i'm margaret brennan in washington and this week on "face the nation," president trump's tariff threats rattle allies and adversaries alike. plus, the latest on the

administration's immigration crackdown. after a whiplash week of on again, off again tariffs, the trump trade war is entering a new phase as the president steps up his threats against america's neighbors. >> we don't need trees from can that and we don't need cars from canada and we don't need energy from canada. we don't need anything from canada. >> and acknowledges the possibility of economic disruption. >> there could be some disturbance, a little bit of disturbance. >> the administration says it hopes the tariffs will pressure canada and mexico to stop the flow of fentanyl, and illegal migrants into the u.s. we'll ask homeland security secretary kristi noem if it is working and we'll get the latest on the president's mass deportation mission. >> canada's ambassador to the u.s. kirsten hillman will be here. we'll ask her about the cost and consequences of the growing trade war. plus, with just days to go before a possible government shutdown, lawmakers unveil a new bill to avoid it. we'll hear from the co-chairs of

the congressional problem solvers caucus, pennsylvania republican brian fitzpatrick and new york democrat tom suozzi. finally, russia expert fiona hill who served as a top national security council official during the first trump administration joins us to discuss trump's diplomatic pivot on ukraine. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we begin this morning with the secretary of homeland security, kristi noem. madam secretary, good to have you in person. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> i want to dive right into this trade war, the justification president trump invoked these tariffs under had to do with fentanyl. mexico's president said thursday that customs and border

protection figures show seizures of fentanyl on the border plummeted, she said 75% in the past six months. doesn't that show the existing system is working? >> we have seen incredible progress as far as what we have been able to stop at the southern border since president trump has taken office and i think that can be built on. these partnerships that we have in going after traffickers, cartels, the drug trade and also human trafficking can be even stronger and built on in the future. that's one of the things we have been asking for in specific to the mexican government is how can we work better together to make sure we not only have the enforcement mission at the border, but south of the border and make sure we're going after these cartels. you've seen the president name them as terrorist organizations. and canada just recently is starting to allow us to access some of their criminal background histories that we need in order to know who is coming across our border and what they're brging. so, because of his strong stance

on tariffs, we're seeing them wanting to be better partners with us to keep our people safe. >> canada's prime minister said it is totally false to claim canada's unwilling to fight fentanyl. you just indicated they're willing to do more here. he pointed to cvp data that showed a 97% drop in fentanyl seizures from january compared to december, a near zero low he said. is the data accurate? >> the data is getting better. i would say in the conversations i've had this week with canadian officials they were hoping to avoid the tariffs. and had a lot of conversations but not a lot of action. so, this is the hope is that the fact that president trump has said something and now has enforced consequences, we really are hoping for even better partnerships, we need access to their criminal background system so that we know when someone crosses that northern border, who they are, why they're in our country, and who they may be partnering with. we also need them to work with us on identifying packages,

technology investments. canada has said they will do that, we just want to see them actually do it. in the past, promises have been made by both mexico and canada that they didn't follow through on. their naming of a fentanyl czar in canada is important, that's great. let's see what happens. president trump has been strong and i think that's you've seen the data going our direction. but, boy, every day people in this country are dying of overdoses. and i don't want any more families to have to deal with that tragedy if we can be -- if it can be avoided and we can have a stronger relationship. >> so you just gave specific examples of what canada and mexico can do, presumably to avoid the tariffs that are now being pushed off until april 2nd. the commerce secretary said in another network, if fentanyl ends, i think these will come off. but if fentanyl does not end, where he's uncertain about it, meaning the president, they will stay on until he's comfortable. is it that general or are these very specific things that you can kind of go through and check to avoid these tariffs? >> yeah, i've had very specific

conversations with canadian officials and mexican officials on what they can do. so they know what they can do to help avoid tariffs in the future. and what we're expecting of them. if they do it, we shall see. we all recognize that each one of these leaders has political environments in their home countries as well. but president trump means business and he meant it when he ran to be president of the united states again and since he's taken office, that he will put america first. and every day in this country we have seen over the last several years violence and unsafe streets and cities and people lose their children and grandchildren. and he's taking action to make sure that we're cleaning up the mess that joe biden left behind and that we have a much safer country and where americans can look forward to the future. >> so, this is not just leverage to get a better free trade deal? this is not just because president trump truly believes that tariffs are the heart of his economic policy? >> right. >> you're saying this really is

