>> welcome to the program, we begin this evening with a look at the film gravity, it stars sandra bullock and its director alfonso cuaron. >> you know, if you at all are awake enough to see the reasoning behind something, the human being is such an amazing creature in that it wants to fight, it can't not fight for survival. most of the time. and we talked about that a lot, you know, what is that thing that happens when you have given up, that ignites just the slightest amount of passion to at least try one more time before you truly give up, and sometimes letting go is what you need to do. >> rose: we conclude this evening with walt mossberg and kara swisher about their new tech company. >> and i don't, by the way i don't believe the print is inevitably dead or that every print or traditional broadcast

outlet is necessarily dead, but clearly the web is an he for spousely dynamic and important place for journalism that is winning. right now and so that is one of these things and every one upon factor in all of these things is that it is web versed and web centric and web only, perhaps. >> rose: alfonso cuaron, sandra bullock, walt mossberg and kara swisher when we continue. funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. >> i have been around long enough that the people out there owning it, the ones getting involved, staying engaged, they are not afraid to question the path they are on. because the one question they never want to ask is, how did i end up here? i started swab for

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specialist stone, i am off structure and drifting, do you copy? >> rose: sandra bullock and alfonso cuaron are here. they collaborated on one of the most talk about movies of last year, the movie is called gravity, it is an action movie set in space, it ponders deep questions about human struggle and evolution, and here is a trailer for gravity. >> beautiful, don't you think? >> what? >> the sunrise. >> terrific. >> no! >> houston, dr. snow, listen to my voice. i can't breathe.

>> help! >> what do i do? >> no, no, no! >> anybody, please copy. >> rose: gravity is nominated for ten academy awards, ten academy awards including best actress, best director and best picture i am pleased to have sandra bullock and director alfonso cuaron at this table. together. welcome. >> now he has been here before. >> and before but never with you. >> he has done everything better and before me. i am okay following him. >> rose: so when they showed you this part did you say this

is for me? i love it or did you -- >> no. >> rose: did you say i don't want to work i am tired of working? >> i said i don't want to work i have nothing to offer, i don't know how -- i don't even know where to begin to start talking myself into -- >> rose: did you really? >> yes. >> rose: why? >> i wanted to stay home with -- >> rose: that is a different reason. >> with a sweet little boy and i didn't -- >> where i was in my life at that time, yes that would be the child, that would be him. and i just wasn't in a place where i thought -- >> rose: let's go make a movie and play with adults. >> yes, pretty much, pretty much, that was it. >> so why do you want and insist -- >> actually, you know, i met her in austin, we have are a lovely conversation, a lovely chat, i called hey man, my partner and said he is bright but she doesn't want to work. >> is that right. >> after the conversation, she wanted to do it. >> rose: oh, she didn't tell us that part. yes. but she didn't let us know like

for a few days. >> so we suffered. >> you, she upped the ante. >> the rules of dating, you know. >> you can't take the first offer. >> it is interesting in, as game playing may sound, there are other factors, you know, you need to weigh before you go off on an unknown journey, there was nothing about this journey you could sort of get a hand hold on and say i know what this is going to be and be secure in making this decision, nothing, i so i had to look at a lot of fax factors to see if i could, you know, be okay letting go of everything, to go on this journey. >> rose: what factors did you look at? >> well the first one was can you make the world a wonderful world for my son? i cannot go here if i can't be around him all day and if i can't have him be a part of this journey, so they guaranteed me that his world would be right there with us, and they would make it

amazing, which they did, they turned the whole, you know, cement soundstage into this wonderful oasis for a child learning how to walk, bumper guarded everything. so that was a huge factor. >> rose: how is louie. >> at the time he was a year and a half. and then just and not knowing how to do this, am i going to be able to train for this? will i be able to have the time and prepare to do what i need to do and all the answers were yes. >> rose: and it was an interesting enough character for you to want to inhabit? >> once i knew that he would allow me a certain level of collaboration, i didn't expect collaboration to come from someone like alfonso, i thought you sign on and you let go and let the tiny dictator rule the set. >> be ineffective lent. >> rose: benevolent dictator. >> ben voluntary lent dick. >> benevolent dictator. >>s it wasn't like that at all.

