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this donald trump evolving positions on immigration. >> there certainly can be a softening because we are not looking to hurt people. >> reporter: or is he still for it? >> a mess people leave the country. >> reporter: -- unless people leave the country. >> if hillary clinton wins, will the foundation need to be shut down. and finally, the toxic state to this campaign. >> through it all, he has continued pushing discredited and conspiracy theories with
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>> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people only as votes. >> skunk. >> garbage. >> joining me for analysis is andrea mitchell, hugh hewitt, host of the radio network, robert costa and julie reed. welcome to sunday, it is meet the press. this is sunday morning and we are very happy to be back after a break in the olympics but let's state the obvious. it has not been a good week for either presidential candidate took a week that began with
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stating a new position on immigration and then another and then back again. involving "do deport, don't deport". some 15,000 state department emails will be released in that issue will follow hillary clinton through this campaign. >>. -- the campaign appears to be turning voters off. we will see what that means down the road.
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. >> i have had people say -- on monday, trump appeared to defend president obama's policy. >> a lot of people were brought out of the country with existing laws and i am going to do the same thing. >> they will pay back taxes. there is no amnesty. >> trump even pulled alike -- and audience. >> number one, -- number two -- >> [ cheering & applause ]>> who knew that it would be
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>> i am not saying she has had a stroke or anything like that but this is not the woman. ted in interview with the "washington examiner" what is his position specifically on the immigrants? >> you'll see he's giving prepared remarks on the issue i think very soon. i don't want to give a date. i think -- let me. >> we don't know? i mean thanks is sort of remarkable we don't know. >> i don't speak for donald trump. that's what i do know. here is what i know. his position will be tough. his position will be fair, but his position is going to be humane.
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place in 2006 by congress. it's going to be paid for. i believe that he is going to when he talks about deportation, he'll go after people here and are criminals and shouldn't be here. >> who is a criminal under this circumstance, though? some people believe just being here >> who is the criminal? some people believe just being here illegally is a crime took that makes you a criminal. those of the things that donald trump is going to answer. these are not they were simple, obviously, -- he did simplified but now, he is reflecting on it and his position is going to be known but here is the thing. i think the part about where donald trump is on this is he is a guy that is going to be tougher on this issue, tougher on illegal immigration than any politician we have had as a
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he is going to be the law and order candidate that he is and and on order president. >> do you agree with some of the analysis that says this is jeb bush's policies? >> no, i don't because you are not going to see an easy path to legalization. you will not see that. i think it was the easier plan to legalization. and the easier plan to citizenship to have a pathway to citizenship with donald trump. that is off the table. there is no method by which someone is here illegally and is going to become a citizen and jump the line as hillary clinton wants to do. the real issue is, look at the two plants, look where hillary clinton as. she wants to put barack obama's immigration plan on steroids. she wants people here illegally to cut the line. >> but donald trump raise parts
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>> parts of it but not executive amnesty, not illegal immigrants jumping the line like hillary clinton wants to do. that is the issue. this is an election of choices. number one, allow everyone in through complete amnesty. or number two, a tuft plan that is fair and humane. >> but it is still on don jones website. >> you will have to ask on this. do you think it should be something in the republican line? >> you are comfortable with citizenship. >> the nominee does not have --
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position of the republican party. it is not necessarily have to be adopted. might set you does not have to be adopted. >> let me ask you this. in the infamous 2013 autopsy, this is what was written. does not want them in the united states, i.e., self deportation, they will not pay attention to our next. do you think donald trump understands this analysis question back >> i think he understands it, completely. >> is that what this is about? >> i don't know -- what you say the evolution is all about. i think what donald trump understands is every position that he has taken and as you get closer to the white house,
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decency, part of every decision that needs to be made. and i know donald trump. i know donald trump in private. and this is a good and decent man that wants to do the right thing and take every position that he is talking about. and pepper it with decency, dignity and humanity. look, another thing. these are not my words. i think, 40 years ago, he broke the mold in allowing anyone from any background in effect, any gender, any race. hillary clinton, her campaign is the one -- and her supporters in her campaign were the ones that
