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she's like, christie, i need you to sit down. i'm like, oh, no. this is never a good thing. your dad was shot. i collapsed to the floor. none of it made sense t >> fences make good neighbors they say. this one made for a fight. >> private property, you don't have permission. >> big sky country shrunk small by one man. >> the neighbors felt he was a bully. >> this man refused to be fenced in. >> praise the lord for this country. >> a showdown, a shooting, and
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that. >> the shooter says it was kill oar be killed. what was the truth? >> he was murdered, pure and simple. >> the man who shot first told his story. >> it was him or me and i shot him. >> joe said, he came at me with a gun and i didn't have a choice. >> did the dead man's body tell a different story? >> he was looking the other direction and got shot in the back. >> only two men were there, and one of them is dead. truth. >> who is this guy that can steal such a beautiful soul from this world. >> i'm lester holt, and this is "dateline." here's keith morrison with "the feud." >> there's still places in america so peaceful, god must have been smiling. like this place in montana, the bob marshall wilderness.
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s of the national park. strange that a person up here would feel so tense. >> we always knew that something was going to happen. >> there was no question about it, sue de la rosa was a worried woman. >> we didn't know who was going to be on the receiving end of it. >> yes, there was trouble, big trouble. sue and her feel it in their bones. this had been such a happy place. for nearly a century, people have been coming here to hunt and fish and ride the trails. summer, winter, whenever. >> where are you staying up there? >> families like the de la rosas bought small lots down hill of the public lands. built an old dude ranch. >> it was a place to get away
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hair down and have fun. >> with no boundaries, i'm assume something. >> that was exactly right. >> harmony, community were the rule. in fact, in 2001 sue and dan were married up here by everyone's favorite waterfall. >> we invited everybody. it was a fun place to be. everybody was family up there. >> oh, how they loved it. >> praise the lord for this country. >> tim neumann loved it too. >> my dad was a real mountain man, he loved being out in nature and sleeping under the stars without a tent. that's what made him happy. >> jim and his family were fixing up a cabin here. >> he worked fast, real fast. he woik up to hammers banging and saws. >> he and jackie were each other's second chance at love, when they bowled each other over in 2004.
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or were before the trouble. it was that business about the land that started it. >> one of the neighbors would always use the land in the trails like everyone else, managed to buy up hundreds of acres for himself, smack dab between all those little cottages and the vast public wilderness up on the mountain. and then he refused to allow anyone to use the generations old trails connecting their ag his name is joe campbell. >> how did you feel about that? >> not happy. >> not good. it was like they were taking something away that was mine all along. we felt violated. really? why would you do that? >> brent culbert rerespondeded often. >> what was the main thing you would get called in there for? >> people trying to access the public land through private land.
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land blocking the access. >> any one particular name you began to hear about more than the others? >> yeah, mr. campbell. >> what was the neighbors feeling about him? >> the neighbors felt he was a bully. >> not only neighbors mind you. >> this is private property. you don't have permission. >> we are? >> joe campbell confronting a visiting hunting party. >> you're on our property. >> we're about 3/4 of a mile. >> joe was wielding a highpowered shotgun called a street sweeper. >> are you threatened? >> that ain't a bird gun. >> i always thought, he's going to run into the wrong type of person that isn't going to put up with him. i thought, either he would be shot by someone like that, or he was going to shoot somebody. >> there was the time joe barged into a della rosa family reunion, claiming one of their
