>> that's not what we... in fact we're not willing. but the difference is that countries show up really wanting to work with us, wanting to find common ground. it's not always possible, dollar few outliars, your venezuelas or cubas, your sere yauss that show up at the united nations more interested in combat. but the vast majority really want to partner with this united states of america. >> rose: we continue with jim nantz of cbs sports talking about the n.f.l. this weekend and the beginning of golf with

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captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: susan rice is here. she is the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. she is a member of the president's cabinet. she grew up in washington, she was a rhodes scholar, she worked for president clinton and the national security council. president obama appointed her hisnd ambassador when he took office in 2009. i am pleased to have her here for this first appearance on this program. >> it's great to be with you, charlie, thanks for having me. >> let me talk a little bit

about you. growing up in washington, what did you think you wanted to do? >> well, charlie, i grew up in a family where politics and policies were chewed on every night at the dinner table. my parents both in different ways were involved in public service or public policy and it was a bad evening if we made my parents miss the lead story of the nightly news by coming home from sports late or whatever. so i was very much steeped in an environment where matters on the public agenda were forefront and of interest and i always thought i'm a little ashamed now to admit-- that i might want to get into politics. >> rose: see, that's what i thought you might do. >> and the problem is i was born and raised in washington, d.c. we didn't then and still don't have full voting representation in congress. and so i grew up a very forceful

advocate of d.c. voting rights and when i was a teenager thought a little bit about maybe wanting one day to run for the senate or something like that. and then by the time i was in my early 20s, i realized that that really wasn't what i wanted to do, wasn't really where my passion lay. but it was in policy making. and while i took some tacks and turns along the road to becoming somebody worked on foreign policy. i think i always knew from the time i was a kid that i wanted to make a difference and impact what what goes on in our country and what goes on in the world. >> rose: so you went on to work at the clinton administration, national security council. >> i did. i spent time after graduate school, after getting my doctorate in oxford and the private sector at mckenzie & company, did consulting and was privileged to go under the white house to the national security council and to the state

department under president clinton. >> rose: and then was a principal advisor to the campaign of president obama. >> yes. >> rose: but enough perfect record. >> oh, come on. >> rose: you do! we're not even talking about your athletic skills that are there as well-- tennis and basketball. >> let's not overstate the basketball. >> rose: (laughs) >> that's been hyped way out of proportion as many people can sadly attest. >> rose: but athletic, well read, a rhodes scholar. >> a mom. >> rose: and a mom, too. >> that's the part i'm most proud of. >> rose: and great parents who... >> i've been very blessed. and i love what i do and i can't complain at all, everyday i need knock on wood and hope that my health and good fortune and that of my family holds up. >> rose: sow what do you love about being the ambassador to the united nations and a member of the president's cabinet? >> i love almost everything about it, charlie. but what's tremendous about the job at the united nations is there's never, ever, a dull moment. and fuch a sense of humor--

which you absolutely need to survive in that context-- there's a lot to find both amusing as well as challenging and important. we work on a full range of issues like non-proliferation and terrorism and how to deal with the challenges in north korea or iran or iraq and afghanistan to human development issues, social policy issues, poverty, hunger, disease, climate change. i mean, it's... the whole spectrum. >> rose: let me just take two of those. >> (laughs) >> rose: (laughs) okay. >> rose: let's take non-proliferation. >> okay. >> rose: how are we doing on that? >> well, i think this is an area the president has made a top priority, one that underscores the utility of the united nations. when you're talking about the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction or any number of other transnational security challenges like terrorism, like pandemic disease or climate change these are all inherently challenges that can't be managed by one nation acting on its own.

even one as powerful as our own. because the threats flow from mechanisms that can't be contained simply through the use of force or simply by the actions of economic political or otherwise of any one state. so we use the united nations as one of the critical tools to bring international backing to trying to halt the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. >> rose: as soon as you say that people will say "look at the security council, you haven't been able to get the chinese and russia to do as much as you want..." >> well, charlie, just in the last year... >> rose: i know. >> ...the toughest sanctions ever imposed on iran. >> rose: but is that what you wanted? you're saying the russians and chinese have given you everything you've needed in terms of support for sanctions against iran? >> well, let me say this. we got a lot more than most analysts ever anticipated. they have been more impactful than i think most countries

expected. we didn't get absolutely everything in our wildest dreams. our wildest dreams were pretty ambitious. we ended up with a very strong security council resolution that took the sanctions regime far beyond where it had been before and that's why you're seeing a lot of reports and a lot of analysis indicating just how powerful an impact this is having an iran's ability to use the international banking system to access parts for its air fleet, even to continue to get the investment that it wants and needs in its energy sector. and these things were not even directly in every respect, for example, energy, the target of the u.n. sanctions. but because we built a layer cake, much stronger international regime coupled with very tough measures at the e.u. and japan or south korea and canada these all together had an impact.

