i'm mo rocca. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." i'm margaret brennan in washington and this week on "face the nation," president trump's tariff threats rattle allies and adversaries alike. plus, the latest on the administration's immigration

crackdown. after a whiplash week of on again, off again tariffs, the trump trade war is entering a new phase as the president steps up his threats against america's neighbors. >> we don't need trees from can that and we don't need cars from canada and we don't need energy from canada. we don't need anything from canada. >> and acknowledges the possibility of economic disruption. >> there could be some disturbance, a little bit of disturbance. >> the administration says it hopes the tariffs will pressure canada and mexico to stop the flow of fentanyl, and illegal migrants into the u.s. we'll ask homeland security secretary kristi noem if it is working and we'll get the latest on the president's mass deportation mission. >> canada's ambassador to the u.s. kirsten hillman will be here. we'll ask her about the cost and consequences of the growing trade war. plus, with just days to go before a possible government shutdown, lawmakers unveil a new bill to avoid it. we'll hear from the co-chairs of

the congressional problem solvers caucus, pennsylvania republican brian fitzpatrick and new york democrat tom suozzi. finally, russia expert fiona hill who served as a top national security council official during the first trump administration joins us to discuss trump's diplomatic pivot on ukraine. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪ good morning and welcome to good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." we begin this morning with the secretary of homeland security, kristi noem. madam secretary, good to have you in person. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> i want to dive right into this trade war. the justification president trump invoked these tariffs under had to do with fentanyl. mexico's president said thursday that customs and border protection figures show seeds

seizures of fentanyl on the southern border have dropped. she claims they've dropped 75% in the past six months. it doesn't show the existing system is working. >> we've seen incredible progress as far as what we have been able to stop at the federal border since president trump has taken office, and i think that progress can be built on. these partnerships that we have in going after traffickers, cartels, the drug trade, and also human trafficking can be even stronger and built on in the future. that's one of the things we have been asking for, in specific to the mexican government, is how can we work better together to make sure we not only have the enforcement mission at the border, but south of the border, and make sure we're going after these cartels. you've seen the president name them as terrorist organizations, and canada just recently is starting to allow us to access their criminal background histories that we need to know who's coming across the border and what they're bringing.

because of their strong stance on tariffs, we're seeing them want to be better partners with us to keep our people safe. >> canada's prime minister said it's totally false to claim canada's unwilling to fight fentanyl. you just indicated they're willing to do more here. he pointed to cbp data that showed a 97% drop in fentanyl seizures from january compared to decembe, a near-zero low, he said. >> yeah. >> is the data accurate? >> the data is getting better, and i would say in the conversations that i have had this week with canadian officials, they were hoping to avoid the tariffs, and had a lot of conversations, but not a lot of action. so this is the hope is that the fact that president trump has said something and now has enforced consequences, we really are hoping for even better partnerships. we need access to their criminal background system so that we know when someone crosses that northern border, who they are, why they're in our country, and who they may be partnering with. we also need them to work with us on identifying packages, technology investments.

canada has said they will do that. we just want to see them actually do it. in the past, promises have been made by both mexico and canada that they didn't follow through on. they're naming fentanyl in canada is important. let's see whact happens. president trump has been strong and that's why you've seen the data going our direction, but every day, people in this country are dying of overdoses, and i don't want any more families to have to deal with that tragedy if it can be avoided and we can have a stronger relationship. >> so you just gave specific examples of what canada and mexico can do, presumably to avoid the tariffs that are now being pushed off till april 2nd. >> right. >> the commerce secretary said in another network, if fentanyl ends, i think these will come off, but if fentanyl does not end or he's uncertain about it, meaning the president, they will stay on until theis comfortable. is it that general or are these very specific things that you can kind of go through and check to avoid these tariffs? >> yeah.

