>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with a look at where egypt is today with david kirkpatrick of the "new york times." >> tangible discernible hostility to the president in the state-run media under president morsi. so it may be that a trulily dynamic man of the ages politician could have somehow taken control and worked the bureaucracy to his will in that job but morsi was the that man. >> rose: we conclude then with russell wilson, a quarterback for the super bowl winning seattle seahawks. >> our team had a great year. one of the things i told our team at the very beginning of the year, they would say russ,

why can't you be the super bowl winning quarterback. i told them at the beginning of the year why not us. that was the mind set and we just went for it. >> rose: david kirkpatrick and russell wilson. qwp

captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin talking about egypt, january marked three years since the egyptian revolution and the interim government has ruled the country since the military deposed president moaned morsi. yesterday prime minister and his entire cabinet resigned from a housing minister -- was appointed new prime minister on tuesday. it's widely believed the current defense minister will run in the upcoming presidential elections. joining me now is david kirkpatrick. he is the cairo bureau chief of the "new york times."

he wrote an in-depth investigative report on the ben gauzy attacks when christopher stevens was killed in september 2012. i'm pleased to have david kirkpatrick back at this table. welcome. >> it's good to be here. >> rose: you have been there and watched the arab spring wherever it is now unfold changing a region. >> yes i i was in egypt in time for the revolution there, i was there when khadafy fell. it's been breathtaking. >> rose: where is egypt today. >> it's very hard to know. as you mentioned, field marshall has likely to become the next president. he's the general who ousted egypt's first democratically elected president mohamed morsi

of the muslim brother brotherh. he was embraced as a hero and he was promising stability when he ousted president morsi. right now, i think that promise looks very remote. most of the factors that contributed to the original uprising, kind of economic stagnation, a lack of opportunity, an overwhelmingly youthful population. something like three quarters, 70% anyway the public is under 40. two thirds of them at 35. they feel very much excluded from power, excluded from opportunity. and on top of that the new generation has shown an intolerance for the kind of police abuse that their parents were accustomed to. and a demand, at least among a certain segment of the population for greater degree of account billity. all of that was in 2011, all

that fueled the uprising nothing changed. on top of those factors there's a come other reasons why stability looks like a pretty dim hope right now. one of them is that the economy is worse than it was. another is that this, the outser of president morsi has set off a new militant insurgency, new terrorists movement. >> rose: and people coming in i don't outside of egypt to parts tate. >> now you got jihaddists coming in from outside. this is a dream come true. they've been saying for years you can't trust the ballot box, you can't trust democracy they'll never let you win. only the force of arms can establish true just islamic rule. islam is president, elected and removed from power by the military. it's failure made for jihadi recruiting. that insurgency is going to

field more instability. and then there's another factor which is the muslim brotherhood and its changing role. the muslim brotherhood was the opposition against mubarak. it's a pragmatic organization. he had allowed them to have a place in the parliament and they were kind of safety valves. >> rose: they couldn't run -- >> they had the most i think 85 members of the parliament. ned a minority. they could never control the parliament. the they were kept in check but they were tolerated and became a safety valve. they were a way to direct opposition and energies into a non-violent controllable channel. that's how they were treated. that's not the case anymore. now they are outlawed. gunned down in the streets. tens of thousands of them have been jailed. and so that peaceful non-violent

channel has been eliminated. >> rose: i assume radicalizing the moderates among them. >> that's a good question. i think it's too soon to tell. the actual members, the dues paying members who attend meetings and have really dug deeply in the ideology they're not likely to take autopsy arms. that's a small number of the people who voted for president morsi. when you're talking about radicalizing, i think you're talking about younger people who might have been attracted to the muslim brotherhood but maybe not become fully involved and who might now be attracted instead to these newer and more militant groups, which is really carrying the flag of militant insurgency in egypt right now. >> rose: what's their objective. >> they grew up, they were formed in the sinai initially with the aim of making trouble for israel. and since the takeover, they

sort of have done an about face and aimed themselves squarely at attacking the new government in cairo principally by attacking the police and security forces. we have seen hints, not yet confirm they might get into the business of attacking tourists. there's an explosion near a bus at the border that they claimed credit for. i don't know if they really did it. that would be much more ominous. right now, they are executing a series, and escalating quick thing series of attack on the security forces. and appear to be getting better and better at it. most ominously, they used a shoulder-fired anti-aircraft weapon that could take down a military helicopter in the sinai. that's the first time a weapon like that's been used in egypt. >> rose: where are they getting the weapons? >> another very good question. we all assume this was one of many such weapons that was let

