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president trump is casting aside those who might stand in his way. and among the first to go were at least 20 leaders of federal offices that were created by congress to hold administrations accountable. you may not know it, but after watergate, congress set up a system to audit the executive branch and ensure the rights of federal workers. those offices became known as watchdogs. congress has guarded their independence from politics so that no president can use these

powerful auditors to punish enemies or hide their own fiascos. but now for the first time in 44 years, president trump has fired these officials en masse. one of them is hampton dellinger, who has a warning about what america is losing as it's firing the watchdogs. >> going forward, you're always going to have now a person in my position who is going to be dependent on the president's good graces. that is not how congress set up the position. that's not how it's been for the past 50 years. but that independence, that protection, is gone. >> and the message that sends to the watchdog agencies in general is what? >> i don't think we have watchdog agencies anymore. the inspector generals are gone. the head of the office of government ethics is gone. i'm gone. the independent watchdogs who are working on behalf of the american taxpayers, on behalf of military veterans, they've been

pushed out. >> before hampton dellinger was pushed out, he was head of the office of special counsel, no relation to the office of the same name that prosecuted president trump. dellinger's office is where federal workers can bring employment complaints and where so-called whistleblowers, government employees, can report wrongdoing. >> so, if a person sees fraud, for example, in the department of defense and they're afraid of telling their supervisor because they think there will be retaliation, they go to you. >> they can. and that was a decision not by me but by congress, that employees in the executive branch who are seeing something going wrong inside an agency need a safe place to go that's still in the executive branch but that is outside of the agency. >> and it works. a recent report said whistleblowers helped the office

of special counsel find $110 million that was owed to veterans and uncovered the over-prescription of opioids at a v.a. clinic. >> thank you for considering my nomination to head the office of special counsel. >> dellinger is a democrat appointed by president biden and confirmed by the senate. >> my job, though, was not partisan at all. and my track record, i will stand on as someone who has played it by the book. i'm not looking to promote a president's agenda or thwart it. i'm just trying to make sure the laws are followed. >> and you filed cases against the biden administration. >> time and time and time again. >> dellinger's present term was supposed to run into 2029. >> what was the first moment that you learned that you had been fired? >> a friday evening when i got an email from someone i didn't know purporting to be with the white house who said, you've been terminated.

thank you for your service. and of course, that email is just flatly inconsistent with the law, which says i can only be terminated for a very good reason. they didn't have a very good reason. they had no reason. >> nothing? >> nothing. >> the law says there has to be a reason, specifically one of three, neglect, inefficiency, or malfeasance. the termination email said none of that. so, dellinger sued to keep his job. >> i think every american respects the presidency, but i knew that this order, this directive, was unlawful. and ultimately we are a nation of laws. the only reason we have a president is because we have a supreme rulebook, the united states constitution. so, as much as we all want the president to succeed, it's got to be within the framework of the law. >> but the law may have been ignored just four days into

trump's term, when he fired 17 inspectors general all at once without cause. the inspectors general, or igs for short, were auditors of top departments, including defense, veterans affairs, and foreign aid at the u.s. agency for international development. paul martin was inspector general there. >> over the years and over the decades, we've been independent, apolitical, non-partisan watchdogs in our agency with the goal of improving the functioning of that agency to save money and to look out for the taxpayers. >> martin policed billions in foreign aid spending. trump shut down usaid early and in haste. in the chaos of mass firings, emergency aid stopped moving. so, martin did his job, writing an alert that half a billion

dollars in food aid might spoil or be stolen. >> we issued the alert on a monday. on tuesday, i was terminated. >> what did that tell you? >> that someone read our report. >> have you ever been fired by a president before? >> i have not been fired by a president before. >> but some people watching these events say, doesn't the president always bring in his own team? >> he may bring his own team in, but there's been an agreement with congress and administrations over the last 45 years that inspectors generals are different. they're chosen to be apolitical nonpartisan oversight officials in each government agency and that has been respected from administration to administration. >> paul martin started in ig offices 25 years ago under bill clinton. he was inspector general for nasa in trump's first term and then biden's. >> i've worked over more than six presidents, and i've never had a concern that issuing an

