>> rose: . >> welcome to the program. we begin this evening with chuck todd, the new host of meet the press. >> has he been taking isis seriously enough, is he tired? is he worn out. is he ready to deal with this. is he frustrated that he's being, this is being foisted upon him. i didn't see that at all. and he looked different to me than the person frankly that i saw a week earlier. the last time i questioned him as a white house correspondent in the press room. >> we continue with mike and bob bryan who just won the doables at the u.s. open tennis championship. >> the communication, the bond we have on court is unlike any other team out there. just playing the hours we have together, you know, filling them in for each other, when bob moves over i fill just instinct allly just from the repetition-- repetitions. and then playing together for so many years. most team these have a bad

stretch and they're breaking up am but we have stayed together on tour for-- 36 years basically because we played our first tournament basically out of the womb, we started so young. >> and we conclude with a new film, directed by craig johnson and starring kristen wig and bill hadder called skeleton twins. >> its movie had comedic scenes but it also had some very heavy scenes. and it was really nice to have bill be the guide that i was doing them with because we are you know, very close. and we feel safe with each other. some of that comes from snl because you really kind of put yourself out there every week when you're trying a new character or something that may or may not work. and so we've just have this thing where we kind of feel safe with each other. >> rose: chuck todd, the bryan brothers, kristen wig, bill hader and craig johnson when we continue. funding for charlie rose is

provided by the following: addition-- additional funding provided by: and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide from our studios in new york city this is charlie rose. >> rose: chuck todd joins me now from washington. on sunday he hostedmeetmee hostedmeetmeet-- meet the press for the first time since replacing david gregory. the sunday morning news program is the longest selling show on television, recently slipped in the ratings placing behind cbs's face the nation. todd was previously chief

white house correspondent for nbc news, he opens his account of pod rater in meet the press in style, an interview with president obama at the white house. i'm pleased to have chuck todd back on this program. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. thank you very much. >> rose: first of all, congratulationsment but without better to start with than the president of the united states. >> that's right. you know, i did get the gift that we all want particularly on sunday mornings. the most revered public a faring program, of you will the public officials who is the one that you want the most answers in an interview, president of the united states. it is all downhill from here, i think. >> rose: no, it's not. so tell me how awe approached this interview with the president in the saddle at "meet the press" well, i sort of fewed it as-- viewed it as you put yourself in his shoes. and you say why is he doing this. they don't do things as favors as some people might want to think. why is he doing this. certainly when i made the pitch to try to get this interview it was my hunch knowing the political

situation he was in, knowing this was a political year, this was the first sunday after labor day there is sort of a traditional time. we know that president, particularly ones in political trouble like this one is, is looking for an opportunity to sort of answer some of the critical questions that have been thrown his way. he also has a crisis that clearly is front and center with him right now. so i sort of thought to myself well, what is it-- there are a lot of things you want to get out there. what is it that feels it is at the top of the agenda. i will be honest. right at the start of the interview, realizing that he was going to, when he talked about isis and realizing that he said i'm going to explain my strategy to the american people this coming wednesday, then all of a sudden, you know, trust me i had probably six or seven topics i wanted to get to. as soon as you hear that, you realize okay, this is a different situation. we know it's serious. 4(ntá he's now escalating it to another level so suddenly half my interview became about isis. i knew, look, it's a political year, an election

year, less than two months away from election day. that was a necessary topic. immigration, he had made some decision not to make some news there. ebola i thought was certainly something that the public, i think, has a lot more concern about than washington politicians do. and i felt like that was a subject matter. but i did find myself sort of editing down the other topics i wanted to get to, when you sort of realize thattois is is the be all end all even with the president's own agenda right now. >> how did you find him? >> i lot more engaged than i think the conventional wisdom had been developing. you know there is this idea that he seems like he's to the-- he is tacking the isis-- you know, the chattering class, if you want to call it. has he been taking isis seriously enough. is he tired? is he worn out? is he ready to deal with this? is he frustrated that this is being foisted upon him. i didn't see that at all. and he looked different to me than the person frankly i saw a week earlier, the last time i questioned him as a white house correspondent in

