>> john: welcome to "cbs evening news plus." i'm john dickerson. we're going to take it, that is

president trump's 4-word plan for gaza as he described a dream eating with jordan's king abdullah of the white house. jordan and other arab nations oppose the plan to displaced 2 million palestinians. weijia jiang will fill us in on the incomparable meeting and trump's new threat thomas. in our interview, author and journalist malcolm gladwell revisits his best seller, the tipping point, 20 years later with revenge of the tipping point. he tells us how he feels about being wrong. and our in-depth focus tonight, would you let computer drive you on the highway with all those trucks and the guy in the left lane? our kris van cleave takes a test drive with the machine driving. those stories and more right after our news headlines. ♪ ♪ speak of the economy is strong overall. >> john: jerome powell signals to congress an interest rate cut is not likely soon and addresses the trump administration's closing of the consumer financial protection bureau,

saying no federal regulator remains to make sure banks aren't treating customers. snow and ice are falling from the central plains to the northeast. washington and philadelphia could get up to three to 6 inches tonight. the gold coast states their dose includes thunderstorms and damaging winds. in the west, another atmospheric rivers prompting flash flood watches and concerns about mudslides and areas scarred by wildfires. russia released american prisoner marc fogel, the teacher from pennsylvania was arrested in moscow nearly four years ago for possession of medical marijuana. it's unclear what the u.s. gave up and return. the trump administrations has the releases is a sign that the u.s. and russia are moving towards ending the war in ukraine. ♪ ♪ the country of jordan is about 300 miles from the gaza strip but today in the oval office,

jordan's leader, king abdullah, was in the middle of the gaza strip's future. president trump are iterated that the u.s. will as he hopes take over the territory of the palestinians aren't coming back and the countries in the region will foot the bill for the whole operation. cbs's sr. lighthouse on political correspondent weijia jiang has been following the developments. you were in the room and we can see that snow lonnie quinn was talking about earlier is pelting down on the white house. how did king abdullah react to president trump when he talked about this plan to take over the gaza strip? >> reporter: john, inside the oval office, both king abdullah and president trump were practicing the art of diplomacy, not being direct with one another in the views they've previously expressed. so the king was asked very directly whether he agrees with trump's plan and he said well, i have to consult with egypt and other allies in the region. but after the meeting, he issued a statement to being clear and

he said i reiterated jordan's steadfast position against the displacement of palestinians in gaza and the west bank. this is a unified arab position. he went on to say that rebuilding because without displacing the 2 million people who live there right now should be the priority for everybody. of course, that is not exactly how trump sees it. >> john: how do they see it at the white house? obviously there's so many layers to this. what are you hearing from them at the white house about this meeting on this plan of the president's? >> reporter: the white house says the president was very explicit with the king of jordan. we don't know exactly what that means, whether he actually put threatening aid on the table even though in the oval office, of course next to king abdallah, he said i don't think we're going to have to get there but take a listen to this remarkable answer from the president himself when he was asked what power he has for the u.s.

to take over a sovereign territory. >> with the united states being in control of that piece of land, the fairly large piece of land, you can have stability in the middle east for the first time. in the palestinians or the people that now live in gaza that will be living beautifully in other locations. >> reporter: john, he was asked what power do you have any answered "u.s. power." of course that's not the way it works and he would be violating international law that to even try to take control of gaza, as he said. >> john: very briefly, weijia, the president said he wants hamas to turn over hostages by 12:00 on saturday. do they expect hamas to buckle or is it giving the green light to israel on more military action? >> reporter: president trump said i don't expect much happening with these people that we'll see what happens. obviously he is setting low

expectations for the hostage exchange. it's also notable that today prime minister netanyahu reiterated what trump said in a video message he said that if the hostages were not returned by noon on saturday that israel would resume "intense fighting." >> john: weijia jiang at the white house where the snow and the news comes in a downpour. grants from the national institutes of health have helped create breakthroughs in cancer treatments, heart disease, and vaccine development by scientists from some of the nation's top medical labs are warning that the trump administration's plan to cut 4 billion in funding for equipment and research staff known as indirect costs could jeopardize medical progress. cbs's medical contributor dr. celine gounder joins us. thank you for joining us. let's start with what research is in jeopardy. >> when we are talking about these indirect costs, imagine you're making dinner for your family. you stop at the grocery store,

but you still can't make dinnert dinner without a and pans, without electricity, water. that's of those indirect costs are for science. without all of that other support, you can't do science. >> john: what with the impacts they were the effects be outside of the scientific community from this move. >> this would impact all science funded by the nih and outside of that but there are real economic impacts. the nih supports over 400,000 jobs across the country, creates over $90 billion in new economic activity so for every dollar of nih research funding you get $2.50 back in new economic activity. >> john: where do you think americans would start to recognize this in the way, in the health field or any other way? >> you probably will see a delayed effect in terms of the science but it's all the people