i have had very specific conservations with canadian officials and mexican officials on what they can do. so they know what they can do to help avoid this in the future. if they do it, we shall see. we all recognize that each one of these leaders has political environments in their home countries as well, but president trump means business and he mental meant it when he ran to be president of the united states again, and since he's taken office, he will put america first, and every day in this country, we have seen over the last several years, violence and unsafe streets and cities and people lose their children and grandchildren, and he's taking action to make sure that we're cleaning up the mess that joe biden left behind, and that we have a much safer country, and where americans can look forward to the future. >> so this is not just leverage to get a better free trade deal? this is because donald trump believes that drugs are the

heart of his economic policy? you're saying this really is about fentanyl? >> it is, and this president also wants a strong economy, but this is about fentanyl and what we can do to stop the cartels to stop them from partnering with chinese officials, and bringing a poison into our country that is specifically designed to kill the next generation. i think a lot of people don't understand the strategy of these enemies of the united states, and what they're utilizing. they are bringing this in not just to make money. they're bringing it in here to kill americans and it's time that we stand up for the people that live here and make sure that we're stopping this war ge against our children. >> i want to ask you, border crossings. they're at a 25-year low. >> it's fantastic. >> there is border personnel working. there could be 9,000 now.re it e them there continuing? >> we've got partnerships with commerce, with the attorney general's office, you know, we're working every day with the

secretary of state. we'll keep them there until that border is completely secure, and we see all-time record lows of encounters. our border patrol is doing fantastic work, but we're going to keep them there until the whole world gets the message that this isn't joe biden's world anymore. this is president donald trump's country where we have a border, where we have laws, and it applies equally to everybody. i think that is what is so refreshing, is that we're not picking and choosing winners and losers anymore. americans have to live by the law. so do those who come to this country. you have to come here legally or there will be consequences. >> let me ask you about what's happening internally when it comes to -- excuse me -- migration. the administration has revived this policy of detaining migrant families, parents with children in i.c.e. detention centers. bush did it, biden did it, obama did not. are you seeing this? are you comfortable with it

personally? >> we've got detention facilities across the country, and there are specific ones built for fan pmilies if they a detained. everyone has an option. they have an option to be here legally or illegally, and they can self-deport as well. we've set up a website where people who are here illegally right now can register and they can choose to go home on their own and keep their families united. >> the kids don't have a choice in this. >> the kids do have a choice. if they have parents, they make a choice to keep their families together if they want to or not. parents make a decision to leave their children behind, then that's a choice that they made as a family, and we need to remember that when americans break the law, and they have consequences or face a situation, they're separated from their families too. i don't believe we should prioritize other people above americans. >> when it comes to reviving the policy of separating families at the border -- >> i don't think we're actually reviving it. president biden didn't follow the law. he didn't follow the law in the fact that it's always been

equally applied until his administration, and then he made decisions to ignore federal law in how he handled immigration and enforcement within our borders, and so today we're -- we're expanding our team at i.c.e., and we're going to have an acting director in todd lyons who has a long history with tom homan. they're working together to build on these enforcement operations. we're also naming a deputy secretary in madison sheehan that was going to be another expansion of this team. they've done incredible work cleaning up our communities and making them safer, adding more people to the team with todd and with madison, it's going to allow us to partner with local law enforcement fiofficials to make sure we truly are following through on enforcing the law, and if you break our law, there's going to be consequences. >> you want the number of deportations to tick up. >> i do, absolutely. remember, they have an option to go home on their own. we are giving them that opportunity to do that, and we will help facilitate that, and

if they don't, and they end up coming into our, you know, enforcement, tuopportunities th we have in front of us, we may never have the chance to come back. if they self-deport, they will have an opportunity to come back to this country legally. >> but you have a capacity issue right now in terms of just beds to put people in when you detain them. are you going to open up military facilities like fort bliss? >> this is a plan to use the facilities at fort bliss for detention facilities and we need to remember to ask -- congress needs to continue through with funding that this administration has asked for. you know, we clearly have a cr discussion in front of us this week. we have a reconciliation discussion. that reconciliation bill needs to happen. we have just weeks before we are out of the funds to continue the operations that we have, and even -- everywhere i have been in this country out there, looking at what president trump has done on immigration and border enforcement, the people that i meet are saying thank you. thank you for getting these

