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we leave you this grammy sunday with vocals from the white-throated bee eaters at kruger national park in south africa. i'm jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next sunday i'm margaret brennan. this week on "face the nation," president trump picks a tariff fight. federal workers brace for another tumultuous week, and the fallout continues from mr. trump blaming diversity policies for the midair collision of an army
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black hawk and passenger jet. washington at the rest of the world are waking up to what feels like a new reality show as president trump continues to make good on his campaign promises. despite the confusion and controversy surrounding some of them. we'll talk with the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee virginia's mark warner. vermont independent bernie sanders, and the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee republican brian mast. on the good news front, american keith siegel has a happy family reunion following his release from hamas captivity. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." good morning. welcome to "face the nation." one of the president's biggest campaign promises was to enact steep tariffs on canada, mexico and china. saturday night he did just that and the move has already sparked international backlash and sent chills through the financial
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world. we begin with senior white house and political correspondent ed o'keefe traveling wsecretary of state marco rubio. >> reporter: the president using a 1977 law to suggest there is now an extraordinary threat from fentanyl and legal im frags and all three countries are failing to address those challenges. starting tuesday there will be 25% tariffs on all mexican exports. 25% tariffs on most canadian exports. 10% tariffs on canadian energy exports. 10% tariffs on all goods from china. this morning the president acknowledged this could lead to higher prices, writing, will there be some pain, yes, maybe, maybe not. but we will make america great again and it will be worth the price that must be paid. >> can's prime minister announced tariffs on beer, lumber, wine, fruit, clothing,
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appliances. what else is coming that could hurt american consumers? >> reporter: well, we should anticipate there to abtit-for-tat because the orders that the orders that the president signed give him the authority to keep raising tariffs on the three countries if they respond in kind. that could be an uptick in inflation. now, the canadian prime minister justin trudeau spoke to americans last night warning the tariffs, quote, will put your jobs at risk, potentially shutting down american auto assembly plants and manufacturing facilities and canada's planned retaliatory tariffs will raise american grocery and gas prices. while trump accused mexico of having an alliance with drug cartels, they say they exist in the gun shops that sell high-powered weapons to criminal groups. china says it deplores and apposes this move and had take necessary countermeasures to deferred its rights and interests. it is planning to protest these tariffs to the world trade
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organization. >> ed, what's on secretary rubio's agenda in panama? >> reporter: yeah, you know, rubio the first latino secretary of state. so he is taking his first overseas mission to central america and the caribbean to reiterate president trump's concern that china now has too much influence over the panama canal. the panamanians insist they have full control. margaret. >> thanks, ed. we go now to virginia democratic senator mark warner, the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee and joins us from palm beach, florida. good morning, senator. >> good morning. >> do you have any sense yet what the cost of these tariffs could be for virginia, which does have a wine industry, for example? >> yeah. well, first of all, i think we might want to call this the donald trump super bowl tax with the big game coming next week. if you, you know, avocados, tomatoes, beer from mexico, prices going to go up.
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the question around cars, i read already about $3,000 of additional price on cars. up to $10,000 on trucks because we have actually integrated very well our auto production with canada and mexico. i think it's well about the fact that for years we have been encouraging businesses to leave china and near shore to a place like mexico. now that is going to end up costing consumers more. and for industries like ours, like the wine industry, where we are growing rapidly in virginia, those folks are going to get socked as well. so this is -- remember donald trump was hired trying saying he was going to lower grocery prices. two weeks in, he is doing something that is going to do the absolute opposite. >> we will track the impact of this trade war, senator. i want to switch topics. you are, as we said, the vice chairman of the senate intelligence committee. we watched that hearing for tulsi gabbard this week. she had two particular exchanges with republican senators.
