>> rose: welcome to the pro. tonight, russia's ambassador to the united nations vitaly churkin and his assessment on the crises in ukraine. >> as you said correctly out of the picture now. but ukraine including the eastern and southeastern regions of ukraine which are very restive because of what they see in kiev. they should discuss a new constitution. maybe federalize ukraine. after all the russian federation, the united states is a federation, why can't ukraine be a federation where people would be sure of their rights and be sure they can use the russian language, where they can be sure they can elect their own governors. this is a proposal to ukraineians and our western colleagues. the way to stabilize the political situation in ukraine. >> rose: after my interview

with ambassador churkin and he left the building i talked with him by phone where the security and cooperation of europe announced it will deploy a special monitoring mission of international observers to ukraine. the osce member states agreed after russia dropped its objections, the united states supported the move. the observers will initially number around 100 people and maker them to 400. ambassador churkin said this may well be the solution to the crises. we now turn to the ted conference and a conversation with the co-founder of google and the present ceo, larry page. >> our mission a long time ago was to organize the world information and making the universe accessible and useful. people always say, is that really what you guys are still doing. i'm gng to think about that and i'm not quite sure. actually, when i think about

search, it's such a neat thing for all of us, to really understand what you want, to understand the information. and we're still very much in the early stages of that which is totally crazy. i've been at it for 15 years already but it's not at all done. >> rose: vitaly churkin and larry page when we continue.

captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: taly churkin is here he's russia's ambassador to the united nations. today putin ratified the parliament's treaty to formally annex crimea. the eu and the united states have responded by expanding sanctions on high ranking russian officials. president putin's spokesperson said that the sanctions will not go unnoticed. in ukraine the new government signed an association agreement with the european union for

closer economic ties. it is the same agreement that former ukraine president viktor yanukovych refused to sign triggering protest in november. i am pleased to have vitaly churkin back at this table. >> thank you. >> rose: tell me how ricia sees the -- russia sees the aexing of crimea. >> after forced separation crimea and russia have been finally reunified, something which has been the agreement of the people on the crimea all those years. you remember that crimea has been part of russia for centuries and then 60 years ago arbitrary nikita khrushchev transferred it to the ukraine. there was a lot of grumbling and satisfaction but at least crimea stayed within the same country,

the union of socialist republic. they tried to adopt a certain itution giving crimea a lot of autonomy. but the authorities in kiev changed that constitution leaving a limited autonomy to crimea. so in a situation which developed quite unexpectedly after the coup which happened in february and no legal authority mained in kiev, and the situation where crimea felt threatened by those who conducted this violent coup in kiev, they went ahead and declared their own independence, they conducted referendum where people overwhelmingly voted for joining russia. and russia could not but take up the challenge and incorporate crimea back into russia. >> rose: what i would like to know is what else does the russian government want? do you want to take over ukraine, do you want to take over the government in kiev? >> no. >> rose: what are your

intentions beyond this? because most people on this program suggest at that time crimea is prettych gone as far as its previous relationship. they seem to accept that. i'm not sure if the u.s. government accepts that but most people who are analysts do. so the question is what else does president putin want? >> now want the situation to be stabilized. we have our western colleagues including united states asked us for our views about that. and we produced a paper which actually is based on the agreement which was signed by yanukovych and the opposition before yanukovych was forced to flee and co-signed by france germany and poland. the key, the core element of that agreement is need for constitional reform and constitutional dialogue. so our idea for stabilizing the political situation in ukraine is there should be a constitutional process involving all the regions. maybe convening the constitutional assembly. and to put it --