>> i didn't know how to pull it off .. if i didn't have the ability to collaborate with the storyteller because there was nothing, you had nothing, so i needed to know that he was okay letting me stop and question and search for and all -- he was that and more. >> yes. my cowriter, we always say that we have composed a screen play was done in harmonies and the melody, and it is truly literal in the sense that there was -- in the screen play that sandra read, it was every single scene that you have seen in the film, but the way of taking the character, it was still up to interpretation and sandra was so adamant to work, to make sure that every single detail was going to work for the theme of

the film. >> rose: what is the theme of the film. >> the theme of adversity, the theme of loan license and adversity. >> rose: i thought it was rebirth as well. >> well, yes, adversity and the possibility of rebirth, but the journey is a journey of adversities, and the goal is rebirth, yes. >> rose: we will see how you made this movie in part. how long did i it take you to make it? >> a total, four and a half years. >> rose: well how much of that was just getting the money and everything and the actors together? >> no it was four and a half years because we have to develop the whole technology and stuff for two and a half years, then we shot, and then it was pretty much two years of putting everything together again. >> rose:this is nothing like you have made before. >> no, never had an experience like this. >> rose: you have never thought about gravity much, have you? >> i do when i look at my face in the mirror and other parts of your body you think about it a

lot. >> it's a thought. >> rose: i was hoping you wouldn't say that. >> i think about it all the time. but i had not thought about how the body works in gravity which is very different than how the body works with -- >> rose: without gravity. >> how the body works in zero g versus gravity. >> rose: yes. >> and you have to unravel every impulse and reaction that you normally have and in this strierm and you have to train your body to bend and movie in ways. >> rose: explain that to us you have to move in way that are counter intuitive. >> yes the best piece of advice i got from actually astronauts at space stations imagine you are pushing and pulling against balloons so pulling in is like the act the balloon was here is what it feels like so there is always an effort made, and if you hit against something, you know, let's say i am running against this table you move forward into the table versus

the minute you bump into something you go backwards and grab it and you don't stop until you meet something else and how your body responds and spins out of control is, as much as you fight it the worse it gets. it was just little pieces of information that they gave me that when we started rehearsing i went wow. >> when i had the screen play i sent it out and there is a small sample, intimate film, we can do it in one year, just like some special effects, but when primed it, the convention, it was clear that it was not going to work. >> rose: yes. >> so we needed to find a way of making that work, and one of the principals that we discovered is to try to move the actor as little as possible and try to move the universe around as much as possible. >> rose: he is used to that. [laughter.]

>> now from you. i know. >> wow. are you surprised? >> i was surprised that you jumped on it first. i thought it would first come out of his mouth. >> well -- >> continue, continue. >> and then it was possible in a peter gabriel concert and he is so -- and. >> rose: led panels. >> and had this idea of experimenting with led lights, because you know of the speed at which the lights can travel in each panel and that was the point of the departure, and then we combined that with robots, the one they used to build cars. >> rose: so what is happening here? >> and then we hit very hard. >> there is the scene they are literally filming it upside down. >> this is the puppeteer. >> and they are up there sort of laterally moving you and another puppeteer below me to sort of keep the body --

>> rose: wow. is this the hardest move you have ever had to make. >> in the best way, yes. >> in the best way. >> yes. >> because everything. >> challenging but most exciting. >> guying and rewarding and also the most, once i figured out that i was fighting it and i should actually be using everything that was frustration and that limited me, all of those things that frustrated me were actually things that once i figured out were of benefit because ostensibly it is the same thing that is happening to the character in space, it is the loss of control, the frustration, the loneliness, the isolation and instead of fighting it you sort of embraced it and it became a friend rather than something that was a problem. >> rose: here is another scene. take a look. >> so this is taking something off. >> this is taking off the space suit, and the bicycle seat, the balancing. >> yes. >> this was p5e toughest for you. >> yes. >> because you had to like

contort and hold the position while the camera is also turning and moving in the background is moving and turning so all elements had to be in sync or if my hand was there the wrong place -- >> and also she had only this point of the bicycle seating which it would be like an all day, all the weight and stuff, and she had to move as if she is just loading, so that was a tough one. >> yes, but it was also the one you knew everything was leading up to that specific scene and that shot and you could just feel the excitement but the tension of everyone's position in the scene, because so many variables had to come together but when it did and it worked it was absolutely silent, i thought i heard chivo crying, he was so emotional for everyone that when it worked, it was beautiful. >> it is because that was one of

those moments that were impossible, we couldn't figure out how we were going to do it, and. >> rose: and this is collaborating too. >> yes. but -- and the thing is, that a big chunk of the weight of that moment was going to fall on how easy sandra was going to make it look, you have to remember he is supposed to be floating in zero gravity, no resistance and he is actually just doing this grab kind of situation there. >> rose: i had no idea. and thank god you had that career as a dancer too. >> it was my love of dancing i never would have made it as a dancer i am not disciplined enough, but i did look back and i go the love of dance, my parents musical background, piano for years, just timing and rhythm and everything being musically motivated, once that clicked for me while we were shooting instead of someone barking out counts and types, and you are like stop it, i could sub consciously figure out how to carry out the scene,