about fentanyl. >> it really is about fentanyl. it really is. i think president obviously wants a strong economy. obviously wants better trade deals as well. but this is about fentanyl and what we can do to stop the cartels from partnering with chinese officials, laundering money and bringing a poison to our country that is specifically designed to kill the next generation. i think a lot of people don't understand the strategy of these enemies of the united states and what they're utilizing. they are bringing this in, not just to make money, they're bringing it in here to kill americans. and it is time that we stand up for the people that live here and make sure that we're stopping this war against our children. >> i want to ask you, border crossings, a 25-year low. >> they are. it is fantastic. >> there are 6,000 u.s. military personnel working at the border now. that number could go up to 9,000 by the end of the month. how long do you shave to keep them there it if the numbers are dropping like this? >> we'll continue the partnership with the department of defense. we have partnerships with commerce, with the attorney general's office.

we're working every day with the secretary of state. we'll keep them there until that border is completely secure and we see all time record lows of encounters. our border patrol is doing fantastic work. but we're going to keep them there until the whole world gets the message that this isn't joe biden's world anymore this is president donald trump's country where we have a border, where we have laws and it applies equally to everybody. i think that is what is so refreshing is that we're not picking and choosing winn n nerd losers anymore. americans have to live by the law. so do those who come to this country, you have to come here legally or there will be consequences. >> let me ask you what is happening internally when it comes to -- excuse me -- migration. the administration revised this policy of detaining migrant families, parents with children, in i.c.e. detention centers. bush did it, obama did it, biden did not. have you seen texas facilities where children are being held with their parents? are you comfortable with it

personally? >> we have detention facilities across the country. there are specific ones that are built specifically for families if they are detained. but remember everybody has an option. they have an option to be here legally or illegally and they can self-deport as well. we have set up a system and a website where people who are here illegally right now can register and they can choose to go home on their own and keep their families united. the kids have a choice, if they have parents, they make a choice to keep their families together, if they want to, or not. the parents make a decision to leave their children behind, then that's a choice that they made as a family and we need to remember that when americans break the law, and they have consequences or face a situation, they're separated from their families too. i don't believe we should prioritize people from other countries above americans. >> but when it comes to reviving the policy of separating families from their children at the border -- >> i don't know we're reviving it. president biden didn't -- he didn't follow the law in the

fact that it is always been equally applied until his administration. and then he made decisions to ignore federal law in how he handled immigration and enforcement within our borders. and so today we're expanding our team at i.c.e. and we're going to have an acting director in todd lyons who has a long history with tom homan. they have worked together to build on these enforcement operations. we're also naming a deputy secretary in madison sheehan that was going to be another expansion of this team. they have done incredible work cleaning up our communities and making them safer, adding more people to the team with todd and with madison is going to allow us to partner with local law enforcement officials to make sure that we truly are following through on enforcing the law. and if you break our law, then there is going to be consequences. >> so you want the number of deportations to tick up? >> i do, absolutely. people, remember, they have an option to go home on their own. we are giving them that opportunity to do that and we will help facilitate that and if they don't, and they end up

coming into our enforcement, opportunities that we have in front of us, they may never get the chance to come back. so, people need to remember, if they self-deport, they will have an opportunity to come back to this country legally. >> but you have a capacity issue right now in terms of just beds to put people in when you detain them. are you going to open up military facilities like fort bliss? >> there is, yes, a plan to use the facilities at fort bliss for detention facilities. but also we need to remember to ask congress needs to continue through with funding that this administration has asked for. you know, we clearly have a cr discussion in front of us this week, we have a reconciliation discussion, that reconciliation bill needs to happen. we have just weeks before we're out of the funds to continue the operations that we have and even everywhere i've been in this country out there, looking at what president trump has done on immigration and border enforcement, the people that i meet are saying thank you. thank you for getting these terrorists out of the country. he has deported --

