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captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: it is over a year since nuclear talks between iran and the international community broke down. in that period iran has continued to enrich uranium, that a right it holds as a signatory to the nonproliferation treaty but doubts about the country's intentions have increased after human rights record, the international community imposed sanctions last june. the obama administration, europe and other countries followed with stiffer unilateral sanctions designed to make it harder for companies and banks to do business with tehran. iran and the european union

are expected to return to nuclear talks next month. joining me is mohammad javad larijani head of the human rights counsel and judiciary, advisor to ayatollah khamenei. i'm pleased to have mr. larijani at this table. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: two things i should say. first of all you have a ph.d in mathematics from the university of california so you came here in the '70s to go to university, yes. >> okay. >> rose: okay, i,, you know america. you were here as a student. secondly, you come from this really remarkable family in iran. some have called you, your family the kennedies of iran. tell us about the family first, before we have this serious conversation about issues. yes, i'm coming from-- i'm a member of a famous family i should say, this is the one thing,

instance of the family members, family members are emerging as different political and social positions rather than to be put in that position from the orders from above. if stems from my father who was a famous islamic scholar. well-known in iran and even in iraq and other countries. >> rose: his name was. >> his name was ayatollah amoli. and perhaps while as the older son i was the first to step into political life after coming back to iran after revolution. so i started political life within the foreign ministry adjacent with cabinet life and then moved to the parliament,, to the national security council. well after that my brother

followed suit. >> rose: which brother. >> ari which is right now the speaker of the parliament. and he was minister for some times. i was the chief negotiator on the resolution 598 which brought an end to the war. iraq-iran war. and ali was for a limited time chief negotiator in the nuclear dispute but he moved into the parliament. i have another brother who is also an ayatollah and he recently became head of judiciary. he's also well-known scholar. >> rose: sadar. >> sadar. it is him that is islamic scholar, he's very fluent in english language as well. i have another brother who is a famous medical doctor and he's the head of tie ran university in medical science. i have another brother who is a scientist, a physicist but he's working as cultura cultural-- his last post was

cultural atache to canada but he has an academic career. so we are five brothers. >> rose: so when you come together for dinner. >> yeah. >> rose: what, is there great debate among you about the future of iran, about policy, about a relationship with the rest of the world? >> well, yes. we gather every week in my mother house. and then in fact, she enjoys that when we talk about serious things. so usually one issue which comes up. we are-- we are very much followed in the press. so we are on the spot. so everything we say from one corner and another, it makes some criticism or reaction, something like that. so this will be the beginning of the debate. +++9x<

in shiite islam there is no institution in terms of having-- rank and file. church means in our school of thought, an academic structure which people who know islam, not more than that. a state should have his own election based on the legal t hing. for example, there our system of governance we have three main posts of powers. one is the leadership. the leadership is b is an institution, a social political institution and the leader is elected by a counsel of experts. and this counsel of experts of 67 people are elected by the people for five years and each, they elect the leader and they can detach him from leadership, for example, my brother eye tolda sadar is a member of this counsel elected by province. each year they extend the mandate of the leader. look to his way that is delivering and then we have the institution of presidency which is generally

all exdifficult branch is under his order. and selected, the third one is the parliament which is elected by the people. i was myself for years member of the parliament from tehran. >> rose: is anybody challenging the leader from iran. >> definitely yes. nobody is immune from challenge. the thing which is sacred in our law, nobody should offend islam. >> rose: nobody should offend. >> offend islam. >> rose: should insult islam. >> insult islam, this is for me, will get harsh punishment. >> rose: that is part of the problem right there. because you define what it is to assault and offend islam. and therefore you can, if there is a lawyer you don't like you put him in jail and you charge him or her, her with offending islam.