>> rose: meaning. >> meaning east, west and all the regions of ukraine. of course crimea as you put, as you said correctly is out of the picture now but all the region in the ukraine including the eastern and south earn regions of ukraine which are restive because of what they see in kiev, they should discuss a new constitution. maybe fed rate ukraine, russia is a federation, yew cane cannot be a federation where people would be sure of their rights and be sure they can use the russian language, where they can be sure they elect their own governors. this is our view, this is our proposal to ukrainians and our western colleagues. the way to stabilize the political situation in ukraine. >> rose: ukraine has a very good relationship with the european union and the west as well as good relationship with russia. would that be a good thing. >> absolutely. yes. this is what i've been saying. >> rose: that's what ever said. the united states says we

respect and chancellor merkel says we respect the great relationship between russia and ukraine. we understand the connection between the two and we respe that. there's a special relationship. however, ukraine is an independent state and the russians should leave it alone and not try to do to ukraine what they did to crimea. >> if we leave them alone, speaking in general terms, if we leave them alone, they will collapse because 3 million ukrainians work in russia and $3 billion every year to support their family which is a very sizeable part of the gross domestic product. but this was entirely our pitch to the ukrainians and the europeans when the crises was developing, when they were pushing that association agreement. when the ukrainian government realize the negative consequences of that agreement we told them in fact it was the ukrainian government who said that and we supported them. let us have discussions with the european union, ukraine and

russia to see how we can move on economically. they said no way, no way. we don't want to have russia in those discussions. instead of demanding and forcing yanukovych and his government to sign that association agreement. when they say they understand what the role of russia is, they should act the way they disclaim it. >> rose: that's what the united states thinks. i don't want to speak for them in the west. as you know, chancellor merkel has been a very friend of russia and she's very angry at russia. even on the stand doesn't believe that putin's really, you know what she said about the phone conversation. it seems irrational about this which raises onemportant question that many people sitting at this table has expressed. it is that vladmir putin thought the split up ofhe soviet union was one of the worst things at hand if not the worst. this is the beginning of his long time ago to exert russian influence in what was formally

the soviet union. >> do you believe or does the unites believe in world domination. it's like saying the united states is still harboring designs for, same kind of spear see theory. >> rose: you're saying clearly it's not true and it's not true to suggest it. >> that's not true but very open end frankly, what we have been saying that we need to exercise, to utilize advantages about regional integration. we have created the customs union between kazakhstan. they are joining the union and think some other countries in central asia may join the union and we are offering memberships to the union for ukraine. they could not make up for their mind, they could be figure out how that could be coordinated. >> rose: you don't have any objec to ukraine having a good and positive relationship for the european union period. >> our objective is for all of us to have relationship between all of us. our objective is to have common

european space from lisbon -- >> rose: here's what some people suggest about what happened. that when yanukovych even was suggesting that they might have a new relationship with the european union, it was then that the president of russia exercised the muscle that he had with respect to energy and other economic influences, to say you can't do that and you have to violate that understanding, otherwise we will stop supporting you economically. he used that leverage to force the ukrainian government to move away from europe. >> no. that was not the case. the situation was that the ukrainian government i think realized too late what the consequences of this association agreement would be. >> rose: what would be the consequences? >> the consequence would be that their economyould collapse because it could not withstand competition. >> rose: the europeans gave them $16 billion. >> they were promising stuff.

ow incidentally they are giving them $200 million, $400 million and some vague promises of future paradise without even, without even committing to a future membership of the ukraine and the european union. they are very good at giving promises and then telling countries that they must obey them politically and economically in order for those promises to materialize sometime in the 21st century. when they realized we needed consequences, looking to presidential elections in 2015. he said well there is no way we're going to survive our government our country if we accept that agreement. so we offered them very substantial economic assistance. we shouted out the things we could do together economically to take advantage of our economics integration in order to get out of this crises. and then we all could of course work on our relationship with the european union. >> rose: so are you saying just so i can understand this for history, that in fact if the european union had stepped forward and said here sign on the line, we have the agreed

relationship and here is $16 billion the number that was used they might be able to put together now. if they had done that the ukrainians would have been very happy about that and russia would have been very happy about that. >> we said very consistently, what president putin said at least on one occasion. if they were talking aut european membership and nato, we would be objecting to that. >> rose: that's not the issue here. >> but, but again, but he said membership in the european union the relationship with the european union is their deciion to make but we must also tell them frankly our ukrainian friends frankly what are the consequence going to be. because now we're in the arrangement of free trade zone with ukraine. our concern was that if they choose to go in the association with the european union with the consequences of that agreement, then that agreement free trade area would not ive. and that would have a very board of bad economic consequences for