loose in libya after the fall of the qaddafi government. it turns out it's likely to come out of iraq or syria which is yet again more reason for concern about just what you said a minute ago that foreign jihadis are coming in and lending support to their brothers in egypt probably even trying to help ship weapons there. >> tell me about field marshall. how come he's likely to be the next president of egypt. >> well, he was celebrated by a certain portion of the population for outsing president morsi. >> rose: what was it that morsi did that was so bad for them. >> what was it that morsi did that was so bad. that's an interesting subject. there's been a lot over i think

misinformation in the egyptian media and in the foreign media about allegations that he was trying to establish a kind of islamic state, a sort of moral restrictions. all the thing we associate with iran basically. let's no real evidence. there are people who was afraid the muslim brotherhood might eventually try to legislate morality. at the same time his government wasn't very competent. he didn't really deliver. if a representative of the government was here at the table with us he would say that's because the whole state was conspiring against us. let's some truth. he wasn't fully in control he was kind of perch on follow of it. the police didn't show up for work. the police was against him and his government and his interior minister joined the crew.

and none of the other bureaucracies were listening to him either. it was a tangible discernible hostility to the president in state-run media under president morsi. it may be that a truly dynamic man of the 80's politician could have somehow taken control and worked the bureaucracy to his will in that job. but morsi wasn't that man. >> rose: but he is in fact responsible for assisi being where he is in part. >> that's quite a drama. there was an episode where some soldiers were killed in the sinai and provoked kind of a desire for change within the military and out of this shake-up, morsi named assisi defense picked him as his defense minister. he in return for the first time handed over the full powers of the presidency to morsi. and everybody, president morsi,

the people around him, the american diplomats and other western diplomats were consinced that assisi was committed to being a professional, sphaig o ut. he seemed like he wanted to stay out of it. that changed and he ended up sticking the knife in the back. >> rose: what happened. do we know what happened. >> what he said at the time was that the military needed to step in because egypt was sliding towards civil war or civil strife. it may be and here i'm just guessing. it may be that he really was hoping that morsi could eventually control the state, could get the police back on the beat, could control the crime and pacify the situation. when morsi failed to do that,

general assisi didn't pause to ask is this because of his own failings or the recalcitrants of the state. he had to step in. >> he's the most popular figure in egypt today. >> he's the most popular figure in egypt today and both the state and private media is saying his praises as loudly and as often as they can. >> rose: he's nothing going to be mubarak, he's something better and different. >> way better. better than nasar. on january 25th there was a celebration of general assisi in tahrir square. the people there, they were talking about egypt leap frogging into the first world basically under general assisi. >> rose: at the a modern thinker. meaning that he has an understanding of how markets work and have an understanding of how an economy needs to flourish, that kind of thing. >> these are good questions, i don't have the answers.

so far there's been no sign of that. he's shown no interest in the kind of economic reforms that western economists think egypt desperately needs. >> rose: he's probably concerned about power right now. >> yes. and he comes from an institution that has never been market friendly. the military in egypt owned a bign÷mm chunk of the economy. they've never been crazy about the idea of market reforms, and they are accustomed to the subsidy culture. >> rose: number one, assisi went to see putin and putin said good luck in your campaign. it's all under way and we're happy for you. the question always has been united states gives military aid to mubarak and hopefully, hopefully the end result of that will be friendly relationship with washington. >> yes. it's certainly the egyptian government says they would like to continue to have warm relations with the united states. i think their expectation is when the dust settles, that

relationship will continue. but at the same time, something has changed. and that is that the government, the current government of egypt is shocked, frankly that washington was willing to recognize a president of egypt from the muslim brotherhood. they don't really draw distinction from the president elected and supporting that president in a partisan way. i think it's going to take a long time before that has been forgotten in cairo. >> rose: when will they have an election. >> good question. i think april, may. >> rose: yes. >> for the presidency. and a parliamentary election after that. the parliamentary election will be trickier. for assisi to walk to the presidency but where people have an expectation where their votes will count and there will be multiparty competition. at the same time exclude the islamists which they appear

intent on doing. how that plays out is much trickier thing for them. >> rose: it's a good time to be to bureau chief in cryo. >> it's never dull in cairo. >> rose: i want to get to libya and benghazi. the arab spring. we talked about it in private beforehand. it represents what the arab spring, it represents all the homes and as aspirations of the arab spring. >> yes. there's no promise that's been fulfilled. >> rose: where was libya. >> libya is in a state of chaos. they don't have a very credible government. but it's not over. they recently had an election for a new assembly that will draft a constitution. the best thing you can say about libya is that there's no sign of any institution or group or strong man whose about to emerge