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it was bill clinton in her campaign in 2008. the question, the success of barack obama -- not based on his talent but taste on his race. it was that their campaign. we cannot -- why can't we start judging these people based on what they actually did. she gave up state secrets. she talked about race in a way that is unacceptable. >> this morning's new york times outlines what donald trump and his father may have done when it came to -- basically -- ke americans -- >> this is the issue. look at what he did do. under the justice department investigation. if you look at what he has done as a developer in putting together golf courses, these clouds, the things that he has been doing over the last several decades, he has broken molds that comes to this issue. and i can tell you where his heart is at. i know where his heart is at. >> one of the things he said -- he said, hillary clinton only
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, not as human beings and this is what he tweeted out yesterday morning. the chicago bulls cousin who was shot and killed in chicago. wayne wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. just what i was saying, african- americans will both trump! -- vote trump! >> this is what i think -- democrats, i think, have been taking advantage of this boat and providing very little leadership to get in for -- in urban areas across the country. i worked in wisconsin for tommy thompson when the first private school choice build was put together. it was democrats out of the cities. democrats that in the power base of their party that bought school choice across the state of wisconsin. and to me, if you want to look at leadership in the cities, it
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loans for black and small business owners. these are the things that our party is championing and he sees that and it is frustrating to see. that the democrats going to the cities and i think, take advantage of this boat and provide very little leadership in return. >> are you happy with the hires of steve bennett? >> i go with the flow based on what the campaign wants to do. i think he is doing a phenomenal job. i don't know steve, to tell you the truth, very well. i'm going to get to know m. incumbent is this the proper background? >> i don't know how much of it is true or not and neither do you. so i don't speculate based on what other third parties say about people. i tend to judge people based on what i see and what i interact with. >> one final question when it comes to the issue. the clinton foundation and tax returns. i want to ask it this way.
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her hard on the clinton foundation saying all sorts of behind the scenes pepper play allegations. does it undercut his message if you'd -- if you will not -- release his tax returns? criticizing clinton's finances? by the way, roger stone is the latest republican to ask for donald trump's release of taxa -- of tax forms. >> i think when voters look at what hillary clinton actually did, they see someone that they bee believe went out of her way -- but you are judging -- >> -- let me ask you -- >> -- we know hillary clinton should not be trusted with the most precious secrets, information that our country has we know she cannot be trusted. are you equating that the known conclusion that she can't be trusted, everyday secrets to
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taxes? >> we have had a history of every major presidential nominee releasing taxes. and by the way, he is a private businessman whose company may or may not benefit from him being president. >> i am not suggesting that it is a subject that good journalists don't discuss. what i'm suggesting is i think it is preposterous to compare someone that we know gave away national statements >> wait a minute. we don't know that. >> we do know your -- we do know. she must face the case for -- come on. you are telling me that we don't have a smoking gun when she gave away state secrets. when we know the confidential top secret emails were part of the information that was put in
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you are equating that knowledge to the possibility. >> we will end the right there, mr. chairman. it has been a good two weeks for donald trump and about two weeks for hillary clinton. the panel is here. hugh hewitt, andrew mitchell, robert costa and julie read. all right. -- joey rea i will put it to. has a been a good two weeks for donald trump and about two weeks for hillary clinton question? >> it has been a bad change for trump. you have them trying to get trump a little more disciplined in his message but this is a candidate uncomfortable staying on script the we will have to see how long it lasts. >> has he done damage on immigration or not? >> i think he has helped himself a lot by appearing to
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it was a terrible two weeks. i think what we will hear. farhan khan at cpa or engagement registration act or corrupt practices act. the clinton foundation and even the former president has been in trouble on these two very complex and very applicable laws. >> i think donald trump has helped himself on immigration by muddying the waters, by making it a little less controversial, if you will, on deportation. but i think, going back to work, he said to the committee over and over again is that he finds no basis for a prosecution and that has to be the bottom line. >> the last part that the chairman and i were going back and forth on, this issue -- the issues that people have with the clinton foundation and what they don't know about trumps
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or not? >> no, they are not even close to being equal. one of the few things we have been able to find out about trumps business dealings is how much he owes to foreign banks. i think those questions are not going the way. and we do have a right to know the debt he has but i will tell you on the other side of that letter, one of the concerns been a lack of energy around the clinton candidacy by african-americans. donald trump has done more to energize african-americans against him over the last couple of weeks as opposed to outreach that hillary clinton has done in a year. >> steve bennett -- band and -- than. for every steve and reich, there is -- there is a marked.