that are employed by academic medical centers, not just scientists. security guards, janitors, the folks in i.t. support. you're going to see a lot of job cuts. in academic medical centers, those especially reliant on these funds and in some communities like durham, indianapolis, cleveland where the academic medical centers are the primary employer, those communities could be hit very hard. >> john: what about the next generation, people inspired to go to medicine, how might that affect them. >> being a scientist is not a very lucrative job and takes years of training. you really want to have to do this and when you look at that and consider i might not even have a job at the end of the day, it makes people think twice about whether they want to consider a career in science. >> john: dr. celine gounder, thank you so much. federal safety investigators have rushed to the scene of the crash on the scottsdale runway. kris van cleave is there and

reports the probe into what happened may center on the planes landing gear. >> reporter: this dramatic video from monday afternoon will be at the center of a national transportation safety board investigation as it appears to show the left main landing gear collapsing, sending the plane veering off the runway before slamming into a parked gulfstream 200. team of five ntsb investigators is working to understand what went wrong. >> maintaining altitude. we just had an emergency. >> reporter: firefighters were on scene within a minute but the collision killed one person and two others were rushed to the hospital with critical injuries a third was transported with nonlife-threatening injuries. another person was evaluated at the scene but walked away. >> our thoughts and prayers for the individuals on the aircraft. it's certainly a tragedy that occurred.

>> reporter: the leer 35a is owned by motley crue lead singer vince neil but he was not onboard. built in 1989, it was coming from austin, texas. preliminary site data shows its last reported speed at around 63 miles an hour as it veered off the runway. you can see how it came to rest at an angle. that's another sign of the rear left landing gear collapsed. one of the things the ntsb is certainly going to look at is the maintenance history of the airplane to see if that yields any clues as to why the gear would fail like it did. after a troubling two weeks of aviation accidents that have killed 85 people, starting with the deadly midair collision in washington, d.c., more unanswered questions for ntsb investigators to unravel. kris van cleave, cbs news. scottsdale, arizona. >> john: and now, three things to know. a growing number of grocery stores are limiting egg purchases due to the nationwide outbreak of avian flu. trader joe's is restricting sales across the country and

there are reports that some costco and whole foods stores are doing the same. more fallout tonight from the trump administration's attempts to dismantle usaid. the inspector general for the humanitarian aid agency says nearly half a billion dollars in food aid is at risk of spoiling after funding was paused. the food is now sitting at ports and warehouses as staff await authorization to ship supplies out. pablo picasso reportedly said every act of creation is first an active destruction. a discovery in a nearly 125-year-old painting by picasso shows what he meant. stories in london using imaging examine this portrait of picasso's friend and found beneath the surface a portrait of a woman. which had been painted over. one theory beyond what picasso said about creativity is that picasso reused the canvas to save money. coming up on "cbs evening news plus," the benefits of re-examining old views.

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>> john: at some point you probably heard the albert einstein quote anyone who has ever made a mistake -- has never made a mistake has

never tried anything new. author and journalist malcolm gladwell has come to terms with what he got wrong in his best-selling book "the tipping point" and he got something new out of it. in our interview we talk to gladwell about the lessons learned from his new book "revenge of the tipping point." i want to start with the origin story of this book. when you started out, what was the book you intended to write and where did you end? >> it was the 25th anniversary of my first book, "the tipping point," the one that kind of made my name. we thought we would update it. it will be a simple process. we will put out a new edition and that will be it. i got kind of into it and realized i had so much more to say and so much has happened and i was so different and it made more sense to write a new book. >> john: i don't want to spoil too much for readers but give us a sense, explain to people what an overstory is. >> i was trying to understand why it is that certain ideas

take off and others don't, which is the same idea that fueled the first book. the overstory is that part it's the forest canopy. all the animals on the forest floor and they don't always look up and see what's going on up there. the thing that's happening in the forest canopy affects life down below. >> when people read "tipping point" are there ways in which they misapplied it or did you find going back and looking at it where you thought i leaned too much into it? didn't lean hard enough into that? >> when i went back and read what i wrote, i no longer found my account of why crime in new york city fell to be persuasive. >> john: what was that moment like for you as a writer? were you like, "that's great, i have a whole new field to plow?" or did you think "darn it"? >> i had a father who delighted in being proven wrong. he was a mathematician.