and take over. >> rose: closer to benghazi. tell me in summary what you discovered and how you went about writing the report that you wrote for the "new york times." >> well, it was quite frustrating from my point of view to see the debate over the death of ambassador stevens unfold in the u.s. because it was so full from the very beginning of misinformation. misinformation from the obama administration, misinformation from the republican critics. it became a kind of a blank slate that everybody could just throw their own theory up on. and so we, the newspaper, decided that i would go and spend months in libya in benghazi and tripoli trying to talk to as many people as i could who had direct knowledge of the events leading up to that. >> rose: including some of the people protesting in front of the embassy that night. >> i don't think anybody was

protesting in front of the embassy unless what you man by protesting is showing up with guns and getting ready to attack. >> rose: yes. >> the thing about the whole attack that led to the death of ambassador, it's not like a car bomb that is surreptitiously placed under a car. this happened a broad daylight that drew a crowd so there were a lot of witnesses. quite soon after the attack we heard from a number of witnesses that one figure in particular was clearly directing the attack. i sat down with him and interviewed him in the nurse couple weeks after the attack and i went back and interviewed him again last summer and i talked to the people who he said would provide alibis for him. i talked to as many as i could around the whole militia scene. to cut to the nut of it, the debate that developed in the

u.s. was this spontaneous protest that got out of hand as -- >> rose: in tunisia. >> right. or was it an al-qaeda plot. both of those things are wrong. the film did play a significant role. >> rose: bringing people in the streets. >> yes. the film was a catalyst. at the same time, the people who led and lost the attest, they hated america before the movie. so the movie was a trigger. but they were there, they had weapons and they had a desire to do harm to american and american interests before and after the movie. >> rose: can you say that they wanted to do something like this, were prepared to do something like this and ready and willing and able to move on circumstances that allowed them a trigger. >> certainly. but they weren't alone. you've got to picture the theme.

everybody in benghazi has a gun. most young people feel an affiliation, most young men fill some affiliation to some militia or other. not most, many. there are a lot of people with weapons running around who could do this kind of thing. when you add to that the sense of confidence that the americans had, this was a place where ambassador stevens was loved, where they were heroes. >> rose: and then you say benghazi. >> he risked his own life showing up there early on in the revolution. there's some elements of chance. when the attackers burst through the gate, they found tins of fuel that were just sitting there because the mission had just acquired a new generator. so it didn't take too much to use the fuel that they found there to begin setting vehicles and buildings on fire. >> rose: mm-mm. >> and within a relatively short amount of time, i think his fate

was sealed. >> rose: it all goes back to what happened that night. there are other issues which you raise in your piece about security. there are security issues and the state department which they should or should not have been. the military has clearly said they couldn't have gotten there in time. >> yes. i mean there was a fairly well equipped group of cia operatives just across town. the cia had a station there of some 30 people, i think, including some fairly well equipped and well trained special forces who made their way pretty quickly to the scene of the attack. and they weren't able to save that. it's not impossible that had he come out and shown his face, things might have followed a different course. i'm not saying that's the case. people who were there at the time also, they didn't know the ambassador was there, they just thought they were going to burn down a building.

let's a lot of myth making involved in the libyan understanding of that event. some of the people who i found actively covering up for the ringleader of the attack were also people who the americans turned to try to help them. militia leaders who they trusted to try to come to their defense. and some of those same people speak very foundly of ambassador steven. they still call him cells -- chris and call him a hero. there's ambivalence in the west and that proved to be very volatile. a lot of these people who said to the americans we love you, we really appreciate your help in the final moments were unwilling to take up arms against their foal libians and their neighbors to try to protect the americans. >> rose: great to see you david, thank you. >> always a pleasure. >> rose: when did you go

back. >> thursday. >> rose: david kirkpatrick reporting from cairo from the new york sometimes and all over the middle east. when we come back, russell wilson, the quarterback for the seattle seahawks reflects on his super bowl victory. stay with us. >> rose: russell wilson is here. he's the super bowl winning quarterback for the nfl seattle seahawks. last month at met life stadium they crushed the denver broncos to win the trophy. it was a rapid rise for a young man picked in the third round of the draft including andrew luck and robert griffin three. he's the first of that class with a super bowl ring. i'm pleased to have him here at this table for the first time, welcome. >> it's an honor to be here. >> rose: i was at that super bowl and i saw what you d i want to talk about leading up to it