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connections within that group you mentioned extent -- except steve. i think that is a significant problem. >> one, they have not covered hempel 5 or six years. he has done zero present parents. zero profile. i think he knows he does not need to be out there. he has conway to basically campaign. these reports are getting a lot of republicans nervous. sounds to me that if the chairman had its reference -->> kelly column -- kelly is a great face for this campaign right now. >> we will be back in a moment to talk about the other person that had a rough week this week your hillary clinton. -- week this week. hillary clinton. >> we talked about some of the ugliness of this campaign season but we had a really ugly moment earlier this week take a listen.>> i would like to talk
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my being a racist. >> that is just the latest example of a race to the bottom maybe by too many politicians and something that has a lot of voters saying, enough! spirit -- enough. provide earth with unlimited clean power. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes and if you thought that was amazing, you just wait.
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years ago, after barack obama was -- joining me, the architect of the obama 2008 and 2012 campaign. and currently, and advisor at hoover met. -- uber. i know you were not involved in the transition negotiations but there appearance of clinton as secretary of state and another clinton raising money for foreign entities at a private foundation. do you believe that the clintons upheld their end of the bargain when it came to the memo of understanding that assigned by the white house at the time? >> i do. and the clinton foundation, it is universal. it has done remarkable work and i think donald trump contributed $100,000 to the foundation so the work gets
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malaria. i think they have begun to answer that by saying bill clinton will step down but i think, if you look at this from a campaign perspective, you have donald trump's murky world. the only candidate major party which is amazing to me. of all the things donald trump has done, he has errors that has hurt his candidacy and i think the most about is his tax returns and his business deals. his foreign-policy is basically centered around hundreds of millions of dollars of exposure. and there is real questions around the business so i think there is legitimate questions about the -- but in terms of who can you trust, i don't think there is much comparison. >> y is what was okay at stake not okay as president.
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the former president stepping down from the foundation eight years ago? >> i think there has been a lot of transparency. releasing of donors and there's a lot of information being released as to why there is so much attention on this but i think it is appropriate. by the way, i am glad they are not falling in the trap. the clinton foundation does remarkable work. all around the world and i think as long as there is clear transparency to the public, i think it is a huge contribution to the world. >> if you are at the clinton foundation, and you are a major donor, you are a donor considering how much of a political hot potato it could be, doesn't it undermine the clinton foundation's efforts because of the political nature of things involving it? >> i don't think so. i think if you are someone who
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clinton foundation is doing around the world, you are going to be very passionate. and if anything, i think people will kind of intensified because i think, at the end of the day, these are political attacks but it is undeniable and a universal fact that the clinton foundation has been a great addition to the global scene. >> i guess the issue has to do with the purchasing of access. which is legal. the supreme court has said it is essentially legal to buy access of a politician within i think to get something in return beyond access but is that really the problem? the fact that it is legal. essentially, a lot of people do expect access in return for a contribution? >> my strong belief is that i don't think people gave to the clinton foundation. fairly erroneous pressure points. so, you've got people that i think are very wealthy people. who care about the work of the
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kuwait? >> these are segregated states. you are going to meet with leaders all over the world. >> i want to ask about the race in general. us -- you expressed concern that hillary clinton could not do well in places like virginia and colorado. the first two states the campaign has pul because i think they put the campaign a way. how did you miss that? why did you misread those two statements question back >> those are two tough statements. i think they were uniquely centered to barack obama. when we had that conversation, i think the assessment was that donald trump was trying to do some things to appeal to the middle of the electorate. we basically have a psychopath running for president. >> wait a minute. diagnosing people on their.