audit or an investigation, even with what would be perceived as negative findings, could impact my employment. >> in these first weeks of the trump administration, what is happening to these oversight offices? >> they're being dismantled and effectively being destroyed. >> andrew bakaj is a former cia officer and a lawyer who has written federal regulations protecting whistleblowers. >> now it feels like an intentional dismantling. they're going after the things that someone who knows how to dismantle the system goes after. that's perhaps the scariest part. >> david kligerman is a former state department employees. they represent whistleblowers for the nonpartisan group whistleblower aid. whistleblower aid represented a client in the first trump impeachment. >> what is the purpose of firing a hampton dellinger or the inspectors general? >> it's, in my opinion, to prevent the truth from coming out. the entire purpose of having a hampton dellinger or the ig

system is to ensure that there's transparency within government. >> this is removing the umpires. this is taking the umpires it out of the game. there's no place to go. if you can't go to the special counsel, then there's nowhere for you to go. this is a very, very big deal. >> but not a big deal, according to the president. he told reporters on air force one that firing the watchdogs is, quote, a very standard thing to do. he's wrong. no president has fired the heads of the watchdog offices en masse in 44 years. that was reagan when the offices were brand-new. and he rehired a third of them. >> and the reason you were given for being fired is what? >> oh, no reason. the president gave no reason. >> why fire cathy harris? possibly because she's on the federal board that hears appeals

of fired federal workers, the very people the trump administration has been laying off by the tens of thousands. if she left, their avenue of appeal could be blocked at least temporarily. harris is also fighting for her own job. for now, a judge has reinstated her. >> i swore an oath to the constitution when i took this job that i would fulfill my term through march 2028, and i believe very deeply in the civil service and in public service. and i just couldn't look myself in the mirror and walk away from this. it's -- i'm here to fight. >> cathy harris fights for fired workers, often after receiving their cases from the office of hampton dellinger. in his final days on the job, dellinger worked to restore employment of workers whom he says were fired by trump illegally. >> so much is lost. you're losing talent. you're losing experience.

you're losing integrity. you're losing tens of thousands of military veterans who served our country in uniform, who put their lives on the line for america, and who came back and joined the federal civilian workforce. but putting aside all the losses, at the end of the day, it has to be done the right way. if you're going to fire federal employees, you've got to do it lawfully. and that's my concern, that these mass firings aren't necessarily in accordance with the law. >> in february, dellinger took on the case of 5,000 fired employees of the agriculture department. he passed their case to cathy harris and her appeals board. harris stopped the firing, at least temporarily. the trump administration is still in court to get harris removed. >> but you've got to be able to be in this job and do what it takes to uphold the law and not be afraid, not be afraid you're

going to be fired at any moment if you make a decision that somebody doesn't like. >> i think the message to inspector generals is that the oversight of these programs, particularly if they're negative findings, is not welcome anymore. >> a message loud and clear now, according to former usaid inspector general paul martin. >> it's not welcome in this administration. it's not welcome in this current congress. >> what should congress be doing? >> congress created the inspector generals and relied on for the past 45 years their findings and their audits and investigations to conduct aggressive oversight of any administration's programs. since the firing of the inspector generals, there has been a deafening silence in congress as far as pushing back. >> why are they not speaking? >> unclear. >> martin worries that independence lost might never be regained.

>> i'm afraid that we've moved on to an era in which every administration will come in and assume that they're going to replace all the inspector generals with people of their choice, that the secretary of treasury or the attorney general will get to pick his or her inspector general. and that will turn the independent ig system on its head. >> if your office is beholding to the president, what is lost? >> independence, accountability, a safe place for federal government, employee whistleblowers, to come to and know that they'll be respected and protected. that's gone. >> other watchdogs are suing to challenge the president's power, but hampton dellinger is out. last week, an order from an appeals court removed him. he told us that taking his fight to the supreme court would take months or a year. and by then, his whistleblower office would be devastated. >> the trump administration