>> rose: what do you think had an impact... the stuxnet virus which infiltrated their system. as you know, there's been lots of coverage now about that. >> i can't talk about stuxnet. i can't even talk about the operation of iran's centrifuges which is not something that's entirely transparent. but i will say this. to the extent that they're spinning even single centre fuj they're doing so in violation of international law of the united nations security council resolutions and that has to stop. and that's the whole purpose of the regime we've put in place. it's also the purpose, charlie, of the 5 plus 1 talks that resumed again today in istanbul. >> rose: but the impression of many people is that the iranian lis a yes, we want to have serious conversations and then it becomes a game and it's a delaying game in which they have the advantage because they're continuing to work on developing

the capability. >> well, there's no doubt that the iranians have tried to play for time and have been less than forthright in their dealings both with the 5 plus one and the international community which is why we're so deadly serious about putting sufficient on them to change their calculus. they won't do it if they can avoid it. >> rose: what's your impression of what you think is taking place in washington, in these conversations, these bilateral conversations. >> with china? >> rose: yes. >> it's a fascinating and complex bilateral relationship which is multifaceted and we're talking about critical economic challenges that we face baghdad rally and in the larger global financial architecture we're talking about the most pressing issues of peace and security from... two that we've touched on, north korea and iran to sudan and all kinds of regional

hot spots, climate change. >> rose: and do you think there's a meeting of minds? there's a coming together of an understanding of how two powerful nation cans make a difference if they act in concert and cooperation? >> i do. and i think you heard the both from president obama and president hu yesterday. there is no doubt in which we will do and will continue to cooperate. in areas in which we have friction and differences, including human rights. the fact of the matter is i think the leadership of our country certainly and i believe increasingly the leadership of china recognize that we f we're eel-to-deal with the most important challenges globally, that we're far more able to tackle them effectively if the u.s. and china are working together. now, i'm on the front lines of working together everyday with china in the security council. some days it's easier than others. but they are serious.

they're straightforward. they're very plain about their interests, as we are about ours. and we work in a very mature fashion to try to maximize our concerted effort where we have areas of common interest which actually is more often than not. and where we have shared interests but perhaps different approaches or different tactics to try to push through to find some kind of acceptable middle ground. doesn't always work. there are times... a recent example was last month when we were working on trying to get a response to the shelling by north korea of yeonpyeong island in south korea. we share an interest in the peace and stability on the korean peninsula. we share an interest in ensuring that the peninsula is denuclearized. the united states view is that when south korea faces an unprovoked attack in which civilians die from north korea

that we have to be very plain in condemning that and insisting that such behavior stop. china's... and we want to say that publicly not just privately. china's preference often is to convey those messages privately. and on issues like that we sometimes file to find common ground. >> rose: is that because of their long-standing relationship with north korea or because they fear that if north korea collapses they will look at a level of refugees they've never seen before? >> i think it's both. and i think it's also a calculation about... and where we may have differing calculations about how best to influence north korea's behavior. >> rose: on the behavioral side, do you see in your contact at the united nations on the part of the chinese a new sense of confidence and esteem about the role they can play? a real recognition that we know who we are and what we've become beyond the fact that we've had a civilization that goes back thousands of years?

>> i think that there is a greater degree of confidence in chinese diplomacy. it's usually manifest in quiet confidence. once in a while it gets a little more assertive but that's not that often. not that often. and i find in my dealings everyday with them that they are pragmatic, they're rational, and they're surprisingly transparent and refreshingly transparent in terms of... >> rose: meaning they'll tell you exactly what they think and feel? >> yes. in most instances yes. >> rose: and so why do you think or what do you make and how much emphasis do you give to what president hu jintao said yesterday at the press conference in which he took note of china understands its need for economic growth, social development and progress in human rights. >> i thought it was an interesting statement. if you were in the room you

could tell... well, i his it too do that, charlie, to interpret it for you, because i think you will want to see whether actions reflect those words. but obviously for the chinese president to acknowledge in an open press conference which in itself as you know is not entirely normal... for. >> rose: for them. >> for them, yes. that they there indeed is room for improvement and a need to continue to try to address human rights more productively. that was an unusual statement and a potentially very significant statement. but i would rather... rather than interpret it, i'd rather... >> rose: see the what happens. >> see if in fact the actions reflect the words. and obviously there's reason in the recent historical record for some skepticism. >> rose: but at the same time clearly the... there's some significance in what they're saying now and the fact that

