♪ we go now to senator mark

kelly in tucson, arizona. good morning to you, senator. >> good morning. >> you were one of the lawmakers who met with president zelenskyy prior to the oval office meltdown. senator lindsey graham later told reporters he had warned zelenskyy, quote, don't take the bait. do you think zelenskyy took the bait? is that how you understand what happened? >> i think he was cornered. he was bullied in the oval office. margaret, that makes us look weak. i think donald trump was trying to look tough. j.d. vance was trying to look tough. the only winner in that exchange is putin. who is a criminal, who is killing hundreds of thousands of ukrainians. so it was a sad day for our country. it was a dumpster fire of diplomacy. it should not have been done -- that kind of negotiation should not be done in public in front of cameras. when we had our meeting earlier in the day with zelenskyy, he

has this habitual gratitude. he was very thankful. the chairman of the armed services committee kicked the cameras out of the room before we started to talk. that's the way this should be handled, not what donald trump did. >> the treasury secretary who was just with us said you can't get an economic deal without a peace deal first. it seems the dynamic is changing in terms of what the trump administration is putting forward here. what was your understanding of what volodymyr zelenskyy's concerns were? >> i mean, his concern is that he doesn't have a security guarantee and he is being asked to give up minerals, that this is a business deal. margaret, we're about to celebrate our 250th birthday as a country. i didn't think we were just in it for the money. we are a country of values and principles.

we sta we stand with our allies. he needs security guarantees. i understand the economic deal and a cease-fire but the economic deal comes after the cease-fire. none of that makes sense. they need to get in a room, including with the russians -- have the russians given any indication that they want peace? our treasury secretary questioned whethe zelenskyy wants peace. of course he does. he has his population being murdered, raped, children are kidnapped. he wants out of this situation. he is having a hard time, obviously, negotiating this in public. by the way, his english is not the best. this is hard for him. to corner him in the oval office on that kind of stage was wrong. it makes us look weaker as a nation. it makes us less safe. >> you have been to ukraine a number of times. our last guest mike turner has been in ukraine a number of times as well. neither the president nor the vice president have at all.

j.d. vance, the vice president, said to zelenskyy, those are propaganda tours. is that what you did? did you go on propaganda tours? >> no. i went into patriot batteries and talked to the troops. every night they are defending themselves from missiles, trying to keep their population alive. i met with soldiers, some of which are amputees at this point. soldiers that just came from the frontlines to talk to me in person about what the situation on the ground is. i met with pilots there who were about to get their f-16s. we talked specifically about, how can you use this airplane in combat? i think j.d. vance, the vice president, it sounds like he is watching videos on the internet. to say to zelenskyy, you are not being thankful enough, i mean, zelenskyy thanks the american people all the time.

i got to say, margaret, if we can end this -- i want this to end as much as anybody. but it has to end in a way that the russians are going to respect. what was in the oval office yesterday was a demonstration of weakness. i can tell you, putin does not respect weakness. >> i want to ask you about the u.s. border. the number of migrants crossing the southern border illegally in president trump's first full term -- first full month in office plunged to a level we haven't seen in 25 years. this is according to data reviewed by cbs. this seems like this is good for your state. do these numbers prove president trump's theory is right? >> i think the numbers being down, that's a good thing. what we need long-term is a negotiation with the republicans on longstanding border policy. what the administration is doing, especially with i.c.e. raids in schools, with flying --

repatriating people who often aren't only criminals, in military airplanes for intimidation, talking about housing people on guantanamo, that's intimidation. it's good the numbers are down. that's a positive thing. we need a border security agreement. we need legislation. we also need immigration reform. talk about my state for a second. we have a lot of dreamers. they deserve a pathway to citizenship. we need some -- we need a plan for farm workers as well. >> secretary of defense hegseth is sending another 3,000 troops to the border, including an aviation battalion and striker vehicles, cbs has confirmed. these soldiers aren't allowed intere to intercept mie ggrants. i wonder how you feel about this. >> i don't feel good about it. the way this should be handled is if we could work together within the united states senate,