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>> screaming, yelling profanities, just being an absolute jerk. >> the della rosas wrote a letter to the county attorney asking them to do something about joe before somebody got hurt. they were advised the property disputes were a civil matter. >> some of the families sued and years later, made a deal with joe that gave them the right to cross his land. joe put up signs listing the people granted access. >> >> not everyone could afford to join the lawsuit. >> tim newman, for example. >> it was hard for him to swallow that. he wasn't accepting of that at all. >> he figured his god given right to use those trails, superseded any lawsuit. >> it's annoying. >> yes, tim neumann was convinced, he had a natural right to cross campbell's land
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into the very public national forest. >> campbell lives somewhere over there, we're not going that way. >> by late september, 2013, tension was -- well, tense. tim challenging joe. joe increasingly angry. threats flying back and forth. and then it was hunting season. and here a brief calm. tim and a hunting friend avoided joe campbell's land. >> here we are. cutting tr. hunting season, 2013. she's getting pretty. >> later that week, tim left a voice mail for his daughter christie. >> and he was telling me about a bear he had just gotten. he had been wanting to get a bear for a long time. he finally got the bear. >> what's the old saying? sometimes you'll get the bear. sometimes -- well, you know the
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that day. >> but not for long. >> 911, what's your emergency? >> there were shots fired and one of them is down. >> a shooting up on the mountain. but who was the victim? and who was the shooter when we return -- >> she's like christie, i need you to sit down. i'm like, oh, no. this is never a good thing. >> and a puzzle for the sheriff. two guns, one angry man. >> thought he was going to shoot me, so i shot first. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well fitting dentures let in food particles. just a few dabs of super poligrip free is clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out.
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on a friday afternoon, october 2013. the sheriff raced 20 miles wilderness. >> we need clark county sheriffs. >> a 911 call, reports of shots fired, a man down. and when the deputy finally pulled to the stop, he found joe campbell standing behind the gate he built to block the traffic to public lands. and there in the dirt was tim neumann. the deputy ripped open neumann's shirt, saw a gunshot wound to
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>> my phone rang, she was like, christie, i need you to sit down. >> tim's daughter got a call from her aunt. >> oh, no, this is never a good thing. and i just immediately said, no. no, no. i don't want you to tell me what you're about to tell me, no. like no. and she's like i'm sorry, but your dad was shot. he's dead. >> tim neumann was 53, when he died beneath the big sky he loved. >> i was floored, i was >> i always knew with the guns being pulled something was going to happen. we just didn't know who was going to be on the receiving end of it. >> it's a beautiful area. how could anyone who lives in such splendor be so angry. >> sheriff dutton responded to the scene just after his deputies. and found joe campbell in the back of a patrol vehicle. >> we had to take his story at
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to -- seemed amiss. >> what was that story? >> it was plain -- i thought he was going to shoot me, so i shot first. >> made sense. >> tim neumann's 357 magnum was found on the ground, not far from his right hand. and the sheriff knew that tim neumann had been baiting the bear, fighting joe campbell's rules about who could or couldn't cross his land. he carried a video camera with him. >> this is what you have to go throughth cutting padlocks, which joe campbell used to lock his gates. >> when i first talked to mr. neumann about this, he admitted to cutting the locks and said he was going to continue to do that. if that's the case, me and you are probably going to be pretty good friends, i'll see you quite often. >> did you charge tim neumann? >> i did. i did. >> you wrote up tickets for him? >> i did. for criminal mischief to the
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>> saw a mountain lion. >> tim thought the charges would be put in front of a judge, where he would finally have the chance to set the record straight. but just days before the shooting, the county attorney dismissed all the charges against him. saying it was not a criminal matter, but a civil one. which tim neumann took as locks. >> did you ever say tim, this is not a good way to go. >> yeah, we did. >> you go out and cut someone's locks, they're not going to be a happy camper. >> which leads us back to the gate. where tim neumann now laid dead. >> joe campbell was telling sheriff's deputies a story. he and his wife were walking up the trail toward their property when tim started following them on his atv.