correct? >> no, it is not correct. lawyers as far as the professional act is considered, as far as they are pursuing the support and defense of their client, nobody will put them in jail for that purpose. offending islam is another issue. >> rose: a significant number or it is said lawyers who have been put in jail because of they were defending clients who were not popular. one lawyer who was defending a popular well-known international client fled to norway. >> the lawyer who fled to norway, in fact, this is a very good example. it was supposed that this lawyer should always commute in the corridors of the court to help-- the poor lady which was indicted over there for capital punishment. but this guy never spent any moment in the corridor of the court. she, he flew, he is flying

from one capital to another to make interviews. >> rose: he must have been flying away in fear. >> well this is what he claims. but even the client never met her, never met him. or find anything to support as a lawyer in the jail. so this is misusing the title of lawyer and misusing the oath of the lawyer. i want to tell you exactly that nobody is in jail because he is a lawyer defending-- if a lawyer is defending one person, definitely that person should be accused of some crime. so defending a person to be popular or not doesn't matter. a lawyer could defend a notorious criminal person as well. so this is not a bad thing for a lawyer. but offending islam, being a lawyer, being a peasant,

being everybody, it has punishment according to our lawyer. >> rose: how do you define offending -- >> well, okay. the offense of islam. >> rose: is talking to the foreign media. >> everybody is talking to the foreign media. and this is not the problem. the problem is that when you undermine, you say, for example, this sacred part of islam is something rotten, forget about it, this is offense of islam, yeah. >> rose: the u.n. resolution calls for iran to end stoning. >> well, this resolution is asking iran a lot of unjust, unfair-- . >> rose: why is it unjust to ask a nation to end stoning? why is stoning a just punishment? >> well, these are two questions. suppose there is a law in a country which considered by others unjust. you cannot condemn that country because they have a law which others consider unjust.

>> rose: some people may consider hanging unjust. >> yeah,>> that's quite true. let me make it clear that stoning, judges in iran rarely, in two, three years, sometimes give this judgement on a stoning. but adultery in a nation of 17 million obviously cannot be confined it to two or three couple of years. so obviously, adultery automatically does not get a stoning. but there is another main argument which i think this is very important to look the differences. in the eye of the west-- western media or legal experts, any bodily punishment is unjust. i prisonment is the most human punishment. this is a presumption in all western, accepted in all western community. the set of judiciary, was a very well-known scholar. he raised an argument that this may not be always true.

he compared, for example, a man condemned to ten lashes because of a robbery or there is a choice or six months in prison. he compared these two. ten lashes will be in confinement of the police, nobody is aware of that. and after half an hour he will go home, perhaps only his wife will be aware of that. but put him in jail for six months, everybody will be aware. >> rose: he will be social os tra civil. >> plus the family will be devived. so he raised this argument that they were sump shun that imprisonment is always the best punishment is not valid. >> rose: -- what is going to happen to her. >> capital punishment in iran should go through the first court, the second court, and the high court and since it is capital punishment, it needs

authentication process. it means that the other judiciary should have the option to revise the whole case. this is number one with. number two, mrs. ashtiani the main crime was killing her husband. >> rose: has she admitted that or not. >> yeah, she-- well, i'm not going to say that she did it or not. i don't know. this was the judge ruling that-- . >> rose: but has she said she did or has she said, has she denied it. >> she did not deny it as far as we reviewed the case of her. >> rose: but did she admit it? >> well, admitting is only one part. i think the police-- . >> rose: and were there extenuating circumstances if she was involved? >> yeah, i mean let us leave that to the judge. because i don't want myself to indict the president. >> rose: but you have said a-- is your commission, your human rights commission trying to save her life?

>> yes. >> rose: and what are you doing to try to save her life. >> very good. the capital punishment in iran, 65% of that is not a public responsibility. it is private responsibility. what it means. it means that when the judge rules that this person should get capital punishment it is left to the first degree family. if they forgive her or him then he will be saved. if not, not. so this is the place that we as the counsel of human rights enter the game. we go to the first family, we say look, your son has been killed by his wife. but there is no reason that you ask for the life of this woman. we tried to get their consent. sometimes we raise fund to give to them. in a lot of good cases we are successful.