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todd young and james langford, who pressed her to say that edward snowden was a traitor. langford said it was a softball. listen to what happened. >> did he betray a duty, did he betray the trust of the american people? which is according to mariam webster, that's the definition of a traitor. >> edward snowden broke the law and released this information in a way he should not have. >> was he a traitor when he took america's secrets, released them in public and ran to china and became a russian citizen? >> senator, i'm focused on the future and how we can prevent something like this happening again. >> you work closely with these senators. i know the republicans and you are from a different party, but when you speak to them privately do you think they can get over that, her refusal to call him a traitor and actually vote to confirm her? move her out of committee? >> listen, margaret, edward
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snowden released more information probably did as much damage to our intelligence community as anyone in history. and the fact that miss gabbard, who actually had legislation to pardon edward snowden, called him a brave whistleblower, couldn't call him a traitor is disqualifying just on plain judgment. what would -- what signal would that send to the workers or contractors? is she going to enforce the law if she called snowden a brave whistleblower? what i'm concerned about, our sharing of information with our allies, that's not written into law. that's based on trust. will they really trust to share their intelligence with us if she can't call out one of the worst traitors in recent american history as such, as a tralter. >> do you think she can make it to full vote on the floor of the senate? >> i know there are a number -- our committee is the most
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bipartisan. we check our partisan hats at the door. there is enormous maga pressure, as we have seen, put on senators who are willing to stand up. will note this coming week. but it's not just snowden. america's most powerful intelligence tools, a law called something we call section 702. she left us totally confused on views ton that and as well her lack of adjustment, whether it's going to visit assad head of syria, taking trips, paid for by sketchy groups or echoing putin's comments somehow nato started the war in ukraine. that is not the judgment of somebody that would run 18 intelligence agencies. >> we will watch to see those republican senators. i want to ask you as well about what's happening at the fbi and the justice department. president trump campaigned on this promise is restructure the government. seems like he is implementing that this week. between the fbi and justice department, we have seen at
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least 20 terminations. some are calling this a purge. but is it overstating it if we are seeing 20 people lose their jobs? >> well, if you were suddenly taking out the most experienced folks at justice or the fbi, how does that make a stronger -- and what he is saying is every fbi agent that somehow touched the january 6th investigation, that was a comprehensive investigation, i have been told there were almost half of all the fbi agents at least had some involvement. remember this was a case that was taken up against these rioters, all across the country. if you are suddenly going to get rid of all of those, that could be thousands. what does that mean for our cybersecurity? what does it mean for trafficking and stop against fentanyl and other drugs? what does it mean in terms of, you know, serious crime investigations. this would be devastating. >> well, that's -- our reporting is that the order was for a list to be drawn up of those 1,500 or so people who worked on those
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cases. we are going to try to get to the bottom of whether they are actually going to be fired. that's not clear. >> we have seen -- but we have seen you get your name on these lists. it's like trump's potentially illegal offer to buy out all the federal employees where we have no money in the budget for. we had a great tragedy in d.c. with the crash. >> yeah. >> we are already short air traffic controllers. if suddenly two or 3,000 air traffic controllers say, i am going to take this buyout, our airspace couldn't operate. and yet he is doing this so recklessly. >> is it offered to them? >> without legal authority. pardon me? >> is that open to -- >> say again. >> is to offered to air traffic controls? >> all federal employees, 2 million federal employees, this offer which opm does not have that authority to start with. that is who can came from. i can tell you with lots of federal employees, there is care
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os on steroids going on. and we had heard from trump's supporters, the omb director, for example, that he wanted to traumatize federal workers. well, that is happening. these workers are the folks that inspect our fruit, our milk, our eggs, you know, what happens if they all quit? >> i want to ask you, and i know many of those people live in the state of virginia. they are your constituents. your former partner on the intelligence committee, marco rubio, now secretary of state. he told a podcaster this week that the president made the decision to con sell security protection for secretary of state mike pompeo, who served in the first term, because he looked through a threat versus cost risk assessment. i know you are briefed on intelligence. did the threat from iran to assassinate former u.s. officials go away? >> no. i have seen no intelligence that