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through it, and as joe sent his wife to call the sheriff, tim got out of his atv and approached the gate with a pair of bolt cutters. then he moved down to the padlock. and noticed joe was wearing a pistol. >> i shot, i spun around, i thought i hit him, i wasn't sure. i spun around, and he still had the gun in h going down. i shot him again and i was ready to shoot again, and he dropped the gun and rolled over. and then he got up on his elbow, and said, you shouldn't have done that. >> that was joe campbell's story, he was threatened so he shot tim neumann twice. first in the chest, and then in the back. >> we didn't arrest him because
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don't have any duty to run if you feel threatened, then you can fro tekt yourself with deadly force. >> essentially, shoot first and figure it out later? >> yes. >> and figuring it out would take time. >> i can walk home. >> we'll give you a ride. >> so joe campbell was sent home that very day. and tim neumann's body was taken away for an but, of course, science would enter the story. science as glorious as all out doors. to bat away foolish human vanities. coming up -- >> this really all came down to what the body told you? >> absolutely.
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campbell went back to his home on top of the mountain. while many of his neighbors let the cabins diswade them. >> if all the neighbors had run and hid, he won. then he's got the whole place to himself, which is what he wanted originally. >> this was our paradise, even though it was shattered, we weren't willing to walk away. >> and many neighbors ventedo >> there's a montana law that became one of behavior. >> if you intend to defend yourself, you're within the law if you're --
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it. >> self-defense or murder? joe campbell confronted tim pointed a gun at him. that second shot in the back was half reflex, half fear, make sure he got the guy who threatened him. >> maybe it was the >> this was curious. >> tim was left handed, but his gun was found lying on the ground near his right hand. and tim's gun hadn't been fired. if he had the drop on joe as campbell said he did, how did joe get a shot off before tim could pull the trigger. the puzzle landed on the desks of deputy attorney general. >> i think mary and i both feel that we have an absolute right
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i think the challenge is, to try to bear it out, when there's a justifiable homicide, versus a situation where they wanted to commit murder, and they use force to get away with murder. >> the two prosecutors had to decide which applied in this case. they heard joe campbell's side of the story. the only story tim neumann could tell would come from his autopsy. >> this really all came down to what the body told wounds told you. right? >> absolutely. and from that autopsy, we learned that there were two shots to tim neumann, one shot was to the back, severed his spine and would have paralyzed him instantly from mid chest down. the other shot hit his hand first and then skimmed his chest and whizzed past his head. >> to the prosecutors, the angle
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have been in tim neumann's back. >> it told us that the story that joe campbell had told law enforcement that he had shot into tim neumann as tim neumann was rising up with his own gun, physically didn't work out from a common sense level. >> this is your miranda warning. >> they called joe in for a second interview when again he said tim was the aggressor, chased joe and his wifeh atv. >> we were scared, realably scared. >> maybe you should go home and call a sheriff. she didn't want to leave. >> but she did said joe, and that's when tim came at him. >> all of a sudden, out comes the gun. and i stopped him for a second. i had one question, i didn't want to forget it. >> you said you were fearful, i'm wondering why you don't take off.
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property and -- i didn't think -- i guess i was hoping he wouldn't do anything. >> instead, said joe, tim walked right up to the gate and him. and then -- >> pulls the pistol up. >> this joe campbell's story changed. right after it happened, joe quoted tim as saying, oh, you're armed? now he claimed tim pointed a gun right at him -- >> certainly that statement about cutting the locks, he's trying to show that tim neumann verbally told him he was going to shoot him. before that, there was nothing. >> about that thought that the angles of that shot was a shot in the back? no, no said joe. didn't happen. not long after they sent joe home again, and wondered what
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>> in the end we needed a shooting reconstructionist. and to reconstruct the shooting at the scene. >> that reconstruction would have to wait for one of those only in montana reasons. >> right after tim neumann had been shot, there had been a big snowstorm. the crime screen had been under snow all winter, to get him up to the crime scene so he could do his work. >> once again, it was springtime in montana. and the answer pure and mindless as the first tiny blossoms, rose up from the greening soil. >> it was murder. >> pure and simple? >> yes. >> how did they know? eight months after the fact? and how would they prove it to a jury? different sort of science all together, that. coming up, in the old west,
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could do. >> he shot him in the back in cold blood? >> he admits he shot him in the back. >> and if that was the first shot, this was murder. >> he stated that the next time i see tim newman, i'm going to push him down, i'm going to put him down. those were his words. ? better find a way to smooth things over. ? ? yeah. ? ? he would be less-wrinkly and winning at life. ??