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we're jumping to conclusions. i think this is what that the voters a little frustrated. >> the grandiose notion of self- worth, lack of infinity and remorse. i think he does. i don't have a degree in psychology but basically, i think hillary clinton is guaranteed at least 269 electoral votes. think about that. >> earlier this week, compared at 84. you said, we just don't know the margin. >> i think that is right. at the end of the day, there is a 20% chance that it is close. i think it is likely going to be a landslide. donald trump has less than 0% so she is sitting at 269. i think states like ohio, she clearly has the advantage so
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donald trump done anything over the last couple of weeks to attract swing suburban college- educated women, improve his position with younger voters, with minority voters, he has not been that. >> you said preparatory donald trump debate by hillary clinton is going to be difficult. who would you have portrayed trump? would you have a mark cuban or something like that? >> that is a great question here it is going to be difficult because you are going to have to prepare for many. well behaved see that. kind of off the rails. trump who does not prepare for anything and based on reports, that is how we are doing it. you just don't know but i think the job is difficult so you will have to have somebody who can play many different roles that is fascinating, actually. >> let me put up a final headline. you were in the white house dealing with the politics of obama care for gears. these are headlines over the last couple of weeks.
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falling far short of the forecast projected at this time on sign-up. that me ask you this. how concerned are you that obamacare could implode on itself considering what we have seen this year. it has not been a good year for it. >> not at all. i think you have to step back. you have had millions of americans on healthcare coverage. we're seeing a lot of innovation on payments. health care costs have been on a trajectory. so what i'm after the selection, you will have the space to say, what is working well and i think, what needs to be strengthened and i think you will see a lot of republican governors. this isn't a very important contribution to the economy. to this country. >> given all the insurance
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>> i think the president wrote recently about that. we barely pass this thing. but i think, at the end of the day, he thinks that is part of the solution going forward. a lot to chelan -- a lot to chew on. we will be back reports of increasingly republican registration. they are true but may not appear to be -- but may -- but may not be all be. since when? since now. she's into tai chi. she found disc sports too stressful. hold on. let me ask you this... what's she gonna like six months from now? who do we have on aerial karate? steve. steve. steve. and alexis. uh, no. just steve. just steve. just steve. live business, powered by sap.
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we're back with the panel. while i was interviewing, he was talking about the immigration position. mike pence was on cnn at the same time and said, let's be clear. nothing has changed. his position on italy and illegal immigration, principles and policies have been absolutely consistent and that reminded me of something a spokesperson said earlier. let's talk about it. >> he has not changed his position on immigration. is changing the word he is saying. that he does not -- that he does not want to allow people to stay in this country illegally. >> he admitted that he has changed his position. what he has said in the primaries is different.
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rhetorical kings? >> as long as donald trump stays on offense. keeps his wallet and place. that is the north star from which he cannot depart and will not depart. he has always been ambiguous. that ambiguity is catching up with him. >> donald trump tends to reflect the report of the last person to talk to him. deliberately says it is a softening and then, i think he got in tr hard, incredibly and durable strong wahl and i do think donald trump is reflecting whoever is nearest him or the crowd that is cheering. >> it is the crowd that is cheering, the pushback. and you saw an example when he did the hannity town mall -- town hall. it's like the roman circuses. thumbs-up, thumbs down.
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>> you have to think about trump. last month, sitting in bed with piles of bacon cheeseburgers, hot dogs and ice cream. you have laura ingram, steve bannon. a family buried -- worried about the brand and you have all these voices. as you said, trump has latched on to that movement really who he is so this crucial junction, he is being flooded with device and navigating it. >> that is the businessman in him. that is why he keeps gravitating to middle ground because ultimately, middle rounders come. >> there is a disconnect there. she says she has not been at a meeting.