if it is done that we, i hope it will be done soon, then i think her whole life will be saved. but it should-- the first the family should accept that. >> rose: her life may be saved but she will not be stoned. >> no, no, she won't be stoned in that case, yeah, yeah. >> rose: she won't be stoned in any case, will she? >> i don't think so. >> rose: let me go to some of the other issues because i'm pleased you here. >> one thing i want to mention. that if you look to iran through the media coverage in the west, you are losing a lot of what are we lossing? >>. >> well, the reality over there wz. >> rose: what is the reality. >> the reality is that iran is a dynamic society. people may have difference-- different ideas on women. and the women issue, there are more than 2,000 ngos, women educated more than 64% of university. so this is the reality. >> rose: here's also said to

be the reality too, that you cannot communicate freely in iran over the internet. and through other modern means of technology. that you restrict that. and that, this is part of what the human rights indictment against iran by the united nations resolution was about. >> well, first of all, this resolution should not be the base of judgement about iran. >> rose: but the united nations t wasn't one country. >> well, we should not be-- should not be naive. united nations is a place that -- in which countries like united states, a number of western countries, they could use this system for their end. in the same committee that the draft was set over there, strong voices was supporting iran. very strong voices. >> rose: political freedom. if i came to iran could i interview mr. moussavi. >> no question. >> rose: if i came to tehran

i could see them, talk to them, they would have full opportunity to express -- >> there have been-- they are always talking to the western bhedia through a lot of means. >> rose: i haven't seen a interview with mr. moussauie in the western media in a while. >> look to the bbc, percent and percent-oriented. the western, i mean the nonpercent language, western media are not any more interested in him. otherwise they were covering these interviews. and about internet, i'm the person who brought internet to the country about 18 years ago. >> rose: why do you ban it, what are you frightened of. >> we are not frightened it banned for law. >> rose: but why ban it. that's the idea of a free society. not to ban -- >> well there is no absolute free society in the world. i mean recently united states, they passed a law that they can stop the whole internet in the country if it is considered necessary by the president. just signed the bill.

so they cite the security. we cite lawsuit. for example, pornography, defamation about islam materials, things like that should be banned. it is against the law. >> rose: i can ask you this, and i generally don't have this conversation for different-- do you agree with what president ahmadinejad says about the holocaust? do you, i mean if you are a free society, you can speak your mind, do you agree with everything he says about -- >> well, i spoke my mind freely both in iran and outside. >> rose: and what did you say. >> i said holocaust issue is a disgrace to humanity. not done to the jews only f it is done to everybody. we are against that. but to use holocaust-- . >> rose: we're not talking about using holocaust, we're talking about the existence. not the use of it, the existence of it. >> you just said that if those things happened it was a disgrace to humanity. >> to every-- if it is done in gaza to muslim, to christian, to jews.

>> rose: but holocaust was of different dimensions. >> well no, in fact, the dimension of atrocities which is committed-- . >> rose: let me understand this. it is important that you say, i think you are lifern different. you can help us understand because of the clarity of your english. it is that if, -- you are saying ug want the holocaust seen in the context of other acts against humanity. that is all are you saying. i want you to look at it in the context of other acts against humanity. not that it didn't happen, not that the jews didn't suffer the holocaust. but i want you to look at it in the context of other. >> no, i want to say that holocaust is bad. not because it is done to jews, because it is done to everybody's bad. >> rose: and if in fact it is done to jews it is bad. >> definitely it's bad. >> rose: fair enough, so therefore you are different from what the president says. >> no, it is to the different. i think the president also believe that holocaust is bad if it is done to jews. it is against islam. >> rose: and would you accept the fact it was done to jews?