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>> worse, breaking the unwritten code of the west. >> you're accusing this man of doing probably the lowest thing you could do in western mythology, shoot a man in the back. is that what he did? >> he admits he shot him in the back. >> but was it campbell's first shot or his second? that could make the difference between murder and self-defense. >> this was not a justified killing, and the state of monts find joe campbell guilty of deliberate homicide. >> remember the crime scene expert who had to wait for the snow to melt to make his calculations? this is him. >> my job was to independently investigate what could have happened at this particular crime scene. >> william schneck a forensic scientist. what he did was try with an assistant helping to reenact events as joe campbell claimed they had happened.
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tracking the bullets, that sort of thing. and -- >> were you able to reconstruct this scene as mr. campbell said it had happened? >> no, i was not able to do that for either shot. >> but guess what did line up. the shots in the opposite order that campbell had claimed. >> my opinion is, mr. campbell shoots mr. neumann in the back as he's running from the gate. at that point he falls to the ground on position, at that time mr. campbell takes the second shot, a grazing shot over the hand and across the chest. >> look at it, said the scientist. with tim falling with the first bullet to his back. he shoots a second time. was he right? why not call a legend to call it.
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spitz. >> he literally wrote the book on forensic pathology. >> i can only tell you this, if weight has a meaning by way of quality. this is nine pounds and a quarter. >> okay. all right. >> 89 years old when he took the stand. he investigated the assassinations of joh f kennedy, and dr. martin luther king and more. recently the casey anthony trial. what did dr. spitz say about this case. >> just to be clear, your opinion is that mr. newman was shot in the back as he turned away from the gate some ten feet from the gate? >> yes, that's correct. >> and then he fell to the ground on his back? >> that's correct. >> and then he was shot a second time landing in this death position? and those wounds to the hand
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>> line up perfectly. >> the big mystery then was why? why would joseph campbell have shot tim neumann in cold blood? well, remember that video of campbell taken by a hunting party in 2008? >> private property, you don't have permission. >> we are? >> prosecutors played it for the jury, to show that campbell wasn't afraid to confront and chase off anybody who dared cross his property, even when he was out numbered. >> you could see on tha hunters and to accept his story that he was terrified of tim neumann, a man, a neighbor of his that he had known seeminged implausible. >> nor was that an isolated incident. >> how would you describe that relationship. >> one word, miserable. >> and he looked up at me and he said, i don't know who you are, mr., but you're trespassing and
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>> this woman was an army colonel on leave from iraq, out with her father, when they were presented with campbell and his shotgun. >> hey, sweetheart, who are you? >> we are trying to go on a horseback ride. hey, i have to go back to iraq tomorrow, he refused to put the shotgun down. he started waiving, this is my property and this is my property, and you scant be on my property. >> the clearest proof that joe campbellnt kill tim newman, his own words, like what he said to the deputy county attorney who declined to prosecute timms for cutting locks, this was days before the shooting. >> he told me if i wasn't going to take care of mr. neumann, he would. >> and this one. >> he did refer to tim leaving the top of the mountain in a body bag. >> joe's words to a contractor, two days before the shooting. >> he cleared his jacket back
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side like that and he stated that the next time i see tim newman, i'm going to push him down, i'm going to put him down, lemonde the. >> he said he was going to kill him, and then he killed him. it was murder. >> the rule in montana is as clear as day, you can't -- you can defend your castle if threatened, but absent a threat, murder is what it is. what could j say about that? as it turned out, lots. coming up -- >> i was trying to stay alive. that's all i want to do. it's him or me, and i shot him. i did. >> dramatic testimony from the accused. but would a jury believe him? so all these people came into court, took an oath and have
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old courtroom the view was about to get decidedly hazier. >> it is about self defense. >> this is joe campbell's attorney, greg jackson who wanted the jury to see justifiable shooting by a terrified man in fear for his life. >> he was faced with a decision at that point. try to stay alive or die. >> all testimony by dr. westerner -- werner spitz, and then vincent dimaio. >> you have to have description of where the shooter is, then you can say this is consistent or it is not consistent at all. >> in this case dr. da my oh came to a different conclusion.
