>> charlie: welcome to the program. from washington tonight, the future of technology with masayoshi son, one of the leading investors in the world. >> if i can help bringing information revolution to mankind, i don't have to do everything. i can bring everybody else's product. i can bring the infrastructure. >> charlie: you can bring the roadway, they come. >> yeah. i don't have to create the finale. i can create a highway for all the beautiful automobiles. i can create a toll gate. i can create the entire ecosystem for the automobile revolution. so that is what i am trying to do. i am bringingñi information

revolution. but for these internet devices, the highway its isself a itselfn infrastí it is a big problem. >> charlie: and we conclude with catherine deneuve and her new film, "on my way." [ speaking french ]ñi >> i must say that for the recent years, i have been very lucky with the people i have been working with, people have been wanting to work with me. which is difficult for an actress to be, when you're over 30, not as muc as much in amerit to have an important part in a film. >> charlie: masayoshi son and catherine deneuve when we continue.

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from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: masayoshi son is here, ma founder and c.e.o. andi chairman of softbank corporation. estimated his net worth at $18.4 billion, that makes him the richest man in japan. i am pleased to have him here at this table for the first time. welcome. good to have you on the program. >> thank you very much. >> charlie: you're going to speak to the u.s. chamber of commerce this week in washington. >> yes. >> charlie: what are you going to tell them about the wireless revolution? >> well, i would say that mobile internet, the internet highway is the most important infrastructure for the 21s 21st century. to me, it is so clear than any

other infrastructure that's more importantñi for 21st century. however, the u.s. is number 15 in theñr world. outñi of 16, number 15. >> charlie: in terms of what measurement? >> speed. >> charlie: speed. yes, lte speed. so the only company they beat is the philippines. >> charlie: they didn't beat south korea or japan? >> no, no. many other countries, the u.s. was beaten. so is it good enough situation for the 21st century, the most important infrastructure, the u.s. is lagging behind? and the u.s. has been number one for infrastructure almost for anything in the 20t 20th century -- automobile, the electricity, the television -- almost everything. >> charlie: and you believe that is because two carriers --

verizon and at&t -- have more than 60% of the market. >> yeah, more than 75% and almost 80% in the corporate market. >> charlie: and they are stifling innovation, in your judgment? >> they are happy where they are. they make a ton of money and free cash for dividends back to the shareholders, so they are very comfortable where they are, which i don't blame them. if i were in their shoes, you know, i would be happy. but because they're in such a happy position without facing a real competition from some strong enough challenger, they can relax. >> charlie: okay. so you bought sprint. >> yes. >> charlie: a carrier. yes. >> charlie: and now you want to buy t-mobile. >> if we could, but we have not agreed -- >> charlie: you haven't made an agreement with t-mobile?

>> no. >> charlie: what are your chances? >> i don't know. we have to give it a shot. >> charlie: is it money or is it something else? >> well, i'm not here to talk about any details of that situation. >> charlie: why not? (laughter) >> well, look, you know, we have to -- >> charlie: you have to make a deal. 1 >> yeah, we would like to make a deal happen, but there are steps and details that we have to work out. >> charlie: tom wheeler is chairman of the th f.c.c. and he suggested he wants to make surei there's competition in the market so he's not in favor of mergers between spinet and t-mobile and you own sprint, so therefor, you would have a huge position in the american market. >> yeah. well, look, you know, there's two big businesses and they take more than 100% of industr theñi.

so here comes the two little ones who are not able to fight. so i think that's not good and something needs to be changed. >> charlie: if somebody could make a deal and had sprint and then t-mobile, what would you be able to do as a carrier in the united states? >> well, look, we need a certain scale, but once we have enough scale to have a level fight, okay -- it's a three heavyweight fight -- >> charlie: well, you like that, don't you? >> yeah, i would like to have the real fight, not the pseudofight. i would like to have the real fight. if i can have a real fight, i have a price war. >> charlie: that's your pattern, when you get a

stakehold, you undersell everybody. >> yes. >> charlie: you're willing to postpone profits in order to gain market share? >> exactly. i want to be number one, right? so if we're number three and we had enough chance, i want to be number one. so i would go, you know, price competition, you know, very much aggressively and network competitionê world's best network. i told you, now, u.s. is number 15 out of 16. >> charlie: yes. i'm ashamed of that. i'm not here to criticize the u.s. situation, i'm here to say i now own a part of the responsibility and i would like to provide u.s. citizens the world's number one network. >> charlie: let me go back to japan. what was it like growing up in japan, the son of korean and chinese ancestors? >> it's not easy, it's not easy.