ukraine because some stuff of ukraine having been suppressed would flow into russia. it would disrupt our very important economic relationship. the only thing we are asking of the european union is to have serious bilateral discussion to help ukraine get out of it. what we saw was demonstrations and people including officials from the united states marching along -- >> rose: are you talking about john mccain. >> john mccain was there coming uninvited demanding he should turn to the european union if we were a member of the european parliament. >> rose: what do you think the protests in the streets were about. >> the protests in the streets definitely out of frustration with president yanukovych and his government. and also many people were misled by the promise of the european union. most of the people who are interviewed in the streets at that time. for example under the opinion or

the big deed that they were offered visa free arrangement with european union. that was not the case. that was not even promised. so they were misled by the propaganda of the european union. but then very quickly this peaceful demonstration which started in kiev was hijacked by the radicals and they started attacking police, trying, started to take over administrative buildings and finally topeled the government by force. >> rose: what do you think of the government in kiev. >> it's not legal, it's not legitimate, the government is not legitimate. >> rose: that's what they say about crimea. >> it has gone into collation with the freedom party which the european parliament branded as racist and radical and anti-semetic. they do not have control of the situation. the situation is controlled by the radicals. >> rose: i want you to see several people at this table, people that you respect, henry kissinger has a very good relationship with vladmir putin,

correct. they talk on the phone, he visits the president when he's in moscow, yes. >> yes. >> rose: how would you define the relationship. >> well i'm not in the position. the relationship of mutual intellectual respect. >> rose: here's what he said on this program about president putin's reaction. >> i think that putin undoubtedly interprets the demonstrators to pledge in kiev that started when yanukovych was moving towards russia as instigated by the west and supported by the west. >> rose: no doubt he believes that. >> i have no question that he believes that. >> rose: that somehow w were behind the west and europe, u.s. and europe. >> i have no question that he believes that. and i think he probably believes that having the high nt that's reached in connection

with the olympics was a deliberate attempt to humiliate him. >> rose: after the success of the olympics. >> the olympics paralyzed him. he couldn't participate in the crises. so he probably overreacted. >> rose: you don't think he overreacted. >> well i think we did what we needed to do under those circumstances going out to the crimea. >> rose: the other big question about this is it the beginning of a new cold war between russia and the united states? >> well first of all i think we need to recall what the cold war was. the cold war was a period of total competition and on both sides were getting very very seriously to kill each other in nuclear war. this of course is not the case and is not going to be the case this time. we need to analyze the entire

situation very coolly. i think that definitely the united states and some western countries have their view on the crimea but i think we have adjourned vested interest. first of all making sure the world global economy, the global economy is not destabilized and secondly we can work together if we are to prevent a further destable station of ukraine. and without our cooperation i don't see that happening. >> rose: the destabilization ithe only interest that the russians have. >> they have many interests on both sides for cooperation with the west, both economically. depends on ukraine of course, all interested in independence strong and prosperous ukraine. there's like $16 billion debt to us so without them being prosperous country we cannot expect them to repay. we're both the political and financial interest in having the stable and prosperous ukraine. >> rose: the president has been careful to give russia a way out of this.

he said that in fact. an exit strategy, if you may. is it possible that we may come to a place where russia will want to extract from this crises. >> we're not in a crises. it's ukraine who is in a crises. the united states asked us what our views were about taking ukraine out of the crises. and we told them what the approach to that should be on the basis of the february 21 agreement and constitutional reform ukraine. this is our view. >> rose: do i hear, the president thinks it's a crises. and the president is so and europe thinks it's a crises and they are ratcheting up sanctions. and they believe they'll have an impact because they don't believe that the russian economy is in that good of shape. >> well so far i don't know if there were economic sanctions. one rsian bank has been sang shund i suppose because the name of the bank is russia. it's a strange approach. maybe president obama could try sanctioning some republicans and