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when purdue pharma, the maker of oxycontin declared bankruptcy in 2019, it had no debt and was worth more than a billion dollars. how is this possible? it was facing claims of deaths

in the opioid crisis, which has killed more than 800,000 americans. purdue and its wealthy owners, members of the sackler family, wanted a bankruptcy settlement to resolve thousand of lawsuits. that massive settlement is now on the table. but after five years, the legal battle goes on. the sacklers continue to own purdue pharma. and to this day, not a single victim has received any compensation. >> bankruptcy is not about justice. that's what i learned in this process. >> what is it about? >> it's about money. it's about money. it's about who gets paid the most and who gets paid out in what order. >> ryan hampton is one of the 140,000 people who filed a claim against purdue saying they or someone they love were harmed by its opioids. >> i received an absurd amount of medications from the doctors that i was seeing. >> hampton was 23 years old when he says he was prescribed oxycontin in 2003 for a knee injury. a one-time white house intern,

hampton says he quickly became addicted to the powerful opioid, lost his job working on political campaigns, and became homeless. >> you lost a lot. you lost your home. yu lost friends. >> i lost my dignity. i lost my self-worth. i can remember many times on the streets thinking, if this is all my life is as long as i am able to get my fix, then i'm completely fine with it. >> with treatment, hampton overcame his addiction ten years ago and began speaking out against purdue and the sacklers. >> they took private money from the family that created this crisis. >> he was appointed by the justice department in 2019 to represent the financial interests of victims. for two years, he served on a committee of creditors in the purdue pharma bankruptcy case. >> my name is mortimer david alfons sackler.

>> teresa elizabeth sackler. >> richard s. sacker. >> as part of that case in 2020, seven sacklers, all former purdue board members or employees, were deposed. >> and the top selling opioid was oxycontin, correct? >> yes. >> dr. richard sackler is a former president of purdue who in 2001 helped turn oxycontin into what was at the time the most prescribed brand name nar katic for pain in the united states. in his deposition, he described the drug's benefits and was asked about its deadly risks. >> now, higher dose of oxycontin is more expensive, but it was also more dangerous, is that accurate? >> objection. >> you may answer. >> it wasn't more dangerous for the patient than any other pill. >> david sackler, richard's son,

helped manage the family's wealth and also served on purdue's board of directors. >> what responsibility does purdue have to the hundreds of thousands of patients who were prescribed opioids and got oud. >> oud is opioid use disorder. or addiction. >> what responsibility does it have to them? these were -- these were defined risks. on the label. while we feel terrible for them, we have taken a dramatic amount of responsibility for them. >> this past january, the sacklers and purdue agreed to pay up to $7.4 billion to settle the bankruptcy case, potentially one of the largest opioid settlements ever. while that sounds like a lot, there are 140,000 claims alleging harm, and just about 10% of the total amount will go to victims. claiming nearly 90% are creditors, including 48 states, thousands of hospitals,

insurance companies, and top pharmacy chains, all of which say they too paid a price in the opioid epidemic. >> it felt like every major company under the sun was coming for a part of purdue. >> billions of dollars. >> billions of dollars. >> is this just a money grab? >> it is a money grab, you know? cvs, they have a pretty massive claim in the bankruptcy. cvs was charged by the department of justice for knowingly filling suspicious opioid prescriptions as late as last year. >> you were on the inside. you were privy to a lot of information that had never been seen publicly. what did you learn that was most surprising? >> the most surprising fact for me was that victims were not first in line, but last in line, because there were larger corporate and government interests that wanted to get paid first. >> court records show that lawyers, mediators, and others have already pocketed nearly $1 billion paid by purdue.

41 firms have so far been paid more money than victims are expected to get in the $7.4 billion deal. with senior lawyers representing the company charges as much as $2,645 an hour. >> it's sickening. >> do you not see this as something that could help families? this could be the only recourse they have. >> absolutely. but do i think they're getting a fair shake, do i think that they're getting anywhere near what they're owed knowing that you can't put a price tag to that, no way. >> is your sense that a lot of those folks might actually not receive payment. >> yes. >> that's a kick in the gut. >> it is a kick in the gut. >> to have a valid claim, many victims will have to show proof of a purdue opioid prescription. that means there are families that do not expect to get a dime in the settlement, like pete jackson and emily walden. >> i've talked to a lot of parents.

i know a lot of people that filed claims, and nobody wants their blood money. but do they have a right to it? did they pay for a funeral? did they pay for treatment due to the actions of that company and the sacklers? should they get that money back? absolutely. >> walden says her son, t.j., became addicted to opioids after taking oxycontin as a teen. he was 21 and in the kentucky national guard when he overdosed 13 years ago. t.j.'s death certificate lists oxycodone, the active ingredient in oxycontin and other prescription opioids as a factor. in the bankruptcy case, that may not be enough proof. >> if it's on their death certificate, they should have a claim. that's not right. >> why should someone who wasn't taking this drug as it was prescribed be eligible for any kind of compensation at all?