>> you know that. >> let me be clear on that. i know that because of the general text and history. i'm not an expert. >> rose: you know that because you are an educated man. >> because i read about it. because there is plenty of literature about it. >> rose: this is another debate but you clearly know that and you know, because there is, you don't have to shall did -- you came out of science. you were a mathmatician. >> it is true. >> rose: and you know fact when with you see fact. >> well. >> rose: and therefore you know, so why carry this on? >> fwho, we did not see the fact. we read about the fact. so what why i try to doubt it. because killing such a mass order in such a massive order is bad. why we should be-- and the fascism in germany inflicted more than 60 million, damage to the life of the people. why we should be happy of

that. so definitely holocaust is bad. there is no doubt about it. the things that-- . >> rose: and there is no doubt that it happened? >> well, you see, i don't-- i believe that holocaust happen. let me tell you personally very openly. but the degree of my belief on that differs from my degree of the belief i do have on other things. why i believe in that, because i read a lot of text about it. but this is one kind of belief. the main thing that ahmadinejad was pointinging that holocaust should not be a pretext to legitimize another holocaust. this was his main argument. and he started to doubt that if for example in israel they are using that much heavily to legit my its action there may be something wrong in the basic one. but this is another argument. from the historical text, the common one there are rare texts which doubt on that, both, all of them are western.

some german, some french, some americans started to doubt. doubt on a lot of things. the extent of it, the number of it, the way as we-- but why we should enter that? kimming people is bad. let us agree on that. >> rose: fair enough. let me move to another issue about the nuclear issue today. here is a quote, admiral blair who was a former director of national intelligence, the man who used to be, who briefed the president every day and was the person who brought in the cia intelligence and nsa intelligence and brief the president every day was on this program recently. here is what he said about iran and the nuclear weapon. here it is. >> if i had to have one choice, but i wouldn't bet my national policy on that. i would make a national policy if i were still in

government that had the breadth to cover both possibilities. because as i said iran hasn't made up its mind. we don't know who will win in this argument so we have to be ready either way. >> iran has not made up its mind. >> iran has not made up its mind. the supreme leader has not yet spoken. >> here is the plan who is in charge of reporting to the president and american intelligence saying iran has not made up its mind about whether it wants nuclear weapons and they're opposing arguments. and that the supreme leader will decide. is that accurate. >> well, i'm sorry for the president for this bad advice. we made our mind very clearly and very rigorously. we do not want arm ament, nuclear arm ament. this is definite. we made our mind, we want the most advanced nuclear technology for a lot of

peaceful use. >> rose: if the argument, i'm way over here. but if the argument is made that if in fact that saul wanted you could easily condense the-- convince the world but you don't try to convince the world of that. instead because think you have the right to do it, even though you are a signatory. dow not try to convince the world. because you block efforts to learn more. you have acknowledged concealment. >> no, the point is that united states is saying that we are suspicious of iran's intentions. fine. they are suspicions-- suspicious of us. we are suspicious of their intention as well. >> rose: it's mott than that, it's not the united states, it is the iaea, not the united states. an american does not head the iaea as you know. >> well w this is flag leaded by the united states and supported by a number of prominent european members. this is a reality.

so they are suspicious of us, fine. how we should handle this suspicion. the united states is saying okay, we are suspicious of you. halt everything. deprive yourself from any access and development of nuclear technology. wait until we get out of suspicion. this is the most naive recommendation i have request from iran. but what we say, we say okay, are you suspicion. you are obliged to ask the legal body for more transparency. that's fine. we are ready for absolute transparency. but parallel to that we should be using all the possibilities of mpt on buying the fuel for a nuclear plant and buying the equipment and getting technical help. it's not possible that we put in the suspicious chair and people say okay, wait until we get sure of you. this is the worst argument. this is the case in iran.

>> rose: in terms of the acquisition of nuclear technology for peaceful uses you should be proud of that. >> this is exactly what we are proud of that. >> rose: why don't you act as if that is your only objective. >> well, i said the formula is-- . >> rose: and it's not -- >> is transparency. no more than that. >> rose: but there has not been transparency. that's the point. and so therefore you -- >> with our record on transparency supersede even europeans. >> rose: europeans, listen, the sanctions have been voted on by europeans. >> i know. >> rose: it's not americans. it's europeans. >> well,. >> rose: it's russians. it is the chinese. >> if transparency is the point, our record is very good. but they don't accept the logical transparency. their logic deprivation. they say iran should not have the capability. even george bush said that openly. they said this nation should not be having even

