sglm welcome teir prm. tonight, we begin a series of conversations and focus on turkey. we kbin with the prime minister geraldo serrano. >> if our party is favored, if attracts the sympathyf the people it is because itis not fundamentalist. it is because it is not permitting extremism. we are not extreme right. we are not extreme left. we are right at the center of turkish politics. we have adopted a central policy. some people say we're right. no, we are not right. we are not leftist, either. we are sitting right at the center of turkish politics. >> rose: we begin part one of

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captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: turkey is one of the world's rising powers with 75 million people, a 9% growth rate and a vibrant democracy, it plays an increasingly influential role on the global stage. it is the world's third fastest growing economy after chine and india. it is a member of the g20. it is seeking membership in the european union, in spite of the resistance from some countries. it is opening embassies in africa, asia, and latin america. it plays a mediating role in

many of the conflicts in its neighborhood. with turkey's rise, the narrative has shifted. for years, we talked about this u.s. ally and nato member as a cultural bridge between the west and the muslim east. today, it has emerged as the middle east's most dynamic power center. its foreign policy is to have zero problems withits neighbors and it has developed extensive trades and ties with iran, syria and iraq. in libya, it had billions of dollars in contracts, and good relations with colonel qaddafi when the uprising began. the unrest in the arab world has brought a new focus on turkey. its sect s.e.c.ular democracy is seen by some as a model for countries like egypt and tunisia. many say it faces new chajs in the shifting landscape. the "new york times" wrote, "before the arab spring, turkey was a catalyst in the emerging realignment of the middle east,: had

tonight, we begin a series of conversations taped last week in ankara and istanbul." prime minister recep tayyip erdogan. he was a highly successful and popular mayor of istanbul in the late 1990s. he is a devout muslim and was jailed briefly for anti-secular rhetoric in 1999. in 2001, he founded the justice in development partly, also known as the a.k.p. it promised topursue e.u. membership and liberalize rkey's economy. a year later it won a landslide victory. it gains gairnd more than

two-thirds of the parliament. in 2007, his party won again, and he returned as prime minister. he is now in the middleave heated campaign for reelection. the elections take place on june 12. polls suggest of a.k.p. is on course to win a third term in power, making turkey the longest serving single-party government. the main option party, c.h.p., is expected to get around 28% of the vote. erdogan's campaign is all about the future, specifically the year 2023,hen turkey will commemore the 100th anniversary of the foundation of the modern republic. he has promised to draft a new cotitution to replace the e fr the military era. he wants to make turkey one of the top 10 economies in the world. he has an ambitious plan to build a canal nnecting the black sea in the north to the mamarris sea in the south. some say single-party rule has made h autocratic. journalists and authorses have been jailed in connection with anti-government cue plots. he is also in the news with

roles his country is play in libya and syria. we spoke about all of this in a conversation we taped on friday. tell me how you see the extraordinary events taking place in this region. some call is the arab spring. >> ( translated ): of course, in north africa, it started in north africa, which continued in the middle east. these recent developments are, indeed,-- are, indeed, pointing at a very troublesome process. and within this process, we, turkey, we are partisan because at the historical point, we have common values and we are a nation that shares common values. and their problem, their concern is our concern, and ther

happiness is our happiness. of course, these recent developments in tunisia what went on in egypt, hrain, yemen and all of democracy freedom demands, are affecting us whether we like it or not. and at this point of time, in tunisia, there is tranquility. in egypt there is also some tranquility. and there are activities going on to set up a government. yemen could not make up his mind yet, but if you look at the situation, at the totality, there is a reverseable situation. and then we have syria. this process with syria is very different for us because we share a common border with 800 kilometers, and we have marriages and because of all of

these reasons, our relations with syria areuch more meaningful and much more-- like domestic affairs because people just going out of that country are coming to turkey immediately. and just a short while ago, about 300 syrian citizens had to seek revvinguge in our country because of the recent devepments in their country. of course, in the meantime, i had some contact with some leaders in libya, i had a meeting with qaddafi. in syria i had a meeting with mr. bashar, but all of that presents something-- people, indespencible request for peace, freedom and democracy, you cannot deny them any longer

because in autocratic regimes, people are revolting against em, and people want freedom. people want independence. people want-- people see this as their rights, like water, like bread. and i beeve that the result will come. and then there are searchesinar already. >> rose: why did you respond to the people, as some say, later rather than earler? >> in fact ntunisia and in egypt we addressed t e street, first of all, because there, it was actually beyond a point and their demand was irrevesible demand. however, in libya it is different there. the process, the process we were thinking that qdafi could

