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>> welcome in the into "bbc world news. i am lyse doucet in the egyptian capital. today they called it the day of departure. crowds urging president mubarak to go. >> leave now, not tomorrow. each you really want this country -- please leave this country. >> president mubarak is still in power. how long will the protests golan? >> in light of what has happened over the last two weeks, going back to the old ways is not going to work. >> in london, i am mike embley welcome to the program, broadcast or viewers on pbs in america and also around the globe. coming up -- we look at an
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egyptian expatriate in divide. what does it tell us about the uprising in egypt itself? >> welcome. the anti-government protesters promised a departure, but hundreds of thousands are on the streets, urging the president to go and go now. lyse doucet is there now. >> the 11-day rate is drawing to a close. thousands of protesters started early in the day, streaming in still -- streaming into the square in central cairo. many stayed overnight. they have met in the square because of the pro-mubarak
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protesters who gathered on the perimeter. as today was peaceful, under tight security. more security barriers thrown up by the army, more troops, more tanks, and coils of razor wire at the main entrances. inside, the main refrain has not changed. president mubarak must go. but he is not going anywhere, not now. but where is the protests going? we have this report. >> beaten, bloody, and bruised. casualties' and a battle for the future of egypt. >> we have had to fight hard to hold onto liberation square. look at the aftermath. the ground tells a story of how fears it has been. -- fierce it has been.
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and they have molotov cocktails ready. but today has been peaceful. early on in the morning, the army came in force, well-trained and well-armed and finally in control. elsewhere in cairo, another rally. this month for the president. the man they support now says he wants to be power, but cannot because it would lead to chaos. -- he wants to leave power, but cannot because it would lead to chaos. for now, the army seems serious about bringing order. which has made this a pretty peaceful day for once. even a famous love song has been turned into a protest and a bum. among the crowd, a young woman with scars on her hands. at she was here when the protest began, and she is back today. she is recording the songs and
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chants of the opposition. >> we do not trust the government. we do not trust the new government. we do not trust mubarak now. he will destroy the country as much as he can before he leaves. i am going to get arrested. >> midday prayers and liberation square. -- on your liberation square. a moment for worship and reflection. it is the end of a difficult and painful week that has seen many killed and wounded. what is going on now is they have done traditional friday prayers and are now saying a prayer for the dead, essentially for the protesters who died trying to hold on, trying to bring change to the country. there are people in the crowd in
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cheers. it is an unbelievably emotional time. -- there are people in the crowd in tears. after prayers, tens of thousands descended on the square. they call it a day of departure for president mubarak. >> how does it make you feel as an egyptian? >> very, very, very proud. >> really? for the first time? >> no, but i have never been more proud to be an egyptian in my life. >> so, this revolution goes on. the president's never faced such outright opposition, but he has yet to be convinced he should go. until he does, the protesters are going nowhere. bbc news, cairo. >> and so tonight in cairo, and that's where enthrall denied there are intense discussions about what the protesters do
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next. meetings are taking place outside the square. we are speaking to a democracy advocate, geroge itzak. will they stay in the square every day? >> of course. we will continue. every day outside in liberation square. we will not leave liberation square before mubarak leaves. >> so you are saying he will have daily protests, but the big ones will be friday and tuesday? and you have urged people to return to work. >> anyone who wants to go to his work, that is his right. but the people, if they want to stay here in the square, it will
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go on. but the people, if they would like to go to work, we do not mind. we want the people to live their life. >> do you think that will be a kind of pressure that will force mubarak to change his mind? people say this is becoming part of normal life? >> the pressure and this way, it will make it definite in his mind. every month, every tuesday, every friday. we continue to protest. he insists on being stubborn like that. >> how you actually get agreement? >> right here. this is a revolution. they accept and we agree. if they do not accept, we agreed on others. >> there will be a march on the presidential palace that >> i think we will stay in our
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square, and we do not need -- because if we go out -- >> george, thank you for joining us. i know you want to get back to the square. the heat spoke of decisions by the protest leaders. the protests will be on tuesday and friday. that seems to be emerging from the protest movement come, -- a protest movement, but the opposition leaders are wondering whether they should respond to the call for dialogue from the vice-president. and also calls for an orderly transition of power. president obama has just been speaking. in all of this, the military will play a key role. >> there is no doubt at all
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what people want. >> everyone has one demand. mubarak must go and he must go now. but who or what will replace him? for nearly 60 years, this country has been run by the military. hosni mubarak, like his predecessor, was a military general. in 1981, and more sadat was assassinated. mubarak was bundled to safety and the presidency. egypt has the eighth largest army in world. if mubarak those, his replacement will almost certainly come from the military. -- if mubarak goes. the most likely candidate is the vice president's. last night, he made this promise. >> in this time, we can do what president mubarak has said. and we can do more.