democrats and republicans, get the border patrol more money, hire more agents, give them more resources to do the job they'r supposed to do. when do you it with troops, that affects their readiness. this isn't what they are trained to do. they don't train to do -- the striker battalion doesn't train to do the job that they may need to do one day. i don't want to see us in a conflict around the world, anywhere. but what prevents is that for our allies to realize they're not going to win in a fight. when they see us doing police actions with the military, that's showing the rest of the world that our military is less capable and we are weaker. that affects everybody's safety. >> lastly, because you sit on the intelligence committee i want to ask you about something president zelenskyy said. he said in munich, ukraine has intel the russians are sending troops to belarus to use it as a launch pad military into perhaps not just ukraine but other european countries.

are you concerned about that? >> well, i am very concerned about what putin will do next. if he comes out of this and thinks he got a good deal and this was worth his time and effort and loss of life -- he doesn't care about russian soldiers. he obviously doesn't care about the ukrainians. that would be very concerning for me. i was in the baltic nations earlier this year. they are very concerned. that would be a staging ground for them to attack the baltics. >> understood. that's why we are watching it so carefully, senator kelly. i appreciate your insight. we will turn now to michigan congressman john james. good morning to you, congressman. >> good morning, margaret. >> i want to ask you about what's happening in your state with the economy and tariffs. staying on the theme for a moment, i know you have a lot of ukrainian americans in your district. you voted in support of last

year's ukraine supplemental. are you comfortable with the trump administration's decision to stop recognizing that russia started the war in ukraine? >> russia is the aggressor. putin is a war criminal. zelenskyy fumbled the bag pretty hard. all those things can be true at the same time. we absolutely must stand by our all allies. we need to give transparency and accountability to the american people. under the biden administration, billions of dollars were given away with little accountability. no mission -- i'm a combat veteran. my soldiers expected from me that i would be able to articulate objectives, a mission and an end state. the commander in chief couldn't do that. president trump is doing everything he can to get an enduring peace in eastern europe and throughout the world. he has ended one war in the middle east. give him a chance to end one in europe. >> there's developments on the mideast front that throw that into question. we will keep tracking that.

let me ask you about tariffs and michigan. you are in a unique spot in the middle of the auto state. this tuesday, expect tariffs on canada, mexico and china. that's what the president said. on march 12th, 25% tariffs on all imported steel and aluminum. auto tariffs in april. what is your district bracing for? >> look, america is open for business. we are not for sale. michigan remembers what nafta did. over the past 30 years, mexico built 11 major automotive plants to one in the united states. michigan remembers 900,000 automotive jobs back in the '90s to the 600,000 now. that's 300,000 lost manufacturing jobs in the automotive sector. michigan remembers the great recession where 50% of all the jobs lost in all of america were lost in michigan alone. michigan remembers the harmful ev mandates that have forced

compliance rather than allowing a regulatory environment that permits innovation. we lost jobs to mexico and china. my district, as you mentioned, the number one manufacturing district in all of the nation, overflow production is not going to sterling heights. when you look at opportunities missing, when you look at the fact that michigan is seeing its opportunities pass by, enough is enough. margaret, the status quo is not good enough for americans, which is why donald trump got elected. >> understood. >> he is putting americans first. even our allies have not been f playing -- >> i'm asking the specific tactic here. you brought up sterling heights. the republican mayor of sterling heights, your district, says the president's tariffs are the quote, single biggest threat to our local economy. he is expecting it to be deaf st devastating and staggering. this is a republican saying this. what's he missing?