managehe situati, manage the procs. our citizens wer citizens of other countries, their evacuation was an immediate concern for us. and we undertook the evacuation, first of all, and then our attitude towards syria was also different because we evaluated every country in its own condition. that's how we took these different steps. but we, in turkey, our style of approach to these matters, top-level aapproach, in fact, is to hear the basic demands of the people about basic rights bhuman rights, these rights that take part in the human-- universal declaration of human rights. and we meanted the administration, the government, to respond to them. but the government were very

late in responding to them. they did not respond at all in some cases, and that is how egypt came into the picture, yemen likeways. bahrain, syria, and all of them, we-- i believe, that they are anhing to take steps that direction. buif they delay any further-- and this will be the point in irreversible process and it will not be any differe than now. >> rose: take sirria, for ample. you had many conversations with president assad. many people believe it is too late, that the actions he's taken prevent him from going back to reform, and that either he will survive or he will fail. >> well, bashar is a good friend of mine, and we-- we had a long discussion with him, even one

year ahead, one year before now, lifting state of emergency, release political prisoners. we discussed these issues, and elections, i mean, changing the election system, allowing political parties and , and we discussed all of these issues with him. however, he was late in taking these steps. and i hope he immediately takes ese steps quickly, integrated with his peopl in each m visits to syria, i see-- i see people's love for assad. he was driving the car. i was sitting next to him, and we were touring in the streets of syria, and then sometimes we got out of the car, and we mixed with the people.

buwhen i see these things, i saidhe communition between the people and the government is very good. and we also agreed on his... political party. i said it's necessary-- i said, send us your people. we can train them. we can show them around in our party. we can undertake this. so we could-- how does a politil party get organized? how do they establish ties with the people? how to communicate with the people. and then- and then weagreed, actually, on these points. however, taking these steps were delayed, and had the domino effect evtually... syria as well.

unfortunately, we ended up here, especially the issues in hamariggered the situation. >> rose: you do not want to see another hama. >> we said that very clearly. we said we don want to see a new hama happening. >> rose: can he survive? should he survive? do you tell him it's te to go? it's early to make a decision today because final decision will be made by the pele of syria, of course. and i wish sya is not damaged by that. the unity and integrity of syria should remain-- they should act in unity and integrity, and that's how we want to see our neighbor and we want to prepare to-- together the decades and century ahead. >> rose: when you look at turkey's role here, they-- and kind of country it is, some suggest that it might be a model

for where some of these revolutions and rebellions might take these countries. >> well, as said before, societies are different. the countries are different. tradition and customs are different. and with all-- they have to be evaluated in their differences. turkey's structure and the situation turkish people and arab community, north african community, cannot be evalued the same. of course, we do have similarities. >> rose: and you were reaching out to hav relationships with zeroroblems with all of your neighbors. that was a defined feign policy trat gee. has that because of these conflicts, been made less likely to happen? >> well, even in the critical

moments, legality me mention libya, for example. we are in contact with the authorities in tripoli, and we are in contact with the opposition as well. but there came a moment where we had to withdraw our ambassador, and we had to close down our embassy because that was the point where we could not resist any more because there would be death, and we saw the deaths king place. we saw it was not bearable any more. and eventually, the nato intervention came into question. but we did not take part in that intervention because our duty was different. we were in the humanitarian side control of air space. these were our duties, and we

continue to fulfill these duties. likewise in syria. we are talking with . bashar , but we are also talkinwith the opposition. we are-- why we are having this dialogue with all the parties, we are preparing for the future, and if there will be duty on our shoulders to do something for the future, we would be able to do that. because we don'tant libya to be divided. we don't want syria to be divided. our concern is unity and integrity. this is our effort. >> rose: do you believe nato's gone too far? >> for the time being, nato's framework in libya is okay. i don't think nato has gone too far in libya. and nato is doing what it is

supposed to do for the me being. >>ose: but you've asked qaddafi to sp do. >> these are different issues. we wanted that fro the beginning because our call to him was the following-- find a person who you want and who people of libya would want, recommend him as a leader, and then libya would not be in a difficult situation. because qaddafi was called by libyans -- >> he's a revolutionary leader rather than a head of state. >> that's how they regard him. and until the last moment, we wanted to keep it as is. but, unfortunately, he does not withdraw, and i said listen to

the demapdz of your people. but in the end, libyans' frustration, and when libyans were killed with air raids and attacks, of course, no one could sit there and watch all of this. and in the end, now he is suffering his-- the death of his son and his three grandcldre if it is correct, and this is not something bearable. and we would not like to see this hapn. but,n the othehand, hundreds of thousands of people are being killed, children, women, and it is also-- and that's what we saw people who were wounded. we brought to turkey about 300 people who were injured. we are treating them here in turkey. >> rose: let me move to what's going on between hamas and pata. do you approve of this?