rhythmically like a dance routine so once we were able to rehearse it and get it in sync, you didn't think about it anymore like the lower hall of your body operated completely separate from the inner like and emotional life so you could just do your job while the mechanics of your bodied the slow motion and land idea they were supposed to land suppose you were disciplined enough would you have liked to become a dancer? >> absolutely, absolutely. >> really? >> that is the thing i think, it is like, really? >> yes. >> rose: well, it is interesting. >> and my dream always has been, i mean when i sit back and allow myself today dream it is about that, to be able to express myself through the movement of body to music, not saying a word and this is as close as i will ever come, that's what i left here coming my dream of being a dancer was sort of realized once i made this movie. >> what is she going through? what is the transformation in ryan? >> you know, someone who has

experienced such a loss that the only way to survive is to remove anything that the in essence of memory of what like was like before, is he is basically a machine, allowing her brain and skills and what he is good at to sort of propel her through life, everything is rhythmic and perfunctory and nothing in like that has any meaning if she can at all avoid it, it brought her to this situation, in space, i don't feel great but i will execute what i need to execute and go back to life which is pretty much nonexistent, she doesn't care if she has a life or if she perishes so what kind of person is she at that point when she has to decide to fight for her life? is she going to be someone who just said i am going, i am going to take this opportunity and let go and die or take this opportunity and let go and let whatever comes, come, but accept that she might -- it

might be worth fighting for something. so it is interesting to see when a person comes with that crossroads when they get what you wish, you can make that choice and let go of life, and not fight for it anymore. >> rose: and i mean, what is really always interesting to me, if often, if it takes you something else to get you to find that thing, in this case, being up there, that thing. >> yes. >> rose: helped her find that she might not have found otherwise. >> yes. life is interesting that way, isn't it, that it just gives you, they say it doesn't give you anything you can't handle, i don't buy that but i do believe that, you know, if you are at all awake enough to feel the reasoning behind something, the human being is such an amazing creature in that it wants to fight, it can't not fight for survival, most of the time. and we talked about that a lot, you know, what is that thing

that happens when you have given up, that ignites just the slightest amount of passion to at least try one more time before you truly give up? and sometimes letting go is what you need to do, and, you know, you have the ultimate gift in this movie, and for those who haven't seen it i don't want to give it away but the greatest gift a human being can give another being is given, and it is so lovingly and selflessly done that if that doesn't ignite that tiny little spark in you to look at your life and see the worst of your life, then, you know, you are missing the whole point. >> to make that kind of sacrifice it doesn't do it for you. >> you are not going to be -- >> rose:. >> yeah. >> rose: and that's a spiritual rebirth we have been talking about. >> yes, yes. >> the it is rebirth. >> rose: in the largest sense of not so religious but oneself. >> and knowledge about yourself, and the universe around you. >> was this written by your son

and you. >> yes. >> the two of you wrote that? >> yes. it was actually -- >> he was here, and -- >> did he? >> pretended she understood him he kept nodding and what did he say? >> that was a departure, because when we started talking, the funny thing is, before, we talked about space, and we started writing the thing we talk about the themes and so we defined that it was going to be adversity and then we were talking about the scenarios, the possible scenarios and it was when this image of an astronaut just drifting into the void, and that image -- >> rose: it is a perfect --

>> yes. >> rose: a visual image of that. >> yes. that weight and that was the point. >> rose: now, without sounding like i am a psychologist or a shrink -- >> are you lipsed? >> no. >> licensed? .. >> no, no. >> this could be an awkward moment right now. only shrinks can help people. >> rose:. >> i still need more but i have been helped, not by you but the licensed, the people who actually know what they are doing. >> rose: but when you described this character have you been similar to something like that. >> ? >> knock on wood i never have to experience what she experienced. >> rose: exactly. >> we all get knocked about, if you have lived a good hive you are going to get knocked about. >> rose: if you live a good life you will be knocked about. >> rose: because you have taken risks and taken -- >> and taken risks and look getting up every day is a risk, opening your heart to people is a risk, is someone telling the truth? is this guy hops about

the journey we are going on or why did i say yes to something i didn't want to say yes to, i was led -- >> rose: and how do you answer those questions? why did i say yes? >> you know what? why did i say yes to this one? because when we had the initial conversation we spoke about adversity and what we wanted out of life and in similar very terms and we had the same language which really surprised me. >> rose: what was the language? >> how we speak the same language -- [laughter.] >> rose: see what i got her to admit? >> i think in the end it comes to not knowing, not knowing, and knowing we are absolutely in no control over anything and once you admit you have absolutely no control over anything, i think you sort of are more in tune and in sync with really the bigger picture. >> rose: absolutely. >> and comes back to the metaphor of just letting go and it is easier said than done. but going back in and saying i am going to say yes to an