>> they knew they were making massive profits on putting these on the street. they knew that. why would they not be held liable for that? you knew it was being diverted and you let it go. >> pete jackson's daughter emily was 18 and days away from starting college in illinois when she died in 2006. her family says she took oxycontin for the first time while drinking at a sleepover with cousins. >> you've compared oxycontin to leaving a loaded gun on the table. >> she was blindsided. she didn't know one pill could kill you. >> one pill? >> one pill. >> jackson blames the death of his daughter and countless others on the way purdue and the sacklers marketed oxycontin, pumping up sales despite reports of widespread abuse. >> what would you want to hear from the sacklers? >> i don't want to hear

anything. i want to hear the jail cell door slam. >> what does justice look like to you? >> justice would look like a full trial of the sacklers and purdue, criminal trial, first and foremost. >> but that is increasingly unlikely. in the bankruptcy depositions, marianna sackler, richard sackler's daughter, claimed not to know whether purdue's opioids have harmed anyone. her job was to help purdue market and sell oxycontin. >> many people have been harmed by opioids. i don't know that many people have been harmed by the opioids that purdue sold. >> you suspect that people have been harmed by opioids that purdue sold? >> i don't know. >> if i understand correctly, people have been killed by opioids, but you don't know whether any of them were sold by purdue? >> yes. >> purdue, the company, has pleaded guilty to four felonies

over three decades, including that purdue lied about oxycontin as less addictive and less prone to abuse than other pain medications, like in this promotional video. >> less than 1% of patients taking opioids actually become addicted. >> but to this day, no member of the sackler family or purdue employee has ever faced felony charges. >> companies are not driverless cars. if a company commits a crime, that means there are people, executives, who have used the company or caused the company to commit that crime. >> former federal prosecutor rick mountcastle led the four-year investigation that resulted in purdue's 2007 guilty plea. his team reviewed hundreds of thousands of documents. >> you were ready to charge three top purdue executives with felonies. >> yes. >> you were hoping they would roll on their bosses. >> absolutely. yeah. we're not only hoping, but we

figured it was probably a good possibility. >> their bosses were members of the sackler family who, for decades, held a majority on purdue's board of directors. but mountcastle says the felony charges were blocked by his superiors at the justice department during the george w. bush administration. instead, the three executives, purdue's top lawyer howard udell, medical director paul goldenheim, and president michael friedman pleaded guilty to misdemeanors but denied having any knowledge of purdue's crimes. >> did the sackler family scapegoat those executives? >> quite the contrary. we were very loyal to them. >> you were so loyal that you paid them millions of dollars in bonuses after they pled guilty to criminal charges? >> we did make termination payments to each of them. i don't remember the amounts. >> would it surprise you to know

that the amounts were $5 million to howard udell and $3 million to michael friedman? >> no, it would not surprise me. >> decisions are being made not based on the facts. and what's in the best interest of the american people. these are decisions being made by politics and personal gain. >> you spent more than 30 years as a federal prosecutor. where does all of this leave your faith in the justice department? >> i am greatly disappointed in the justice department because everything that the department has done since 2007 to today has been to protect the billionaires, the sackler family. >> the sacklers maintain their innocence and have agreed to settle claims in the bankruptcy not as an admission of guilt but to end years of litigation. the family will also give up ownership of purdue, but their vast wealth remains. in the years leading up to the

bankruptcy, the sacklers took about $11 billion out of purdue, more than 70% of the company's total assets. "60 minutes" asked to interview members of richard sackler's family but did not hear back on that request. >> do you have any guilt from living off the proceeds at least in part of the sale of oxycontin? >> no. >> do you believe that purdue bears any responsibility for the opioid crisis in this country? >> no. >> purdue pharma told us in a statement that they are hard at work on finalizing the settlement and delivering billions to fight the opioid crisis as soon as possible. [ stopwatch ticking ] welcome to cbs sports hq presented by progressive insurance.