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would indicate that that threat has been diminished. >> secretary rubio endorsed this. >> listen, i have not seen any intelligence. and here i agree with my partner tom cotton, the now chair of the intel committee. we have seen nothing indicate less threat. also taking out, for example, down the security detail for former general -- chief of staff mark milley. this is about retribution. and he is putting people's lives in danger, which is just unbelievable. and i wish more people would stand up. >> senator, thank you. >> thank you, margaret. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us. the same way, you have... the fearless investor. the type a cpa. the boot strapper. the boot maker. hee-ha. but many do have something in common. we all trust schwab with our wealth. thanks to our award-winning service, low costs and transparent advice,
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tariffs that were announced overnight by president trump. you know there is a free trade agreement with mexico and canada. president trump negotiated it during his first term. the tariffs may violate that deal. if he's invoking tariffs on a national security basis, can you explain the threat posed by canada? >> yeah, and president trump said it was specific in his executive order outlined specifically related to fentanyl, specifically related to human trafficking, and there is a trust verify situation -- >> to canada? >> through canada as well. absolutely. fentanyl through canada. human trafficking through canada. all with china in that mix for fentanyl as well-. that was specifically outlined in it. until that comes to an end, this is what's going to be on the table. bear in mind that usmca reauthorization is coming up in the months and years. >> you don't believe this violates the trade agreement? >> the violation has been to the
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united states of america. it's been to our sovereignty, to our -- >> congress votes on these things. >> and i will make sure certainly as the foreign affairs chairman we give authority to make sure that this moves forward as well as purging of people throughout the state department, other agencies where we are freezing aid. these are very important and necessary to make sure we secure america and weare going to support that. >> can i follow up on what you said there? >> please do. >> you want to authorize purging of state department personnel? what does that mean? >> if you look at it's state department where dei is a priority over, let's say, diplomacy in many accounts, i can give you hundreds of examples -- >> what proof do you is of that? >> let's list them. $500,000 to expand atheism in nepal. $50,000 to do a transgender operate in colombia. $47,000 to do an lbgtq trans comic book in peru. $20,000 to do drag shows in
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ecuador. shall i continue with more examples? >> certainly. sheems like there could be a review of things. foreign aid is less than 1% of the entire federal budget. we are talking small amounts of money by comparison. >> we are still talking about tens of billions of dollars. if you want to go on the other side of the aisle, samantha powers had a worthy goal, although stupid, said she was hoping to get the amount of foreign aid, u.s. aid dollars it that go to actual aid up to 30 cents on the dollar from 10 cents on the dollar. it that's a major problem we had this agency that's all that goes abroad -- >> i think that -- i think you are talking about the usaid -- >> yes. >> aid agency which is a separate from the state department currently and has about $40 billion worth -- >> likely going to be rolled more closely -- >> tell me about that. that's why i was going. how has the trump administration infield you of plans to dismantle or shrink this agency? >> this is something i am
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working on specifically in conjunction with secretary rubio to make sure that there is the roept appropriate command and control of these agencies to make that same point. right now -- >> there are reports of secretary of state -- >> 10 to 30 cents on the dollar is what goes to aid. there is not the right amount of command and control that's going on with the way that it's set up currently. >> congress -- >> the other point -- >> congress authorizes and earmarks -- >> most of these dollars that go out of u.s. aid, 70 plus% not from u.s. farmers, growers, ranchers or ports. that's another big problem for america. >> so, i'm sorry. congress already earmarks the funding. to be very clear, you are not endorsing getting rid of usaid as a separate department? which already reports to the secretary of state, are you? >> i would be absolutely for, if that's the path we go down, removing usaid as a separate
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department and falling under the other parts of the department of state because its -- i went over the numbers twice with you, in the amount of aid that actually makes it into the hands -- you could almost say this is a little bit hyperbole, there is probably more dollars towards state dinners around the d.c. beltway than what actually goes into rice and beans abroad. that's the state of what's going on with usaid. samantha powers said so. >> i think every administration authorizes reviews, increase efficiencies, plenty propose it being under the state department. madeleine albright tried to do that. that's not a new maga idea. the question is how do you it. do you still believe that in the law signed in 1960s that congress has to sign off on any changes to usaid or do you think can ma