experience that scares the crap out of me, it is the unknown, am i being a bad mother and taking him to a place that won't be good? is this going to be a bad environment? are there going to be egos that will make me regret having -- you know all of the what ifs and every single day i was surprised and moved and loved and cared for and you go, hmm, so glad i said yes. so yeah, everyone gets knocked about and if you don't. >> rose: not just about a job but in terms of personal relationships. >> absolutely. and i am, you know, i panic, every time i have to make a big decision that forces me to be around, you know, people and make a big life decision i panic, but when i fake a breath and let it sit it and go, if it scared me for the right reasons which is creatively that is good if i say i am going to be around energy that is not going to make -- that is going to make life seem, you know, life is too short category then you don't say yes, i didn't see this as a life too short category i saw this as hopefully a way to get

over, get over a lot of fears that i had and i did, and it was, you know, the sweetest, sweetest time i have had in a very long time, both personally and in the work environment. >> rose: and therefore it encourages you to look for the same kind of experience. >> yes. >> and i will never have this experience again. i will never have all those elements come together again. i know that and nor am i looking for it, but i want to fight for something that is different and challenging and asks the most of me and i thought i did that before, but i realized never to this degree, but also doing it to this degree taught me a lot about myself that i had no idea existed. >> rose: like what? >> it is just like addicted to -- >> sandra is almost as if is an addiction of testing her limitations. >> yes. >> rose: testing her limitations? >> addicted or just i can no

longer just be afraid, i can't let fear dictate. >> rose: that's the point, you can't let fear -- >> >> if you might have in the past but this helped you realize -- >> i need to dive into that and figure out zero why i am so afraid of that. >> rose: in a broader sense isn't this a transform if the experience for you? >> oh, 1,000 percent, the person i went into this did not the one that came out the other end, at all. >> rose: and the person today is more confident or more understanding of what it is that i should do to better appreciate the fullness of life? >> all of the above, not that i am more confident, but that i am a very aware of my shortcoming and no longer paralyze me, i am not fearless, but i am excited about the things that scare me and can look at them from many sides rather than, get again,

letting them freeze up my path of choice. >> rose: -- love of louie. >> yes. i like that. >> rose: does that change the he case. >> yes. and in every decision i make, i mean, i know that my whole career trajectory, i was given this amazing gift and it has opened doors but i go isn't that funny how it opened all of these doors and i know i will probably not be able to take most of them because i will choose to be a mom and choose to have my life involve, evolve, revolve around louie, shocking for an actress, and i just wanted to say before you did. >> rose: what was he going to say? >> he was going to say shocking! [laughter.] >> shocking! >> you know, i think that is a familiar story amongst people who have children, you just go, i have been so lucky to this point in my life that -- >> rose: you have someone tolls live for. >> yes and his life is far more interesting than mine right now so he deserves to have the world revolve around him for this

time. >> rose: because all experiences are new. >> everything is new, to him and to me. >> rose: does it make you wish you had done this much, much earlier? >> no. >> rose: or did you do it at exactly the right time. >> it happened exactly -- >> rose: at its maximum. >> yes, it happened exactly the way it was supposed to happen and i honestly don't think i understood the concept of joy until now. >> really? >> uh-huh. i didn't know what it meant. i mean, i knew, i think i knew what it meant on a surface level, i had no idea what joy truly meant and looking, looking for joy every day, what do you want in life? i want to get up and find joy, wherever it is, i just want to find joy with, of course, you know -- >> rose: but i mean that is because of louie and because of this experience. >> but they all came together. >> and find joy. >> i just want to find joy and that's where i think if you want to ask, what was it that made me say yes? it was i think al upon sew's path in life was exactly

the same. >> it was -- >> i think we were trying to sort out the same mysteries. >> yes. >> >> we agreed in the theme of adversity, and we were trying to make sense out of adversity. >> you know, is this thing. >> we tend to fall very easily in our comfort zone, even if we are going through hard time. >> we follow our -- we are a victim of our own inertia and life has its way to beat the crap out of you to put you in your place by beating the crap out of you so sometimes if you are too much in your comfort zone, you know, you don't discover? and if you are too much in your comfort zone you are repeating yourself. >> yes, but sometimes life is generous and extends you adverse at this, you know because this is what who need to shake you a little bit. >> rose: what were you looking for, you get up every morning and look for joy, what are you looking for?