but first since you won that lombardi trophy what's it been like for you. what's the life like of a super bowl winning quarterback. >> it's a tremendous honor first of all to be the super bowl winning quarterback but also to be the franchise quarterback for the seattle seahawks and to be a part of that organization, all the things we've done and to think about the fact that seattle seahawks has never won a super bowl in their franchise history and to be the first one to ever do it. our team had a great year. one of the thing i told our team at the very beginning of the year, something my dad used to tell me is russ why not you, why can't you be the super bowl winning quarterback. when i told our team at the beginning of the year why not us. that was our mind set. we just went for it. >> rose: you played baseball and football in college. the texas rangers bought the rights to you at some point. >> yes. >> rose: do you imagine playing both football and baseball. >> i always imagined that. for me charlie, i always

imagined playing two sports. playing the quarterback is tough and obviously i have a very very important role to be the franchise quarterback of the seattle seahawks. a lot to do and a lot to prepare for. that's where my focus is but you know, the gm of the texas rangers called me early in the morning to say hey russell. >> rose: i forgot you're on the west coast time. >> called me and says we want to bring you into our organization we just traded for your rights to the colorado rockies and if you ever want to play baseball again you have that option. and also we would love for you to talk to our players and motivate our players to be where you guys are. this is before the super bowl. this is last couple games of the season, regular season. but just saying that you know they want me to be a part of the organization, it's a great organization obviously. i'm excited bit. i'm actually going there this weekend. >> rose: when do you think

about next season. >> always. always. it's something, i always think about the next game. about the next opportunity. about the next moment. not the same thing i did last year, the same thing i always do this year and the years to come. i think that keeps me on edge. there's always somebody working for your job and you understand that about professional sports. you understand that about life. i want to compete at the highest level for a very very long time. i want to play 20 years if i can. if i can stay healthy enough. >> rose: what does seattle have to do to repeat. >> i think to have a chance on off season. keep as many guys as we have on our football team right now. we have a great football team all across the board. so the challenging part is to keep those guys. but i know our owner paul allen and our gm, john snider and our head coach pete carol will do a tremendous job of keeping the guys that we have to have and that we need and we can keep financially. and then add some guys. get some guys from the draft

that are young talented football players and just have a championship off season, have a championship season on how we prepare on a daily basis. >> rose: johnny football may be coming to the nfl. some people say he plays like you. do you certainly see some of you in him or some of you in him. >> i have a lot of respect for him. he's a guy that's trophy winne. that will transfer over to the national football league. >> rose: let's talking about making a quarterback, being a quarterback which you study probably as much as anybody in the nfl. if you looked at all the passes that drew brees drew in one year they were all the same or something close to that. >> yes. >> rose: looking for what? what was the point. >> i think fundamentals. i think just watching all the different throws that he makes whether if it's my quarterback coach and i, we always call him the junk ball throws. throws that are awkward, the baseball type throws where you throw it side arm or whatever it

is or kind of step back and throw it over the top of somebody. just the non-normal throws. obviously i watch the normal ones as well. and sack jaw way awe, getting rid of the ball and doing different things. i watched the live game tapes too. and i really study and observe as much as i can. that gets me in the mode of playing games and just watching his poise and that's what i try to do as much as i can. i try to play with great poise, great composure and try to be the calm in the storm. when things aren't going well, i try to be the calm in the storm just to relax the other guys. >> rose: pete carol i think said that you run to pass, you don't run to run. >> yes. i never run to run. i don't like running. these guys are running four fours coming after me. i can run too but i would rather through to the true play maker. >> rose: do you always know where the line of scrimmage is. >> yes. you play the game so much and you're around it, you study it

as much as i've studied the game, it just numbers naturally. you understand the game. >> rose: tell me when you take a nap what's in your mind. >> i always have a checklist in my head. when i break the huddle, i try to be calm, i look at my lines, look at the linebackers, okay and i anticipate what they're going to do. because i studied so much. i've prepared so well for the whole -- >> rose: you anticipate what the offensive back is going to do. >> i watch his feet, i watch his hands. >> rose: what does that tell you. >> that just tells me -- >> rose: what he's perceiving what might happen. >> what might happen. just visualizing in my head. i'm trying to be ahead of the game. as i go up i said i have that checklist in my head okay what's my progression. >> rose: is the crowd at your stadium a benefit. >> the century link is one of a kind and nobody can really compare. it's just the energy in that stadium is electric, you know.