japan is a homogenerous race country. >> charlie: yes. one culture with one race. so if you are considered an outsider, it's not easy. but nowadays, i speak up enough so peopleñr know that i am, you know, just myself. >> charlie: and then, at 16, you sam came to san francisco. >> yes is. >.>> charlie: made your way to berkeley, and then graduated. what did you want to do when you got out of berkeley? >> well, i wanted to start my own company. so when i was a student at berkeley at 19 years old, i already start a small company and made the first electronic dictionary. >> charlie: yeah, a pocket dictionary first. >> yeah, pocket -- >> charlie: translator and dictionary. >> yes. >> charlie: and soldt it?

>> to schwab to $1.7 million. for a kid, not bad. >> charlie: not bad. did a game project that made me another $1.5 million. so i got a little over $13 million when i was 19. that was good capital for myself. >> charlie: yes. i never used venture capital. >> charlie: you never raised money yourself. that's better. the fewer partners you have, the better off you are. >> well, if you can succeed. >> charlie: if you can get by without their capital. >> yeah. >> charlie: when did you go back to japan? >> right after i graduated, i went back to japan, because i promised my mother that as soon as i finished my college, i would be back to japan. so i kept my word. >> charlie: and then you began your march to where you are today. >> yes. >> charlie: you seem to have done it by twoñi things. not only your own company, but investing in other companies. i mean, you've had a keen eye

for what might be a successful investment. >> yes. >> charlie:ñr yahoo japan. yes. >> charlie: ally ba ba, which will be a huge payday for you, one of the largest ipos around. >> yeah, we are lucky. >> charlie: yeah. you need luck once in a while. >> charlie: yeah. your heros wereñr mr. honda and mr. morita. >> yes. >> charlie: you like them because? >> they have a passion, they have a vision and they are founders, you know, of a huge brand because they are pioneers, you know. they pioneered the electronic industry, they pioneered the automobile industry in japan, fighting with incumbents, not helped by the government but helped themselves. >> charlie: you admire bill gates and steve jobs a lot.

steve jobs you thought was what? >> leonardo da vinci. >> charlie: leonardo da vinci. >> yes, with the art and technology combined. >> charlie: the design and engineering, he saw with johnny ives, understood how to do that. >> yes. >> charlie: and 500 years later, people could compare steve jobs with da vinci, that's my view. >> charlie: and when he went looking for somebody -- a carrier in japan for his iphone, you said, me! >> yeah. that was two years before he introduced iphone. >> charlie: yes. so i said, you know, if i would enter into the mobile business, the mobile carrier business, i need a weapon. who can create the best weapon in the world? only one guy, steve jobs. >> charlie: did you call him up or go see him? >> i called him up and went to see him, and i brought my little drawing of the ipod in a mobile

capability. >> charlie: yes. and i gave him my drawing and steve says, masa, you don't give me this, i have my own. >> charlie: don't need your drawing, masa. >> yeah (laughter) i said, well, i don't need to give you my paper, but once you have your own product, give me for japan. >> charlie: yes. and he said, well, masa, you are crazy, you know. we've not talked to anybody, but you came to see me as the first guy, i give to you. >> charlie: is that right? yeah. >> charlie: so you walked away with -- as the carrier in japan that would be affiliated with the iphone? >> right, before i acquired it for japan.