>> oh, i mean, i mean, i always thought i was a very happy person always grateful, but there was always sort of, you know, looking over your shoulder in a way you go manager is just not right, something is missing, what is this thing that, you know, that i didn't want to have to manufacture the joy by going, i need a cup of coffee to sort of wake up to get the day started, i didn't want to have a great role to make me feel satisfied in myself creatively, i didn't want it to be another human being or another situation was in charge of my happiness, but i found myself going, wow, i did this and i am supposed to feel like a success, but i don't, i have accomplished this and i should feel good about myself but i don't. and so i think i was just placing joy on things that were on the outside coming to me rather than, you know, all of a sudden life shifts and you adjust and you learned things

and all of sudden, is it having a child that breaks your heart open? maybe, is it having that happen at the same time i am given the most extraordinary work experience to challenge myself? maybe. is it because we got to do it in england with the most incredible crew and cast of people who were kind and loving and showed you support and sweetness every day maybe. you know, all of those things, you know, i can't, i can't put my finger on just one thing but it is the culmination of so many things that, you know, going with the flow. i can control nothing, you know, and it is just that, once you realize you can control nothing, it sort of takes the pressure off. >> rose: it will find its own way to find the joy. >> yes. >> rose: thank you for coming, again, pleasure to see you. >> thank you very much. >> rose: you are quite wonderful as you know. >> that i agree. >> can i get a clip of that? >>

>> that may never happen again. >> rose: thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: back in a moment, stay with us. >> because we were in the post pc era firmly and i talked a lot at the time about the ipod, we were finally in an era where the apple method that had been there from the beginning was actually going to be superior and the path to success in a way it hadn't ben't in the era where the pc was king. >> rose: mossberg and kara swisher here, they are two of tech's most informed and respected journalist they started a new vane picture, re/code, it is a new site that tries to reimagine tech journalism, kara swisher founded all things digital, legendary news sites and conference series for the wall street journal, i am pleased to have them back at this table. welcome. >> thank you. so how did this happen? >> well, we spent about a dozen

years, a as you just said, doing all things digital, and all things digital into at the conferences. >> conferences and a web site and conferences and dow jones which is the company that owns the wall street journal, allowed us to be sort of autonomous entrepreneurial unit in there but eventually we just made a decision ourselves that we needed to have a different structure to grow this thing to its fullest potential, and that structure was to be independent, have our own company, and raise the funding that we needed to build the thing further. >> rose: and you found that at comcast or somewhere? >> well we have two minority investors and i would also actually call them partners, one is terry simmell, who is currently. >> rose: windsor partners. >> windsor media, and terry was the head of warner brothers pictures and yahoo for a while,

and the other is -- >> rose: bob daily. >> right. cohead, and the other one is nbc news pat dilley crushell is the head of that and the two are minority investors and with nbc we also have a partnership agreement for our journalists. >> they needed more tech news they are very interested in and haven't been very aggressive. >> rose: you went to the wall street journal and said we are going out on our own to do that, did they say, no, no, no you can't do that we will make it so attractive you can't leave or what did they say? >> i think over the years we never had gotten an investment for dow jones over the two different owners they had. we had been profitable and made money and walt and i did really well in terms of making money there, but there was never any investment idea we thought was much bigger and so when you are sort of covering and i have where you think of growth and where uh i don't can go if the company you are with does want to invest and happy just making

money it is harder so we had a way to do it that was much more, we wanted to trade the profits we were making for equity, that is one of the issues they want with to own 100 percent, mike any media company they want -- >> to be fair they might want to own 80 percent, all of these media companies. >> they want to control, and, you know, we had been, walt, we like, we are like the crazy cousins but we did like really well. >> rose: and attract a lot of attention. >> we attract a lot of attention and we attracted so much attention, and it wasn't comfortable as to the setup he wanted. >> i it was kind of inevitable d i will have to say it has been pretty much applicable and mutual. we kind of mutually realized that it was time to part ways i mean they and most media companies and i think this speaks way well to the way nbc handled this, most media companies and maybe most companies when there is a startup thing, they really want to, like kara said control it

and i don't, i don't consider it unusual that dow jones or news corp would have had that point of view into so this is all applicable in the end? >> yes, yes. >> yes. >> >> rose: so applicable -- >> as applicable as you can be leaving news corp. >> rose: not only did you leave you took away about half of all of the employees that were working. >> but they were not news corp employees. >> rose: they were employees of you. >> they had been contractors working for us, and. >> rose: that means they have to start all over doesn't it. >> they hired to their credit and, you know, they allocated money and they have hired some fine tech reporters and viewers. >> it was separate, it was operated separately, we were a startup within a large organization and unfortunately that doesn't work. >> rose: what is it you are going to do, yo you are going to have a conference. >> al already sold out. >> three hours, it is really long this year. >> rose: oh, my goodness. >> three hours. >> three hoirz. >> and we raised the price. >> and we raised the price and