the ground literally shakes. it's one of those things everybody has to put on their bucket list. i know i tell my family who hasn't come, you guys have to come to the game just to watch. it's a tremendous experience. >> rose: you take the ball and you're looking at your go-to guy, you want to know why he is. what's the second look. >> that's my alert look. then i go one to two to three sometimes four. >> rose: you have primarily three receivers. >> depends who we have in the game. whether it's five wide receivers or three or two, whatever. everybody plays different. i just go through my checklist and if it's not there then that's when the scrambling and trying to make plays happen. i try to be smart. something i learned at a young age in terms of playing football my dad actually taught me and my other coaches too as well but just salvage the play. it's not there, you got other players are going to make plays for you later on in the game. just throw it away or get a positive game. so that's what i try to do. >> rose: should we measure by

career or should we measure how many super bolles. >> i think a little bit of everything. it's got to be all encompassing. i think by the way they prepare, by the way they affect people, by the way they affect orgainizations. you think about peyton manning how he affected so long and then going to the denver broncos. that's what you want in a terms of a quarterback or basically your franchise a person that can change the community and change the city and change the organization obviously as well. and so he's done unbelievable job so he's definitely up there for sure. >> rose: when you and i talked on cbs the morning after which you i'm sure had no sleep. we talked about the game and i think i said to you, had you reached out to peyton. what do you want to say to peyton after a loss like that? >> well it's just a tremendous honor to play against him first of all. it's not the way he wanted the game to go or anybody on that side of the football. he's done so many things. i respect him so much, i truly do. i look up to him by the way he

approaches the game, how he honors the game and respects the game in every facet. >> rose: do you think in terms of -- peyton is the quarterback in the pocket and he throws. you're different than that. do you think you represent the future of the league that russell wilson's the kind of quarterback we'll see in the future. >> hopefully i represent the future. that's the goal i guess. i think for me i try to do it all to be honest with you. i can run, i can scramble around and all that. that's the exciting part. >> rose: did you ever watch a film of fran tar kinton. >> yes. we went to the hall of fame and they have some clips of him, i've seen those too as well. i used to like watching him play.

doug, drew brees is a guy i really watch. >> rose: is that because of size. he's six eight and you're five 11. >> i watch a lot of guys but the guys i watch, peyton manning. i watch tom brady. >> rose: what do you look for. >> i watch drew brees. i try to observe. if i was doing a case study, right, if i was going to do a case study on these quarterbacks, the guys that are the hall of fame type of quarterbacks, what did they do to change the game. how do they approach the game on every level. you think about peyton manning, you think about his mind. how he basically manipulates definances and -- defenses and changes plays. think about tom brady. how clutch he is. he's won so many super bolles and even though everybody told him he couldn't, even though he was 199th pick i believe in the national football league in terms of the draft and he overcame so many different things. he got his opportunity and took

advantage of his opportunity. and how clutch he is in big moments. that's the person you fear, you know. when the game's on the line with only a minute left, you don't want him to have a football. you think about drew brees, you think about drew brees and how accurate he is and how precise he is with his foot work and just his poise, his leadership. those are the things. >> rose: on a fare down the seven does that normally have to be the pass play or is it pass play 70% of the time. >> maybe even longer. maybe even morning that to be honest with you. >> rose: are you different on third down and seven than you are on first down and ten. >> yes, i think you have to be. it depends on how the game is going, where you were situationally in the game, where you were situationally in terms of on the field too as well. are you backed up, are you in the middle of the field, are you on the fringe, in the middle of the red zone. all those things play big factors. i think our mentality, darrell

bevel and my quarterback coach carl smith we try to play aggressive and we try to have a mentality we're going to attack a defense. but at the same time play to our strength. if we need to run the football with our runningbacks and let them get positive games that's good too. >> rose: you mentioned tom brady wasn't a first round draft choice nor were you. did it disappoint you at the time. >> not pat all. for me where i was chosen i was going to make the other 31 teams regret it. when paul allen our owner and coach carroll called me he said you made the best decision in your life. i'm going to try to change that organization and try to find a way to help us win multiple super9ñwñ=]1m9ñ to win multiple super bowls you have to win the first one first. we did that. you have the formula. you know what it takes on a daily basis and we could always do more. that's the exciting part. that's the part that makes me want to come to work every day. makes me want to just play to the best i can.

