>> production assistance was provided by albritton communications and [please stand by] ."olitico vote, stop this farce and in this shutdown right now. >> there is an insistence on no negotiation, no talking, my way or the highway. down as week, the shut the voters are restless. cannot cover in this country. you guys are worthless. >> he has become a puppet with ted cruz pulling the strings. >> all we're asking for is a discussion and fairness for the american people under obamacare.

day one of the shutdown, obamacare kicks in. is running for governor of texas. >> who want to help texas jobs and help texas companies grow. what greeted washingtonians tuesday morning as they looked at the "washington post" and "politico. " john boehner and his are public and colleagues in the house have found themselves on an island. they have ted cruz. cruz toldnator

speaker boehner to take up the post to defend obamacare heated. did it. the tea party behind him. how does a freshman senator managed to be a poster boy so early in his career? >> it is not the first example but maybe the best example of how politicians, when they have media, the ability to command media attention and activist support do not need it all. they're contemptuous of the areas of traditional power. staying in good stead with the leader and the washington crowd. it is worthless to him. he is using a model that sarah palin and others before i'm used that he is using it i think with

wea buts before him used have never seen one exert that much clout on them issue of major -- an issue of major consequence. >> are we being unfair to ted cruz? >> no. he has been very successful. john is exactly right. you live by the sword, you die by the sword. you always wonder when that beam of light is going to turn on somebody and it will be an ugly color. it almost always happens. weuppose it might not but should wait for that moment. we who wait for disasters should wait for that moment as there are always disasters and politics. >> he is working with the late -- weak leadership. you have mitch mcconnell who is running for reelection.

he does not have a mitch mcconnell standing up to him and in the house you have a speaker who is being led i a minority -- by a minority within a more inority. it leaves the field wide open take advantage of the situation. >> we can blame senator barack obama for some of this. why served multiple terms in the senate getting ready to run for president, just go for it and it is much easier now than it was when barack obama was in the senate because of the weak leadership coal be. it is better not to be laying with the leadership now because you can -- playing with the leadership now. >> we do have the debt crisis looming. republican members of congress are quoting the speaker.

john boehner said he would not allow the united states to default. there are signs this thing is bruising the economy. the dow dropped almost 700 points in a couple of weeks. to republicans are willing fund a little bit here, a little bit there. piecemeal. they were talking about funding nih, for example. early on we showed eric cantor and behind him were a bunch of people in white coats. who are those people in white coats? these are members of the republican doctors caucus. >> they are curing cancer and eric cantor and the republicans want that to keep on. they want to choose but they have got there, prince at the world war ii memorial where one congressman is saying you should be ashamed of yourselves to a national park ranger who is working there without pay to do atnational park rangers do our national monuments, to keep them safe and clean. >> those doctors were making the

case to fund children's cancer research at nih. why would you not do that, why would that not be the compassionate thing to do? to take careoing of the dr.. they have the capitol police up there protecting him working on for lowe's without getting paid trade you cannot again choose which ones you want. the government ought to be open, not some piece of the government that seem to be popular at the moment. >> they know how vulnerable they are. people dislike government in the abstract, like it in the particular. usually the president is the one who can take advantage of this phenomenon by shining a spotlight on any particular aspect of government that people like and happens to paul well -- poll well. the public views their tactic as illegitimate. we should negotiate and says -- obama says we will not negotiate and your tactic of holding us

hostage is illegitimate. the public is on obama's side of that argument. >> will this turn around and bite the president? >> there is always that chance. it is kind of a dangerous idea that you re-litigate a bill that already passed but the president is in one reelection on. when it is a republican president, this could buy him or in thebite him or her behind and it is not the way that the public does business. i am curious whether we get to the debt limit, do you think there is any possibility that they could have a grand bargain or are we getting suckered again? >> one approaches this very warily, like charlie brown going up to kick the football, because on half a dozen occasions over the last three years, 2011 was

the big year for this. we always had this run-up to there is a deal possible, there is a grand bargain. we all fall for this because we know from our own reporting that if you closed the door and put john boehner and barack obama in cameras ando total freedom to negotiate, they would be out by lunch. the issues are not that hard but the political issues are just as hard and i have to say not having seen that many attempts fail there is no reason this one will not succeed. >> speaking of lunch, how does the lunch go this week? timee got almost real- reporting. they beat him up. republicans are deeply resentful of his tactics. were that colby used was demagoguery and republicans agree with that. would it points out is the republican party is two parties. you have an established way --

establishment wing and the tea party wing. >> we are playing with fire here. aren't we? >> full faith and credit of the united states is on the block here. to meet our financial responsibilities, debts that we have incurred, to say those will send shockwaves through the u.s. economy and the world economy. look at all the creditors out there who will [inaudible] domestically and foreign. john boehner understands that. as a senior member of that house, he understands that. crazies do not understand that. the crazies want to send the country over the cliff. and others boehner to stand up to them. >> they should be getting the