yes, i am very pleased with what has happen. i am very pleased. let me express it very clears. because this is what we wanted to see for many years. and this is-- and this is the-- i spent a lot of effort as prime minister for many years to bring them together, and now i am very happy to see this happened, and we don't want-- we want this to continue like this because if peace will come to palestine, if peace will come to the middle east, this will start from the internal peace in palestine, and then-- ask this target ahead will be discussed much more-- much effectively. so they came together. they are in peace now. and i hope that they continue

this peace among themselves, and then by way of holding elections within less than one year a democratic process will work. here, the western support is essential here. if west does not support it again, it will be pity for the middle east. >> rose: secretary clinton, as you said, said they would not rule talking to hamas if they would recognize e rights of individuals to exist a not engage in any terrist activities. >> well, let me give you a very clear message. i-- i don't see hamas as a terror organization. hamas is a political party. it emerged as a political party. it appears as a political party. and it is an organization, it is

a resistance movement trying to protect its country unde occupation. so we should not mix terrorist organizations with such an organization. and they entered into the election. they won the eleion. they had ministers and they had parliamentpeakers who were imprisoned by israel. ministers and members of parliament in israel prisons. where is terrorism? they enter into elections, and after the elections, this is how they reacted. i mean, calling them terrorists, this would be disrespectful to their policy and people. >> rose: mr. mashal, who i have interviewed, he is not prepared to recognize at this time the right of israel to exist. and he says that the resistance will end when the occupation. and he set up what he believes

are the requirements for the resistance to end, which as you know is the right of return, capital in jerusalem, 67 borders and lippination of the settlements. >> many of them were accepted before. 67 borde were accepted and by accepting 67 borders, hamas will have no problem. they say yes to that. and that was already gained before. but a lot of the issues are possible to solve, and we as turkey, we said we are ready to intervene here. we are ready to tak part in this i believe in mashalmashal. they respect us, and they rely on us d the steps to be taken and i believe we can solve it with them.

and these developments in palestine, this politicization process will give an end to violence. but, of course, ther is need for mutual understanding. israel should get rid of the present understandi with the present mindset, because israel, they are terrorizing and this is what they did in international waters. they attacked our humanitarian assistance flotilla, and that did not apologize for that. they-- and they did not accept to pay compensation for our nine martyrs, and they still do not approve of bringing construction material to gaza, and there, charlie, how can you-- how can you put all palestines in gaza like in an open prison.

of course they will rebel. and we said, we are peace volunteers. if we say we are-- we are-- respect humarights, they should not bkept in open prison. if israel does not allow, you cannot bring in one case of tomatoes. maybe with the opening of the borders, with egypt, they will be. so we ve to start a new period. if you want peace to prevail, we should take the steps. here, there are dutys for the united states. there are duties feare european union countries. in short,... should asme a very aive role, and we are certain we are ready for everything. >> rose: are you still demanding that israel, with respect to its relationship with turkey, apologize and provide compensation? >> this is absolutely certain.

i mean,-- three things. apology, compensation, and lifting of embargo on gaza. they have to be lifted. it has to be lifted. we in the middle east, we want-- we are a country that accepted the statehood of israel and palestine. and we recommend this to everybody. we defend it. and we bring together the sides. we believe that we can. but, of course, we need everybody should know their limit, their borders, and then we can take these steps. >> rose: it comes to the question of where is turkey going, the sen that turk setrying to play a role and its relationships are primarily, as you know, with iran, syria, hamas, hezbollah. can turkey play its real role if that's the perception of turkey?