bring the political in washington approach. >> rose: that's a good point. you were saying to me that sanctions will not have an influence on president putin's decisions in the future about this region. >> it will not. >> rose: that's t leverage the united states can have. >> it's only going to complicate things because it's going to complicate our cooperation internationally, including on ukraine where it is most needed. >> rose: here's henry kissinger talking about vladir putin personality. looking at personality and huge public events and certainly a geo political struggle. here it is. >> my relation with putin, you will ask why did i have so many meetings. >> rose: yes, why did you have so many meetings. >> i sat next to him when he was deputy mayor of st. petersburg. and i said to him, he was not a

huge, i said to him can you as an old kgb person, can you explain to me why gorbachev rejected rejecting in europe and then give it to them for nothing six months later. and he considered that hugely significant remark and he's written about it two or three times. a very significant remark. so his view is that russia has indicated because of the incompetence of its leadership in that it gave up 300 years of its history and they're right back to where they started. so he wants to restore. >> rose: okay. so how does he carry that agenda

because you said you don't believe he wanted to take over ukraine or he realized, he realized he couldn't because the west reacted. >> what he wants is a eurasian of the state of the soviet union plus what else is available on the fringes of it. and then that would probably give him the option of playing with china, playing with europe. but at any rate it would give him, give russia. >> rose: what do you think of this eurasian idea. >> this is exactly what i describe. here dr. kissinger is absolute right. this is the plan we've been pursuing for a number of years very openly. we have this customs union and i think the target is to create this euro asian economic union

by 2020. and new countries are joining so we would think it's going to be very important economic project which will allow our countries to come to an economic level where we can be interacting with the european union more as equal partners. the problem -- >> rose: there we go. that's at the heart of it right there. that is at the heart of it. we want to work as equal partners and you don't feel like you're an equal partner. >> no. we are an equal partner, more than equal partner in some relations with others. but it is important not only politically. here the interest is not political here the interest is economic. because if you interact with the european union like ukraine is supposed, if he joined the association agreement they're going to be a junior partner and their economy is going to suffer. if i'm not mistaken latvia. they left after they joined the european union. maybe some regarded it as a success and some thought it was a naal tragedy.

we don't want to support nato in the economic corporation with the european union. >> rose: it is said t baltic countries are worried to death that russia may come after them. they are some of them nato countries. >> they are all of them nato countries. and there's no need to worry. >> rose: if you're a nato country, russia's not going to come after you because that will call the treaty into effect. if ukraine had been a member of nato russia would have kept its hands off it. >> this is a hypothetical conversation. as far as i'm concerned the countries could float in the indian ocean whout worrying about that, you know. we're not talking about crimea, we're talking about where we care about baltic countries. i been there a long time ago. they have this psychic thing, psychological thing and they need to overcome that. there's no threat from russia to baltic countries.

they depend heavily on russia for economic cooperation and we want that to continue. >> rose: why are all those troops amassed on the border. why 20,000 troops. >> 20,000 are in crimea. >> rose: that's the border. >> no, let me explain. according to the agreement we had with ukraine on our black sea fleet there based on sevastopol we could have as many as 25,000 troops. only now we have 20,000 troops. there were some reinforcements after the whole travel started from the level which existed but clearly we are below the level. i'm not sure, several thousand i suppose. but then some people are concerned about the situation in western parts of russia on the border of ukraine. and the ukrainian military asked us to do inspections. there are some international agreements under whichou can ask for inspection. so we have allowed them those inspections so they could so for themselves that there's no

military threat gathering on the eastern borders. >> rose: henry kissinger, again, not to emphasize him too much but he does have relationship with putin and he understands putin's mind and he has experience in these kinds of matters. he said the ideal outcome would be to look at ukraine as a bridge with east and west rather than involved in a country in a struggle between the two. does that make sense to you? i bridge between east and west. >> absolutely. i think he should have talked more to the europeans. he should have visited brussels more and explained things to him because clearly they don't have a clue. they don't have a strategy and undertook a political venture in ukraine despite our warnings they don't know what the consequences are going to be about they're going to destabilize ukraine. so this don't seem to be, i mean they are free to this european union and allegedly there is this unified policy. and i don't know how this policy is being formed. but they don't have a clue in ukraine or in many parts of the is is very