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when a new president will come, you will have more time to make any changes you want. >> but egypt's most important ally now says that is not enough. >> need a broad and credible representation of egypt's civil society and political factions, to begin immediately, during negotiations for an orderly transition. >> but mubarak supporters warn if the west pushes too far, the results will be a disaster. >> egypt is lost. if this is your name -- this is a real person's life. >> what he means is egypt will be lost to the islamists. at the largest and oldest opposition party here is the muslim brotherhood. on the streets of cairo today, it was suddenly become much more
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islamic crowd. the muslim brotherhood appears to be mobilizing. president mubarak and his supporters say if you get rid of him, the alternative will be the muslim brotherhood. but the violence done to supporters has driven the middle class protestors to the streets. what is left is much more hardline and much more islamic. this did not start as an islamic uprising, but the actions of the mubarak regime could still make it into one. bbc news. >> the muslim brotherhood is a key player in all of this. one of the opposition movements here. we're joined by one of its chief spokesman, issam al-aryan. the vice -- the vice-president said that he made an offer for dialogue. you have been hesitating. what have you decided? >> as for dialogue, we are ready.
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but the climate, the atmosphere when me start dialogue must be clear. under pressure, under threatening -- it is not a dialogue. we are promoting ideas promoted by the vice-president. we cannot change that. the people are asking for a change in regime. they have ruled the country for 60 years. the loss of hope was done and the stagnation of the country is now in did by such an evolution, -- by such a revolution. so, we need to start dialogue that respects the will of the people. the people decide to ask mr. mubarak to step out of office.
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and also to change the whole regime, the way the country is world. >> do you, would you agree to start the dialogue now, while mr. mubarak is in power so there can be elections in time in september? >> all timetables can be modified or changed because we will have high stability in the constitution. it cannot be pressure on the people. we are not going to have some revolution and some gunmen midst there. -- and some amendments there. it can be done for the election only. but the people now and -- >> would you agree to talk while
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mr. mubarak is still in office, although he said he will be leaving by september. >> no. he must leave now. leave the office, not the country. if you want to stay in the country, yes. we are not going to have revenge. but the people are asking him. not in egypt only, but also the world over. egypt is not a small country. egypt is a big and important country. he cannot fail to follow the will of 6 million egyptians. >> issam al-aryan, spokesman for the muslim brotherhood, thank you for joining us and making it absolutely clear there will be dialogue and mr. mubarak must get. let's listen to mr. obama from a
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short time ago. >> we continue to be crystal clear that we oppose violence as a response to this crisis. and in recent days, missing violence erupt on the streets of egypt that violates human rights, universal values, and international norms. so, we are sending a strong and unequivocal message. attacks on a reporter is unacceptable. attacks on a human rights activist is unacceptable. attacks on peaceful protesters is unacceptable. the egyptian government has a responsibility to protect the rights of its people. those demonstrating also have a responsibility to do so peacefully. but everybody should recognize the simple truth. the issues at stake in egypt will not be resolved through violence or suppression. and we are encouraged by the restraint that was shown today. we hope that it continues. 2nd common the future --
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second, the future of egypt will be determined by its people. it is clear there needs to be a transition process that begins now. that transition must initiate a process that respects the rights of the egyptian people and lead to free and fair elections. what's -- >> barack obama. let's go to our correspondent andrew north in washington. is that code when he says the transition must begin now? is he calling for president mubarak to stand down? >> i think what we have heard from president obama is a calculated ratcheting top of the pressure. americans going as far as they can to call on president mubarak. -- going as far as it can to call on president mubarak to step down without categorically saying so.
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the president said that it was up to the egyptian people, but the language was tougher. he also said president mubarak should be listening to the protesters, their calls for him to go. he said that president mubarak should be thinking of his legacy. he hoped he would make the right decision. we can be pretty sure what decision the americans want mubarak to take. >> it looks as though the pressure is still on egypt. from the very start, egyptians and not been listening, have they? >> that is right. and the other side, we continue to see defiance from president mubarak. no sign he is telling. at the most, he is sticking to what he said the other day, that he intends to stay on until the elections in september. ed at the moment the only challenge has been through the interview that he gave to cnn.