>> well, let me ask you something, let me tell you something. with the european union, this process of ours, our process with the european union, well, is is a process that started in 1989, and this is now about 50 years, more than 50 years, we are at the doors of the european union. and there is a european union that does not still accept turkey as a member. this is their understanding. and whato we lack in turkey? what do we lack? i mean, the-- there are countries among the 27 members who are well behind turkey. so turk sepresented-- a political obstacle. weep toecome a european union member. we doing our best so that we become a member. but for the last eight years, the efforts-- i know my efforts,

t, unfortunately, the european ion ill continues very clearly is-- is changing the rules of the game in the middle of t game. i mean, presenting obstacles that are not part of the european key. it is not honor. they don't stick to their promise. we say open the doors. that's enough. and th are putting-- that they did not put to anybody else. what is this? they have to stick to their commitment. and now they are bringing such an extreme level and turkey was going to gi them a lot, for example, $1.5 billion of the islamic world is expecting turk tow become a european member. and having islam and democracy,

a turki nation that would have both would play the role of this bridge. we hope that they could see it -- >> let me just be clear on it. there's been no din dim nition in your interest in becoming rt of the europe union. anybody who suggests your foreign policy has shown an orientation ift becausof the euroan union action is right or wrong? >> here, let's mix with apples and oranges. our process with the european union is a bloodshed. our relations, growing relations in the islamic world is anothe process. frequently, they talk about the shift. none of them are shifts. these are just normallizations. the west, the west itas much

more intensive relations with the islam world than we do, i mean, economic tradition in france, britain, germany. i mean, their relations with the islamic world is very normal, but our relations with the islamic world is not normal, and how can this be possible? in iran, the west has much further relations than we do. they have investments in iran. they have indirect commercial ties with iran. in financial terms, the western financial institutions have strong relations with iran. they don't see that. but we see that in turkey. but when in this world, that we are trying to survive, we are continuing our relations with allcountries, and the european union is not reporting the principle of commitment, fulfilling its mmitment.

we never cut our relations. and during my office of prime minister for eht years we vanc it. and we are very determined to advance it, advance it. and then there's e black campaign. >> rose: what's the black campaign? >> the black campaign is turkey to destroy turkish determination to become a member of the european union because we are determined. and they want turk tow give up. and i say that if you are not going to accept us, you have to declare that. turkey is a part of the dialogue of civilization. there are more than 100 organizations working in the alliance the civilization.

had we did that together. so why don't you open the way for turkey. >> rose: who is behind this? do you think the french are behind this? do you think the germans are behind this? do you think the dutch are behind this? >> let me put it very clearly, very enly. unfounately, today, france is number one. secondlygermany. and the others, i don't want to mention. these countries had, they always led in this respect, but our relations are very good. we come together with mr. sarkozy, with merkel, we meet with them but when it comes to decision make they come with obstacles. >> rose: do you believe in the end because of your economic power that the european union will come to you? >> well, we don't have such a problem of bringing-- obliging

europe. we want to see european union as the address of the alliance of civilizations. we are in europe. were-- we have five million citizens living and working in the european union. i mean, we are somehow enter into the european union nfrance, in germany, netherlands, sweden. and-- but in-- in economic tms had... had are we have fulfilled all of this criteria, and ignoring turkey is a very problemic issue with resct to the leadership of the european union. and now just imagine, the sixth largest economy in europe, turkey. >> rose: and the 17th largest in the world.

>> that's right. it wilbe better. >> rose: your relationship with iran. define it for me. >> our dialogue with iran is a different question. first of all, our friendship with iran, dates back to 600 years ago. this friendship, this brotherhood, nothing could upset this 4 friendly relations. louis peace between us. and between the-- in the process we did not have any significant problems with iran. but of course, we do not want to see any nuclear narmz this region. we are againstuclear arms in this regn.

we are sorry for this. so far, the international atomic energy agency could in the even identify t existence of that. they don't say that there is nuclear arms in iran. but in israel, there is are-- there are nuclear arms in israel. are and why there are nuclear arms in israel? no one says anything abou them. no one pushes them. but, on the other side, there is iran are. yawn raun is pushed, although they don't have nuclear arms, and we find that unfair. if you have to be fair, just are are hear their vitriol. let's, first of all, get rid of the atomic bomb in israel. then let me act together with

you against iran. we always said this. >> rose: are you saying that you will not encourage iran to stop its nuclear program as long as israel has nuclear weapons? had. >> well, i don't want to see arms of mass destruction in our region. and so far, iran-- we told iran not to do th. and iran so far say that they don't have any nuclear arms. that's what they say. >> rose: they have a program. >> but i am addressing t world he. >> rose: right. >> israel, why israel is not destroying its had mass destruction arms. an then they can give the answers, and then we will be comfortable. >> rose: what do you think of the united states?