yips over this. there is a delusional faction of some members of the house where they say we can still pay our international debts. if you do that, you can bet people will not get their social security checks and that is the kind of thing we are talking about. the rest of the world, instead of being the ayatollah negotiating with us in iran, and this president will look so weak, how can the other side be sure that he can carry through on his promises? >> the last time we tiptoed up to this, independent economists billiond it cost $1.4 for standard & poor's lower our ratings. you will have wall street republicans join together and say don't you dare. >> i think that is right. the two parties within the one republican party will always, attention will be on mortal

antagonism. the business wing will not tolerate it. you see people's portfolios go down because of wall street crashes or something like that, that has more economic consequence than even the egg tax increases -- big tax increases of any individual. >> when we walked up to the cliff the last time the estimates are that a cost trillions of dollars to the economy. >> they will not tolerate it but why are they telling what is going on right now, why are they not putting more muscle into the game right now? >> because a lot of people in both wings of the republican party take the government is too big and they do not mind seeing obama sweat when it comes to the size of government. they can shut it down and there is no big calamity. >> they call it the -- not those shut down but the slim down. >> that is starting to happen. they could if they have any sense how they could declare victory and withdraw given what

has happened since they came in two years ago. has started to shrink because of their activities but they want the whole thing. -- g after obamacare >> the president keeps saying that the deficit is shrinking. >> it is shrinking. structurally the only thing that republicans in most districts anymore because of the 2010 districting and the 2010 win, the only thing they have to fear is a primary challenge. not a general election challenge. rex most of the tea party people do not have to worry about that. >> the democratic party has -- >> a lot of the tea party, the elected in 2010, they praise it in most contexts. they mean what they say. they ran on certain ideas and they honestly mean it. people who are kind of cynical

think i have seen what has happened to bob bennett in utah and i do not want that to happen to me. artie has madeic a serious mistake and they recognize it now. they have let the state legislators go without getting concentration. that is where they need to put their attention. >> how is this playing in pre are? not very well. >> everyone is angry. the government hostage over obamacare is ridiculous. >> a bunch of jerks running the show up there. >> you kind of get the drift. people said the people to washington to govern, not to close up shop. my wife and i were driving through zion national park in utah. if we had chosen this week we would not have been able to do so. what is the fallout on this politically?

we know what happened to newt gingrich and the republicans. >> we are about to have hurricane season. they cannot cherry pick fast enough to keep those parts of the government open that will anger people when they are closed. there is a slight chance because the way the press covers things to that there becomes an equivalence. obama is saying -- saying i will not dissociate is equivalent to saying i will defund the government. at -- at this stage into the debt ceiling crisis and i want to believe john boehner. he does not want any of this to happen but i do think that republicans will have to get something like maybe the medical device tax rollback or something or a promise to sit down and have a tax commission or an entitlement reform commission where they say we have had our way and let's move on. >> 72% of the american people

opposed to shutting down the government even though 47% do not like the affordable health care act. >> they do not like obamacare but you have to look beyond that number to see what else is happening especially with this of the act this week. it is one thing to give a party and nobody comes. they gave it -- a party which is the time to sign up and they were oversubscribed. the glitches in trying to get people signed on but the demand -- they demanded to know more about this affordable care act. e sentiment will shift. republicans have made a serious error in trying to defund or repeal this law that is already on the books. that is a nonstarter for them. they should have never gone down that road. >> do think the speakership is in trouble? >> it is in trouble every day of the week. that is why he walked away from

the deal several years ago. it is why -- he was proposing a clean cr and he could not get it through his own caucus. he is in trouble all the time. knows who would succeed him. even though -- even the people we thought had a knife at his back all the time, eric cantor, they are in trouble, too. bresnahan was making the point that the issue is john boehner. particular policy dispute. the dominant caucus inside the republican party just does not trust him. if he says yes to everything they demand they will be opposed to it precisely because it is identified with him. he has become that radioactive within his own republican party.

>> there are those who believe that john boehner still can preserve his speakership by his reputation and that is to look at the question at the debt ceiling -- of the debt ceiling. he knows what the consequences could be if we default. john boehner can get the votes to raise the debt ceiling. >> democratic votes. some democratic and republican votes. what he will get is credit for avoiding this catastrophe. that should be more to the speaker not because of him personally but to the leadership if he pulls that off. >> he has been fooling -- falling back on the has stirred rule.terd it may be a defensive or an offense of thing.