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critics say that serves his interests as long as he stays -- the chaos will continue. and of course, the muslim brotherhood are saying it will not going to dialogue with the government as long as mr. mubarak stays in power. one other thing i should briefly mentioned to you -- the was a white house briefing earlier and much the white house press secretary robert gibbs spoke of an assassination attempt on the newly appointed vice president. he looked visibly uncomfortable, but he did not deny the report. he said "in not going to deny that question." >> interesting. it was a strong message from barack obama. a stronger message from the streets. we will continue to watch developments. back to you in london. >> lyse doucet in cairo there.
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mike embley year in london. very good to have you with us. we have a special report from dubai on the life of an egyptian? that trip, asking what this says about the roots of keeping the in uprising in egypt. first though, burma's parliament has named the outgoing prime minister tim finn the first civilian leader of the government. rachel harvey reports from bangkok. >> burma's first civilian president for half a century. but the new man is hardly a radical break with the past. he had a career in the military and only gave up his general's rank in uniform last year so he could leave and military-backed political party to victory.
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that party enjoys a big majority in burma's grandiose new parliament, and it was parliament that nominated candidates for president and vice-president. his rise to the top was a short, although some say he is a reluctant president, persuaded to take the job by the senior -- senior general, the most powerful figure in burma. the key question, what role does he see for himself now? most believe he will influence things behind-the-scenes. his appointment reveals the true extent of political change in burma. rachel harvey, bbc news, bangkok. >> just to remind you, you can get much more the international news anytime you want it on
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bbc.com. let's update you on the latest headlines on "bbc world news." protestors in the egyptian capital are defining and night curfew, calling for the president to resign immediately. speaking in washington, president obama has reiterated the orderly transfer of power and egypt should start immediately. the speed and the force of protest and in egypt surprised many. the underlying causes did not. the underlying problems mirror those of many other countries in this region. it is the lack of opportunity and prospect that leads many to seek work in more affluent places such as the gulf. >> the protests are being seen
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here on in egypt, bringing in sharp focus the problems of the region. the region's leaders gathered a few months ago, and the head of the arab league had a blunt message. >> the arabs sold is broken by poverty, unemployment, -- the arab soul is broken by poverty, unemployment. it has driven the arab citizens to desperation. >> one in 10 people and in the middle east and africa were unemployed last year, but for those under 25, the figures are much starker. in north africa, the unemployment rate rises to 24%, and in the middle east, it is 25%. it is the lack of job prospects that has pushed many egyptians to leave their country in search for work many egyptians live here in the gulf and have been
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watching the protests from afar. for them, it has been a difficult few weeks. they want to go back to their country and help, but they need to stay here and carry on working. he came to do but five years ago, but shortly after graduation with a job offer he could not refuse. >> this has to be balanced. we are asking for equality social unity. >> for all the benefits you get from working abroad, it is not good news for egypt's economy. and egypt is not alone. >> the arabs working in the gulf region tend to be skilled, teachers, doctors, lawyers, and the like. and they are coming to these countries, adding to the skill shortage in their home countries.
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so you see a skill shortage and egypt because of the d. asper of that has occurred. -- diaspora that has occurred. >> many of the egyptian middle class will continue to make decisions here, offering -- making money abroad, while supporting those less fortunate. but just running up the other main news for you. -- just rounding up steam other main news for you. yet the in last week, germany, the third largest contributor said it was suspending financial report. internal reports revealed millions of dollars destined for african countries had disappeared a somali man has been sentenced in nine years in jail and denmark for trying to kill the cartoonist to caricatured the prophet mohammad. he is senior being driven to court. he was convicted of attempted
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murder and terrorism. the drawings were published in 2005 to start protests across the muslim world. the husband of the wounded arizona congressperson get real difference will resume training to go into space. he has been on leave since his wife was injured. six other people were injured in that incident. let's take you back to the scene in cairo. hundreds of thousands still demonstrating their, demanding the resignation of the egyptian president, demanding that he does now. protestors have been waving the flag, singing country attics songs. -- patriotic songs. the protesters are ducking of reducing their presence in the square.
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