they came here wanting to engage. >> rose: absolutely. i think as you've heard both leaders express yesterday there are areas where we will disagree. there are areas where we will compete. but these two countries recognize that we have a shared interest in to the greatest extent possible being able to cooperate to strengthen and shore up the global economy, to deal with pressing global security issues of all sort, to assist other countries in their economic development. we have more opportunities and interests in common than we have-- albeit significant issues. >> rose: let me touch on two places that are part of, i think your curiosity and your interest one is the sudan. what do you make of the vote and what will it lead to? >> well, it was a very significant thing that happened over the past couple of weeks, charlie. from the ninth to the 15th of january the people of south sudan for the first time in their history had the

opportunity to freely express their view of what their future ought to be. will they stay part of sudan or will they separate? and if you've been to south sudan-- as i have on a few occasions-- it is palpable the sense of underdevelopment, of neglect alienation from the larger sudan. and it's a product of all kinds of long standsing historical factors and how the north and the south are related to each other. in 2005 it was an opportunity toch a government of national unity and make sudan attractive so when the voting came this month that the people of suit e south due dan had a reasonable prospect of choosing unity as opposed to independence.

i think for a variety of reasons the period that ensued of six years was not sufficient in terms of the progress that the two parts of sudan could make together to change the vast majority of sudanese minds. we're still obviously awaiting results. nothing has been formally announced although we're getting preliminary results from various... >> rose: and they indicate what? >> they indicate what appears to be first of all overwhelming turnout. 80%, 90%. and at least the preliminary votes suggest overwhelming results for independence. should that be formalized and certified it's our very strong view that all of the people of sudan, the government of sudan, the government of south sudan, the neighboring countries, the international community have to recognize and respect that result. and then we have enormous range of outstanding very difficult issues that still need to be

negotiated between the north and the south. borders, citizenship, wealth sharing. the oil-reach region, etc. >> rose: but this is also, though, a place where china and the united states can cooperate. are we seeing that kind of cooperation that you hope for on this particular issue? >> yes. and it was a subject that has come up... came up yesterday between president hu and president obama but it's come up repeatedly in the eight meetings that they've had over the last two years. and i think it is, in fact, an area where our interests converge. china has much more direct economic interests in sudan than we do. we have sanctions. >> rose: they have contracts for their oil. >> and chinese oil workers in the field... >> rose: are building the... >> and what they recognize is that in terms of the reference dumb that it needs to be... promote peace and stability and not a resumption.

but we actually have been able to work well together on the north/south conflict. the issue of darfur is more complicated and that remains a very top priority for the united states. >> rose: more complicated in terms of the cooperation? >> more complicated in terms of chinese interest and cooperation. because on darfur, china has put into view our concern about halting crimes and atrocities and genocide, ending the conflict, protecting civilians as at least bordering on their allergy to interference in the internal affairs of other countries. and so there is a bit more friction on occasion, less of late than, say, two or three years ago, with china on how to approach the issue in darfur. we all agree that the killing has to stop. we all agree that the u.n.-- which has a large peacekeeping force in darfur-- needs to have freedom of access. and we agree on the needs for

peace talks. but there's some issue like enforcement of the arms embargo where differences lay. >> rose: it has said the chinese that they're agnostic about the nature of government that they're dealing with. >> we certainly think it's very important that to the greatest extent possible we're dealing with democratic governments that respect human rights, uphold the human law, treat their people with respect and certainly aren't committing atrocities against their people. i don't want to characterize for them the chinese view of other countries. but let us say that where we do find our interests merge is over issues of how to approach violations of human rights that are arguably matters that are predominantly a domestic concern. >> rose: characterize the

differences. >> let me give you a couple examples. in the past we've differed on how to deal with burma, for example. or zimbabwe or perhaps sri lanka where the united states is typically taking a strong line in defense of democracy and support of the protection of human rights, even when it means criticizing or seeking to engage the international community to resolve a problem in a place like burma or zimbabwe where we feel that the leadership has taken the country way off the rails. china and to some extent russia are much more reluctant than we might be to become involved in something like that. >> rose: they seems sometimes to argue... having to do with their own human rights issues saying "we have to make progress but it's our business not your business and you have no right to tell us what to do." that's an argument about sovereignty. they seem to say it's the