>> rose: doing better than the previous game. >> if you can have that mentality to always keep that switch on, i believe, you can change the game. >> rose: when you came to the seahawks you were in a three way competition to be the starting quarterback. >> yes. >> rose: finally, coach carroll pete carroll i guess called you for sort of a one-on-one to shoot around on a basketball court, is that right. >> yes, sir. >> rose: and basically says to you you're my quarterback. give me that conversation. >> i'm competing against jackson. he's with us right now. we're competing and everything. it's been a great battle. both of those guys i have a lot of respect for. but coach carol told one of the equipment guys to come get me in the locker room. it's right before i believe our preseason game. >> rose: you were doing well. >> yes, the preseason. >> rose: you had a good preseason. >> yes, sir. so anyways the equipment guy comes and gets me. hey coach carroll want to see. i start going up the steps and

going to his office. no no wrong way, he's outside. he's outside. it's about that time trying to make the decision who his quarterback is going to be. i go outside and he's going between his legs and shooting hoops. he's the second oldest coach in the national football league i believe it is and it looks like he's 40. he's chewing his gum and going between his legs and shooting threes. i go outside and start talking to him. he's like russ, here catch take a shot. so i take a shot. he says i bet you can't beat me in a three point contest. so i start joke around with him. anyways he starts talking to me and he goes you know, you've done an unbelievable job with your preparation. like i always said the separation of preparation. he said you did unbelievable job with your preparation, your leadership. you've done a good job in the preseason games and i want to left you know i wanted you to be

the starting quarterback for the seattle seahawks and be our franchise quarterback. we believe in you and how you go about your business. my face lit up. the first thought i had was my dad. >> rose: why not you. >> why not me. i knew he was sitting there watching over lake washington as i'm sitting there in washington and he's telling me this. it's just a special -- >> rose: i can imagine you said having listened to you in this situation probably said you made the right choice, you won't be sorry. >> yes, sir. >> rose: is that what you said or something like that. >> yes, sir, something like that. >> rose: so you're the starting quarterback. let me go back now and having talked about the super bowl. growing up in richmond, virginia, your dad died when he was 55. >> yes, sir. >> rose: what was it that he gave you that makes you the man you are today. >> great advice. he was always the great leader in my family. >> rose: he had been a player. >> he always had that work ethic too.

he went to dartmouth college. you think about an african american going to dartmouth college at that age and graduating top of his class. he went to u of a law school. he played football and baseball at dartmouth. he went to u of a law school and he graduated president of his class. then he had an opportunity to play with the chargers. he went and worked out for six weeks and went to go play for the chargers for a short period of time. he ended up getting cut but that's the year they won the super bowl too. he had a super bowl ring before me but it's one of those things i just looked up to him all the time. my mom as well. my mom and dad were the type of people who motivated me in so many great ways. so that's where i learned a lot. and the advice they gave me. >> rose: your mother made a real contribution too. >> yes, definitely. >> rose: was he trying to train you, did he have in the back of his mind you having an athletic career or doing whatever you wanted to do? >> i think my dad definitely believed i could do whatever i wanted to do but i knew he always nudged me to play

football or baseball just because i had the talent. >> rose: what did he see? was it hand eye coordination, was it speed. >> i think hitting the baseball so far as a young kid, swinging a 34 inch bat at a young age just fun having a good old time with it. and throwing the football. i could launch the football. i always had big hands so i could throw the football a long ways. he used to wake me up at 5:30 in the morning. he's disciplined. he used to wake me up at 5:30 in the morning. i'm ten years old, seven years old. until i'm about 17, 16 years old and he's russ, wake up, time to go. and i am, i'm playing sleep the whole time. i finally started to get into the habit of getting up before he got up. i was ready to go and he's hitting the ground balls at short stop. i used to have go routes and out

routes to my brother and dad all the time at a young age. so that discipline was instilled in me but at the same time didn't push me over my limit. he always pushed me to the edge, though. there's a difference between going to the edge and falling off the edge. i think for me and my parents and how they taught me is play to that edge, live to the fullest in terms of your approach in terms of how you want to go about your business but also be smart about it too. so i think that it was always business for me. and i loved sports and all that but when i was about eighth grade or so that's when i really started changing academically too. i was kind one of the students that was always whatever, school homework, i don't care. but my dad used to always tell me, you know, get in the teacher's shorts. what that meant for me was be so close, get to know the teacher so well, study as much as you can to prepare yourself to be great one day. to do something great. and what i want to do, my dream right now and what i want to do one day is to be owner of a

football team or baseball team. i would love to do that. i love to help run a franchise and bring players. >> rose: the way to do that is plan ahead to do that. >> you have to have a plan, organize. you have to understand your purpose. every day. there's a purpose to what i do. and so i think whether it's playing football whether it's graduating three years and going to business school and transferring to wisconsin to go to administration graduate school as well or if it was to play football or baseball. if it was to get up early in the morning and there's no time to sleep. that's real for me. and so for me, i'm trying to learn as much as i can, do as much as i can that's purpose f. >> rose: let's go back to when you made a choice to go to nc state. you also were pursued by duke as well. >> yes, sir. >> rose: and you wanted to play both baseball and football and duke says no, nc state said yes. >> duke actually said yes. nc state said yes. >> rose: even after that. >> u va said no.