terrorists out of the country. >> terrorists. >> 22 known, on the terrorist watch list are out of this country now. we hae almost 700 gang members that have been deported out of the country. >> i see. >> in just a month. >> which have been redefined by the trump administration. >> 281 specific tda members which we know are the worst of the worst, have been tangken ou of this country. so everyone has a story like laken riley's family or jocelyn's family, they're extremely grateful that won't be perpetuated amongst other families in other state. >> i want to ask you. you said that you have found leakers within dhs and you're going to prosecute them. back on february 9th, you tweeted, the fbi is so corrupt. we'll work with any and every agency. do you blame the fbi for the leaks within dhs? >> no. i think there are leakers all over currently throughout this government. i think that everybody -- >> what do you mean? >> i think these and dhs specifically, these two were leaking enforcement operations

that we had planned and were going to conduct in several cities and expose law enforcement to vulnerabilitivul to those ops being jeopardized to where their lives would be in danger. they will be prosecuted and they could face up to ten years in federal prison because they did that. anyone who is leaking information outside of how something is planned for the safety of those law enforcement officers needs to be held accountable for that. >> and you're going to continue these polygraphing? >> absolutely. >> employees? >> the authorities i have under the department of homeland security are broad, and extensive, and i plan to use every single one of them to make sure that we're following the law, that we are following the procedures in place to keep people safe, and that we're making sure we're following through op what president trump has promised, that he's going to make america safe again. >> madam secretary, thank you for your time today. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be back in one minute. stay with us.

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the u.s. over president trump's tariff threats. senior white house and political correspondent, ed o'keefe has the latest from ottawa. >> reporter: well, margaret, president trump is now threatening tariffs on canadian dairy and lumber exports, even as he holds off on the broader tariffs on goods covered by the u.s./mexico/canada trade agreement at least until early april. this has mostly been a war of words so far, rather than a war over the wallet, but that's going to change in the coming day as ontario is now threatening to tariff electricity it wires to minnesota, michigan, and new york. >> i'm going to put a 25% tariff on electricity, the 1.5 million homes and businesses until monday until president trump drops these tariffs. he has to understand that he can't attack our country economically, and expect us to roll over. >> reporter: it's not entirely clear how the cost of those tariffs would be passed onto american households. amid the tariff war, there's

also a canadian transfer of power under way. justin trudeau announced he would be stepping down. his liberal party anoints a ske successor. it's a race between mark carny and christian freeland, a former trudeau deputy. who are wins the race becomes prime minister and has to deal with president trump and the tariff war. >> that was our ed o'keefe in ottawa. we're joined now by canada's ambassador to the united states, kiersten hillman. it's great to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> you just heard the homeland security secretary say there are conversations with your government. she seemed optimistic that there would be follow-through on fentanyl. does that make you think this threat of tariffs on april 2nd is something that can be managed and avoided? >> well, i hope so. i think that we are in a very good place in our discussions with the u.s. administration on

fentanyl. we have invested a lot of new resources. we have given our law enforcement new powers, and we have responded to the requests of the trump administration with respect to cooperative effects and sources. the organized crime and precursers to china. i would just say, i think it's important for your viewers to know, fentanyl is a very serious problem in canada too. on some days, we have more deaths per capita than you have here in the eunited states. we take this very seriously. it is not a big issue between our two countries. less than 1% of the fentanyl that is seized in the united states is coming from canada, but every ounce can kill families, and people. so we're taking it very seriously. >> but you are indulging the premise that that is the actual motivation for the tariffs rather than leverage for a free trade deal or just because president trump believes in them? >> well, i think that this set of tariffs, the 25% and 10% set

of tariffs are -- we have been told repeatedly that it is about fentanyl and security at the border. there are other tariffs that have been discussed, and the president has raised other issues as motivations for other tariffs, reciprocity and fairness and, you know, maybe some changes that he'd like to see to our usmca, our trade agreement. those conversations are going to have to happen as well. >> so president trump said friday he may put tariffs on canadian lumber and dairy monday or tuesday. here's what he said. take a listen. >> canada has been ripping us off for years on tariffs for lumber and for dairy products. 250%. nobody ever talks about that. 250% tariff which is taking advantage of our farmers. so that's not going to happen anymore. we're going to be -- they'll be met with the exact same tariff unless they drop it, and that's what reciprocal means. >> on another network, the commerce secretary said, no.