he was also just kind of someone who was more amused by the world than he was alarmed or shocked by it. and i picked up on that. i like it and i still think it's part of what it means to be a journalist. if you're out in the world and reporting and gathering facts in pursuit of some conclusion, when the facts change, your conclusions have to change. if you're not willing to change them, you're not a journalist. you're something else. >> john: we are going to go off on a road, sorry. but how do you teach that as a father or in our public life, how do we create a public view of information the way you just described? >> i think we need to be clear on the distinction between valus and ideas, that your values should be held tightly. they shouldn't blow with the wind. they should be things that from your earliest moral moments understand and believe in and you never give up. your ideas should be things you

hold lightly. it's fine if they change. think sometimes when we see someone change their mind about an idea we say oh, that's a sign their values have shifted. that's the mistake. but the ideas, if you think high taxes are good one day and two years later, you think you know what, i've been convinced they shoul come down, that's fine. that's your job. >> john: final question is a quote from your acknowledgments. the economist albert herschman and i'll read the beginning. "creativity always comes as a surprise to us. therefore we can never count on it and we dare not believe in it until it has happened." explain why you picked that quote, why that's important to you in your process. >> is anyone who has read any albert herschman knows he's one of the great figures of the 20th century. he's just a brilliant economist. he was deeply attracted to the mystery of the creative process.

and the idea that if we try to explain and predict our own behavior we will invariably be wrong. and i love that. i love the acknowledgment that when i started out on a project i have no idea where i'm going to end up and that's why i start out on the project, that's the fun. >> john: if you know where you're going, you're off-base. >> also it's boring. >> john: malcolm gladwell, always a pleasure. thank you. there's more to come on "cbs evening news plus" including this story. >> this is kind of the final frontier for autonomous ride hailing service waymo. i'm talking about the freeway. they haven't been able to take passengers on them. i'm kris van cleave in phoenix and i'm going to show you w

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>> john: the future of driving could be no one behind the wheel, at least that's what the autonomous driving tech company waymo, is hoping. to arrive at that goal, the company has started testing its self-driving cars on fast-moving highways. for tonight's "in-depth," cbs's kris van cleave went along for a ride. >> reporter: we are on a first drive on the freeway with no one behind the wheel. it's a glimpse into the future with waymo, the self-driving ride hailing service owned by google's parent company as it prepares to take riders on the freeway. >> the car stays under the speed limit, which is 65. >> reporter: riding with us is pierre krietmann. >> it's the number one request we get from our riders. >> it's a competitive disadvantage. >> for long trips, waymo is sometimes a bit slow. >> reporter: waymo operates

more than 150,000 paid driverless rides a week in arizona and california with plans to expand further to austin and atlanta in the coming months as well as add freeway rides this year. waymo's jacopo sannazaro. being able to operate seamlessly on the freeway is the missing piece to being able to do everything a human driver can do. >> you can put it this way, it's a step in that direction. >> that freeway is so important because it's all about saving time. freeways are usually faster than surface streets and that's huge when people are hailing a ride. >> cameras, radar, and sensors allow the car to see a full 360 degrees. what's the biggest challenge to getting the car to work well on the freeway? >> part of it is the speed because speeds are so high and the mistakes are so costly. it's really about never making a mistake. predicting things that can go wrong. >> reporter: is that the bar never making a mistake?

>> the bars is to make as few mistakes as possible and be safer than human driver would be. >> reporter: waymo cites data showing in over 25 million miles driven, its cars saw 72% fewer injury causing collisions compared to human drivers. but they are not perfect, as seen in viral videos like this one showing a waymo accidentally driving into a parade route before safely pulling over. >> waymo ran through the parade. >> the work now is focused on fine tuning to get its passengers in a faster lane. kris van cleave, cbs news phoenix. >> john: up in a moment, my thoughts on th

♪ ♪ ♪ >> john: in our interview this evening, malcolm gladwell said he liked learning from his mistakes. thomas edison, one of history's great inventors, who was born this day, believed that too. "negative results are just whati want," he said. "they are just as valuable to me as positive results." he also said "i have not failed i've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." you'd expect the inventor of the light bulb to have illuminating quotes about the power of curiosity, but these are just empty motivational sayings without proof that edison really practiced what he preached, that he could fail deeply and carry on. he did in fact have some bloomers. he opposed alternating current which he was wrong about. it became the standard for

electricity. but for sheer creepiness, edison's invention of a talking doll cannot be surpassed. in 1890, he introduced to the unsuspecting world toy figures containing a small phonograph inside, a technological marvel. they were a commercial flop because they were harrowing. just listen to them. [high-pitched garbled speech] one observer said they sounded like weird little demons. edison himself called them his little monsters. fortunately also thanks to edison, it was easier for frightened victorians and future generations to seek comfort from what scared them by turning on the lights. and that's tonight's "cbs evening news plus." billionaire is defending his efforts to slash the federal

government. another storm just about to arrive in the bay area. this is only a preview of what's to come. we're tracking it all on your first alert forecast. taking over the entire pool, the backyard with about two and a half, three feet of mud. it slid all the way inside the house. a north bay family still dealing with huge headaches when the last atmospheric river, why they still cannot return home with more potential problems on the way. plus, we're going to meet a group looking to protect the redwood in the south bay park, severely impacted by a major wildfire. >> and here is how they are showing the tree is alive, hollowed out by earlier fires. you can see the trunk of the tree, growing over, and will continue to grow over to close that over time. within the last few hours, president trump was joined by elon musk to