capability. >> rose: so there you go. what you really want is the capability to have nuclear weapons. >> well, no. >> rose: that's exactly what you are saying. you want the capability to have nuclear weapons. >> no, not nuclear weapons. if we get advancement in nuclear science the capabilities's obvious. if you want to go to that-- like any other capability. you cannot say to the president you shouldn't buy knife to cut the cheese because if you get the knife, you may kill a person. so you should cut the cheese by spoon. this is the wrong logic. >> rose: so you want the knife to cut the cheese. >> yes, exactly. say let me be frank on that. we don't have trust in united states and western countries. and they don't have trust in us as they claim. i believe obama's intelligence-- . >> rose: ronald reagan had a famous sheaing which-- saying which you know, do you know about continues. >> what was that. >> rose: trust but verify. >> this is good.

okay. the allegation against us, if they don't have trust, let's go on the way of verification. why we don't have trust. >> rose: because you don't let them verify. >> no, we don't have trust in the west. >> rose: it's not about the west t is about what your intentions are. >> the trust is a two-way story. not a one way story. >> rose: let me ask you finally about-- go ahead, glyph you a chance to talk because we have gone long here. with respect to hezbollah, to the state of israel, the state of israel, tell me how you see the state of israel? >> well, i'm prague magazine test. to create a jewish state-- i'm a pragmatist. to create a jewish state, failed and greatly failed. >> rose: its economy is prosperous. >> well, these economy-- . >> rose: it's -- >> this economy is-- . >> rose: it is much better than iranian economy, as you know. >> well, with the help it

gettinging from the united states and western countries. >> rose: all the help that you could get if in fact you did not have the nuclear issue. >> no, if we were different, then we are not iran. so the point is that the creation of a jewish state in the palestine is the source of all tensions in the region. even the jews are suffering. >> rose: but the problem is, is that you fight this, you, your nation, not you, fights the, any effort to find a peaceful solution. >> no, no. >> rose: and create two states. >> no, this is wrong. >> rose: why is it wrong. you know who told me that. the leader of the palestinians said that to me in an interview, one country that opposes us -- >> well, this a mistake of our past. because these people are opposing that more than we. we are not in a position to decide for palestinian to have two states or one states. it's up to them, first of all. secondly, we say that let

the palestinians, jews, muslim and christian, has a say in the future of their land. to create a enclave called jewish state and leave the rest to live in a small-- this is not called democracy. >> rose: everybody knows -- >> so first of all it is this shall did shall did. >> rose: are you okay with a two-state solution for the palestinians. >> what dow mean. >> rose: i mean the state of israel living side-by-side with the state of palestine. with agreed on borders, approaching the 67-- '67 borders, with a capital, palestinian capital and east jerusalem. >> i will give concrete answer. we, we honor and respect any decision that the palestinians-- . >> rose: that's the party line in iran, as you know it is the party line, agreed. we respect any decision the palestinians make. >> definitely. >> rose: but what if you were a nation. what if there was a nation saying our will is to banish

israel from the face of the earth. would you condemn that if there was a state that said, and the head of a state that said we would like to banish israel from the face of the earth. how would you feel about that? and especially how would you feel about it if you were annis rail. >> well, israel is used to threaten every country. >> rose: just speak to the question of you. >> i'm coming to that. israel is the country who is threatening iran and others every day, this number one. number two, what we are saying that the creation of jewish state was the great mistake, a great harm, even a great harm to the security of united states. 9/11, why it happened, it was a degree of that tension over there. >> rose: no, it was not. >> well, this was-- . >> rose: nooib nine was not a consequence of the creation of a jewish state. the people who said that they attacked the united

states did to the do that because of the israeli-palestinian issue. they had a whole series of other reasons they did it. >> they only later in their own-- ideology a doed some -- >> wlis ennot-- . >> rose: al qaeda was not founded about israeli-palestinian issues. it was founded about what was happening within islam, as you well know. >> i will come to that. i do not agree with that assessment. but we think in the land of palestine, jews, muslim and christian should be treated the same. >> rose: fair enough. and there is as be israeli state and palestinian state. >> it is up to them but they should be treated -- >> but you see the reality, the reality is that in the present jewish state, they say that every muslim should come to the flag and say well, i have full confidence in this flag, but this is not asked from other citizens. this is a war settup in a country which claims to be a model of democracy.