>> have you deported terrorists. >> 22 known and terrorists on the watch list are out of this country now. we have almost 700 gang members that have been deported out of the country in just a month. >> which have been redefined as terrorist organizations. >> 281 specific tda numbers which we know are the worst of the worst have been taken out of this country. so, everyone that has a story like laken riley's family or jocelyn's family, they're extremely grateful that won't be perpetuated among other families in other states. >> i want to ask you, you said you have found leakers within dhs and you're going to prosecute them. on february 9th, you tweeted the fbi is so corrupt, we'll work with any and every agency to stop leaks. were you wrong then to blame the fbi if the leaks were from within dhs? >> i think there are leakers throughout the government. i think everybody -- i think these in dhs specifically, these two were leaking our enforcement operations that we had planned

and were going to conduct in several cities. and expose law enforcement to vulnerabilities, to those ops being jeopardized to where their lives would be in danger. they will be prosecuted. and they could face up to ten years in federal prison because they did that. anyone who is leaking information outside of how something is planned for the safety of those law enforcement officers needs to be held accountable for that. >> and you're going to continue these polygraphing employees? >> absolutely. the authorities i have under the department of homeland security are broad. and extensive. and i plan to use every single one of them to make sure that we're following the law, that we are following the procedures in place to keep people safe, and that we're making sure we're following through on what president trump has promised, that he's going to make america safe again. >> madam secretary, thank you for your time today. >> thank you for having me. we'll be back in one minute. stay with us.

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the u.s. over president trump's tariff threats. senior white house and political correspondent ed o'keefe has the latest from ottawa. >> reporter: margaret, president trump is now threatening tariffs on canadian dairy and lumber exports, even as he holds off on the broader tariffs on goods covered by the u.s., mexico, canada trade agreement until at least early april. this mostly has been a war of words so far, rather than a war over the wallet. but that's going to change in the coming day as ontario is now threatening to tariff electricity it wires to minnesota, michigan and new york. >> i got to put a 25% tariff on the electricity, the 1.5 million homes and businesses as of monday until president trump drops these tariffs. he has to understand that he can't attack our country economically and expect us to roll over. >> reporter: it is not entirely clear how the cost of those tariffs would be passed on to american households. now, we're here in ottawa today because amid the tariff war, there is also a canadian

transfer of power under way. prime minister justin trudeau announced in january he would be stepping down after nearly a decade. his ruling liberal party today anoints a successor. a race between mark carney, head of the banks of canada and britain and chrystia freeland. whoever wins the race becomes prime minister and has to deal with president trump and the tariff war. >> ed o'keefe in ottawa. we're joined by canada's ambassador to the united states, kirsten hillman. good to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> you just heard the homeland security secretary say there are conversations with your government. she seemed optimistic that there would be follow through on fentanyl. does that make you think this threat of tariffs on april 2nd is something that can be managed and avoided? >> well, i hope so. i mean, i think that we are in a very good place in our discussions with the u.s. administration on fentanyl.

we have invested a lot of new resources. we have given our law enforcement new powers, and we have responded to the requests of the trump administration with respect to cooperative effects in getting at the sources. so, the organized crime, the precursors coming from china. we had some really, really good discussions. w're optimistic. i just would say, i think it is important for viewers to know, fentanyl is a very serious problem in canada too. on some days we have more deaths per capita than you have here in the united states. so, we take this very seriously. it is not a big issue between our two countries. less than 1% of the fentanyl that is seized in the united states is coming from canada. but every ounce can kill families and people. so we're taking it very seriously. >> but you are indulging the premise that is the actual motivation for the tariffs rather than leverage for a free trade deal or just because president trump believes in them? >> well, i think that this set of tariffs, the 25 and 10% set

of tariffs are -- we have been told repeatedly that it is about fentanyl and security at the border. there are other tariffs that have been discussed and the president has raised other issues as motivations for other tariffs, reciprocity and fairness and, you know, maybe some changes that he would like to see to our usmca, our trade agreement. those conversations with going to have to happen as well. >> so, president trump said friday he may put tariffs on canadian lumber and dairy monday or tuesday. here's what he said. take a listen. >> canada has been ripping us off for years on tariffs for lumber and for dairy products. 250%, nobody ever talks about that. 250% tariff, which is taking advantage of our farmers. so that's not going to happen anymore. we're going to -- they'll be met with the exact same tariff unless they drop it. and that's what reciprocal means. >> on another network, the