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mr. campbell's story. >> he offered his own theory, tim could have been jumping or falling backwards when the first bullet hit his hand and chest and the second shot hit him in the back. duelling experts maybe cancel each other. if joe campbell was walking out of the courtroom a free man, the perceived him and her in a favorable way. >> joe campbell is my husband. >> here was his wife. >> how long have you two been married? >> 23 years. >> the only other survivor of the confrontation on the hill. so far you heard joe campbell was a bully. >> isn't any right of way
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dangerous old man, unafraid and aggressive. but she told the jury in the weeks before the shooting it was tim newman driving a pickup that confronted them as they walked to their horse pasture. >> he said joe and tani, finally found you. joe just said tim, we've given you notice you're not welcome at our place, please don't harass us. >> were you afraid of him when you were next to the road? >> w let's go, and he just hollered out his window come on, let's just get it over with right now. and then he did drive off. >> that's why she said she and joe were afraid of tim. and why on october 18th as she and joe walked toward home they were alarmed to see tim coming up behind them. >> what were the things that made you believe he was going to
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>> he was just wanting to cut the lock, why would he chase us up the hill? why would he do that? we were watching him. he was on his atv and he was off his atv and grabbing bolt cutters. he was unpredictable, highly agitated. >> what do you and joe decide to do next? >> joe just kept saying you need to try to get out of here, get safe, go home, call the sheriff. i didn't want to leave joe. >> but she did leave, she says, and on the way to calling 911 heard gunshots, placed the call, rushed back, and -- >> i saw joe standing at the gate, he said he came at me with the gun and i didn't have a choice. and i saw mr. newman lying on the ground. >> and in the sometimes tense cross examination, prosecutors
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also from previous interviews. but altered or not, her story was emotional as was joe campbell's. >> call joe campbell to the stand. >> so sometimes frightened grandfather of seven or neighborhood bully that brandished his weapon at neighbors and strangers. the defense sat out changing perceptions. the neighbors, the hunters. >> did you threaten them with a shotgun, anything of that nature? >> no. they were trespassing, i asked them to leave. >> the army colonel and her father. >> ever point a shotgun at us? >> no, sir. >> no getting around the fact he told the deputy da he was going to take care of tim newman
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perceive that, could there? >> we were going to take legal action, we were really frustrated. i was really frustrated. >> legal action, he was just a peaceful, frustrated man and was terrified when tim chased them up the hill in a rage that day in october, 2013. man had murder in his eyes, said joe. >> it's hard to stand up here and say in front o that's all i wanted to do. thinking about tani, my kids, my grandkids. it was him or me, and i shot him. i did. >> had joe campbell succeeded in changing the jury's perception? before mr. campbell could leave the witness stand, the prosecutor got a chance to cross
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neighbors said they knew too well. >> lamont moltre says approximately two to three days before you shot and killed mr. neumann, you told him, i'm going to put him down. did you say that to mr. moltre? >> i did not. >> so all these people came into court, took an oath and lied in front of the jury, is that right? >> ultimately the prosecutor said joe campbell could have avoided a confrontation, could have, but did not because he wanted it. >> all you have to do to save your wife, save yourself, is to turn downhill and walk, jog, run down the hill. >> i looked at the options, it is a hell of a lot harder on the hill side when somebody is threatening you than to be here
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>> if you were a juror, what would you think of joe campbell and the gun play on the mountain? was it murder or self defense? coming up. waiting for the jury. >> there's so much anxiousness. >> hoping for justice. >> who is this guy can steal >> who is this guy can steal such a beautiful soul from this ? at village inn, it's about how it makes you feel.