this is our problem. >> rose: okay. state your problem one more time. because there are people who, you know t has now become part of the, i think demand and conditions of israel that, you know, that israel be recognized as a jewish state but what is your issue? >> millions of muslims are leaving in their home which is right now under the auspices, under occupation. >> rose: within the borders of israel. not even in the occupied part, within with the 67, pre'67 borders. >> and they are asking them come to the flack and state your oath to the flag. and this is very interesting is in a country which is claiming to be the model of democracy. we think muslims and jews and christians should be left free. why not they should enjoy to live together. >> rose: okay. and dow feel the same way about people who live in the state of iran. >> exactly. >> rose: they should be allowed to be free to express themselves. >> exactly. >> rose: to enjoy human rights.

>> exactly. >> rose: and be able to protect their government. >> exactly. >> rose: and speak against their government reasons exactly. >> rose: all of those things. >> yes. >> rose: all right. >> but not to indulge in violence, to kill policeman to put fire on the banks, things like that. not violence. what we are against is violence. what we are against is terrorist activities. we stand firm on that. >> what do you think of al qaeda. >> rose: al qaeda is a disease which united states has a road to-- role to create that. and the roots of that goes back to the time that the russians were occupying afghanistan. somehow they decided to create taliban as a counterbalance of islamic revolution. >> rose: here is the interesting thing about what you just said too. the taliban is no friend of iran. >> well, we were in war with taliban for two years, three years before 9/11. >> rose: exactly. so the taliban are no

friends of iran, correct. you were at war with them. you lost 40,000 people. >> they were close frien friend-- close strategic allies of the u.s. in the region. >> rose: no, that's not-- i guess the last question is having to do, what's the status of the relationship today, what is the possibility of the relationship today between the united states and iran? >> well, it depends on the competence and decision of the government of the united states their present line is full hostility toward us which is a three decades long. >> rose: no, that's not truement as you know. the president has expressed often -- >> i would be happy if it's not true. but the reality says that it is true. but we think the tension between iran and united states is neither in the benefit to the united states and the benefit of iran. these tensions should be contained.

this tension should be decreased. and we should work on issues at least our interests converging if not intrinsically, at least accidentally. they are converging together. and we swhud be practical. >> rose: and so what would it take to make that happen? >> well, it needs courage from the president of the united states of america. >> how about courage from the supreme leader of iran? >> how about courage and the willing. >> to be open. >> we are very much open on that case. ahmadinejad has spoke very openly about good relation with the united states. >> rose: ahmadinejad, are you happy with his leadership of iran, you. >> ahmadinejad. >> rose: yes. >> well, ahmadinejad is doing very well in a lot of cases. >> rose: there is a but at the end of this. >> we are politicians. so we cannot give carte blanche to anybody. but you know-- . >> rose: i hear you.

>> yeah. >> rose: we started with talking about our families, an interesting family and a great country that you come from. thank you for being here. >> thank you very much. >> rose: quincy jones is here, he is a music legend. his work as a composer and producer has earned 27 grammy awards. he has collaborated with some of the best artists of the 20th century from miles davis to michael jackson. here is a look at his remarkable life from the pbs series american masters. >> quincy jones in new york city frames a time in which a number of us were in new york city. i mean i was there, many other actors, other actors, musicians, the way harry belafonte, any number of people. >> when you go in and watch him work, watch him how he talks to an artist and even sinatra, that was like talking to god, i guess. sinatra was not an easy guy

but with quincy, hey, q, so-and-so, q what do you think, q. frank, let's do this over. so he was always had the artist relaxed. the artist was always friendly, we say. ♪ with all the words ♪ here at my command ♪ i just can't make you understand ♪ ♪. >> quincey jones discovered me on a national level. in the split second to look up on the screen and there i am and say that is sofia, that's vision, that's heart, that's a talent and a gift that i think a lot of people just don't have i mean how do you know this person is it? ♪ we are the world ♪ we are the children. >> we are the world is probably one of the most