>> the fact of the matter that we have been taken advantage of for decades. the president lowered corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%. he is offering lower tax rates to 15% for those who build in the united states of america. we are looking at energy independence. we are looking at lowering the regulatory burdens for folks to succeed and excel. what democrats are doing is they're going to make it more difficult when they vote against these tax reforms for small businesses to excel and for entrepreneurs to get their feet under them. regardless of what it is, when you look at the ev policies that joe biden put in place, that exacerbated the inflation, look at what work trucks. five years ago were $15,000 less than expensive. suvs, $8,000 less expensive than they are right now. >> did you tell the mayor he is wrong? >> it's terrible democrat policies. what's that? >> you are telling the mayor he is wrong? the ford ceo said in an investor

conference the 25% tariff would blow a hole in the u.s. industry that we have never seen. >> you know what? memory is short. when you look at the oecd nations, they are talking about leveling 15% tax on anything in businesses that are making $750 million or more. everybody should look at the impact that that makes on top of the tariffs that are imposed on goods made in the united states of america. no one is talking about this, margaret. we expect that these are -- >> the ceo of ford. >> you can talk to the ceo of ford. i'm talking with people when i visit factory floors. i'm an automotive supplier in america. i feel this pain. we have seen it too long. like i have said, we have been taken advantage of for years. we need to level the playing field. when you are not playing fair with america, then we have to do what we can to make sure we can compete on a fair playing field.

margaret, i think fairness is what we should be pursuing. i don't think that's wrong to ask for out of our allies and partners. >> the global supply chain, i know you know it well, is complicated here. the production goes back and forth. >> i understand it. i'm also in the automotive industry. >> what i'm trying to say is that, the cars go back and forth across the border multiple times. what is the construction of the tariffs that you think is actually going to be beneficial here? >> you know what comes across the border? fentanyl from mexico and china. as a result of these negotiations, mexico surged 10,000 of their own national guard troops to the border. as you were mentioning in the last segment -- i think it was great -- that border apprehensions have plunged to the lowest levels this century. this is working. mexico is paying for the border security. they are extraditing drug lords to be prosecuted in the united states of america. these are the types of things

that we are looking for. 84% of those on the fbi terror watch list are apprehended on the northern border. we are getting canadian cooperation. it only started when president trump started playing hard ball and talking about these things. we have a number of levers, diplomatic, economic and military. diplomatic levers haven't works. we're using economic levels to secure our borders. >> all right. thank you, congressman james, we have to leave it there. led peope off the street and asked them about their hearts. how's your heart? my heart's pretty good. you sure? how do you know? you're driving a car, you have the check engine light. but the heart doesn't have a hey, check heart sign. with kardiamobile, you can take a medical-grade ekg in just 30 seconds from anywhere. kardiamobile is proven to detect atrial fibrillation, one of the leading causes of stroke. the special edition kardiamobile red is available for just $79 for a limited time only. don't wait! get one for yourself or a loved one at kardia.com or amazon today. can neuriva support your brain health?

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♪ president trump's approval rating is 51%. still in positive territory, but by a smaller margin than a month ago. on his approval on the issues, it's a mixed bag. a slim majority of voters approve of his handling of the border and economy. a slim majority disapprove of his handling of inflation.

we are joined now by our elections and surveys director, anthony salvanto. you asked about a host of issues before this explosive oval office exchange. you did ask americans how they are assessing the conflict betwen ukraine and russia. what did you learn? >> good morning, margaret. look at ukraine and russia and the conflict and see a wider worldview tamericans have. aid divides us. democrats are more in favor. republicans more opposed. then you ask people, who do you support in the conflict? just over half support ukraine. the rest say, they are neutral. the u.s. should stay out. where this comes back to the administration is, the people who say they are neutral are more approving of how donald trump is handling. people who support ukraine feel trump's actions have favored russia in this conflict. look at views on russia.

