump is not making the moves to fix it. >> jason crow, congressman, thank you for your time. we will be back in a moment.

the cease-fire deal in the middle east appears to be holding. four female israel soldiers held captive by hamas were released along with 200 palestinian prisoners. if it holds, two american hostages are expected to be released in the coming weeks. returning to the subject of immigration, we are joined by cbs immigration and politics reporter, camilla ortez. i want to have you bottom line some things. i understand you have new reporting about some of the plans for migrants being deported. >> we can report the trump administration is working on striking an asylum agreement with el salvador to deport migrants across latin america to the small country in central america. this would be a so-called safe

third country asylum agreement that would empower u.s. immigration officials to deport non-salvadoran migrants to el salvador to seek asylum there and not in the u.s. i'm told one plan under consideration would allow the u.s. to deport venezuelan gang members to el salvador and have them house them or detain them. that would be a significant development -- breakthrough potentially for the administration. venezuela currently does not accept u.s. deportations. the administration is moving aggressively and quickly to really oversee a sweeping crackdown on immigration. we have seen the president invoke sweeping constitutional powers to shut down the asylum system at the border. he is enlisting the vast resources of the military to really enhance immigration enforcement, not only deploying more troops but using military planes to deport migrants.

yes, there have been so far 1,500 troops deployed to the border. one customs and border memo shows that that number could rise to as many as 10,000 active duty troops. >> there's so much that you just laid out there. secretary of state marco rubio will go to el salvador in the coming days. i imagine it's related to the news you just broke here. tda is the gang we were talking about with the congressman as well. in terms of how the u.s. military is being used, president biden left 2,500 u.s. troops sat the border. >> the work is not changing. what's changing is the number of troops on the ground. they are assigned to do operational work and to assist customs and border protection in an operational capacity by, for example, setting up border barriers to repel mie ggrants f entering the country. they are not to be used to arrest or process migrants.

as you know, longstanding federal law prohibits the use of the military for civilin law enforcement. that would include the enforcement of federal immigration laws. >> it's the optics essentially that this is -- >> it's a show of force by the trump administration. >> what in terms of the changes have occurred in terms of use of military? we were hearing about lots of deportations. now we are getting reports of military planes carrying migrants to guatemala. >> that's right. >> an attempt to columbia as well. >> the administration used military trplain planes to send columbia, the capital. we are told now the president of columbia objected to the use of military planes and blocked the deportations. this shows that the

administration will still face significant diplomatic challenges as it tries to oversee this aggressive immigration plan. >> the biden team was deporting to those countries. they were using civilian aircraft. >> correct. >> the military planes were the problem? >> it's a show of force by the trump administration. > bottom line, thank you. we will be right back.

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last week was a long and dramatic one, especially for the washington area. we asked john dickerson for his thoughts on one of the many actions taken by president trump, the pardons of the 1,500 who had been charged for their roles in the attack on the nation's capitol just over four years ago. >> every morning, capitol police officers make good on their pledge to ensure that lawmakers, citizens and the press can move safely through the capitol. they protect an idea that in

that building, passionate disputes can find peaceful resolution. each day their willingness to sacrifice honors this american system, whether violence comes or not. on january 6, 2021, violence came. they answered their oath's call. heroes emerged. the lawmakers they protected praised their bravery. >> law enforcement went in, they bravely confronted the terrorists. they bravely removed them. >> 140 officers were injured. some sustained brain injuries, cracked ribs and shattered spinal discs. in the following days, one officer, briawould die. four others would take their lives. a plaque was commissioned to honor them. plaques are made of metal because they are meant to be as durable as the message, do not

forget. a plaque transforms courage and sacrifice of an instant into lessons for the future in case lawmakers lose their way. the symbols of inaur guration d do that, too. acts of heroism in service of democratic ideals, nourishment from the past to the present. all serve one idea, that the voice of the people is honored through a peaceful transfer of power. on inauguration day, both parparty s applauded this. the share d commitment was more fragile. the president pardoned the 1,500 rioters, who had sought to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power on january 6 and overturn the vote of 81 million americans. among those whose crimes were

erases, those who had pierced, electrocuted and smashed police officers. the lawmakers the officers protected offered no defense. >> the president made a decision. we move forward. there are better days ahead. >> we are not looking backward. we are looking forward. >> the past is a nuisance, which may be why the plaque has not been hung. what message does that send to the officers who protected lawmakers on january 6 and still protect them today? perhaps the ideas behind their pledge are not meant to be commemorated in iron after all. but have become as empty as the wall where that promised plaque was supposed to hang. >> tomorrow is a new era. john and maurice will take the anchor seat. i will join them as needed. we will see you there. o course, i will see you every sunday on "face the nation."

i'm margaret brennan. thank you for watching.

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