government's responsibility and not our responsibility to try to institute... to do anything about how they conduct their affairs. >> that's essentially the argument. and our argument is more along the lines of yes, it is the sovereign government's responsibility to protect its people and uphold their rights and ensure that they're not attacked, but when the government fails, is unwilling or unable to do so, then we believe and, in fact, the entire international community has signed up to something called the responsibility to protect. that was enshrined both in u.n. general assembly resolutions and u.n. security council resolutions. the responsibility to protect... it's a complicated concept with many different aspects to it. but what it essentially says, charlie, is first and foremost it's the sovereign government's responsibility to protect its people. secondly, when the government fails to do so, the international community ought to employ all means available short of the use of force. >> rose: short of the use of

force? >> that's step two. short of the use of force to try to ensure the protection of civilians, things like sanctions or political pressure. >> rose: but if that fails... >> in extrepl mis, if that fails, the international community has a responsibility to protect which can ultimately include intervention for humanitarian purposes. it's a very controversial concept as you might imagine. but the united states, the obama administration and many others in the international community feel very strongly that norm needs to be respected. >> rose: tell me where we are in tunisia where you had a popular uprising. >> oh, it's fragile as you well know. and there's still a great deal of poplar discontent, of simmering unrest. the people of tunisia have been very plain that they... they want to express their rights and freedoms peacefully, not be the subject of attack by security forces and that they want the opportunity to select their government democratically.

we support that and we think it's vitally important that this interim government work urgently to facilitate as soon as feasible an electoral process in which various parties can compete, the opposition is able to participate, and that the people of tunisia finally have the opportunity to choose their government. >> rose: give me the sense of how you weigh on the one hand supporting a government that's not democratic but acts in the interest of the united states and that has good relationship and values of democracy. not just western values but the rights of... >> universal rights. >> rose: yeah. what's the philosophy at heart? >> the philosophy is that first of all, as you've heard president obama and secretary clinton say on numerous occasions, it is in america's interests to maximize the number of countries and partners that are democratic, that respect human rights who share those fundamental universal values

because the fact is that democracies are less likely to go to war with one another, they're more likely to serve and reflect the interests of their people. and so we think it's very important. we also think economic opportunity and social and economic progress are vitale important, too. and that was one of the critical factors that play in tunisia. high youth unemployment, college graduates unable to find work worthy of their... the skills and experience. this is a problem that is serious around the world. it's particularly serious in the developing world and the arab and muslim world and it's something we take very, very seriously. so there are multiple challenges. there's job creation, economic growth, building countries that are able to provide for their people but do so equitably and democratically. but, charlie, we also live in a very complicated world in which

we have very pressing interests as well in terms of combating extremism, cooperating with partners against terrorists and that's not a problem that's any easier than it used to be. but... >> rose: there's something like this... >> let me say one thing. is the approach different from the bush administration and the answer is yes in that it is not president obama's view or the view of this administration that democracy can ever be exported through the barrel of a gun. >> rose: well, some people make the argument that history says don't think you can do anything, history is working against you. >> well, there's a tough history and we can ask the russians about that. but, charlie, the fact is there's no real... there's no short cut here. there's no easy out. for those who say, you know, well, al qaeda is in yemen and

they're perhaps in somalia so why are we in afghanistan? after afghanistan, pakistan are the epicenter and the home base of al qaeda, the core al qaeda and its most dangerous affiliates. and for the united states to wish it away or pretend that we don't a stake in dealing with it is folly. >> rose: some say that we're in afghanistan because we... if we're not there, there will be a risk to the destabilization of pakistan and that's reason enough. >> well, we have a... we have a very interlinked set of interests in afghanistan and pakistan. we have some separate and very important interests in partnerships that we're building with pakistan. it's among the most complex set of foreign policy and national security challenges we have anywhere. but the message that i think people cannot forget is we walk away at our peril. and we leave this to fester at enormous risk to the american people and we're not going to do that.

>> rose: and if they think you're going to walk away that makes it even more dangerous. >> exactly. but what we are going to do is to begin to transition, to begin to hand over responsibility where conditions permit with the very clear aim of accomplishing that complete transition by 2014. that's what the afghans say they want and that's what all the nato allies signed up to in lisbon last fall. >> rose: turn principal foreign policy advisor to senator obama during the campaign. >> one of them. >> rose: one of them. then became the u.n. annals dorr. and if you had to today say this is what... how we have changed foreign policy, this is what i'm most proud that we did, how would you define it? >> the fundamental difference and that is that we are looking to strengthen and build partnerships not only with our traditional allies-- as important as they are-- but with some of our more complicated