i said if you can give me exclusively for the japanese market, that will be fantastic. i said, write it down. (laughter) he said, no, masa, i'm not going to sign for you because you don't even own a mobile carrier yet! (laughter) i said, well, steve, you give me your word, i bring a carrier for japan. >> charlie: and you did. and i did. i spent $20 billion. >> charlie: there was some concern as to whether the japanese consumer would like the iphone. they had their own. why did you think it would? >> well, it's the industry, technology's direction, right? >> charlie: yeah. because, before iphone, most of the handsets were just the crappy, you know, handmade software without operating system so that not so m yo manyu

know, standard application software could come as a platform. like a pc, you know. this is the internet device that you can carry around. so it's not a mobile phone, it's an internet deviolation. intern. that's my view. he's the only guy that could create a device with an operating system so it would be a platform for every application for the internet. >> charlie: and you know bill gates and admire bill gates. >> very much. both are my heros. >> charlie: why do you think bill gates missed so much? >> he had a touch of fantastic success. >> charlie: with the operating system. >> with the operating system for the pc. >> charlie: right. and when you are so successful in one thing, you have something to protect. >> charlie: yeah. right? so it's very difficult to

cannibalize. and he was retiring from the company. he no longer had the passion to go on to the next thing. >> charlie: he had other things he wanted to do in terms of philanthropy. >> right. >> charlie: someone once said to me about steve that, unlike others, he saw everything with a beginner's eye. he saw it with a freshness so that he would start from the beginning so, therefore, he wasn't incouplerred by the way it had been. >> he didn't carry anybody else's idea. he had to create himself from the, you know, pure eye of not the past, for the future. >> charlie: yeah. so that's what i admire the most, and he had tremendous focus. >> charlie: but are you more the financial guy who with understands -- guy who understands how to make a deal but also understands how to find the companies that you want to make a deal about rather than being a creative guy?

>> well, you know, if steve is technology. >> charlie: yes. i amphinance and technology. >> charlie: no art there. i love art but i'm not the artist for the industry. but to me, what's more important is information revolution. that's more important, to create a new lifestyle for mankind, okay? if i can help, you know, bringing the information revolution to mankind, i don't have the do everything. you know, i can bring everybody else's talent. i can bring the infrastructure -- >> charlie: you bring the roadway that they come. >> yeah. i don't have to create the ferrari or the hyundai.

i can create the highway for all the beautiful automobiles. i can create the toll gate and the entire ecosystem for the automobile revolution. so that is what i am trying to do. i am bringing the information revolution. but for these internet devices, the highway itself as an infrastructure is not good enough. that is a big problem. that was a big problem for japan, so i challenged ntt because ntt had 99% market share for japanese information highway. >> charlie: when you challenged them, did they give you some fiber lines or something? >> yeah, i asked the government to deregulate, unbundle of the copper and finer against the services. >> charlie: right. okay. >> charlie: yeah. so if you want to create an information revolution and want to create an information highway, you need a lot of

capital. that requires a lot of finance. okay. so money is not the most important thing to me, but money is required to invest tens of billions of dollars. >> charlie: let's talk about the landscape. my impression is you want to be the biggest in the world, period. >> that's my wish. >> charlie: that's your wish. okay. fair enough. there are also people who believe -- you know, google is laying a lot of fiber in the united states. they want to provide the highways, too. the infrastructure, right? >> yeah. >> charlie: they have designated markets. there is also comcast, now buying time warner. john malone wanted to be part of that. who knows, maybe comcast will buy john malone's company. is it going to be the telecos or the cable companies? >> that's a very good question. this is a very capital-intensive

industry and emerging from the wireline broadband information highway and the wireless information highway, right -- >> charlie: right. -- and guess what? this kind of device can get connected with a backhoe of wireland or wireless broadband. either way, the ipad. so what people care is how the ipad or iphone can function smoothly -- >> charlie: and fast. -- fast, right? so, in the past, only broadband could provide high-speed internet for this kind of device, but now wireless is becoming very powerful. >> charlie: and that's the revolution there, what wireless is able to do without the fiber being down. >> right. >> charlie: and, therefore, that raises the question, too, of the velocity of wireless and how good it is because, i mean, you've complained about the

carriers here in terms of -- not only are they not innovative but you say they have faulty systems. >> yes. very, very slow network, and it gets disconnected, right, all the time, and it's poor quality. it's just a poor quality. and i think there is a way to fix it. >> charlie: how would you fix it? >> well, first, i need a scale. >> charlie: a scale? a scale of a company, a scale of subscriber, of a network. >> charlie: you have to have enough size to compete with the big boys? >> right. i have i need to become a heavyweight, right? >> charlie: right. it's a heavyweight fight. >> charlie: right. i cannot be tiny. >> charlie: that won't work. they are squish you. >> and ignore us, so they can stay comfortable and be fat. so i want to make them fight back so they also become muscle