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alternately a brash braggart, but say this, there is a method to his madness. >> this is not a participation trophy coach. dan hurley is a human furnace of intensity. >> fire, fire, try to make a play. >> hell bent on wringing every ounce of potential from his latest roster of uconn players. >> it's a zero sum game. the one that wins is going to have temporary relief. the one that loses is going into a hell hole of suffering. i mean, that, for me, is how i look at these sports competitions. >> and then there's this side of him, a championship coach burning sage the night before the season opener hoping to ward off bad juju. at the free-throw line, three point line. and dead spots on the court. next in his ritual, spritzes of holy water. finally, out come bags of garlic

balls. he's not playing for the camera, folks. that's the man of the moment on the heads and knees, appeasing basketball gods by placing offerings under the home bleachers. >> let the games begin. >> that was november. >> four months later. >> this season so far has been blank. >> unlike the last two. >> being what? >> just, i mean, at times very frustrating, gratifying, relief, suffering, relief, suffering. >> the suffering began early on the team's first road trip, uconn, then ranked second nationally, headlined the field at the maui invitational tournament. a chance for three games and some island r&r, unless you're dan hurley. >> we've got to talk about maui. >> oh, no. >> tie game, overtime, who gets a technical foul under those circumstances? >> this guy right here. >> this game is tied. >> 92 all, the clock dwindling

in overtime. uconn's ball. a missed jumper and on the rebound a foul is called on uconn's number 30, liam mcnealy. that's hurley so apoplectic he's floored in more ways than one. >> the force of the blown call literally knocked me to the ground, is how i'm trying to justify it. >> unamused, the officials tagged hurley with a game changing technical foul. uconn lost that game and two more in successive nights. hurley was irate and inconsolable. >> i gather after that, geno auriemma, 11-time national championship winner, reached out to you. remember what he said? >> if the only outcome that makes you a successful coach is whether you hang up a national championship banner, you should get out immediately. >> that register? >> not at the moment because at the back of my mind i was saying what the hell else am i in this for?

but he stayed at practice and he kept coachin me on the sideline, barking at me a little bit. dan, enjoy the relationships with your players, the joy of getting the most out of your team. if you're only in it for the championship pursuit and none of that means anything to you anymore and it's just banners and rings, then you should get out because it ain't gonna happen every year, buddy. >> uconn is steady to win eight straight after maui. but this season has been riddled with inexplicable lapses. it's made hurley wishful for the two previous seasons where the huskies ran roughshod over the march madness field. no opponent came within 13 points of uconn in any of the tournament games. hurley offered us a glimpse of how a championship coach goes about the job. >> most colleges are stealing ball screen, offensive ideas

from the nba, whereas for us, it was taking off-ball movement, less dribbling, more passing, more cutting, more screening that would represent more of a european professional model. >> the other guys can borrow from the lakers and the celtics. you're going to turkish league. >> we're going to turkey. we're going to israel. we're going -- we're going to france, england. we're going -- we're going all over the place. >> this is a heck of a thing to look at. >> hurley showed us his play sheet from uconn's national championship win over purdue last april, every play affixed with multiple options. it's five-man chess, and hurley is a grand master. all but fated for the role. >> are you kidding me? stop celebrating. his father was a hard ass coach in jersey city who won 28 state titles.

dan's older brother bobby, an iconic college player at duke won back-to-back national championships of his own. dan struggled as a point guard at seton hall. >> you talked about being the third hurley. >> it's how i failed to live up succeed up to the hurley standard in basketball, it caused a lot of pain. >> fans piled on sometimes chanting, bobby's better. >> it gets to the point where you're a shell of yourself. you're not shooting the ball the way you have your whole life. you have a hard time catching the ball. or even dribbling the ball. you have the yips in a way. >> in december 1993, it got so bad he left the seton hall team after only two games to get his mind right. dan rejoined the following year, but the joy from playing basketball had been drained. coaching, though, has offered a second chance. >> i've got to make up for what i didn't achieve as a player,

and i've got to make up for that right now as a coach. my career eats away at me still. >> still? >> it bothers me. if i see a picture of myself with a seton uniform or a clip, it's an embarrassment about how that went. >> with his success at uconn, he finally feels worthy of the family name. >> it's not me versus my dad as a coach or, you know, what i've accomplished relative to bob in basketball now. it's just this bucket that we're all just going to contribute to. and we'll see if we're one of the best basketball families of all time. >> that's what the goal is now? >> for me and that's been a shift. and it probably didn't happen for me until i had my moment. >> during his moment, hurley's been the toast of connecticut. the los angeles lakers tried to poach him as their coach last summer. hurley declined, reckoning that he's better built for the college game.