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president trump can make this happen through executive order? >> those examples that you gave of historical figures, the difference is now the job is going to get done. it's going to be 99.99% of cents on the dollar actually go towards what it's intended. >> you are talking about -- >> that's going to -- >> efficiencies and aids versus restructuring. let me ask you about that. >> that requires restructuring had 100%. you can't wish it into existence. you have to restructure where the failures are. >> of course. what we are hearing from many aid organizations and officials is that can you restructure after you finish the review and not freeze funding now immediately? i spoke to former usaid global health head yesterday. he said this isn't a pause in foreign aid, it is demolition of usaid. you can't pause a flight in midair, he said. that's what's happening. this immediate freeze on funding
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is stopping agencies in the field from being able to do the work they do. >> let's say why that is so important. let's talk about the real facts on the ground. the trump administration comes in or representatives like myself that do oversight, the agencies will not tell us what they are writing grants for literally, or lie about it or tell the new political appointees under the trump administration i'm just not going tell you that. those things happen. so the way that you make them come and answer for where they are actually sending dollars is to say we're freezing that, we are putting it on hold. you need to come to us and explain what it is you are doing, why you are doing it and where it's actually saving life. guess what? when they don't explain, begs the question, why were they doing it in the first place. >> the contractors have to front the cash and go the u.s. government for reimbursement. when you put an immediate freeze, drugs don't get delivered, distributed, bond disposal units don't go in
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places like cambodia and remove ordnance. they are going to have to carry out layoffs in the thousands in the coming week. does that concern you at all? >> they will have been opportunity -- it doesn't because of the grift that has been going on to the american taxpayer, the american worker. that needs to be answered for. let's use an example. drugs going to individuals. there was a release of that hold that was put -- that was authorized but shouldn't be the case that the american people fund hiv and aids drugs for 20 million people across africa where many of these countries are working very correctly with our adversaries like china. that is an example of them taking us for granted. we need to be asking the question, should they be weaning off of this? should we be paying it for these very expense i have hiv and aids drugs. should the american work her be footing the bull. those are real questions. >> meantime, people need the drugs while you ask those
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questions. let me ask about air traffic controllers -- >> not with the leaders of other countries. the leader of kenya one step up and say, this is an example we need to step up for ourselves and show how we can take kir of ourselves. i believe that was the president there. >> another committee you sit on, transportation committee. the faa hiring policy for air traffic controllers including under the first trump administration offered equal opportunity to those with targeted disabilities, including as the president read hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, severe intellectual disability. the president singled this out, this policy, a adds a contributor possibly to the crash. do you agree with the diversity policy or do you agree with the president? i know you lost two limbs serving this country in afghanistan. do you hear those words and take offense to them?
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or -- >> no offense. let's unpack it. number one, aisle use myself as an example. there are things that i am but flying an aircraft to stick with the subject at hand would not be one. i could fly a personal aircraft. to put me in charge of 150 lives, that would not be the right case for me personally given my physical disabilities and foot pedals on aircraft. to go to the diversity side and the crash, yes, there were very real errors that took place both in the air traffic control tower and with the helicopter pilots it seems. but more storm systemically is there a hiring problem across all federal agencies to include the faa where they made the priority diversity and inclusion instead of excellence and performance? yes, that's the case. they made the priority appearance and lifestyle and not the big deal. >> congressman, thank you for your time today.
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>> we go now to bernie sanders from burlington, vermont. good morning to you, senator. very quickly, to you have a sense of the impact of these tariffs on your state? >> well, it's going to be very severe. but this is not the only thing that worries me. margaret, we are living in an unprecedented moment in american history. we are looking at a rapid growth of oligarchy. we are looking at a rapid growth of authoritarianism. i fear we are looking at kleptocracy as well. and i am going to do everything i can to work with my supporters all over this country to stand up and fight back to make sure we have an economy that works for everybody, not just elon musk, and that we maintain american democracy. >> senator, i am have to ask you
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