instead of fat, which is good for you. >> charlie: that's called competition. >> yes, that's good for the united states. but i will not show them our technology which we have, which is much, must hav much faster s. up to 200 megabyte per second. much faster. we have the technology. >> charlie: your wireless is faster than fixed-line broadband? >> yes. we already have the demonstration in tokyo. >> charlie: tokyo is fast. yes. i can do that in the states, also. >> charlie: seoul is fast. yes. >> charlie: where is it the fasters in the world, japan and south korea? >> yeah. australia to some extent, but not enough users. so, actually, with a crowd of users, japan and seoul is the top two. >> charlie: you also now have this battle, this giant battle between operating systems -- android and apple.

>> yes. >> charlie: which is better? well, apple is like a ferrari. >> charlie: a ferrari. yeah. for high-end users, it's beautiful. it's good. >> charlie: right. actually, many users, also. android is more general. for many other countries who can not afford a high-end product, android is more variety. so most of them have good features. >> charlie: so one is not better than the other, depends on what they can do for particular kinds of customers? >> right. >> charlie: because samsung is serious about this. >> yes. >> charlie: what do you think of samsung? >> well, samsung is a great company, a great company. >> charlie: yeah. they're going to succeed. they're going to continue to grow. >> charlie: how did they do it? >> well, they have so many

techology depths from the semiconductor to the lcd display and all these things. they have total technology, so that's -- and they have the passion to make success. >> charlie: take me back to the.com bust. what happened to you? >> well, i was surprised and one time we -- i was for three days richer than bill gates. >> charlie: three days? for three days. technically. >> charlie: but you were there for three days. >> yeah. >> charlie: did you tell everybody when you were the richest man in the world? >> i did. it was special (laughter) >> charlie: here i am! i'm the richest guy in the world! >> before i said it, i was surprised. >> charlie: well, you got a chance to tell them before it was over. >> yeah. (laughter) for three days we were

$200 billion. >> charlie: for three days, 200 billion. >> yeah. >> charlie: in market cap. and then came the crash. what were you at the bottom? >> $2 billion. >> charlie: from 200 to 2. yeah, 99% in one year? and your net worth went to what. >> from $70 billion to $600 million. >> charlie: really? yeah. >> charlie: did you have any doubt that you could come back? >> well, i had a confidence, you know. overshoot and overshoot down. so i had a confidence that some day it would normalize because our number of users kept on growing, our profit kept on growing, so it's overreaction, either up or down, so it will normalize over time. that was my belief. and the internet will continue to grow. so as long as internet users continue to grow, the traffic continues to grow, it will come

back. that was my -- >> charlie: yeah. someone said to me the other day, google is going to be the biggest company in the world, mark my word. are they right? >> there is a good possibility for that. a good possibility for that. but, you know, when ibm started growing, people said ibm. >> charlie: yeah. then when microsoft was growing -- >> charlie: they said microsoft. >> microsoft forever. now google has that kind of position. who knows, 30 years later, okay, 30 years later and 300 years later, what's going to happen? >> charlie: you know what they call that, as you well know -- disrupted technologies. >> they are definitely disrupted. smart people, great engineers and great vision. so they are one of the most capable companies.

that's no question. >> charlie: google. google, no question. i have high respect for them. but, you know, as i said, technology evolves and no one technology continues to grow 300 years. >> charlie: apple still has tim cook, eddie, johnny and others. >> they have great company, also. >> charlie: hasn't changed. no, a great company. >> charlie: they were really running it while steve was sick, too. >> yeah, they have a great company. those two companies, high respect. of course, amazon and, you know, facebook. >> charlie: jeff likes to get market share like you. >> right. >> charlie: he's willing to cut prices to get market share. >> right. very smart, very, very long-time view. >> charlie: what did you think of the facebook acquisition by apple? >> very smart. >> charlie: so you would have

paid 16 billion, too, if you had facebook's 1.2 billion users? >> yes, i would have no doubt for one moment. >> charlie: what's your negotiating philosophy about things like this? if you can figure out it's worth it, then get it. if you have to pay the top price and outbid everybody es, if you can see the potential, just do it. >> yeah. because i'm looking at the future, not the past. not the present. in ten years, in 20 years, what can we do if we, you know, get more power. >> charlie: so here's what they say about you, too -- they say not only that you want to be the wireless infrastructure and have the world's biggest carrier, but you also want to be in content. >> content, application, those are the fruits and the flowers on the basis of the platform.