still sold out in three hours. >> a big wait list. >> rose: is it any difference than the previous conferences? >> look, the foundation of it and you are the master of this, so you know is, good interviews and conversations and that is still going to be the foundation but we have some ideas for some changes, we see this as an opportunity and i know this sound hokey but it really is true to continue the kind of quality and approach we have had, but to reset and say, you know, everybody we covered changes what they do, every month, every six months, whatever it is, that's the way the tech world works, we are going to do the same thing. >> rose: wow want to make this, as i understand it, tell me if i am wrong, you want to make this as kind of a clearinghouse for all information about technology. >> yes. >> rose: no. >> all the technology you need to know, the technology you need the know and thely give you an example of something we already have done. we have been in business a month, but manager we have already done that we weren't able to do before, and that is,

we hired reporters, one reporter to cover the current cutting edge of tech, not just the normal stuff but science and biotech and that kind of stuff that we weren't covering before, so we already have added another coverage. >> rose: like going on this program. >> you do fantastic work. >> the crazy stuff google is doing this week or what is jeff bezos up to? >> but beyond covering the mainstream of tech and then -- >> rose: the cutting edge? >> we also have hired someone to talk about the kind of junction of tech and community, tech and society. >> rose:. >> right. >> which is another area which i am not saying nobody is writing about these things, but we had not been doing it, so even in the first month, we -- >> rose: you don't just go to this new venture looking for a conference, you go looking for the latest information. >> trusted information. it is very different, because there is still, you know, the mainstream media, you can't, not the internet, anywhere, but i think what happened was, these blogs and tech especially have

gotten better and better as mainstream media has gotten less and less influential so there is a juncture -- we have proven a small group of people can have a massive influence by just being good at what we do, last week we said -- was going to get microsoft. >> rose: you did that? >> i am so clever, i don't know, just because, it is great reporters and we have a great team of reporters, same thing with reviews. our reviews, i think, are better because which do reporting on the reviews, walt has a very vigorous rigorous review system that is like reporting and people are dying for quality content and we are bringing it to the, to them in a fresh way and very cog any santa of mobile and very cognizant of smaller stories some are larger, we move fast. >> rose: let's just talk about the broader picture of what you are a central part of which is the idea of web journal live, whatever you want to call this. because you have got ezra klein moving to -- and david pogue has

gone to yahoo and different people going to different places, give me a sense as you have been talking about, what it is about and what impact it will have the connoisseur, the consumer, as well as what what, impact it will have on mainstream media. >> well, let me tart, because we both is a thoughts on this, there are two things one is the web itself and by the way, i don't believe that print is inevitably dead or that every print or traditional broadcast outlet is necessarily dead, but clearly the web is an enormously dynamic and important place for journalism that is winning right now, and so that is one of these things, i mean, the one common factor in all of these things is that it is web first and web centric and web only, perhaps, second but there is a second thing here which has to do with the combination of journalism

and entrepreneurship and saying, ezra ornate silver or maybe us, these are people that have built a following zero, a brand, and may have the opportunity to raise money or to get partners that will fund their efforts and let them go off and do what they want and they don't need to be in a bigger -- a bigger structure. >> rose: what this implies to everybody because there are differences, nate silver went from one big place new york times to another big place, espn. >> and i don't know what his deal is here. >> he has, he can have real control, ezra will have real control once you start to have real control, it is like uber upended transportation, we see upending all day long, and so why not -- we are disruptive and i think we probably are, but in a good way, it is not disrupt if the just for the sake of being

disrupt ruptive, i think we were talking to rupert. >> rose: rupert -- >> murdoch, we hang out all the time, but he was saying, i remember him going, how do you get all of these scoops with just state reporters, i said well how do we? that's a good question, what is the answer? maybe you should ask why you -- like that is a good question, how do we? >> rose: what is interesting about that, that is who he is and that's why he is who he is. >> he was disruptive. >> rose: no because he is curious and wanted to know how can you do it and how do i figure out you can do it so i can do it better. >> maybe he wants to save money. >> rose: he takes risks and we respect that. what is he doing? >> he called us, actually, he did, i know him from a long time ago when he was back, way back before ebay and he is trying. >> rose: you love everybody. >> especially you. i think that he is trying to do a much more advocacy kind of thing, which is why --