partners and countries that we have not always worked with well and even some in parts of the world that we have not given sufficient attention to in the past. why? because we fundamentally understand that our security, our well-being, our pros parity, are linked to the security and well-being of people elsewhere. and the threats we face in the 21st century-- as we discussed in the beginning-- proliferation terrorism, pandemic disease, all of these are precisely the kinds of things that can only be dealt with in partnership with others if we're to deal with them effectively. so president obama has fundamentally changed the nature of our approach to the rest of the world. it is pragmatic. it is open. it aims to be as cooperative as possible. and everyday when i walk into the united nations, even two years after getting there, it is

palpable the difference. countries understand that this is a very different president, a very different country, and america is leading in a very different way. one of my... one of my colleagues joked the other night that now america is bullying us in a way that we can appreciate. >> rose: (laughs) >> that's not what we, in fact, are doing. we're not bullying. but the difference is that countries show up really wanting to work with us, wanting to find common ground. it's not always possible. there are a few outliars, your venezuelas or cubas or syrias that are more interested in combat. but the vast majority really want to partner with this united states of america and this is serving our interests, our national security interests, our economic interests, our political interests, our interests in human rights and democracy very well. >> rose: and they believe the united states is listening to them. >> listening to them and prefers

to work with them rather than work against them or the institution of the united nations. >> rose: i know i've kept you a little bit long but it's a great pleasure to have you on this broadcast and i do hope you'll come back. >> thank you so much for having me. i look forward to coming back. >> rose: the road to super bowl 45 concludes on sunday with two conference championship games, green bay packers led by star quarter back aaron rogers traveled to soldiers field to take on the chicago bears. the new york jets will be at heinz field for a showdown with the pittsburgh steelers. here to break it all down is jim nantz of cbs sports. he'll be announcing the steelers/jets game from heinz field on sunday. i am very pleased to have my friend back here at this table to talk about sports and other things that are of great interest to you and to him. welcome. >> thank you, charlie, great to be back at the table with you. >> rose: you were in foxborough. you saw the jets literally come back from having been demolished by the patriots.

they were playing on the patriots home turf. they were playing against the most valuable player in the annals of quarter backs this year. and yet the jets defense bottled him up. >> they did. >> what happened? >> i think they got to him early in terms of pressure and i think if there's anything any quarter back, no matter who you are and no matter what your hall of fame credentials are, you never want to hit. just go back two years ago when tom got hit in the first game of the season, had his knee blown out. if the quarter back starts to feel like his pocket is collapsing and there's pressure around your feet, you're never fully planted or set to make great throws-- and i'm not saying they lost the game because of poor throws-- i'm just saying he didn't have the time to be the brady we've watched and admired and put together one of the greatest seasons in the history of n.f.l. quarter backing this year. i'm... i've got to say, it was 41 days after the shellacking of december 6. six touchdowns better the

patriots were the first time and six weeks later somehow the jets turned it around. in 26 years covering football, i have to say it was maybe the biggest surprise i ever had walking away from a booth. >> rose: can they do it against the steelers? >> no question. when you're at this point in the season you can kind of shake up the bag, pull out names and come up with any combination you want of these last four. don't forget they played december 19 at heinz field, same teams, same names. i saw it with my own eyes. jets won the game. it came down to the last play of the game. pittsburgh had two throw into the end zone to win it. both were incompletions and the jets won for the first time in franchise history they won in pittsburgh. they had never won in pittsburgh and now they need to win twice in a span of about a month. >> rose: is ryan a better coach than we imagined? >> i think he gets underappreciated because he's so quotable, he's outrageous in many ways and there's a presence

about him that's, like, hey, everything he says, you know, we could either like have some fun with it, make a mockery of it, but he's one of those characters you meet sometimes in sport who does not have a little editor hanging out on his brain. before the woord or the thought comes out... there's no governor right there as the word leaves the mouth. so i admire the fact that... i admire him as a coach. two years, two conference championship games and maybe a super bowl is going to be the result here. that's pretty hard to do. and i also... i like people who are... in their job who they are away from their job. that's who he is. he's not phony. that's who he is. >> rose: but it's the pittsburgh steelers and all that history. >> and all that history. >> rose: and pittsburgh. and ben playing well. >> well, it's... it's tough to win in pittsburgh, everybody knows that. i don't think, though, that the jets have any concern about that.