so we want to provide the platform, which is the infrastructure, and then we want to help grow those bunch of different flowers and fruits. that's our view. so it's like, you know, john malone's cable company with liberty media. >> charlie: video is where the world is, too, with wireless. you can see and do everything with enormous power. >> right. >> charlie: it's not just the internet. you're interested in solar. you're interested in wind. you're looking at those as future technologies that will change the world. >> yeah. well, that was not my initial interest at all. it came only because of the break three years ago and without electricity, the internet doesn't work, the communication doesn't work.

and all the japanese people are suffering. >> charlie: and what did you decide about nuclear as a result of that? >> i don't believe nuclear is a long-time solution. i'm against it. >> charlie: you are? that's why i'm trying to provide alternative solutions. >> charlie: it's not just a business decision, you think it's in the best interest of japan. >> of the people. the people of japan and for the world. >> charlie: what do you think of your prime minister? >> welwell, he's a smart guy. i don't agree with everything he's doing. >> charlie: what don't you agree? >> don't put me in that position. i don't want to have trouble back in japan if i comment on that question (laughter) >> charlie: but you think he's too nationalistic? >> well, he can be much more, you know -- how do you say --

balanced. >> charlie: than he is? yeah. >> charlie: you would like to see him more balanced? >> i would hope he would have -- at least people would see him in much more balance. >> charlie: yeah. at least he's not perceived as the balanced situation. that is no good for him, no good for the country. >> charlie: we live in a global world, but do differences in culture matter? >> for me, the internet is already connected worldwide, right? so the politics, the government divides -- you know, the barriers between the countries. but there is no boundary. we can travel around the world in less than one second, okay. so people can communicate with each other, meet face to face

over the internet instantaneously, so the world will be much more at peace when we forget about all these frictions and so on. >> charlie: what else are you interested in that i don't know about? >> well, to me, the revolution is the only thing that i put my life -- this is the only thing that i'm so excited about. you know, mankind hd the agriculture revolution, the industrial revolution, and then this is the third one, the information revolution, and that is not the small subject. this is a subject that will last the next 300 years. that's why, you know, i say we have a 300-year vision that we want to focus this information revolution and the technology evolves. as i said, i don't care what

technology, i don't care if this technology is invented by us or our employees, i don't care. i want to bring everybody's innovation, bring into our ecosystem, you know, together. so many american companies are interested in one brand, one business, to conquer all over the world, okay. i'm not that kind of guy. i believe in partners. we have many inventors. in my view, investing into the entrepreneurs, you know, help them grow their passion in their way, you know. this passion, that passion. you know, if i can assist to all these exciting entrepreneurs, you know, come up with great technology or services, i will be more than happy, you know. i don't feed to be a hero. i would rather them be a hero in the total oa total ecosystem we.

that's my 300-year vision. i don't depend on one product or vision or brand. i would rather be a silicon valley. they are my problem, of course, but what i am interested in creating, it were silicon valley, all the passion, all the things happening, so i want to create a virtual silicon valley in this softbank group, families, that our many brands come and bring synergies. >> charlie: and they will all be entrepreneurs and bring in new ideas. >> yes. >> charlie: and you will get in social media as well? >> one way or theou the other. >> charlie: thank you for coming, masa. good to see you. >> thank you very much. >> charlie: catherine deneuve is here, an icon in film. her work spanned over five

decades. her latest film is "on my way." she plays a former beauty queen betrayed by her boyfriend and decides to take a road trip. here is the trailer. >> bettie always lived by the rules. until her world fell apart. now, after a lifetime of regret, she's hitting the road. she's taking a chance. [ speaking french ] >> and she's got one unexpected

passenger. this spring, catherine deneuve stars in a film about freedom. [ speaking french ] family. and how it's never too late to discover yourself.