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think that voters could rightly ask and if this is a person that is so easily swayed by one of the loudest voices of the moment, what does that mean for his decision-making? who would actually have sway over policy in this country and then, you start to look at people around him. people like steve bannon who is toxic. you start to think about that inner circle and they would be incredibly powerful. >> i will point out that secretary clinton carries more baggage. >> if you want to talk about toxic people following in the wake of a candidate, let's talk about sidney blumenthal and clinton from the 90s. >> not more than stephan vanden -- steve bannon. and donald trumps economic advisers are his donors and have written an economic policy that would be very beneficial
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clinton foundation because what i don't understand is, the obama white house knew this was a problem. okay? >> that's right. it also means -- what is interesting, he was not fully comfortable wrapping his arms around the foundation. he was not. and i have noticed, they rally around her all the time. except when the foundation comes up. >> here is the pushback. something that we have to get on because they say there are winding down but what i am told is that it is really hard to one discount. for one thing, carver asked her on friday, why not just turn it over to the gates foundation. the gates foundation does grants. they don't do operations on the ground. the clinton foundation does. so, there are different types
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already accepted. the whole healthcare component which is one of the largest components. that will not be wound down. chelsea clinton is going to be on the board and they have been saying this for quite a while but the fact is that she is further down the board to help wind is down. let me just finish. bill clinton just said to all of us in the press on wednesday, that they don't want anyone to be fired. so it is going to be a slow wind down. and its not going to be wound down by the time she is elected. >> is the meeting. >> i know. >> [ multiple speakers ] >> very wealthy people give us money so we have 11.5 million aid in drugs and the quote me be who may call you back. that is not a good quid pro quo and i think we have to ask, the george bush foundation which
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years that his sons -- of his son's presidency. if we give to a foundation that benefited him, that does not benefit. >> the state department has been very uncomfortable about a lot of this and say they find nothing in which there is proof of action and i have to tell you, when we went through the store, they found emails. >> rich people get access and by the way, that is illegal -- that is legal. >> with mike pence yesterday, talking to swing voters. you get the sense that the clintons came out and had this big speech on the trump campaign and the republicans have always chattered about the
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is energizing republican voters and building a registration advantage going we are back in and it is data download time. you may have heard that donald trump is energizing a new group of republican voters and building a registration advantage going into the fall but the numbers show much more of a mixed picture. let me go through it. we decided to take up close look at battleground states with significant hispanic populations. since the beginning of this year, republicans have seen bigger registration increases in two states, florida and north carolina while democrats have seen increases at re colorado, nevada and arizona. and we know the unusual gop nomination and enthusiasm for trump did increase republican registration and all of the states. so, how do you -- how do you explain the increase in democratic registration? let's look at the hispanics. in 5 states, there are 18 counties with hispanic populations over 100,000. in 14 of the 18, registration
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in 15 of these 18 counties, the registration advantage went to the democrats. this is all significant because nearly registration of voters are more likely to be brand-new voters to the process and not just to the democratic party. meaning, the voters are hillary clinton. and as we pointed out this week, the republican registration gains in states like north carolina and florida are often formally registered democrats who have already been general election for years. many of them know which to vote in the primaries for the first time and that doesn't necessarily translate to new republican voters in november but a whole new republican primary electorate. what voters have to say about the tenor of this year's campaign. here is a hence. it is not pretty. -- here is a hint.
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abstract and we're back. -- struct and we are back. -- we're back hillary clinton is a bigot! >> hillary clinton's illness and take a look for yourself. >> john mccain has gotten week and has gotten old. i do know what happens to the body and the mind. >> through it all, he has continued pushing this credited conspiracy theory with racist undertones. >> i think mr. trump who we know has paid zero in taxes over the next four years. >> if you look at a guy's tax
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not pay taxes, there is a guy who is trying to dodge supporting our veterans. >> that was just a couple of mainstream innuendo. i did not bring up the lowest moment of the campaign which did not take place at the presidential level but up in maine. it -- we played an excerpt of this horrendous voicemail.>> i want to talk to you about your comments about my being a racist, you [expletive spent my life helping black people and you little [exploitive] -- >> wow! andrea, we always say
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little bit of peter hart's focus. >> i have more.>> and the reaction was skunk. >> let's hear it from them. let me show you. >> rotten eggs, garbage. >> stinks. >> skunk. >> skunk. >> garbage. this is a focus group of 12 people. they were unified of one thing. the odor of this campaign. >> and we are down to -- even some of her supporters, hillary clinton, who say she is a liar. and it will fear of donald trump because of how the hillary clinton team portraying him as reckless.