that's actually on hold until april 2nd. it's confusing for us to follow this. is the clarity with the two governments any better? >> um, you know, we are in active discussions with the secretary, and those discussions are heading towards april 2nd, and that, i think, is we are put o ing our energy in these discussions that we are having with the secretary, with ustr, with the white house, and, you know, that is i guess, how i can answer that question. did president does have a variety of concerns, and he sees these as policy objectives, but all we can do is focus on the work at hand, which is for example, lumber. canada doesn't have a tariff on lumber. it's zero. on dairy, the u.s. sells three times as much dairy into canada

as we sell into the united states. what's more, i think, productive for us, is to talk about the facts around the actual trading relationship and try and get it where the concerns are. >> canada does put a tariff as high as 241% on dairy imports, but it's a sliding scale that only kicks in on a certain level, and it's under the free trade deal. >> that's right. in agriculture, the united states is the same in sugar and dairy. you allow a certain amount of product in, and after that level is hit, you put restraints in on imports, and we do the same to protect our farmers and families and, you know, small family farms that need to be sure that they can have a bit of the market. >> there is this 50-minute phone call wednesday with the vice president, the commerce secretary, and president trump with your prime minister, justin trudeau. afterwards, the president posted that trudeau is unable to tell him when the election was taking place, which made him curious like, quote, what's going on here? he's tlierying to use this issuo

stay in power. do you think this is a personal issue here? do you think it will change when your leadership changes? >> it's hard for me to say. i think that the prime minister and the president -- prime minister trudeau and the president, they've done big things together. they renegotiated nafta today. >> they have a history. >> they have a long history. they did good things together. they managed our practicely 6,000-mile border during covid successfully in my opinion. it's a long relationship and it has many -- it has had many phases to it. we will have a new prime minister this week. today the liberal party will elect a new leader. that new leader will be sworn in in the coming days and that person will become canada's prime minister. n those are facts that are not going to change. >> do you think it will stop the vows from the president to talk about threatening to annex canada? >> you know, i guess what i can -- >> what is that? >> i'm not sure what that is. what i can say is that canadians don't really appreciate it.

they're getting a little bit frustrated with that kind of rhetoric, but more importantly, canadians are frustrated with our neighbors, you know, the country that we feel closest to, the country that is -- partners, allies, often family that we've gone to war with, that we've died with, that we've come to each other's aid, most recently in l.a., and 9/11 you've come to our aid so many times over the years, and we feel -- canadians feel under attack, under economic attack, and that is causing some challenges for sure across canadian society. i think our new prime minister when that person comes in, will prioritize, trying to have a good and healthy and productive relationship with the president. i'm sure that that's going to be possible. relationships go both ways, but i know that on our side, that's going to be a priority. >> ambassador, thank you for young us. we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us. have you always had trouble with your weight?

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we we turn now to another front in president trump's trade war and that's china. anna coren is in beijing with the latest. >> reporter: a time of defiance from beijing this week with china preparing for a protracted trade war with the united states. which it maintains will have no winners. it announced retaliatory tariffs on u.s. agricultural products, and targeted 25 american companies. in response to the now 20% blanket tariffs, president trump placed on all chinese goods. in a press conference on the sidelines of the national people's congress. china's foreign minister said the country would fight back despite economic challenges at home, and without naming president trump, he accused the u.s. of being duplicitous in its relationship with china saying -- [ speaking in a global language ] no country should expect to suppress and contain china on one hand, while maintaining good

relations with china on the other. well, earlier this week, his ministry used particularly aggressive language stating, if war is what the u.s. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war, or any other type of war, we're ready to fight till the end. while there's no doubt a trade war will hurt china's economy, it's had six years to prepare for this since the trade war began in 2018. margaret, despite being open to negotiations, its decision to opt for defiance rather than flattery, is a sign china won't back down. >> anna coren in beijing. we'll be right back. -ades. -yes! i'll act out my favorite chair. got it. alright, you ready? -yep! this wooden rocking chair! a velvet tufted chaise lounger. this is chair-ades, loungers are off limits. well there's no rule about adding it to my cart! that's a great deal. this barrel swivel chair!

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