catherine deneuve in a new film by emmanuelle bercot. "on my way." [ speaking french ] >> charlie: i am pleased to have catherine deneuve back at this table. welcome. >> hello. >> charlie: is this something you would like to g do, get in a mercedes and drive out of paris and go? >> i think everybody has the same thing of sort of taking the car and going away for a few hours. actually, in the film, she doesn't really want to leave everything, she just thinks for a few hours because she goes without anything. but i suppose, yes, at one time, it's enough, i go. but you don't have very often the opportunity to do it because of response snoobilities oh, but you could do it if you wanted

to. you could take off a few weeks. >> i could take off but i don't imagine to take off without saying anything to anyone, you know, because when you have friends and family, most of all, there is so much responsibility. >> charlie: tell me how you see bettie. >> i see bettie as a sort of very young at heart, maybe too young at heart. she's always been quite responsible. actually, she's running the rest restaurant her parents had in this little town in this country of brittany and she's been trying to survive and do things and maintain a certain level of the place where she's working with her mother being still there. she lives with her mother. she has a daughter of a certain age that she doesn't get along very well with. so she's struggling.

and all of a sudden she says, well, that's enough, and she decides to go. >> charlie: yeah, but she had an affair with a married man who decides to abandon her for a younger woman. >> yeah, we learned she had an affair with a man who was married, after she was widowed a long time. like very often married men say they're going to leave their wife and they don't, and if they do it's not for the woman they were living with. >> charlie: yeah. but she's quite brave. >> charlie: how so? because she decides to go and do what people very often would hike to do and don't do, just to go. >> charlie: emmanuelle bercot says that she wrote this character with you in mind. >> yes, because i had met her before. you know, she's a very good actress, also. >> charlie: right. and i had met her and had

seen the film she had been doing before, and i liked them very much. so we met and we said that we would like to do a film together. but as she writes films, you know, it took her time before she found the right story. and she give me the script to read, the first version, which i liked. >> charlie: i love the name of the grandson charly. >> yes. >> charlie: spelled charly. yes. >> charlie: and how he changes you is interesting, his impact on you or bettie. >> yes, absolutely, because children are very frank, and this little boy has a mother who's not always there, with a difficult life, so she's struggling a lot, the daughter. so i suppose the boy must have been alone quite often and is quite mature and he says what he has to say. he's very open. and she has to -- she doesn't

know him too well because she didn't see her grandson very often and she has to discover this little boy, this little man, and to have to do what she promised her daughter, finally, to do, to bring him to his grandfather for the holidays. and all of a sudden, they don't know each other, and they have a very private independent masseyn the two of them and it's very complicated. >> charlie: we want to see some of this. let's see the third clip. [

>> i like that scene. i like the little boy. he's the son of the director. >> charlie: that's emmanuelle's son. >> yeah. >> charlie: and does he want to be an actor? >> yes. >> charlie: he is an actor. she an actor. he's in a special school where he does his studies. he wants to be in musicals more than anything. he loves to sing. >> charlie: how would you describe the relationship between bettie and her daughter? >> very conflicted. >> charlie: yeah. i suppose they didn't get along and i suppose the daughter has a strong character as well and she wanted probably you know to live her life and to live her life on her own. she has a lot of problems to -- >> charlie: if someone asked

you what's the theme of this film, what would you say? >> it's the discovery of -- >> charlie: your life? of your life and the life of people because you discover people she probably never met, you know, nobody ever meets when you go around in a car and you stop anywhere and meet anyone. so it's a discovery, a little part of france -- >> charlie: that's what makes it interesting. you see in this film a portion of france as well. >> yes, you grab little scenes like that and discover characters that you're going to see for a little while, then she goes off and goes somewhere else, and she prepares very well. it's very difficult to work like that. a lot of people in the film are not professional actors, so she had to prepare very well. even if people were not acting, she had the script and wanted the lines to be said. it was not improvised at all, or very little. >> charlie: so she had non-actors doing a script she