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it is getting uglier and louder and elected officials to what they have to say -- to get through? >> the irony is, this is the kind of discourse that they sort of dream of. one of their ideas, one of their sort of driving ideas is to explode the idea of political correctness to make the unacceptable acceptable and to be able to say, wh want on race or gender. to talk about the lgbt community because their idea of political correctness is what is destroying conservative republics is him in the country. >> when i talked to my sources close to the trump campaign, their outlook is bleak. if the clinton campaign can make the argument this is about temperament, this is about tone. they are likely to tilt toward
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>> i don't want to get lost. to me, this is bigger than trump and clinton in that we have condition the american political, whatever you want to collect, american politics, the institution to this crud. >> it is a resentment election. some elections are run on resentment and some are like in 2008. these two candidates have been alarmed -- around when john mccain was a war hero, two cycles where people are afraid to take the gloves off. both have been punching bags for ever. >> i just want to bring up the fact that it is clear that senators can say drug dealer -- >> on one hand, a great senator, called defining deviancy down and what we have is a political debate that is
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guess you could say who started it? >> it is not about who started it. i don't even want to get into that but there is rough and then there is rough. >> this has sort of to find a new low. you go back and look at some of the sarah palin rallies in 2008 and a lot of african-americans looked at that campaign and said this is the beginning of opening a door at least on race. the ascension of barack obama. >> you see rough campaigns throughout history. especially after two terms. look at reagan in 88 you see rough campaigns throughout history. especially after two terms. look at reagan in 8888 was a camp -- a rough campaign. 68 had a lot of fire to it. i know this is different because it is 24/7, immediate embodiment. >> a lot of the provocateurs are also entrepreneurs, money to be made and that is, i think, the reason why. >> fact checking doesn't seem to matter.
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meet the press end game is brought to you by boeing. >> we are we're back with end game. an interesting little note that the university of chicago to incoming students. let's put it on the board. our commitment to academic freedom means that we do not support so-called warnings, we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversy all. and we do not condone the creation of intellectual safe spaces where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own. i have to say, this came across what has been an odd few years of the over's reactions. -- over campus reaction. >> a lot of schools don't have
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there are guidelines on most universities. we are not canceling speeches no matter how controversial or how offensive and that gets back to the definition. >> to have debate and have access. >> this was done by a committee put together by professional jeffrey stone. i used to teach law for years. and adamant defender of open expression everywhere and it is long overdue and i surprised. the university of chicago has joined it. >> you just talked about the meanness of the campaign and now, you guys are praising but there is a difference being done with intellectual aptitude >> as the daughter of a college professor, i would say there are a lot of keepers -- teachers nervous about even the lectures they give because there may be a reaction from a student. i think we have gone too far in the direction of not allowing
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you have to balance the two of them. >> i think when i go back to college campuses, there is a real protest movement with people politically engaged but there is too much sensitivity sometimes. everyone should be respected but at the same time, i love what i heard from someone from the far left versus the far right. let's see the debates. >> one day, i saw jesse jackson coming and then the next day, newt gingrich. it was great that i went to both events. >> wellesley. it was the people she came in contact with that changed her. we all changed. >> is as close to the issue of diversity which is ideology and should it be a part of the diversity conversation in newsrooms? >> one other thing about your comment about the idiot campaign -- i covered it.
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it was a rough campaign but it was pre-talk radio, pre-cable tv and pre-internet. and the velocity of what is going back and forth. and the anonymity's you were suggesting. the meanness and the crudeness of this campaign and the fact that you can get pinocchio's but it doesn't matter because we are a question, either. >> are right. -- all right. two marathons are enough and we have our own marathon. 70+ days of it. that is all we have for today. we will be back next week took every single sunday, the rest of this year, it is "meet the
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