regrettable and i think they are ying the price having created this crises in ukraine. to a large measure do to russia's actions and provoking a coup in kiev. >> rose: this includes chancellor merkel. >> i don't want to name any names. these a germany chancellor, she's not running the european union. brussels had a huge bureaucracy with very complex way of formulating decisions so i don't want to do any fingerpointing. but definitely what they did in ukraine was shortsighted, provocative, unnecessary and unprofessional. >> rose: is the president disawe pointed by her reactions what he's done. >> i cannot talk about president putin. >> rose: so finally you think they will find a diplomatic solution along the lines ukraine can be stabilized and be a bridge between east and west. 8ñ h the european union, it can have an understanding of its historic relationship with russia and everything will be fine a everybody can go home. >> this is what we're hoping for and this is what we're working for, yes. >> rose: this is not some

messianic mission by vladmir putin to restore what he considers the glory of the soviet union. >> we're much more pragmatic than messianic. i think russia is on the rise and the fact crimea has been incorporated into russia now reflecting the very strong historical will of the people, another element of that spiritual issue will rise of russia along with the sochi olympics which was successful despite all the doom and gloom predictions in the u.s. media on those olympic games. we're definitely on the rise. we form an adventure in order to reinforce that feeling. >> rose: what does it mean for you to say we're definitely on the rise? >> i think that we're a stable country. we're a country which has very big plans for the future. >> rose: who are they. >> i described to you in some detail. building a strong russia, building a strong russia. >> rose: but that's the point

too, isn't it. the united states is saying the following. russia needs a strong economy to have the role that it wants in the world. and if it continues, thisind of conduct as we saw in crimea, what's going to happen is that its image will be as a bully, number one. and b, they will ratchet up the sanctions because they've learned how to do sanctions if there's cooperation between the united states and europe as iran and this could be somhing that would do great detriment to your description of the rise of russia. >> well you know, you're scaring the hell out of me charlie with all those quotes. instead of making all those threats to russia maybe the yoiz -- >> rose: they're not threats. >> maybe they could do interesting the national debt. this is a financial bubble and you put a little hole -- >> rose: you think your economy -- >> our economy is very different

we don't have national debt. we don't have national debt. our economy is very solid and we are probably one of the strongest economies in europe. the european union they have 25% -- >> rose: in your energy where are you. >> 25% employment in some countries in the european union. they are carrying burdens which they cannot success three carry on. >> rose: does a pragmatic mind force you to say we have to be careful here and make sure no misunderstandings because we're only -- >> we're only to be careful. it's a world which is growing increasingly chaotic. i talked to my colleagues in the united nations, ambassadors from arab countries, from african countries. they are quite scared about what they see. after this very nice democratic bombing campaign does not exist

as an integral state anymore. there's chaos in many countries in africa. southern sudan is overflown with blood, overflowing with blood. iraq is basically disintegrated. syria is on the verge of being disintegrated, etcetera, etcetera. so they're very concerned and the only way to deal with those problems is to have concerted action from key members of the international community and russia is certainly one of those members. so if we go into this, if we do that then you will be harmed. we all are going to be harmed and i think russia may be in a better position than many others to live through those difficult times. but they will not come. >> rose: i think the world will be pleased to hear you say that bcause some people were e in fact there's ratcheting up in tension between the united states and russia specifically, you will see less cooperation on syria, less cooperation on iran and less cooperation in other parts of the world, which if it

took place might go make the possibility of solving those or reducing the danger of those conflicts. >> you're absolutely right. it's not our choice. this is not -- >> rose: but is it at risk, the relationship and the cooperation towards things that involve other countries. >> i believe that currently we're not at risk. currently there's no objective reason for a major falling out between russia and the united states, russi and the european union. however, if they start acting out all those scenarios which you've been describing, then some things will become inevitable. and the international relations will become much less governorrable than they currently are in the situation which are regions i have describedyou. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> my pleasure. >> rose: a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you. >> rose: larry page co-founded google in 1998. they had the mission to quote