>> rose: in journalism. >> yes. and he is a great. >> he hired that's where he wants to go, he feels there is a real importance about civicness and did one in hawaii we talked about for a long time, where he lives a whole bunch of things like that, much more advocacy and much more investigative but with a point of view and he has so much money and very, very interested in that, and so -- >> he is probably not being served by amazing journalism. >> he is civic and i admire that. >> and i think you are right. i mean, i remember the conversation we had about that we had -- we had several dozen people, some of them companies, some of them investors, wanting to, you know, give us money or invest in us, and we had to find a deal which was right for us, and we didn't think the advocacy route was right for us and we certainly didn't think having somebody have the controlling share in our new endeavor was right for us, and, you know, we

wound up -- >> there are a lot of da -- investing in us and we felt that isn't. >> bc. >> a that is an investing space. >> yes. >> rose: well, ll bought michael -- >> crunch. >> we know all about what aol is doing. >> it is interesting -- >> tim armstrong who runs aol. >> rose: and they got rid of patch. >> yes, they did. >> >> no longer. >> we are talking about technology venture capitalists. >> sorry. >> technology venture capitalist whose invest in the companies we cover, and, you know, they perfectly sincerely wanted to invest in the thing and we thought the conflicts would be too great. >> we were talking to media companies or media investors. >> rose: venture capitalist yes but media companies, yes. >> you can't avoid any conflict if you invest in us and we

mentioned you we would have to disclose that. >> see, the thing that matters is transparency, and full disclosure. >> to, because venture capitalists is a little divot, every media company is in digital no matter how you slice it, venture capitalists, we didn't want to have the same investor if that was in uber, for example, you know what i mean. >> rose: but help me understand, i genuinely don't understand, why is it, i mean, this is a venture capitalist idea for comcast. >> not with com comcast, one ofe things we asked we didn't want to deal with the venture arm, amy vance who runs their comcast ventures and we are like we don't want her money. >> rose: why are they making that investment? >> you would have to ask them. because they want to change the way news is delivered and pat who is running it, i met her, the way we -- she called me. >> rose: do they have an equity interest? >> yes. >> so what is -- why is that different than venture capital? >> here is the difference, charlie, any time we mention comcast or nbc, even though

comcast is not the investor but they are the parent, we -- or i imagine. >> rose: they are the investor. >> they carry, or zimmerman mel we mention him, we will disclose they are minority investors in the company that owns that site, the difference is if we did a deal with one or two of the big venture capital firms in the valley or private equity firms there would be dozens or scores of these disclosures we would have to make and it is just a question of degree. >> we are old-fashioned that way, we wanted to -- >> and by the way way tonight point out that we are to old-fashioned that every reporter on our site mechanic to his or her by line has a link to their personal ethics statement about the kind of their finances and, whatever else may be relevant to the readers. >> rose: what could go wrong? >> >> no, no, that's not what i mean, i mean, for example, as you know, there was david car

wrote a piece and talked about, really, giving the same kind of overview we were talking about here. >> right. >> rose: in this case conversation and he is a friend of mine and a friend of the so shows and we love him, but he wrote about this and he was involved in something called inside.com. >> yes, he was. >> rose: and one of those things which is a kind of, what happened often in the media world, including the microsoft, being there too early. >> too early. >> it is loom like this is the time. >> exactly. >> rose: it has come of age this is the moment. >> but they are all different. >> they are all different, you see, the lumping this is a little irritating on some level because i think etch resingle one is different, one left the wall street journal to do a subscription thing very high level stories, subscription basis, different from what we are doing and different from what nate is doing, and what. >> rose: ezra. >> what different from what ezra is doing, and they are more than experiments and we have a successful track record of making money. >> rose: but my point stay

different one, it is that, you know it is the timing of the thing -- >> i love the -- >> rose: i did too. >> but it was too early. >> what could go wrong? i suppose -- i suppose you could begin to. >> too many. >> you could have fatigue about too many of these brand, brand journalists out there running these operations. what we are hoping to do and we have said this to every -- we literally have said this to every investor, potential investor that approached us with whom we met, which is a pretty long list the and our current investors know this, is we are hoping to not make it the walt and kara show. >> and it isn't. >> we are already have a very talented staff, including by the way in the conferences, i mean, our staff produces a couple of conferences for us, we oversee it but we real produce it, so we want in whole team to be thought

of as trusted and on the nose. >> and they like it so they can be creative, we didn't lose one employee in the transition, and believe me,. >> rose: 25 of them? >> 20 something. >> 20 to 25, something like that. >> we didn't lose one person, and new york times came at them, the wall street journal. >> because they are enjoying them receives and being creative. >> here are big stories f microsoft story. >> yes. >> has this been announced tomorrow. >> tomorrow. >> rose: tomorrow, why was he the choice? >> he runs their cloud operation. >> yes and he has been there since '92. >> people are doing the safe choice thing. i think it is a very difficult job and bringing in an outside ceo is probably too disrupt if the for a company of this size. it is too complicated. >> rose: so alan mulally. >> yes, they call it the slow damages of mulally that turned into a circus, that would not have worked at much and i suspect this guy might surprise people. >> i know you know microsoft well. >> rose: right.