excruciating as this season has been at times, as evidenced by this coach's meeting dissecting a february loss to st. john's. >> oh, my god. oh, god. oh. just let me suffer through that. how does that happen? >> but he knows better than to bring the agony of his work home. >> oh, no. don't come home like that, please. i am not in the mood. >> andrea hurley has a standard pep talk for the college sweetheart she married in 1997. i love you, but get over yourself. >> she's very tough on me. >> he'll get himself so down and he'll get in such a funk that if i get in a funk with him, we're going to be no good. so, i have to almost kind of, like -- i don't want to say shame him, but, like, this is ridiculous. it's a stupid game and snap out of it. >> one team wins and -- >> one team loses. what's the big deal? i always said, it's a 50/50 shot. >> somebody wins. somebody loses.

>> there's not, like, 12 options you have. >> i suspect it's helpful to have someone in the household who doesn't rip her hair out when the team misses a screen. >> i don't even know what a screen is. i don't know what that is. >> you don't know what a screen is? >> i don't know what that is. >> she has no idea. >> i have no idea. >> if i was coming home to somebody that wanted to talk about a new lineup, a new defense, rehash the game, my personality type and the way i'm wired, it would never work. >> that sounds really healthy. >> yeah. >> it sounds like your perspective balances his intensity. >> oh, yeah. very well, very well. >> to ease dan's churning mind, andrea designed a private basement sanctuary. first thing every morning, he comes here to clear his head. >> this is it. we have a little bit of everything in here. >> it's part shrine. >> take my bible out. i'll pray. i'll do some meditation. >> art studio, bat cave meets man cave.

>> i have an affinity for superheroes. i wear the socks. i wear the underwear. >> the animal kingdom is represented too. >> i keep the referee in the corner. >> you yell at your zebra the way you do the three guys on the court? >> i do. that's why he's in the corner. >> not all of hurley's rough edges have been zenned over in his basement. in january, hurley ha ranged a ref and internet lip readers filled in the blanks. >> you talk about the doubt and self doubt and there was a viral video of you telling a ref, you know where i'm going, i'm the best coach in the sport. help us reconcile that? >> i'm complex. i had no idea -- if i knew the camera was on me, there's no way i would have said it. i'm embarrassed. yeah, when i get into it, sometimes i will say or do anything that i think may give me some type of an advantage either with an official or with

firing my team up or with carrying myself with a confidence and a swagger that is going to give my team the ability to play better. >> hurley harkens back to an era when college basketball celebrated its larger than life coaches. hardly the biggest change in the sport where players now can enter a transfer portal and shop for the highest bidder, a disruptive force for even the best teams. >> do you have players right now who are fielding offers? considering playing for other teams 96 season? >> 50% of my roster or more. >> 50? >> 50% of my roster or more is at least, you know, considering going in the portal if not already knows what school that they're going to. >> half your team is already thinking in terms of whether they want to transfer to another program or not? >> yeah. and in a couple of those cases, they've already talked to the coaching staff at future school and have an idea of what their

nil is going to be there. >> the money. >> yeah. >> what does it do to a culture of a college basketball team when half the guys are fielding offers for next season to go elsewhere? >> well, i mean, look at the volatility this year. the level of volatility in college sports, this has now become a year-to-year proposition. the game has changed completely. >> but dan hurley still is firmly committed to this team, one that did pass the 21 win threshold yet again. and he's approaching march madness with optimism, the guarded variety. >> can you win three in a row? >> yeah. there's a path to it. >> can this be a successful season if you don't win a third straight title? >> geno, geno, geno. i -- no. not totally because i didn't put a team together that can do it. once you've done it, any time you don't do it, deep down

inside you're not going to look at those years the same way. there's going to be a feeling of failure that comes with that. >> even if you leave it all out on the floor, if you don't hang a third banner -- >> fail. >> fail? >> it's fail. i can live with it. it won't be this offseason of pain and suffering and, you know, it's just killing you the whole summer and offseason. i'll be able to live with it. but it would still be a failure. [ stopwatch ticking ] >> saying no the to the lakers. >> it was tough. the opportunity was a dream. >> at 60minutesovertime.com (♪♪) (phone dings) for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura in adults, nurtec odt can provide relief in 2 hours which can last up to 2 days. (♪♪) don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur even days after use,

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