welcome back to "face the nation." the munich security conference is an annual gathering of heads of state and international security policymakers, it's one of the biggest conferences and one of the biggest topics this year was the war in ukraine. we spoke to two lawmakers earlier from munich, including

house intelligence committee republican dan crenshaw. we asked him about president zelenskyy's views regarding what's needed in a potential peace deal. >> i understand that he has asked not just for continued military support now, but security assurances in the event of a peace deal. what can you tell him about what to expect from america? >> well, i just came from a lunch where general kellogg spoke, he is the special envoy leading this effort to establish peace, and he's very clear that the kind of peace we are talking about is a lasting peace, which of course involves security assurances. part of that process is figuring out exactly what that means. even the ukrainians are talking about what that means. there is a variety of options, per se. i think the europeans have to play a huge role in that. one of the things that gets talked about a lot is european forces actually acting as a peacekeeping force.

the ukrainians clearly have a seat at the table and then the united states will be the intermediary as we try to establish a peace deal. but the europeans need to demand a seat at the table by being uncomfortably aggressive, which is something they haven't done. you should be threatening things to putin that actually make you uncomfortable because that's how -- that's the only language putin speaks is power. when general kellogg is at that table with putin he's only got a finite amount of leverage and there's only so much more leverage that the u.s. can impose and if anybody can do it i think it's donald trump. he said nothing is off the table, j.d. vance said that, nothing is off the table, economic, military. they will use the leverage they can. my message to european leaders is if we want a better outcome for ukraine at the end of these peace talks you need to be uncomfortably aggressive. you need to not just bolster your own defense spending because that's a long-term issue, a long-term investment, you need to be talking about

where you're going to be talking about actual troops on the ground. stop following our lead and take the lead. let us actually be holding you back. that would be an ideal situation and vastly change the power dynamic when dealing with putin. >> there already is a military security alliance known as nato. you are saying you think there should be something else or some other entity providing security assurances for ukraine? >> european soldiers. europeans send aid, send weapons, do the same things we do, they match it barely. my argument is you shouldn't be matching it, you should be doubling it or tripling it, it's your continent. zelenskyy gave a speech today and talked about a european army. there is a lot of talk about this. of course there's nato, that's a defensive alliance. >> right. >> that's not an army. we are talking about different things here.

the europeans need to come together in my opinion and have just a much stronger message towards putin instead of finger wagging at us about what we're willing to give or not give in a peace deal. again, i tell them, look, if you want a seat at the table, earn it. the ukrainians have earned it. the ukrainians have impressed everybody for the last three years, they've fought valiantly and courageously they've earned my respect. they earned a seat at the table. we listen to zelenskyy. >>you said president trump and vice president vance were clear nothing is off the table however the defense secretary pete hegseth did seem in brussels to take things quite explicitly off the table. he said the u.s. does not want ukraine in nato and that ukraine would not return to its pre 2014 borders which acknowledges giving up some of crimea and potentially the east. do you think offering concessions before negotiations begin is a good strategy here? >> i think you have to listen to the white house as a whole.

they walked those back and made it clear that nothing is off the table. so, no, you walk into a negotiation with everything on the table and i think that's exactly what this white house is doing. >> yeah. >> it's less than a month since this administration has been in power and they want to move fast. everybody is a little nervous, but i think they should be much more optimistic than they should be nervous. you needed a seismic shift here. this was not a sustainable operation in ukraine. if kamala harris had been president you would be going along the same lines which is basically funding this war until every ukrainian is dead. that's not an end that we can accept. there has to be some talk of negotiation. i will remind the american people, too, from our perspective, from american strategic deterrents perspective, even getting putin to that table to talk about an end to the war is massive strategic win for us because it establishes back our deterrents over time. >> do you know that he is actually committing to come to the table? we don't have a commitment to

actually negotiate from vladimir putin. >> no, we don't. you know what would be really helpful? what i said before, if the eu was uncomfortably aggressive about it. >> got it. >> again, putin only responds to power, this is what i remind western leaders here, too. westerners talk about negotiations and, you know, good moral values that we share and we believe each other. that's not how the east works. they only respond to power. >> so, okay, on that point vladimir putin it sounds like you would agree is an accused war criminal, he is a dictator, there is a warrant out for his arrest, you know, he invaded ukraine. he is clearly a u.s. adversary, but this past week president trump said he'd love to have putin back in the g8, which would make him, again, a peer global leader. president trump floated inviting him to the u.s. or even visiting russia himself. do you think any of that is appropriate? >> it's more appropriate than not talking to him for the last

two years which is what president biden did. who did that help? >> talking is different than inviting him to the united states. >> sure. i mean, you can parse is out however you like, but the reality is you're going to have to get him to the table somehow and there is a carrot and a stick approach. trump can use a lot of leverage and the europeans can use a lot more leverage but you also have that carrot approach and trump is good at that. he's good at flattering people in order to get them to the table. that is what we need, whether we like it or not that's what we need. >> but flattering a very brutal dictator who is pretty cunning, frankly, you really think that's a winning strategy? >> i mean, he's not that cunning, he has a war that has destroyed his society, killed hundreds of thousands of russians, he's made a massive mistake and miscalculation, he is not as clever as maybe we are giving him credit for. i think let trump do his campaign promise and play this out. nobody is going to take