several schools said no. >> rose: they're the same conference. >> yes, sir. and university of north carolina was kind of really hesitant towards it. so really came to those two schools, duke and nc -- >> rose: why did you choose nc because of the coach. >> the reason why i chose nc state. i really like duke a lot actually, i visited the campus and met with the coaches. it was a great experience and obviously a great school. a school when people see, you get your papers and you graduate with school papers and all that people are like wow you graduated from duke university. that's a tremendous honor. that was big in my life at the time. still is. but to go to nc state, are i wanted to go to a place that was going to push me athletically too as well. it doesn't matter where i went to school, i knew i was going to do everything i could to be the best at the school i could possibly be. i was going to try, my goal was to graduate in three years. >> rose: and you did. >> so that's what i did and i

promised my dad. it was a blessing that i did because then i could, i was in grad school for a year nc state for business then i could transfer because of the nc rules. >> rose: then you played baseball. >> i went to play baseball for a year. really spring training for a few months. it was a great experience but i signed a deal to play football too. i wanted to go back to nc state and things kind of changed. the coach there told me that they had moved on at the time and so it was one of those things god was looking out for me. >> rose: you went to wisconsin. >> god was growing to put me in the right place at the right time. >> rose: you believe that. >> i do. >> rose: you have a strong sense of faith. >> i really do. just to be a kid or a small kid from richmond, virginia, five 11, you know, 210 pounds playing football and baseball. tremendous blessing but baseball's where i was supposed to be playing. it was one of those things that i was a prototypical second baseman. i was big for a second baseman.

i was fast, i was powerful. i could do a lot of things. >> rose: like derek jeter. >> i wish but it was one of those things that it was the prototypical second baseman but for football, i was uncommon. there's no way this guy can play. when i went to go play baseball i still had this urge, i still had this rush just thinking about playing the game of football. and so i got to go see if i can do it. i know i can do it but just give me an opportunity. and so for me, i believe god spoke to me and said do something uncommon. i want you to do something that everybody tells you can't do. >> rose: that was to be a quarterback even though your father loved it. >> to pursue may dreams and do what i wanted to do, play the game of football and to lead a team. there's nothing like leading your team down the field to a victory a minute and 20 seconds left in the fourth quarter in overtime.

>> rose: i guess so. you watch a lot of films of joe montana. >> i did watch joe montana and all the things he d i'm not really a '49ers fan anymore but i used to be, you know. i have a lot of respect for joe montana, steve young too as well. a lot of great quarterbacks i admire. those two guys, steve young and joe montana were great quarterbacks for sure. >> rose: and certainly under pressure. >> yes, sir. >> rose: certainly when the game was on the line at the end they had to do something in less than two minutes. so you go out and you go to wisconsin have a good year there, make all american. >> yes, sir. >> rose: then you decide, you really want to pursue football as a career and then you get drafted and you go there. how crucial was pete carroll and john snider to what you became and the team became. >> i think they had to pay matt flynn. they brought a guy in.

i think it's understated in terms of the boldness that coach carroll and john snider and paul allen had to go against the grain a little bit and kind of pick a guy that is supposed to be too small. i had all the intangibles and all that and i could make all the throws, i could run around and make plays too as well everybody was kind of nervous to take me. they went against the grain a little bit and chose me and i think that's understated. i think the fact coach carroll gave me a chance and realized that i was going to do whatever it took to prepare myself, first of all, to win football games and to play at a high level. but also to prepare our football team and to bring other guys with me. that's the way you had to do it in the quarterback position. whether it's the quarterback position, playing a point guard or being derek jeter with the new york yankees whether it's

being an entertainer to martin luther king, jr. to being the president of the united states. every great leader brings it with him and they stand for something. that's what they do. >> rose: if you want to be a leader you got to make sure the people are prepared to follow you. >> yes, sir. >> rose: you have to understand what it is and they have to see the quality in you that they believe in. >> yes, sir. >> rose: you do that as a rookie and the rest of it in two years. they saw that in you. i've heard pete carroll talk about this. i did a big interview paul allen did before the super bowl. >> yes, sir. >> rose: here's an owner he done it right. he hired the right people to run the team and he let them run the team and he was always there. on big decisions he wanted to be consulted b they all talk about the fact that what made the decision about you was the thing called an x factor which is what you're talking about. >> yes, sir. >> rose: was this something