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or was it cold-blooded murder. neighbors dan and sue della rossa waited. willed their thoughts into the jury room. >> i believe he murdered him. >> murder, absolutely. >> they knew full well since montana passed a new law legalizing certain kinds of self defense, it was hard to know what a jury might decide. >> find him not guilty, there will be for sale signs for everywhere up there. >> nervous hours around the old courtroom which turned into a >> there's so much anxiousness just waiting for the jury to come back. >> and then just after noon, day two, the jury sent the judge a note. >> please be seated. >> everybody was summoned to the courtroom. >> i am told that you folks are hopelessly deadlocked and that even if given more time you
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is that your understanding of events? >> yes, your honor. >> i am going to declare a mistrial. >> a mistrial, three weeks of testimony for naught. >> the state may or may not bring the case again. thank you. >> i couldn't believe it. it was a complete shock for the family that he could just leave that courtroom, not have a guilty or not guilty and like nothing happened. like nothing happened. well, this case said the prosecutors, the decision was obvious. they offered joe campbell a plea deal and scheduled a retrial because. >> it is a dangerous situation and i'm concerned it will be repeated and somebody else will be killed. >> joe campbell remained out on
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the mountain. but less than three months later, may, 2016 joe campbell elected not to face a second trial. instead he walked into a courtroom and waived his claim that the shooting was legal. >> how do you plead to the charge of negligent homicide? >> no contest, your honor. >> a plea of no contest, meaning campbell neither admitted nor denied the charge that he committed negligent homicide. allegation of intentional homicide, montana's parlance for firth degree murder. >> i believe it is in the best interest of myself and my family. >> in a case like this, said prosecutors, you take what you can get. >> focusing on community protection. and we think it's probably the best agreement we could reach and have a guaranteed resolution of this case. >> before the judge pronounced sentence, tim newman's wife jackie went to the podium.
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to be aware as tim's wife you have affected our lives in a horrendous way. >> tim's daughter, christie, also sent a statement, unable to be present because she just had a baby, a granddaughter tim never got to see. >> my dad died a hero. what will you die? >> it makes me very angry, yeah, very upset, very sad. like who is this guy that can just steal such a beautiful soul from this world. >> the judge offered joe a chance to explain or apologize. >> is there anything you would like to say? >> no, your honor. >> campbell also declined a chance to explain on "dateline." his lawyer released a statement saying the plea agreement allowed mr. campbell and his wife and family to go forward with certainty of freedom and removal of constant stress and anxiety, while still allowing him to maintain his innocence
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defense. >> for your plea of -- >> the sentence was of course part of the deal with the state, 20 years. but not in any prison. all of it suspended sentence. >> no fines or restitution imposed. >> as neighbors listened, the judge told joe he'll have to abide by some very important conditions. he'll never again be allowed to even if he manages to live that long, he cannot return to the mountain he once called home. he will never again set foot in his house, his forest, his trail, his precious property. >> ironic, isn't it, you care so much about your property that you never get to see it again. >> yeah. >> yeah. it is very ironic. you know, before he owned all
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like all of us. and he walked down those trails across everyone else's property and hunted and enjoyed it, and life was good. when he decided he needed to take control is when it all changed. >> like a fable, isn't it? >> yes. >> aesop could have written it. >> there you go. >> and if tim neumann were on a cloud up there his daughter christie, he'd be telling her -- she knows exactly what he'd say. >> i'm sorry, sorry, darling. sorry for going up to that gate, i'm sorry i am not there to meet my granddaughter. i'm sorry we can't go on another hike together. i love you, you know. >> praise the lord for this
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