advantage of donald trump. general kellogg made that very clear because that was a question europeans asked him, are you going to set out just to get a deal, just to get a deal because of the campaign promise. kellogg laughed at that. he was like there is no way -- there is absolutely no way that donald trump will be seen -- he will not let himself go down in history as having sold out to putin. he will not let that happen. he believes just for the sake of his own legacy. >> right. >> but he does care about lasting peace here and lasting european peace. >> i think you know some of the things europeans point to is the fact that the united states cut out our allied government in afghanistan from the negotiation donald trump cut with the taliban. they point back to that and say don't do this again. >> sure. i mean, and i criticized that decision, too, but this is not what's happening now. this is a vastly different situation. europeans have all sorts of opinions. the ukrainians i think are very optimistic as they should be. we've had some really good

conversations, very realistic conversations and i'm very excite and optimistic about what can happen her >> congressman crenshaw, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. coming up next, the top democrat on the senate foreign relations committee, senator jeanne shaheen. stay with us. mary. janet. hey! eddie. no! fraser. frank. frank. fred. how are you? support up to seven brain health indicators, including memory. when you need to remember, remember neuriva.

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administration. on the one hand you heard secretary hegseth saying they were going to take nato off the table, that ukraine needed to give up territory, and on the other hand you had vice president vance saying that everything should be on the table including the possibility of putting boots on the ground in ukraine. it's a mixed message. i hope that the upshot of that is that we are going to do everything we can to support ukraine. >> in terms of what congress can do, are your hands tied here or are some of your republican colleagues willing to put something, perhaps, in an upcoming defense bill, for example, that might help ukraine? >> well, i think that's one option. one of the things that we're talking about doing right away is making some statements on the -- the repossession of assets by russia that are held in the united states and in europe and the importance of having those assets go to

ukraine to help both with the execution of the military conflict, but also to think about rebuilding. again, there's bipartisan support, there was bipartisan support for the bill and there's bipartisan support to continue to try and ensure that those assets from russia get repaid to ukraine because russia is really the aggressor here and we need to hold vladimir putin accountable. >> you know, your republican counterpart, roger wicker, he is the chair of the armed services committee, was really sharp in his comments at munich. he was saying -- he was puzzled, he was disturbed by what the defense secretary, a member of his own party, had said about ukraine. he was very clear that what vladimir putin is doing, he said, is absolutely out of adolf hitler's playbook. those are sharp words considering the president of the united states says he wants to

meet face-to-face with vladimir putin and possibly bring him to the white house. >> well, they are sharp words and they are very much justified. regardless of what president trump may be doing to try and lay the groundwork for any future negotiations, the fact is there is strong bipartisan support in congress to help ukraine in this unfair war that russia has initiated, and i think senator wicker's comments are very important. >> at the conference you are at you are able to speak with european leaders. what are they saying to you about their view of america now? >> well, we had a chance to meet with representatives from britain, from canada, not a european country, but also very concerned about ukraine, with people from the balkan countries with president zelenskyy obviously and there is a great deal of concern about the u.s.

position on ukraine. at the panel that we had with president zelenskyy we talked about the importance of europe and the united states acting in concert so that we can hold putin accountable with sanctions so that we can -- so that there is no daylight between the united states and our nato allies and our european allies. clearly that's what vladimir putin has been trying to do throughout this conflict and we need to make it clear that that is not going to happen, that we are going to work together and we are going to support ukraine. >> does congress need to be any part of approving this deal president trump says he wants to take possession of some of the critical minerals that ukraine has inside their territory? he says he wants to use that as sort of repayment for what the u.s. has spent on weapons. >> well, i think there are some benefits to having the united states have some investments in ukraine. that's part of what a critical minerals deal would do.

it's not at all clear who -- who has possession of those critical minerals. some of them are in the eastern part of ukraine where russia controls the territory. some of them are owned by private -- actually oligarchs. there are oligarchs who own a number of those critical mineral sites. so i think those are details that have not yet been worked out and i have not seen the agreement that's been put in front of president zelenskyy. >> well, we know zelenskyy will be discussing that with other members of the administration. we will stay tuned on that. but i do want to bring up something that -- >> he -- >> sorry. go ahead. >> one of the things in our conversations with president zelenskyy, president zelenskyy reiterated not about ukraine without ukraine. he got reassurances from the bipartisan senators that he met with that we agree ukraine absolutely must be part of any

negotiations between russia and the united states. >> senator shaheen, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. both of our full interviews with congressman crenshaw and senator shaheen are on cbsnews.com and our youtube channel. we will be back in a moment.