famous music sessions in the history of music. when with everyone may think of the song, the session has become famous. ♪ say yeah ♪ say yeah ♪. >> more than 40 years after some arrangements, quincy is operating on the world stage. seeking the pope's help and appealinging for debt relief in third world countries, developing an internet intrastructure to south africa. and attending the world economic conference in switzerland. >> quincey has always had an enormous amount of empathy, feeling for other people. probably born of the pain of his own childhood. and the fact that he's got a

big brain and a big heart. >> rose: at the age of 77 he continues painting the world of muss wick his own colors. he has a new book called q on producing. he also has a new album called soul bosanostra. i'm pleased to have him back at this table, a very, very good friend and i say welcome again. >> god bless you. how are you. >> always good to see you. >> boy, you have done it all. you have been with them all. i mean and it's not just music. >> i love everything it's not just music. you know every aspect of life. i mean whether it's president its or great men like mandela, artists. it's been a hell of a run. >> i was had been over the care of 14 nobel doctors in sweden and they meet me

every year for six days. you talk about some minds. they are all jazz musicians too, by the way. and they said that the four years and thoughts how their thoughts should come, that they say. the words are love, laugh, live and give. >> rose: love, laugh, live and give. love, laugh, live and give. those are the four words. >> i've been trying to live that way my whole life. >> rose: you also have on your lapel where certain national governments have recognized you as well. >> well, they at the kennedy center and the i just got boosted up to commander and i got a cute-- from colin powell that said you just got a-- older than me. he's a great man. >> rose: so how do you keep going? >> sinatra i think said it succinctly. every night we would be on the sand in vegas and said live every day like it is

your last one and then you'll be ready. >> rose: and so that has been your motto. >> and i would rather say i'm sorry that i wish hi. >> rose: so tell me about this. what is this new album you have got here. >> what happened is tim-- the rapper, he told me six years ago in his home that they would like to do a tribute to all my songs. >> rose: yeah. >> and that time he was speaking by himself but then he opened it up to the whole hip cop community and we've got everythinging from snoop dog who was i was just with yesterday to amy winehouse. >> rose: snoop dog get the funk out of my face. jennifer hudson you put a move on my heart. john legend, tomorrow. jamey foxx give me the night. it's my party. amy winehouse. >> she's pretty good, isn't she? >> which was very honored and flattered and so grateful because i had-- this is the first time

i have done an album. i had no hands on at all. they did it. i said dow your thing on it and make it better than ours. and a couple of songs there, almost 50 years old like soul-- i wrote in 20 minutes in 1962, became the mike myers theme and lud i chris did it and it just keeps going and that's my party, 1963. it's crazy. art link letter used to live next door to me until he passed. was a great man. right next door. we used to get together all the time. and he always said to me, quincey, you want to make god laugh, tell him your plans. it's true. we had nothing to do with it. we really don't. we just let go and let god, right. >> rose: is that right. you can't plan it. >> with you know. >> rose: and rap today

pervasive, influential, from j-z to eminem to everybody. >> it's been around, ways was there from the beginning. i am on a very passionate campaign now to get to build a definitive curriculum for the schools of america. because i go all over the world. i outtravel obama, i promise you. and have been doing so for 57 years, did a state department tour in 1956. >> rose: i think they ought to just make you the goodwilliam was door and give you your own plane and there you go. >> i like to go through the back window. but i know all the beautiful people from havel, to-- you know, china, brazil.