the majority calls russia either an enemy or unfriendly. it's a little less so among republicans. then widen out to how the u.s. should act on the world stage. views of our european allies. by and large, americans call them allies or at the least friendly. great britain, france, germany, et cetera. what should the u.s. actually do? the big majority is, cooperate with allies on the world stage. those folks tend to be less approving of the changes that they see donald trump making to u.s. foreign policy. >> back to the key issue, the economy. how are americans s perceiving what the president is doing as well as the cuts to the federal workforce? >> start with the central premise about, is there waste in the federal government? by and large americans agree that there is. the difference is, where does it come from? if i ask people, is it poor

spending choices? is it fraud? you get more democrats saying it comes from poor spending choices. republicans saying it comes from fraud. then that goes into a split on the changes you make in the federal workforce, that divides the country. you start to see people looking at and wondering about what the implications of this might be. i ask, is this going to have an affect? a lot of people say, yes, it will have an affect on cutting services that they like, an affect on their local area. there's also just as many who say it's going to save taxpayer money, it's going to eliminate waste. when i see that wide span of answers, what my sense is, people are anticipating a lot of things. they are unsure at this point. they are definitely looking and waiting to see what they believe will be an impact. >> anthony, thank you very much. we'll be right back.

reaction from kyiv. >> reporter: president zelenskyy's warm welcome at 10 downing street couldn't have

been more different than his reception at the white house. >> what's your message to the u.s. president? >> he and the uk prime minister signed $2.8 billion worth of loans to ukraine. ahead of today's summit of presidents and prime ministers convened. >> european countries have to do more and provide a security guarantee. i have always been clear that that is going to need a u.s. backstop. >> reporter: this man is the chairman of the ukrainian government's foreign affairs committee. >> the issue of ukraine is a crucial key issue for european security. let's not forget the final goal of putin is not only destroy ukraine but also dominate whole europe. >> reporter: the spectacle of an american president and vice president berating the leader of a war-torn ally have left ukrainians reeling and european leaders scrambling to respond. it triggered delight from the kremlin.

>> i thought mr. trump can play the role of new fdr. now we can see that we need to think about european role and europe as a leader of the free world. >> reporter: there's another player here. that's russia. what do you think the mood in moscow is right now? >> i'm sure that they rejoice. putin counted -- he couldn't imagine that something like that, that a gift can happen. now things have changed. it emboeldens him. >> reporter: it shows no sign of letting up. there was another massive russian drone attack . >> the free world needs a new leader.

we spoke about what europeans are doing to help ukraine. >> we can coordinating. the message is, there are several layers. one is that the fight that ukraine is having is not only about ukraine's sovereignty, but it's broader. it's about freedom of the free world really. it's about the world where international law applies. the world where might does not make right. it's clear that russia attacks ukraine. there's one aggressor and one victim. >> the trump administration has decided now that not to say that exp explicitly, arguing the president needs negotiating room. do you think that's persuasive to vladimir putin? >> well, it is certainly a very strong russian narrative that they want to run to push saying that, it's a conflict between

two equal parties. it is very clear, one country attacked another country very brutally with force and is bombing ukraine every day. president trump says that he wants the killing to stop. i don't think that anybody wants the killing to stop more than the ukrainians. >> why do you think acknowledging who is responsible does matter? >> we have the united nations charter where we have agreed how countries are interacting with each other. it says very clearly that you can't attack sovereign territorial integrity of another. if you do, there are k consequences. it's important for small countries in the world, for whom this is the only thing that protects them, if we don't really defend this principle, then we are going to see these developments that we don't want to see. all the countries who are afraid

of their neighbors will want to go for nuclear weapons. this is the only thing that protects them. it's not the international law anymore. >> that's it for us today until next week. for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan. ♪ i need to feel your touch ♪ ♪ hey! ♪ ♪ baby, i'm tired of waiting ♪ ♪ go re-charge your batteries, ♪ ♪ come back to me and make your mama proud ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i need your arms around me, ♪ ♪ i need to feel your touch ♪ ♪ and i really want to talk! ♪ at ameriprise financial we know our clients are so much more than clients. they're go-getters and legacy-leavers,

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