figure johnc boehner is becoming. coming in as the son of the barkeep who swept the floor and with 11 brothers and sisters. he wept at the time and he must be weeping now. to go outstion is if with a blaze of glory, i am going to give it my speakership but we are going to move past this impasse and it must be attractive to him. it is not like the job is that great. you're hanging onto a job where are subject to ritual humiliation. >> this is his moment. >> the rollout of obamacare. competition, more and more prices. most uninsured americans will get covered for $100 or less. >> in terms of news coverage the shutdown overshadowed the very

thing house republicans are trying to reverse, the affordable care act, obamacare. there were glitches as kathleen sebelius says. we did not talk about that because we had this other thing, this huge elephant appear. up here. >> fox talks about this a lot. part of the pie. were really overwhelmed. if you go back and look at massachusetts what happened when they did this, they had about a romneycare wasn pretty unpopular because they were glitches in some evil said they had to pay more and they did not know how to tweak the law and now it is wildly popular

in massachusetts. >> republicans declare that it will in crease the care- the amount of health and add $500 billion to the national debt and cost jobs. how accurate is that? >> let's take a look at this. the supreme court will settle this one, the constitutionality. the rest is assertions and responses to the assertions. they suggest that this would collapse of its own weight. we have from now until march for people to sign on. we have seen the strong display of interest. that will sort out and you'll have more people getting enrolled. you will see millions of people enrolled in this. in the states where the governors do not want to do this because they're red states, there will be no affordable

health care act. onceer, it will be demand it starts to take hold in other states create this thing will evolve over time. of course there will be costs involved. snowball coming down the hill, you cannot get it back up. >> obamacare will not be reversed. >> can it be to debt, taken away piece by piece? >> probably not because you start chipping at some parts and you have the larger whole that funds the popular parts. you make that impossible. the issue with health care has always in the same when clinton and harry truman tried to tackle it. you have access and cost. obamacare seems to be on half given all the interest in the sign-ups to be dealing effectively with an access question. more people will be covered. the long-term issue is exploding costs and there is a general view that obamacare has not tackled that. that is the next health care

debate to come. >> when they try to get these -- the board to go after the cost and look at outcomes, they are called death panels, you cannot pay doctors under this bill for dealing with people because we spend 1/5 of our health care on the last two weeks of life. when you talk to republicans, it is like a hot button issue. how did health care like abortion and guns? it is individual mandate. called individual responsibility it might have worked better because in fact a big part of the resistance comes from young people who did not get insurance because they did not think they needed and they were writing the system in emergency rooms so they have to for co- -- $100 a month pay insurance. are you defending deadbeats, is that your meeting here?

of the american people and 47% do not like it. >> if you change what you call it -- >> why are they so divided? >> i will call it propaganda. they are forcing part-time care and robbing jobs. some of it is going to stick. i suggest in the implementation over time, people will see through this, this will become part of the system. to >> they are not irrational to oppose it from a conservative perspective. they know that when you have a new government benefit no matter how controversial it is at first in the implementation, it becomes embedded in american life and so this is going to lead to a much more prominent role by government in american

life. it will become like medicare, medicaid, social security. >> he will become excepted but you have to note -- it will become excepted but you have to note, if you look at the states where even republican governor states where they have accepted the medicaid expansion, though states are providing pretty decent options for people. if you look at the states where they have not accepted the medicaid expansion, it is much more expensive and some of the states are big states like texas. >> speaking of texas, rick ary will not run for reelection. we will talk about one of the people who is. >> we want every child the matter where they start in texas to receive a world-class education. davis,mber her, wendy filibustered against sweeping abortion restrictions, she is running for governor of texas and she has a great personal story. >> she does. whoses a teenage mother

marriage broke up, living in a trailer home then later went on to harvard law school and received her degree and now she is age 50 and had an accomplished career and what we have seen happen with her is something similar to what we saw with elizabeth warren in massachusetts. she bolted from a sturdy -- obscurity to the national stage by being seen as a passionate defender of liberal values. i would not say that is typically the way to get elected statewide in texas by being a passionate defender of liberal values, that is why there is interest in her. she has become a national figure. >> texas is changing, too. >> the demographics are changing. she will be seen as an extremist on the left, she expects it, i think. because of her position on right

to choose. the numbers are changing on the ground and this will become retail politics. increasedulation has 25% or 30%, most of it minority. the voter turnout is not great. she has to make a good showing. >> wendy davis is proving that the filibuster is the quickest way to national fame and notoriety. bbottney general greg a because it seems like there is one issue she will broaden. >> see you next week. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org--

from washington, the mclaughlin group, the american original. for over three decades, the sharpest minds, best sources, hardest talk. issue one, crisis or catharsis? >> one faction of one party in one house of congress, in one branch of government, shut down major parts of the government. all because they didn't like one law. i have to say, i'm disappointed in the actions of the united states senate this morning by rejecting the bill passed by the house last night. the bill that passed would have funded the government through december. my goodness, they won't even sit down and have a discussion about this. >> for the first time in 17