>> rose: you know lula. you met the president of brazil. >> oh, sure. been going to brazil for 56 years. i go every year. we're shooting a film next year. >> rose: in rio. >> san pawo and it is in imaxxt is for the katrina. we're taking the musicians from mississippi and new orleans down. they are going to be in the carnival and have everything from the carnival to the problems with the fovelos. in '56 there were 3,000 kids with no families. now there is 600,000. and the good news is up in el salvadore my friend has one that does not sell dope. no weapons with and they traded guns for drums and that is what we are trying to do in rio.

because rio is ak-47th with nine-year-old kids with nine millimeters. it's really rough down there. >> rose: but you go every year. >> i come from the ghetto and i know it backwards. my father worked for gangsters as a carpenter, jones boys, toughest gangsters in the history of america. and i wanted to be a gangster until i was 11. >> rose: thank god you became a mussix. >> we had broke in an armory and after we ate all the pie up and everything else, in washington, we broke into a room and i saw a piano. i almost closed the door. went back in there and touched that piano and i knew every cell in my body that that is what i would do the rest of my life. thank god or i would have been dead. >> rose: touched a piano and then you knew. >> yes. and then i stayed after school and learned trombone, everything. i played trombone in the marching band. they walked next to the majorettes. i really wanted to play the

trumpet but you have to be practical. >> rose: are you teaching us how to produce in this book. >> people have been talking to me about this for years. >> rose: you know how to get talent, and produce them. >> and they really talked to the people that work with me. and everything else. the years, for 30 some years. i had a team like a family with bruce and jerry haye. and they are the ones that did all the albums we did together. and it's, a producer is a very unbelievable relationship with an artist because it's all about love first and trust. incredible trust. when you tell an artist like a ray charles or frank sinatra to jump without a net which you might have to do as a producer, you better know what you are talking about. >> rose: yeah. what is it they have? >> that thing. >> rose: that thing. >> that thing it's almost like god left his hand on the shoulder about 15

minutes longer than everybody else. and it's ironic because i met stevie at t 12, aretha at -- michael at 12, it is an interesting thing. >> rose: and you knew at 12. >> they knew. they knew, they really were-- stevie had fingertips-- i met him at the-- he really, had hit records. and aretha came, you can tell her influence from her father, he had two hit records. and in the hoop at the end, you can feel aretha's voice. i can hear it. >> rose: what was it about sinatra's voice? >> he had drama and he had everything. number one he had the best songs ever written. made arrangements, best bands, the best of everything and the best voice. and he also had the drama, the sense of drama. >> rose: that you could hear in his voice. >> yes.

the first time i ever worked with him, i was working in paris as a musical director. i had a 55 piece house band and i came to the studio one day and said quincy, grais kelly's office called mr. sinatra wants you to bring all 55 people down on the train to monday octobero for a fund-raiser. i couldn't wait. we were on that train so fast. and we played with him and he did one thing. we played, and he was hanging with gary grant and knowel coward. i thought the applause was going to run out. i didn't know who which was working with. oh, he was partying. it was an oblong hall and he finally got his on the way, pulled out a cigarette, and lit a cigarette. the applause didn't change at all. when he hit the stage we stopped playing that thanged went in to come fly with me. he said come fly with me, and took a big drag on the

cigarette, went down to a pin spot and i have never seen anything like this in my life. he says when i get up there, no smoke, where with the air is rare. and i pulled the smoke out of his thing and her man leonard fortunately shot that shot. if a very famous shot and you see his hand up in the air with the smoke. he put the smoke up about i don't know how he held it in before that. >> rose: he had great lungs. he would swim underwater in order to train his lungs. >> and he learned how to breathe from tommy dorsey too. then four years later i get a call from him, the first time i was ever called q. he was in hawaii. he goes q, i just heard the arrangement on howard as-- walz. he said did you it for four. that is the way i want to do it would you consider doing an album with basie and i. i said man, is the pope a catholic. i was over there so fast in

hawaii. and i worked with him. >> rose: sinatra, bassie, jones. >> and he left me this, this is a ring, family crest from sicily. >> is that right, is it opinions and i never take it off. because he was the best friend you could ever have. >> rose: tina gave that to you. >> there was no gray in him. he either loved you or would roll over you in a mack truck in reverse. nothinging in between. he was the best friend you could ever ask for. >> rose: and you keep rolling. >> i feel like i'm just flying ringz don't stop. thank you very much. >> thank you. great to see you, charlie. captioning sponsored by rose communications

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