had written? >> absolutely, she had a lot of non-professional actors. the man i met at the club. >> charlie: yes. he was not a professional, you know. >> charlie: and how did he do? did he do all right? >> very well, actually. he's doing another phili film n. >> charlie: is that right? he says, i can see you were very beautiful when you were young. >> yes. >> charlie: how did she take that, as a compliment or -- >> sort of a compliment. but it's not that he wants to tell her -- he's attracted to her but he imagined what she would have been if she was 25 years younger, i suppose. >> charlie: tell me if this true. you seem to be totally comfortable with how old you are and the life you have. >> i wish the life i have, yes, i think i can assume that. and comfortable with my age, most of the time, yes, i think so. >> charlie: i mean, in other words -- >> not all the time.

it's not that easy when you're an actress. but it's not a major problem for me. >> charlie: my impression, having known you for a number of years, is you know who you are, you're comfortable with who you are, and you suffer no fools. >> i think it's true. you know, i sort of am quite realistic. it's not that i love myself or like myself -- >> charlie: but you're comfortable. >> i'm comfortable because i don't think i cheat with myself, yeah. >> charlie: this is what richard brody said about you. when she was very young, she seemed old beyond her years. i think this is true. now she seems more youthful and spontaneous than most people her age. >> ah. >> charlie: that's true. both those things are true. >> because i think i was very shy when i was young. >> charlie: ah. so i suppose i was very much behind the scenes. >> charlie: a bit aloof because you were shy? >> exactly. people could see i was very secure but it was exactly the

opposite. and today, i feel -- i'm quite aware of, you know, what's going on. >> charlie: yeah. i know you are. but you can work as much as you want to. i mean, you're doing lots of films, are you not? >> yes, i am. >> charlie: you work as much as you want to? >> yes, i must say, for the recent years, i have been very lucky with people i have been working with, or people wanting to work with me, which is difficult, you know, for an actress to be, when you're not 30. i mean, not as much as in america but, still, to have a major, important part in a film. sometimes i do smaller parts, but because i think they're interesting, it's better to have one big part that's average, i'd rather do a smaller part and the part is interesting even if it's short. >> charlie: and emmanuelle both as a director and actress -- have you ever wanted

to direct? >> no. >> charlie: you didn't love filmmaking so much that you said, i've learned something, worked with great people -- >> yeah, i know what it is to be a great director. i've seen the difference, and i wouldn't think of being just a director. and i don't think it's the same -- it's not the same approach. i don+ think i could stand to have to make the decisions all the time, you know, and also because i don't carry myself a story i would like to put on the screen, and i think some actors should ask twice before they do that. but i would like to be the interpreter, yes, for the director, for the film. >> charlie: and you see yourself as literally in partnership -- >> yes, partnership. >> charlie: -- with the director and the screen writer. >> yes. it coven the same, the directors write mostly -- the biggest part of the script themselves. >> charlie: do you think there's a difference in terms of how directors direct in france

and how they direct, say, in hollywood? >> there is more freedom in france. >> charlie: yes. they have the final cut. but i think in america, some directors have the final cut. >> charlie: in stephen speilberg. >> but he's his own producer. >> charlie: exactly. but i wondered if some directors didn't have the final cut even if they were not producing the film themselves, no. still the final cut for producing. >> reporter: i think most of the time but i think it depends on the director and the track record both in terms of art and commerce, you know. >> well, i suppose there is more freedom, yes, for directors in europe, yes. >> charlie: if you had to change anything, what would you change about your career, about the life you've lived? >> maybe i would have liked to do more english-speaking films so it would be more open, you know, to carry after -- it's not

so much to do american films, but to do an english-speaking film, it's a very good opportunity for an actress to be in foreign films and very good for the mind to work with people from other countries. >> charlie: i agree totally with that, too. why didn't you? >> because i suppose the parts i was offered in french at the time were more interesting. >> charlie: so you stayed there because there were more interesting roles than you were receiving from hollywood? >> exactly, yeah. >> charlie: how is french cinema doing? >> i think, like, a lot of things in europe, it's struggling a little. >> charlie: because of the economic circumstances? >> because of the economic situation, not only in france. i mean, i think it's worse even in spain and italy than in france. but we have, as you know, the cultural exception in france that gives help to also for