organize the world's information and makate universally accessible and useful. larry page became ceo in 2011. today google is doing that and much more. the android operating system the most popular global platform. goobl x pursues moon shot projects from self driving cars to bringing the internet to the entire world. the company went public in 2004. today, its market cap is over $398 billion. >> larry sent me an e-mail and he basically said we've got to make sure we don't see like we're a couple of middle-aged boring men. said i'm flattered by that. [laughter] because i'm a bit older, you know. and he has a bit more network than i do.

>> thank you. >> so there's a spot where we have a conversation about the internet and we'll have a conversation about google and we'll have a conversation about search and privacy, and also about your philosophy in the sense of how you've connected the dots and how this journey that began some time ago has such interesting prospects. mainly we wanted to talk about the future. but google first. tell me where you think. >> i feel like i'm in a special class of people that can't give a ted talk by themselves. it was like with bill gates this morning, it's an interesting grouping. >> that's right. we'll take pride in that sliding won't we. >> yes. i appreciate the help. >> any time. so my first question, where is google and where is it going? >> something we think about a lot. our mission a long time ago is to organize the world's infortion and make it universally accessible and

useful. and people always say is that really what you guys are still doing. i was going to think about that myself and i'm not quite sure. actually, what i think about search, it's such a neat thing for all of us. to really understand what you want, to understand the world's information. and we're still very much in the early stages of that which is totally crazy. i've been at it for 15 years already but it's not at all done. >> when it's done, how will it be? >> well, i got to thinking about where we'rettloing, you know, wy is it not done. computerring is kind of a mess. your computer doesn't know where you are, it doesn't know what you're doing, it doesn't know what you know. and a lot we try to do recently is just make your devices work, people will understand your

context. google now what you may need and just getting that all to work. these a billion android devices now. recently comcast is starting to work on televisions and this week for wearables. computing where it can understand you and understand that information really haven't done that yet. still very very clenching. >> when you look at what google is doing, where does deep mind fit? >> yes, deep mind is a company we just acquired recently. it's in the uk. first i'll tell you the way we got there which was you know looking at search and really understanding, trying to understand evything and also make the computers not chunky and really understand you. like voice was really important. what's the start of the arts from speech recognition. 's not very good.

>> when you look at all that's taking place in deep mind and the boxing, also a part of where we're going is artificial intelligence. where are we when you look at that? >> well i think for me this is kind of one of the most exciting things i've seen in the long tim they started this company has a neuroscience and a computer science background. went back to school to get his ph.d. to study the brain. so i think we're seeing a lot of exciting what's going on that sort of crosses computer science and neuroscience in terms of really understanding what it takes to make something smart. >> but where is the level of it now and how fast do you think we are moving. >> this is kind of state of the art right now in understanding caps on youtube and things like that. proving the condition. we use a lot of machine learning to improve things incrementally.

i think for me this example's really exciting because it's one program that can do a lot of different things. >> i don't know if we can do this but we've got the imagine of the cat, it will be wonderful to see. this is how machines looked at cat and what it came up with. can you see the cat designed by the machine seeing by the machine. >> this is learned from watching youtube. there's no training, no notion of a cat. this concept of a is something important that you can understand and that the machines can kind of understand. it started with search, really understanding people's context and their inform i did have a video i wanted to show quickly on that. >> i planted a crop of potato. they are telling me, that's how it looked. so i went and i did it.

one of the websites told me that it could be the problem. after a few days i was excited about the internet. really would like to expand business so i went into the cyber cafe and we checked out sites. we are g to put a windmill. i felt strong because something that's there before do, i realize not everybody can access what i was able to access. i thought i needed an internet that my grandmother could use so i talked about it. then i post the information on the notice board.