you were born with? was this something that you learned because your father instilled it in you or was this something that you saw it was necessary so therefore you have it. >> i definitely believe it's a gift from god first of all. i believe god has given me a special gift to relate to certain people. to be able to change a culture hopefully and to for the positive and to be able to affect many people's lives and to be able to relate to people and just positively influence and help them believe in what they're doing and what they've been given too as well. i also think that my parents continued to instill that in me in a young age with my discipline, my approach, my thought process, my purpose. all those thing that they talked about and all those things, russell, you're a super winning quarterback all those things. at the end of the day like i was trying to say earlier too as well, any great leader also has

this itch, has this self motivator mentality to him, you know. and that's what i try to have. you have to be a self motivator. if you want to be great at anything in life you have to be a self motivator. >> rose: was it your dad who used to ask you questions to see how you answered them. >> yes. he used to ask me questions and get me ready and all that. one of the thing my dad told me too, i remember i was 14 years old. i was driving back from virginia. my grandfather and i were driving back from virginia beach. he was always asking me and i always fall asleep halfway through them. he says russ there's a king in every crowd. what does that mean dad, i'm a 14 year old kid not knowing what that means. this stuck with me. there's a king in every crowd what do you think it mean. >> dad, i don't know, i don't know dad. and he goes there's a king in every crowd. what that means is your faith god's always watching all those things and he's always there for you. with my dad passing away, he's

always i believe he's sitting at met life stadium in super bowl 48 watching over me with the biggest smile in his face. win or lose he's right there with me. you never know what owner's watching you. and your approach to business and your approach to fabling care of the game of football and taking care of your locker room and making sure that everybody's on the same page. all those things are very very important. and then also you never know what kid's watching you. you never know what kid's looking up to you. for me i run my passing academy for kids all across the country. we're going to six different cities this year. we're going to richmond, virginia where i'm from. we're going to raleigh, north carolina. madison wisconsin and university of wisconsin. we're going to seattle twice. then we go to vancouver canada which is going to be international deal which will be really special and we go to los angeles. >> rose: what happens at a passing academy. >> that's the thing that's really unique about us. what we do is it's a one day

event but last year i met over 1500 kids. most of those kids are inner city kids. out of those inner city kids about 82% i believe it was last year, 82% of those inner city kids, and they didn't have a mom or a dad. how could identify affect, if i have 400 plus ages at camp or 500 kids or so. if i can affect just one of those kids and change one of those kids lives they could change a whole culture. they could change the united states. you never know if that kid may become president. i just remember last year when i ran the camp and we have so many different cool things at the camp. we have great nfl players and college players and all that, former nfl players as well. nike sponsors american families is our major big corporate sponsor too as well. microsoft is really big sponsor. and they give us the microsoft surface tablets so those kids can think about their futures and play games and think about

things there. that way it brings the technology side to the whole event too as well and that's really prevalent in today's aegis specially with young kids and how it affected my life. the one thing i'll never forget, last year we're in madison wisconsin standing on the 50 yard line just came back from lunch. this young kid, he's 15 years old, comes up to me and tomas me on the shoulder. he's a great kid but he comes and taps me on the shoulder. we had bussed 200 kids from milwaukee. we bussed 200 kids from the inner city area of milwaukee up to madison. this one kid from milwaukee tomas me on the shoulder and i turn around. i'm standing on the 50 yard line and he says russ russ, can i talk to you for a second. we go over to the side and he starts talking to me. he says i just wanted to let you know, you've changed my life. i had only been with this kid for a few minutes or several hours throughout the day. but he said you changed my life.

you've inspired me. my mom and dad beat me up at home and they're not really there, my dad's always out and my mom's doing drugs and all this kind of stuff. they tell me i won't ever go to school or college if i graduate high school. this is a 15 year old kid, african american kid. he's telling me all these things and getting emotional to be honest with you. i'm getting emotional sitting here talking to you. but he told me if i can tell you one thing russ i just want to say thank you. i thank you for giving me this opportunity to come to the camp. for everything that you've done and all this and all the positive things you've told me. i believe i can be like you one day. i told him i said why not. why not you. >> rose: it's an amazing story and it suggests one more time the power of example to inspire people to believe what they can accomplish and to give them inspiration that they can overcome a whole range of obstacles out to there and it

also suggests how lucky you were to have a father like you have to help you see the way and to train you. i know that everything you had done just listening, he's always there on your shoulder. >> my mom and my dad have been so supportive of me. >> rose: pleasure to have you here. >> thank you so much. it's an honor to be on your show. i love watching you so it is really a pleasure to be with you today. >> rose: russell wilson the winning quarterback for the seattle seahawks super bowl 48. thank you for joining us, see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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