french cinema. so maybe a little less are being done, but i think we do too many films in france. >> charlie: too many? i think there are too many films are shot every year, yes. >> charlie: meaning, there should be more or less films and better films? >> well, better than before because sometimes you have very good surprises with very little films. what i mean is very so many films that are released, it is so difficult, and if the film doesn't fulfill in the first week what the producer is expecting, you go smaller, less people. the films are very short and that's the problem. >> charlie: what's happened here is television has gotten so good. >> in france, too. >> charlie: so the kinds of roles and characters you can develop because you have many hours to do it. >> yes. also, i had american actors saying they had more interesting scripts from television. >> charlie: absolutely! especially for the short

series. >> charlie: and especially for more adult films. >> and you can afford to develop stories on television you couldn't do in añr film becausef the cost of films and you have to really think all the time that you must get a result, you know, if you are doing a film on a certain budget and cinema is more expensive than television. >> charlie: so what do you think of your president? >> what do i think of him. >> charlie: yes. well, i think he's our president and, actually, i think he's not respected well enough, i think, in france, and i'm very surprised that we have a lot of freedom of press -- actually, here, too -- but i'm very surprised by the tone sometimes that french journalists, you know, talk about him. >> charlie: or his affairs. well, his affairs, his private life. and in france, we are very -- >> charlie: it's changed, though, used to be it wasn't a topic. this was a big topic in france. >> because it was a surprise for

everybody. nobody knew he was in that difficult private life. so, but, to me, that's really a second -- i mean, it's been all over the place for a while, which is normal, because it was quite a spies and especially nobody expectedñiñ that from a man like him, which means nobody really knows him. >> charlie: yes. but i think the press is not very polite. i think it should be something a little more -- because i think he's struggling very well and doing something nobody's done for soñi many years. because the situation of france, actually, is the situation we have been living with for 15 years, so -- >> charlie: the circumstances. the major problem is the economics. >> charlie: yeah. and he's doing what should have been done a long time ago, so he cannot be loved by people -- >> charlie: does that mean you're more conservative than i miff imagined because you believe the french leadership should change thelatio the relap between the state and -- >> no, i don't think i'm

conservative. i think there should be more respect. i think the press doesn't respect the rule of ethics in what they're supposed to or not supposed to write. i'm very surprised of the sortñr of outreach of the news -- the journalists and especially on the cover of serious magazines for a few months against him -- against him personally. >> charlie: yeah. and meaning that it bleeds intoi his policy? in other words, the personal qualities somehow get connected to the policy. >> yeah, and there is less respect that we ever had, you know, for a president in what you read in an everyday nrpz. i'm surprised by that. it's very, very difficult, what he has to do. i don't care he cares that much to be loved. >> charlie: blue is the

warmest color of the film. did you see it? >> yes. >> charlie: did you like it? very much. >> charlie: i did, too. i liked it a lot. >> i think it's a great film. >> charlie: yeah, i did, too. i was disappointed in france it didn't get anything, the film. i was very surprised. it's a shame it was not for the oscar because it was sort of thing for a few days or a week. >> charlie: the young actress was here. >> she's wonderful. >> charlie: she was! she's wonderful. real, human -- >> charming, touching, and very good in the film. >> charlie: absolutely, yeah. she's a wonderful actress, yeah. >> charlie: a lot of filmmakers you work with, who had the most influence? >> maybe andre. >> charlie: really? yes, because the time we have been working. >> charlie: how many films. five or six. i have been knowing him very

close. we go out to dinner together. we are very close. >> charlie: who else? manuel? because you were young? >> no, because we didn't talk that much, so i would say polanski, probably. >> charlie: yeah. because i love actors and they love to explain. when you're a young actress, it's very important to have people very concerned by actresses, you know, to sort of explain and to teach you in a way what it is to be on screen, which is something else than acting. >> charlie: 14 years ago, you told me you wanted to do more comedy. have you a chance to do more comedy? >> yes. actually, this film is more. >> charlie: the character. yes. and i did a film called patish which is a comedy. but it's hard to find in france a film for comedies. >> charlie: thank you very much. good to see you. >> thank you.

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