their record under ryan is better away from home than it is on the road... i mean the record on the road is better than it is at home. that's... you never hear of that. so... >> rose: so what would be the deciding factor in the game? >> you know, a game like this comes down to the one play, you never know what's going to happen. is it going to be some crazy mistake and the ball bounces a funny way and a turnover changes the whole thing? i have great regard for the pittsburgh steelers organization the rooney family. you know, they have... they've been such important pillars in professional football and their team, i think, is a great reflection of their ownership through the years. it's a very solid, rounded blue-collar kind of approach, physical, tough. they have an incredible fan base that travels better than any team in football. when you go on the road with the steelers, every stadium looks like it's a pittsburgh home game >> rose: now, you have a kind

rid experience but each game is going to be different and you want to have your edge. how do you make sure you have it? >> read everything. i'm just a compulsive reader and i enjoy the process of during the week setting up a board, a shot board that has all the players on a... like diagramed where they're going to be on the field. i have the pittsburgh offense against the jet defense so it's right in front of me. and i have an editorial consultant at my side-- tommy spencer-- who has a fast brain and he can also help not only with story content but point out players that are impact ago play. and even though i just did this matchup a month ago, start all over again and we friday will meet all day with the pittsburgh steelers and all day saturday with the jets and as part of our n.f.l. network contract... >> rose: that you have access to the players. >> and they have to talk. they have a room and they come

in and out and shut until and out all day. we can attend practices. it's interesting in this regard, charlie. we know the game plan. they trust us. they... you can never, ever let somebody down on this. you would never even think about compromising the information because your career is over. >> rose: so you knew what the jets were going to try to do to brady. you knew their game plan? >> i knew their game plan. >> rose: so therefore you can broadcast it better. >> it really helps the analyst, in this case the great phil similars next to me because i'm not going to get into the xs and os. i want to respect that it's his turf and i'm going to engage in conversation and debate with him but i think the xs and os helps him more but that it's interesting you hear from the steelers what they think they need to do and we have to go into a meeting, sit around a table like this, all right, what's the game plan? and all the while you have to have the poker face because you know what the other side has already told you. >> rose: is it something really

carefully hidden what they intend to do or is it pretty obvious? >> think think things up pretty well. >> rose: that's my impression, too. the question is doing it, you know what they have to do. >> they have this coach who could be the first coach to ever take two teams to a super bowl before turning 40. he's 38 years old. already won. the youngest ever winning. brilliant mind. you can see what the analysts are on him when they have him take over after bill stepped down, retired. he has tremendous command of the language and everything he says sounds fresh. it's a quote that you've never heard anybody phrase it that way before. you can see how he reaches players. this team they won games down at miami, they had some fortunate break there is. they find a way to win these games and they're playing better than i thought they were. i really thought the patriots-- like everybody else did-- winning their last eight games, going over 30 points, blowing out almost every... looked

like... >> rose: march to the super bowl. >> but he finds a way to get it done. just a remarkable, remarkable coach. >> rose: so when you sit in front of the box, your responsibility is to do what? >> there are some essentials there that i have to be true to. down in distance. >> rose: down in distance. third down... >> even though it's on the screen graphically. you've got to set up the play. >> rose: so if they had said to you "we're going to take away..." you just said final four n.f.l. masterpiece, we're going to take two of them away, which one would you hang on to? (laughs) >> charlie! that's not fair. >> rose: which one means to most to you. >> if you cut know the core, you know, i've had a great opportunity to call these super bowls, been a part of four super bowl broadcasts, 25 masters. >> rose: you're a legend already. >> in, no. >> rose: you are! >> no, i've got a long way to go

to prove that. but i think that the one that really strikes home the most for me is the masters. it's just... it's the one that hooked me. >> rose: that's what i thought you'd say. >> it hooked me on the broadcasting business when i was an 11-year-old boy sitting next to my father and i'd hear these gifted storytellers and i was mesmerized more by what they were telling me, their stories and theirer you diggs about everything that was going on, not just in golf but about the people, the places they were visiting and, you know, the old story... classical storytellers of my youth. they're still to this day playing in my head all the time and i'm hearing their voices and the way that i found them to be riveting in their delivery. i went to houston, got the chance to play on the golf course, which is something else i wanted to do. i wanted to work for cbs. >> rose: is that right? always cbs sports?

>> cbs sports because they had the masters tournament. and that's what i told my dad. that was my goal since i was 11 years old. "dad, someday i want to work for cbs." so they were dreaming of one day winning the green jacket. i was dreaming of one day presenting the green jacket down in butler cabin. we used to actually... the story's been told. we used to play act the scene. they would treat me like it was a foregone conclusion that one day i was going to get hired by cbs. so, you know, they would introduce me as "jim nantz from cbs" when i was in college. but i would sit in our dorm room with a little tape recorder and we would play act the scene, fred's just come in and won the masters tournament, now we conduct the interview and then fast forward 15 years later, april 12, 1992, he won the masters. i was in butler cabin to host the ceremony and be there for the presentation. >> rose: have you ever done baseball? >> did one game. way out of my league. you know, you have to know in this business to have credibility. i think you need to be involved