this is like a computer. >> i wanted to help because i think i'm setting for a better life for me and my neighbors. people have permission but they not follow up to that. i think the follow up to that is knowledge. this is how we use it. >> the amazing thing about that video is we read about it in the news and we found. >> when i talk to people about you people who know you well say larry wants to change the world and he believes technology can show the way. and that means access to the internet, has to do with languages but also means how

people can get access and do things that will affect their community and this is an example. >> yes, that's right. an i think for me i've been focusing on access more talking about the future. we had this. it sounds totally crazy but i can show the video here. but actually two out of three people in the world don't have good internet access. we felt we could help people. >> it's a balloon. >> yes, get access to the internet. >> why does this balloon give you access to the interne because there are interesting things you had to do to figure out how to make balloons possible. they didn't have to be tethered. this >> this is a good examination of the innovation. we thought of it five years before we started working on it. how do we get access points up

high. you normally have to use satand it takes a long time to watch them. we saw there how easy it is to launch a balloon. as far as the internet i did a search on it 30 or 40 years ago somebody put up a balloon and it had gone around the worth multiple times. i thought why cannot we do that today. and that's -- >> rose: are you at the mercy of the wind? >> yes. it turns out we did s weather simulations. if you control the altitude of the balloons which you can do by pumping air into them in other ways, you can actually control roughly where they are. and so i think we can build a worldwide of these balloons that can cover the whole planet. >> before i talk of the future and transportation where you've been a nerd for a while and this fascination for automated cars and bicycle. let me talk about the subject

earlier with edward snowden. it isurity and privacy. you have to have been thinking about that. >> yes, absolutely. i saw a picture of edward snowden yesterday. i think for me i guess privacy and security are really an important thing. we think about it in terms of both things. and i think you can't have privacy without security. let me talk about security first because you asked about snowden and all of that. i'll say a little bit about privacy. i think for me it's tremendously disappointing that the government sort of secretly did all the stuff and then tell us. i don't think we can have a democracy if we're having to protest us from the government for something we never had a conversation about. i don't mean we have to know what the particular terrorist act they're worrying about protecting us from but we do need to know what the parameters

of it is. what kind of survealance the government's going to do and how. so google's in a position of protecting you and our users from the government doing secret things that nobody knows about it. it doesn't make any sense. >> and then the privacy side of it. >> the privacy side, i think the world is changing. they kerry it home and knows where you are. there's so much more information about you. and that's an important thing and it makes sense why people are asking you know difficult questions.

we spent a lot of time thinking about this and what the issues are. i'm a little bit, i think the main thing we need to do is provide people choice. show them what data's being collected, you know, such history, location data. we're excited about incognito modem and giving more people more choice and more awareness of what's going on. has to think it's very easy. what i'm worried about is we throw out the baby with the bath water. on your show actually i kind of lost your voice and haven't gotten it back. i hope by talking to you i will get it back. >> if i could anything i would do that. >> whatever you need to do. i think i look at that i made that public and i got all this informatn i've got a survey done, medical conditions where

people have similar issues. and i look at medical records and i say wouldn't it be amazing if everyone's medical records were available anonymously to research doctors. and when someone accesses your medical records a research doctor, you could see which doctor accessed them and why and maybe you can learn about what conditions you have. just with that we could save a hundred thousand lives this year. [applause] i'm justery worried that internet privacy doing the same thing we're doing with medical records is we're turning the baby out with the bath water. we're not thinking about the tremendous good that can come from people sharing information with the right people in the right ways. >> and the necessary condition that people have to have confidence that their information will not be abused. >> i have this problem with my voice because i was scared to

share it. certainly encouraged me to do that. it was a great thing to do. >> and the response has been overwhelming. >> yes, it's been super positive. we got thousands and thousands of people with similar conditions which there's no data on today. it's a really good thing. >> so talking about the future, what is it about you and transportation systems? >> i guess frost treated by this one in the college of michigan. i had to get on the bus and take it and wait for it and it was cold and snowing. i did some research on how much it cost and i just became obsessed with transportation systems. >> rose: any idea of an automated car. >> 18 years ago i learned about people working on automated cars. i became fascinated by that. kind of takes a while to get these projects going but i'm super excited about the possibilities of that, improving