commerce secretary said, no, that's actually on hold until april 2nd. it is confusing for us to follow this. is the clarity with the two governments any better? >> um, you know, we are in active discussions with secretary lutnick and those discussions are heading towards april 2nd. and that, i think, is -- we're putting our energy in the substantive discussions that we're having with the secretary, with ustr, with the white house. and, you know, that is, i guess, how i can answer that question. the president -- the president does have a variety of concerns and i think also sees tariffs as a tool for a variety of policy objectives. but really all we can do is focus on the real work at hand, which is to get at these issues. like, for example, lumber, canada doesn't have a tariff on lumber. it is zero. on dairy, the u.s. sells three times as much dairy into canada as we sell into the united states.

so, what is more, i think, productive for us is to talk about the facts around the actual trading relationship and try and get at where the concerns are. >> canada puts a tariff as high as 241% on dairy imports but a sliding scale that kicks in at a certain level. >> like the united states. in agriculture, the united states is the same. in sugar and dairy, you allow a certain amount of product in, and then after that level is hit, you put restraints in on imports and we do the same, to protect our farmers and families and small family farms that need to be sure that they can have a bit of the market. >> so, there is this 50-minute phone call wednesday with the vice president, the commerce secretary and president trump, with your prime minister, justin trudeau. afterwards, the president posted that trudeau is unable to tell him when the election was taking place, which made him curious, like, quote, what's going on here? i then realized he's trying to use this issue to stay in power. do you think this is, like, a

personal issue here? do you think it will change when your leadership changes? >> it is hard for me to -- hard for me to say. i think that the prime minister and the president, prime minister trudeau and the president, they have done big things together, right? they did renegotiate -- >> they have history. >> they have a long history. they did good things together. they manage our 6,000, practically 6,000 mile border during covid very successfully in my opinion. so, it's a long relationship and has many -- has had many phases to it. we will have a new prime minister this week. today, the liberal party will elect a new leader. that new leader will be sworn in, in the coming days, and that person will become canada's prime minister. those are facts that are not going to change. >> do you think it will stop the vows from the president to talk about threatening to annex canada? >> you know, i guess what i can -- i'm not sure what that is. what i can say is that canadians

don't really appreciate it. they're getting a little bit frustrated with that kind of rhetoric, but more importantly, canadians are frustrated with our neighbors, you know, the country that we feel closest to, the country that is partners, allies, often family, that we have gone to war with, that we have died with, that we come to each other's aid, most recently in l.a., but obviously 9/11, you've come to our aid over the years so many times. and we feel -- canadians feel under attack, under economic attack and that is causing some challenges for sure across canadian society. i think our new prime minister, when that person comes in, will prioritize trying to have a good and healthy and productive relationship with the president. i am sure that that's going to be possible. relationships go both ways, but i know that on our side, that's going to be a priority. >> ambassador, thank you for joining us and we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us. have you always had trouble with your weight?

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we turn now to another front in president trump's trade war and that's china. foreign correspondent anna coren is in beijing with the latest. >> reporter: a sign of defiance from beijing this week with china preparing for a protracted trade war with the united states, which it maintains will have no winners. it announced retaliatory tariffs on u.s. agricultural products and targeted 25 american companies. in response to the now 20% blanket tariffs president trump placed on all chinese goods. in a press conference on the sidelines of the national people's congress, china's foreign minister said the country would fight back despite economic challenges at home. and without naming president trump, he accused the u.s. of being duplicitous in its relationship with china, saying -- no country should expect to suppress and contain china on one hand while

maintaining good relations with china on the other. well, earlier this week, his ministry used particularly aggressive language stating if war is what the u.s. wants, be it a tariff war, a trade war or any other type of war, we're ready to fight until the end. while there is no doubt a trade war will hurt china's economy, it has had six years to prepare for this since the trade war began in 2018. and, margaret, despite being open to negotiations, its decision to opt for defiance rather than flattery is a sign china won't back down. >> anna coren in beijing. we'll be right back. -ades. -yes! i'll act out my favorite chair. got it. alright, you ready? -yep! this wooden rocking chair! a velvet tufted chaise lounger. this is chair-ades, loungers are off limits. well there's no rule about adding it to my cart! that's a great deal. this barrel swivel chair!

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