in sports that you really feel like you can talk the language. each sport has its own unique lexicon and i did a baseball game in 1988, one of the cracker jack old timers games that we used to bring together the willie mays and hank aarons and cbs did this game down in washington and i did it with mel allen and bill white and i got into the booth and i was quivering. i was so... i was not even... i was 29 years old and i knew that i had just... i'm getting nervous. my voice, i'm losing it hear talking about it. >> rose: i know, i can feel fear! >> it was a disaster and i said never again: i can't... the easiest way to lose credibility is to fake it on the air like you know what you're talking about. and i like baseball but i couldn't talk it. i didn't have enough of a background in it. >> rose: all right, let know go to the bears playing >> i think everybody now is like... they're an underdog

playing at home with the packers. green bay's been such a role. >> rose: rogers is the real deal. >> looks like a supper bowl winning quarterback to me. we'll see. all that history. >> rose: subpoena that the oldest rivalry in... >> it is. i know packers are favored, i don't know what their numbers are. which is surprising because they're the sixth seed, the last team. >> rose: as the jets are on the other side. >> but they're favored playing down there at chicago. they split in the regular season chicago's an interesting story because before the season began everybody was so convinced their season would be so poor that lovey smith's job would be in jeopardy. talk about a nice guy. he took the team to a super bowl four years back. lovey smith quieted the critics pretty quickly and so did his quarter back jay cutler and they put together a great season. >> rose: so what will this game hang on? >> can they slow down green bay. can brianer lacquer and that

chicago defense, the personality of erlacquer, can it find a way to somehow fly it down, slow it down aaron rogers in green bay which is operating, of course, with a back field. running backs have been so banked up at that position they've had to bring in guys as the season's gone on and rogers keeps moving them down the field. now they played in the last week of the regular season. chicago needed to win the game... green bay needed to win the game to get in and it was surprisingly like... it was a 10-3 score. you think this is probably going to be like a game in the 30s but the defense prevailed on that occasion and i don't know we'll see. these two franchises no each other so well. they've... i hate to say it, but i'm sure they've never met with more at stake with this one on sunday. >> rose: golf. tiger woods. back next week. >> you know, it's been announced like it's some big piece of news.

everybody knew he was going to play at tory pines and make his 2007 debut. phil mickelson will be there. >> rose: what's your sense on his game and what impact sean has had on the swing and where it's headed. >> he gave us a little insight into that earlier in the week. he's now into tweeting. >> rose: i heard that. >> and he said he's been working really hard on his game, he's ready to go. we all know what a disaster 2010 was. it was not going to be in the cards for him to win even as the season was winding down and people were saying "it's his last chance to win." it wasn't going to happen. all the things that were surrounding his life. but now he stepped away from the game for almost two months, you come back to tory pines where you've won seven times in your career, including like the last handful of times you competed there. last time he played there he won the u.s. open on one leg. it's going to be an interesting way to start the season. >> rose: but do people that know

golf think he's coming back? >> i think a lot of people think that he... first of all, people that know golf know that you don't say "he's done." i mean, that's ridiculous: i've had people say "he's never going to break the nicklaus record now." >> rose: he only has four to go, right? >> four to tie. he's 14 and nicklaus is 18. tiger just had a birthday on december 30. so he's 35 years old. here's the way i look it. i got asked this question by a prominent golf writer recently. if he doesn't win a major in 2011... >> rose: is it over? >> can we write him off? he's never going to break jack's record? here's the answer. look, other than his knee-- and that's a big if-- and some back flairups, but he's always worked out rigorously, i give him to 45. ten years. give him ten years. tom watson almost won the british open at 60. two months shy of 60. so give him to 45. that's ten years. that's 40 majors.

that's a lot. that's a lot of shots at winning. 40 majors. >> rose: and he only has to win... >> he has to win four to tie, five to break the record. now you put in the that context, i think he'll do it. and i think this year what people really want to know, how's he going to be? what he's going to be like? >> rose: what has sean foley done to tiger's swing? >> it's always hard to get the exact science out of the tiger camp, exactly what they're working on. but i know that there's some issues with his transition at the top of his swing. i'm going to get probably technical here. >> rose: that's all right. >> tiger's going to be watching this, i'll see him next week and he'll say "what are you doing trying to talk about my golf swing?" which i'm not concerned about. his swing's going to look just to simplify it more under control. here's the concern for tiger, okay? here is... if you're a tiger fan out there and you want to see if he's going to be the tiger of old, it's all going to be