the world. there's 20 million people and when more are injured per year. causes deaths for people in the u.s. >> you're talking about saving lives. >> yes, saving space and making life better. los angeles is half parking lots and roads. half of the area and most cities are not far behind actually. it's crazy because that's what we use our streets for. >> how soon will we be there. >> we can be there very very soon. well over a hundred thousand miles now, totally automated. i think i'm super excited about getting that equipment. >> it's not only you're talking about automatic cars, you also have this idea for bicycles. >> well, we got this idea we should just provide free bikes to everyone. and that's been amazing. most of therips you see bikes going everywhere and the bikes

were used to be used 24 hours a day. >> you want to put them above the streets too. >> i want to geteople using bikes more. >> we may have a video here. >> let's show the video. i just got excited about this. it's totally crazy but actually on the campus and working with them and trying to get re bikes. i was thinking about how do you cost effectively separate bikes from traffic. i searched and this is what i found. i actually working on this, know that particular thing but it gets your imagination going. >> let me close with this. give me a sense of the philosophy of your own mind. you have this idea tedx.

you don't simply want to go in some small measurable arena progress. >> yes. i think many of those things we just talked about are like that. almost using the economic concept of additionallity which means you're doing something that wouldn't happen unless you're actually doing it. and i think the more you can do things like that the bigger impact you have. and there are things that people might not think are possible. i've been amazed the more i learn about technology the more i realize i don't know it. and that's because it's technological horizon, the thing that you can see to do next, the more you learn about technology, the more you learn what's possible. he learned that balloons are possible because there's so much material that works with them. >> what's interesting about you too, though, for me is that i

have lots of people thinking about the future. and they are going and looking and they're coming back. but we never see the implementation, you know, of somebody you knew and read about, tesla. the principle of that for you is what? >> invention hasn't dne enough. if you invent something. tesla invented electric power but the trouble is getting it out to people. it has to be done by other people and it took a long time. i think we can actually combine both things. innovation and invention focus because the ability to really a company that can really commercialize things and get them to people in a way that's positive for the world and to give people hope. i'm amazed that how excited people were about that because it gave them hope for the future of the world that doesn't have internet for them. >> which is a second thing about corporations. you were one of those people who

believe that corporations are an agent of change if they are run well. i'm really dismayed. most people think companies are basically evil and they get a bad rap. i think that's somewhat correct. i mean companies are doing incremental things they did 50 years a or 20 years ago is not really what we need. we need especially in technology we need revolutionary change not incremental cnge. >> you once said i think i've got this right you might consider rather than giving your money if you're leaving it to some cause just simply giving it to elon musk because you had confidence he would change the future. >> he actually wanted to go to mars, he wants to go to mars and back up humanity. it's a company andit's

philanthropical. yls the company you're working for not just your time but your money as well. we don't have a concept of that. that's not how we think about companies. i think it's sad because companies are most of our effort where most people find it, where a lot of the money is. so i think i would like for us to help out more than we are. >> i close conversations with lots of people i normally ask this question. what state of mind, what quality of mind is it that has served you best. people like rupert murdock said curiosity and other people in the media have said that. bill gates and warren buffett have said focus. what quality of mind as i leave this audience has neighborhood you to think about the future

and at the same time change the present. >> i think the most important thing, i looked at lots of companies and i felt they don't succeed over time. there's a more rapid turnover of companies. what do they fundmentally do wrong. morals what companies all do wrong. mostly it's the future. so i think for me i just try to focus on that and say what is that future really going to be and how do we create it and how do we cause the organization, our organization to focus on that and drive that at a really high rate. that's like curiosity it's been looking at things people might not think about, working on thing that no one else is working on because that's where the additionallity relly is. if you're willing to do that, take that risk, you look android and i felt get working on

android as i was starting. it didn't evolve and it wasn't what we were really working on. i felt guilty we were spending time on that. how stupid much that was the future, a good thing to be working on. >> it's great to see you here, great to be working with you and it's been a pleasure being at this table with you. thanks larry. >> thank you. [applause] captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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