>> i don't have the answero this question. >> rose: you talked to president obama. what does he say? i'm told in washington that the two of you have a very good relationship. well, charlie, well, you are maki such a skillful turn here. a leader like obama is, of course, he's going to makhis own.... >> rose: let me turn to two things about you. what do you wan for turkey? you said that turkey has a growing presence in the islamic world, a growing relationship. what is it you want for turkey to be? >> well, the answer i canive to this question is we have no aim to be a leader for the islamic world or for the region. we are not in such an effort.

we want to be a country which is mentioned like an element of peace in the world. we are a country with a strong history. we are a nation with strong history. and we wt turkey and 100th anniversary of our republic, we want to prepare r country for the future. we want a competitive country. our technology, industry, finance, economy, all of our plans are made and are being made in science and education, likewise, in health care, transportation, likewise. so we are-- we are a country developing rapidly democratic

free e.u. member. we want a strong turkey. a leer country. and we want this t happen. and, therefore, we want with cities, with its urban transformation, weep to come up with a different turkey. we have 12 years target plan. this is included in our 12-year pl. and we are going to take this accord will, and i qualify as follows-- between 2002 and 2007, i was an aprentice. 07-2011, i was a forman. and after 2011 i will become a mast sgler the first four years you were reventis, the secd four years you were a forman, and now you want to be a master. a master of what? >> in everything. with all-- with our artifacts,

with our-- what we produce, from finance, to all the investments. social project, social restoration projects. we will be the master of these projects. and with all our execution, we want to be an exemplary country, a coveted country, like in the history. that's what we are going to achieve. >> rose: turkey is changing because of and you your party. is it becoming the state more autocratic? >> well, in turkey we don't have any confenceroblem. turkey is not a bannincountry. an autocratic structure in our

country, out of questn. i said that in the parliamentary sembly on the council of europe. let me just tell you very simply we have whatever the laws say, that is is what is done. and in turkey, we have the separation of howa. the legislative, the executive, and the jr.y. judiciary, completely separately. had they are all separate powers independent from one another. >> rose: but why do you have so many reporters in jail? >> well, the number of journalists in our country is 27. the recent figure i got is 27. and all of them are because of--

because of acti against the law skrks it's not buzz of their thoughts. i want you to know that. becoming a member of a trorist organization or acting together wi a terrorist organization, counterfeiting, and that sort of they are this prison because of that. because of crimes, and even beyond that, and as it goes in the indictment, using or carrying arms, firearms are. and then being connected to crime organizations. because of all of this, nothing else. >> rose: with... >> we have a judicial process, and it's an ongoing process. and according to our laws-- it

is a title that is given by the judiciary, and i would like to say the following to you. in the western society, are there journalists who attempt a coup datalk or an effort paving the way for a coup d'etat? >> rose: i can't imagine a journalist being capableave duica tau in america. >> among the 27, there are such people. >> rose: among the 27 journalists in prison because of conspiracies against the government. >> f example, they wanted to overthrow the... government by way of coup etat.

there are steps taken for that. there are orders, insuction. they want to provoke people and bring them people to the streets so that they rise. >> rose: you want to rewrite a new constitution, correct? >> in 2007 elections, we are a party that got 47% of the votes. in 12th of september, there was a referendum, and the referendum is accepted with 58%. and so, our people are not pleased with the current constitution. and they say that having t 26 articles aspend not enough. chge it all together, they say. and we say, okay, let's come and let's work on it. let's study that. and let's make this a people's

constitution, people's language. it should be a constitution en peopleouldnderstand when they read it. and in the parliament, let's have a compromise. sleets a consensus-- let's have a consensus. the parties, the n.g.o.s, they opos a constitutn, and then work o it. and then we co up with a constitution that is accepted the people, not prepared by the coup d'etat junta. we want this to be short and concise constitution. this is what we intend to do, and according to the election results, we are going to take some results, but it will be a constitution that does not allow extremism, fundamentalism, et cetera. no way. i mean, there's no way we can accept such a thing. and if our party is favored by