the press room. that did seem to be a little bit of a distracted, not disengaged, which call it pore distracted and frustrated president. that this issue is now dominating. i sort of-- i don't want to assume anything. but imagine, i got to imagine that candidate o bomba-- obama when he became president of the united states never thought that? the 6th year of his president he is he was going to have to get the country back on a war footing. so you throw that in there, and to me it wouldn't be surprising if he would come across as frustrated, that this is the choice that he's facing right now. >> to the best of your knowledge, what dow expect him to say on wednesday? ness see em -- he seemed to outline a bit of it. i think he had get into more detail. it sounds like what he is hoping, he is trying to make the maximum attempt at getting rid of isis with the minimal amount of u.s. military assets. so what does that mean when i sort of heard him describe it? he's hoping that the al qaeda strategy of the last five years, think sort of

what bush started in '05, '06 that continued into the obama administration with the targeted strikes, basically, taking out leaders one at a time whether it's in the ungoverned parts of pakistan, yemen, that situation, that he's hoping that the same counterter roichl strategy can apply there and is hoping to couple that with a jim baker bush 41 approach, truly putting together a coalition of middle eastern allies, saudi arabia, jordan, turkey, maybe the uae so, that they become the boots on the ground. so that it isn't just them supporting the united states, but almost a reversal that he somehow, the u.s. handles the counterterrorism, the u.s. handles the air cover, we're the air force for these folks. but that the bootses on the ground are muslim boots, are saudi boots, are turkish woods, are jordannian boots.

now whether he can tull that -- pull that off, john kerry like jim baker, i don't know but it seems like that is his goal. >> rose: he wanted to first have some kind of government in iraq and baghdad and he's waited for that to happen to a degree before he made any kind of commitments, even the use of air power. he talked about that. but everybody sees including general dempsey that you need boots on the ground to do this, perhaps even boots on the ground in syria. >> and he admitted that. because he said i'm ruling out-- ruling out boots on the ground. i said to him, what you just said, your own people say you have to have boots on the ground. if you are going it to stop isis and syria, that is when he said he didn't disagree but it can't be person boots. >> an therefore now he's dependent on what what-- the boots of the free syrian army which would have been a lot better off if he had done a lot more for them two years ago. does he have an answer for that? >> well, he doesn't have a good answer for that other than he still believes they

went about this the right way. you know, there's never been a, when he plays the what-if on this, his folks, he won't play the what if. and his folks argue that had they done more at that time, they still believe that half of this weaponry would have ended up in the hands of isis anyway. >> so that was their problem. >> that seems to be, that is their box they believe they were in. >> the other question to me is do they believe the free syrian army boots on the ground are sufficient to deal with isis and what will the syrian army do while this is going on? >> well, that's what i didn't understand that. was one of my-- i said-- he said he talked about isis an both dealing with them and iraq. and he said the boots on the ground have to be iraqi and in syria they have to be syrian. and i said well who's that. and he brought up the free syrian army. and he seems to be more optimistic about them now than he ever has been before but there's no evidence that

somehow the free syrian army is any stronger today. they seem weaker today to be honest than they were before. and then that's when he talked about the other sunni states. you know, you tell me, charlie, and you and i can observe this. i-- we'll see if it's saudi boots. we'll see if its turkish boots, or jor donian boots. but we've not seen this before t this would be a new thing. he seems to hope-- one thing he did say is that he thought the isis threat was so great to the moderate sunni states that maybe this would finally change their calculus. i sort of, i used a snarky e-mail question that i got an e-mail from a viewer, not for him, saying, that said to me, all this military aid we give to saudi arabia, are they ever going to use it themselves? >> so he sort of chuckled at that version of a question that i asked him meaning that clearly that is his hope. >> rose: his hope that at long last they will use these weapons that we have