>> but i would say one quick thing about it, it is an unusual, if you think of google, apple, facebook, microsoft, you know, the companies that have knees platforms, microsoft is different. it has the scale, about 130,000 people if you count the new people taken from nokia, it is an industrial sized operation, it is significantly bigger in head count than google or apple, and it has strong market presence in enterprise and excuse, so it is very complicated, the set of skills you need to be ceo, you want someone who is product oriented but someone who can run a giant organization and cause it to try to move fast moneyer than they have been able to move. >> it is not like all of a sudden it is going to light on fire and i think gates will be much more involved, we have written that for weeks and that is going to happen. >> rose: in they are going to announce he will be much more involved? what does that mean? >> work much more closely. >> he stepped away from

microsoft in 2008, 2007, somewhere in there and now he is -- >> he is going to step back in and. >> he said he would do as much as they wanted him to. >> he wants to do a lot. >> rose: well. >> well you have to at that care about it. >> he has been very active in philanthropy but he wants to get back into -- >> rose: rather active? >> he is rather active. >> he had has a lot of energy. >> rose: facebook. >> >> el, i mean,. >> it seems t to be -- >> i think the question for facebook, there is a whole monetization question they are beginning to answer on mobile in particular but i think there is a broader question there of of what do they want to be next? they have a certain kind of social interaction there, it has been very successful. but there are some trend they have to worry about ashes lot of young people that don't spend a lot of time being active on there, i am sure they don't like that. >> they don't want to leave there. >> they love instagram. >> they own instay gram and that is helpful to them, but facebook

the product itself, the service itself, they have some things to figure out, but, yo, you know, s a good problem to have. >> the paper is super interesting it is the ten year anniversary of it in internet terms that is like you are 412, you know what i mean? >> ian bremmer think what mark and cheryl have done is unbelievable in ten years and it is like what apple did, what microsoft did in a relatively short period of time. >> pennsylvania today under tim's leadership. >> mossberg -- >> well, i think apple, you know,. >> rose: you said that because steve jobs you call him up and ask him -- >> in the middle of the night. >> rose: right. so why did you write that, mossberg in. >> apple is -- they have sort of two issue, one with a -- one is a wall street issue, they are very large now, which is aston measuring to those of us who remember when they were hanging on by their fingernails, you

know, they just had a quarter where they sold a record number of iphones, a record number of ipads, and a significant not trivial increase in the number of macs where all pc sales were going down, and for that quarter they were awarded like a ten percent drop in their stock price so they have an expectations problem with wall street and with other people. they have another problem which is, you know, under the 15, 14 years of steve jobs, they became money for these game changing innovations, they are working on several, but so par, under tim cook, the current ceo, they have not brought one out. and i think this is the year they have to bring out another game changer. >> rose:. >> i think they have the talent that leads me to believe they are probably close to something. >> and everyone is a risk, jobs has talked about that, in fact,

jobs and gates together talked about that at our conference one time they were all risks but they are a company known for taking risks and trying to do it, if this, 2014 ends and they haven't even introduced anything, taken that risk, then i would think -- >> never in a lot of trouble. >> rose: and then you have got google and google plus and google i and selling motorola and bought it for 10 billion. >> i mean, the changes, this is interesting, i think the most interesting executive is jeff bezos right now. >> rose: that is coming up next, tell us about him. >> he is a person with such a curiosity and so many interesting things he is doing and the nexus of internet of things and retail and social and i think talking about someone ever changing. >> #02: tablets. >> tablets and always thinking, you know, one of the things i am saying lately is that right now, we are in the era of thomas edison and henry ford and andrew

carnegie, these are the founders of these companies, and they are operating at peak level right now. >> sing i regard him as a curator, the way -- they are hot the same guy atr&l and i don't know if they like each other to be honest, i never asked either of them, to be honest, i never heard anyone say anything bad but they are both curators, gentleman jeff wants to change the world, gates wanted to change the world, jobs, zuckerberg. >> i know it is corny to say change the world, those who who don't want to change the world but let's say flip their company, those people are not going to change the world but if you want to change the world, you may fail, but if you are smart like him and patient and you are kind of a curator and say let's make it better, this is not the right timing or let's to, let's go despite all the obstacles, let's not -- we won't make much money but let's go lay the foundation for this. those are the kind of people that will change the world. >> rose: and larry as well.

>> a great third, definitely larry. >> much success to this thing. >> it is great and going to be greater. >> are we going to complaining the world, mossberg. >> i was thinking of the great time you had, there is so much, so much good has come out of that and i know you will do fantastic. >> thank you. >> rose: you are required to come back to, back to this table, though, that is part of the deal. >> with our drones. >> rose: it is in our contract. there you go. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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