the people, if it attracts the sympathy of the people, it is because it is not fundamentalist. it is because it is not permitting extremism. we areot extreme right. we are not extreme left. we are right inthe center of turkish politics. we have adopted a central policy some people say we're right. we're not right. we're not left, either. we are sitting right at the center of turkish polics, and right and left can find many things from us because our name isconservative democrat. we sit at thcenter with conservative democrat featus. and have-- you sigh the-- you see the air all around color, we

ar so rich in differences and colors. this is what we are. >> rose: you have always made the point that you as an individual were a devout muslim, yes, and that the state would always be secular? how do yourotect the secularity of a state? >> just, i explained before, in a democratic secular social ate of law, this secular structure of the state is who is going to protect it? of course, people who govern the state. that's as simple that. here, the issue ishe following-- all groups of faith are eqi distant to all of these faiths, all these-- as long asou guarantee they're safe, the state will be a healthy state. and this is the orinal..

structure of the secularism. the government, the state should be equidistant to all faiths, and they are all under th protection of the stat and that's what are doing in turkey. and we have no concessions to give on that, and we have not done that. whether they're muslim, christian, jewish, buddhist, or atheist, whatever they are. >> rose: it is said that the military has gone back to the barracks, that the military, because of you, is less involved in politics. is that true? >> well, let me put it this way. the army, the military during our term of office, acted in a way that it should act in a

democratic parliamentary system. during our-- in our period o office, this was established. this was-- became more established. and our armed forces is acting according to the democratic rules. and inur-- whether the position of our institutions, according to the constitution, and everybody is accepting that, and everybody expecting that and this is most important success of our office. everybody knows where they should be, where they are. the president's position is clear. the prime minister's position is clear. are the parliament speerkz, clear. the armed forces and the chief joint staff position, very clear.

and everybody acts in this sphere of authority. of course, we have good dialogue. we have very good dialogue, and that was the important thing. and that is how it is going. >> rose: you don't fear the p.p.k., and you don't fear the kurdish minority? are. >> well, they are not kurdish minority in the first place. kurds are our real citizens. our founding citizens. our kurdish brothers ask sisters we are together. we have no problem. with my party, i have more than 60 m.p.s who are kurds. and there was a party who claimed to be representing kurds

but not all of their members are kurds. they are working had-- which is the strongest party nurky-- in turkey. and the attack made to buildings of terror organization, they are attacking with molotov cocktail asks other arms. especially in the southeast, in the east of turkey, are in the region, trying to fight them, trying to intimidate the party in that region butt is not possible because the party dame together with problem solving. solve proems of everybody, including kurdish people, includinging the region. so whatever the west has in the

rest of turkey is just the same. they get what the north gets, what the south gets. rkish, kurdish, separation, discrimination, that's out of question. are therefore,y we are their targets. and me and my colleagues, we all around turkey. we will be there. and we will you shoul take our election campaign in peace. and excitement and we will thought be deterred by that because when we hit the road, that's-- we came-- we started with this in mind, and we pay whatever the cost to pay. but the quest-- west was never sin tear to us. they protected terrorists. they still continue to protect the terrorists. they catch them, they bring before the courts, and they leave from the other door.

and this is not the right approach. i mean, this is not how you fight against international terrorism. >> rose: were you pleased at what president obama did with respect to the demise of osama bin laden? a terrorist? >> let me say rightway, when the bombing of the towers in the united states happened, we said something very clearly, that there is no religion to terrorism, there is no nationality, no race whatsoever. we condemn terrorism, wherever it comes from-- from muslims, from christians, interest jews-- whatever. and then i sent my first message to mr. bush at the time, and i

invited them to establish a joint platform against international terrorism. of course, when the two towers were hit, something happened in the world. they began-- the people began to put terrorism and islam together. bin laden is the person who made this happen. noorkt islam and terrorism cannot be pronounced together because islam never acpts terrorism. because we know that when terrorists kill one person, it is equal of killing all humanity. the meang of the word islam is peace. the religion whose name is peace would allow this to happen? no, never. we wis that that-- help

establishment of world peace. >> rose: therefore, you're pleased to see mr. obama take actions that... >> the fight against terrorism, i know, his efforts in anti-terror activities i know and i appreciate. and i wish that we become even more successful. >> rose: i have taken a lot of your time. i thank you very much. it is an extraordinary place here this country that you are the prime minister of. so thank you. >> thank you very much. and i would like to-- i would like to greet all of ousfrurz turkey. i hope we achieve world peace together. >> rose: thank you very much.

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