last week seven federal prosecutors resigned in objection after the justice department directed them to drop the investigation into new york city mayor eric adams who is facing charges including bribery and conspiracy. in her resignation letter danielle sasoon the acting u.s. attorney overseeing the case said a dismissal amounted to a quid pro quo and that the doj, quote, proposes dismissing the charges against adams in return for his assistance in enforcing the federal immigration laws. in response then acting deputy attorney general vivae threatened her with an investigation into her conduct. joining us now is maryland democrat jamie raskin, he is the

top democrat on the house judiciary committee. this episode is highly unusual. is there anything that you in your role can do about this episode and what's happening inside attorney general bondi's justice department? >> well, the justice department is at war with its own attorneys, it's own prosecutors, and the whole episode is just saturated with corruption. it was a corruption prosecution and investigation, which led to a grand jury indictment against eric adams for bribery, conspiracy, other corruption charges. and then the new department of justice decided to squash the whole thing, basically saying to adams, well, we will drop this case against you if you engage in certain kinds of political or policy accommodations with us. and then in order to complete that deeply corrupt bargain, they had to try to coerce their own lawyers to do it, but of

course the prosecutors were saying nothing has changed in the facts of the case and nothing has changed in the law. in fact, additional evidence was found, meaning that they were going to revise and expand the original indictment, but instead they were told to kill it for political reasons. so, you know, this is an outrageous violation of the rules of prosecutors and an offense against due process in a very dangerous first move for the department of justice to be making under the trump people. >> mayor adams of course claims there was no quid pro quo and that none of this was wrong, but there was the lead prosecutor, as well, on this case who resigned in objection to what's happening, but it's moving forward here. this is all now in the hands of a judge. does he have leeway to prosecute? >> so first of all, just about danielle sassoon, i mean, that's a very conservative u.s.

attorney and she couldn't take it. i mean, you have the most conservative prosecutors in the country resigning in opposition to this steam roller on behalf of corruption, but it's not over yet because judge dale ho does not have to accept the withdrawal of the charges, the dismissal of the charges, which seven department of justice attorneys resigned rather than be involved in. the head of the integrity section, the head of the criminal division, five other lawyers said no way and they wrote very stinging rebukes of the attorney general and the department of justice in this case. so judge ho has to accept this dismissal, but he may not. he may go ahead and try to appoint another prosecutor to go ahead and, you know, go through with the indictment that was handed down by a grand jury. >> attorney general bondi says there's nothing wrong here, saying it was president biden's weaponized doj that went after

adams for political reasons and only after he criticized president biden's immigration policies. this is a fellow democrat. do you think he should be prosecuted? and how do you respond to that allegation? >> well, first of all, the attorney general did not cite any changes in the facts of the case, she did not cite any changes in the law because neither occurred, nor did she cite any irregularities in the investigation or the prosecution. >> you think it's all made up? >> well, then she's mimicking her boss, then, who just lies as a matter of course. one would expect more from the attorney general of the united states. you know, this whole corruption attack that is an attack on the department of justice for engaging in corruption prosecutions could be impeachable in a different political environment, but the fact that mayor adams is a democrat is neither here nor there for me. i'm against corruption across the board. it seems like donald trump wants to attract all of the corrupt politicians in america to his

side. >> so in the oval office president trump -- you may have seen this image -- he has hung a picture, a framed picture of the front page of the new york post that has his mugshot in it from that criminal case in new york. yesterday he also tweeted, he who saves his country does not violate any law. he seems to believe that all of those prosecutions against him were politically motivated and voters apparently didn't think it mattered. he was elected with a mandate. how do you convince the public that it does matter? >> the dominant objective of this administration is corruption and lawlessness. the first thing that they did was they sacked 17 inspectors general. those are the people who are actual corruption fighters within the departments and agencies. these are the people who ferreted out $91 billion worth of waste, fraud and abuse in the government. >> they argue it's within their

political power to do so. >> there's no doubt it is, but they sacked them. actually, it's not within their political power to do so in a lawless way. they have to notify congress first, 30 days in advance, and they have to set forth the specific reasons for why an inspector general is being fired. they never did that, and the reason, of course, is because they want to pursue agendas of corruption across the board. they're saying they're not going to enforce the foreign corrupt practices act. they are shutting down the consumer financial protection bureau, which has saved american consumers $31 million in bank overdraft charges, credit card late fees from corporations completely inflated and having nothing to do with the actual charges and so on. they're getting rid of anything in the government that supports consumers, that supports citizens against the rip-off artists who are their friends. >> and there's little democrats can do to push back because you don't have any political power. >> well, we're winning in court.

more than a dozen federal injunctions and temporary restraining orders have been issued against everything from their illegal seizure of computer data and every americans' private data at the treasury department. >> okay. >> to their illegal attempt to ban birthright citizenship in america. we're winning across the board. we are a country based on law. >> we will watch what happens in those court decisions. thank you, congressman raskin. we will be right back. [ car engine revving ] at ameriprise financial we know our clients are so much more than clients. they're conquerors and champions,

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