exposed in his putting, the greatest clutch putter... maybe jack nicklaus. >> rose: so if putting is back, he wins? >> if his putting is back, if it could get back to where it was he'll win and he'll win a lot. now 2010, again, with all that was floating around in his mind, circling around his life he couldn't make a crucial putt. and you get to a certain point in your life whether if you can't make the five footer over it, know you're going to make it... tiger always knew he was going to make it. everyone watching him knew he was going to make it. and that's the thing that eventually gets all the great ones. i mean, you go back to hogan, watson. i mean, not to single guys out, but the putting, once it starts to go, you know, it sounds like such an obvious but you're talking about a dominating player, and that's the one part of the game it's hard to get back. you can work with a swing coach for your full swing but if you

lose the faith and the confidence and the feel in your hands that somehow it goes right up the arms into the brain and it just "i know i'm going to hole it." if that's waivering, you're not going to be the same player. >> rose: it's great to have you here. i want to talk about one last thing because i saw an item today. you came to this program having written a book "always by my side." it was the story of your father called "the healing gift of a father's love." he died of alzheimer's in 2008. and you're... your story of his impact on your life was incredible and it was reflected in the story you told and the story you told me. since then you have found a dedication to alzheimer's and you've created in your foundation an alzheimer's center the nantz alzheimer's center in houston, i assume? >> the nantz national... >> rose: national. >> because we want this to be the centerpiece of all the national research, as best we can.

bring it down to methodist hospital in houston under the direction of the man who's been such a huge part of my life since my father was first diagnosed, dr. stan apell, and bring the research there not only what's the cause of it but how to prevent it hopefully how to cure it. it's an ambitious plan but i've been sitting on the sidelines, i've been raising eye bird flus... i don't want to sound like i've been doing anything, i've been raising millions of dollars. i'm... i wanted the focus on one thing and i wanted it to be named... that's named after my father and in honor of my father... my father and sister represent all the millions of caregivers out there. because when you have a loved one who has alzheimer's we all know there's not one victim here. it's... it widens out do the caregivers. and i watched the first game for 13 years of how it impacted our family. >> rose: you described it as torture. >> it was torture. and that's why i wrote the book but what i didn't know when i was sitting here talking about it that two and a half years

later it would still follow me. i'd walk ud out of the booth on gillette stadium and people would bring the book to the game. it happens every week. i sign the book then they want to tell me their story. a similar story. and there's always a very common thread there about a loved one and how they can relate to the book. i've been inspired by the people that i've seen and who've told me their story and i can also think back to when my dad was fighting it and i held on to any little thread of hope i could. i'd google search everyday, is there new research somewhere in the world that could reverse the course ff my dad? somebody needs to stand up and do something, charlie. and i've always admired and my heart goes out to maria shriver and their family. >> rose: sargent shriver died at 95. >> yes. and she's spoken out about it and i thought she needs some reinforcement. and i have a platform here. i'm on national television every week and, you know, my opening line, always a tribute line to my dad "hello friends."

so i'm... as a result of that, nantzfriends.org. anybody out there's got a love one who's looking for some hope, go read our mission statement. find out about what we're trying to do down in houston and what we might be able to do for you wherever you are in the united states or around the world. i'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to try to make a difference. my father gave me his voice people would call the house and know it was big jim or jimmy on the phone. i thought if i ever get sick i could send my dad out there and he'd call the game and it would sound exactly alike. but i really came to the realization that i've been living a dream. i mean, i've been so lucky to do all these events, i can only sit there and tell my dad "i'm going to do that one day" and it happened. but there's got to be more than just calling the masters, the final four, and the n.f.l. it's special and it's never going to be anything but special to me but can i do something more?

i'm hearing these people and about a year worked on a way to create the nantz national alzheimer's center in houston and it's an ambitious plan and i want that to be a beacon of hope for people out there who know exactly what i'm talking about because i'm where they are right now. >> rose: it reminds me as i close with this. someone said "to those who much has been given much is expected." >> i totally feel that way and, you know, i've been thinking about quotes like that and the famous churchill quote and, of course, my great friend president bush 41 who always believed in the points of light and how a life is not a full life unless it's one that includes service to others. so this is... this is the very prideful week for the nantz family, for my mother and sister and i'm just really anxious

to... for people to when they see me on television calling a game i want them to know i would rather be known as the guy that's trying to positively affect millions of people in years to come, something more to than just calling a game. and it's been a blessing. i've been the luckiest guy in the world to have the chances to fill out a childhood dream. and i take my father's voice, that voice that he gave me when people hear me talk now, this time my father's voice should be heard for change. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thanks, charlie. >> rose: pleasure to have you. >> rose: jim nantz of cbs sports he will be there in the booth on sunday as the jets take on the steelers. i'll be there. thanks for joining us. see you next time.

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