been giving them. >> giving them for all this time but with the sole purpose of being to not just protect themselves but to maybe be a part of the-- a part of the protective force, if you will, in the middle east. >> yeah, and at the same time you've got all those countries, whether it's the emirates or saudies to lesser a degree the jordanian worrying about what does this do in terms of ennobling iran and shi'a forces, not only in iraq but also in syria so you get the sunnis on board and what does that do to the sunni versus shi'a conflict? >> right, and hi asked them the specific question. i said you're doing thisment by the way, have you set aside your goal of getting rid of assad. he blamed the assad for the rise of isis but seemed to sort of agree with that premise that yes, that's not-- he doesn't believe, he doesn't want to be helping

assad. that that is not his goal here. but it now doesn't seem to be a primary objective it is now a secondary objective. again, and i think that this is the part of this policy that i think will get debated in congress in a very healthy way. which is okay, if you get rid of isis, then what do you do with syria? right, if you succeed in getting rid of isis, then what? and i think that that is why i think the president has been slow to agree to this. everybody around him has been pushing him in this direction. he's finally there but he couldn't answer the and then what. i don't know if he's going to answer the and then what you do you do with syria after you succeed with isis, after all this is done. i don't think he'll address that on wednesday. >> i mean it is a sense that whatever you think the white house may be like, circumstances can change in a moment. so that your fondest hopes, you don't have a chance to deal to them. >> i tell you though, charlie, i think one of the

things that is going to be a part of the debate about the obama foreign policy legacy, on one hand it does feel as if a lot of this was out of his control, okay, the arab spring. but his response to the arab spring, and it's not just his, it's all of the american foreign policy community left and right, their response to the arab spring, was it a misread? was it a, the decision to push out mubarak, is egypt really different today? is general sisi any-- and then what did you get for it. and i had one former senator, a democrat say to me thinks the syria issue almost has-- all begins with the moment, the moment in cairo an tahrir square that when the president came out on the side of the protestors and pushed out mubarak, and then the president made the decision to get involved and get rid of qaddafi in libya that it raised the hopes of the protestors and opposition in syria. and then all of a sudden,

and it sort of almost encouraged them to, those protests to grow, for people to go and say you can get rid of-- and then when he backed off, there was the vacuum. and in that vacuum so-- . >> rose: that's exactly what happened. >> that i think is going to be a debate about the president's decisions during the arab spring, the heat of the arab spring and what did that do to syria. and how much of an impact did that have in the creation of isis. i think it will be one of the scholarly debates for decades. >> rose: you get a sense with this president, i may be wrong and so i'm asking the question, that how he cares more about the domestic issues than he does about foreign policy issues. >> one of the biggest misconceptions of him in '08 by some people and frankly by the hillry clinton campaign and by john mccain was that he was somehow-- that he wasn't fully knowledgeable about foreign policy. that was a mistake they made. the barack obama i started covering in '08 and that i covered the first term for sure, i always found to be

more of what you would assume, more engaged in the foreign policy than the domestic. that he really thought he would make his mark internationally, that that was the great potential of his presidency. you know, think of the cairo speech, that cairo speech in many ways, that was the speech he cared about probably more than any other speech i think that he gave in his first term or at least in the first couple of years. >> what i sense that he doesn't like about, is what, it's the issues he has to deal with right now. he was hoping that he was actually going to reposition america's role in the middle-- you know, he had these grand visions of being the president that would make progress in the middle east between the palestinians and israelis, that he was the guy that was going to create an engagement in asia by the united states in a way that hadn't happened before, which by the way is happening. i mean it is-- the u.s. engagement particularly with southeast asia is as great

as it's ever been in any presidential term. nobody notices. it has a little bit of an economic impact but he has made that pivot. but he can't focus on it he can't concentrate on it. >> what do you think the agenda is for the rest of the obama term? >> well, i think it is frankly number one, managing the middle east and i think he's got to deal with that. i do think legacy wise, immigration is the only getable potential thing he can do. i think he would, there is a shot, i mean, you tell me what happens in november. if no change in power in november, yes republicans pick up senate seats but it's a democratic senate and a republican house. i actually think will you get immigration reform sooner rather than later. i think if it's a full republican control you won't. then at that point, i think the only tangible a againa item domestically that he has a shot at getting is tax reform. it may not be the tax reform that he wants but it's going to be a version of it.

and that's only if the republicans think that they need to do something before 2016. i'm of the mind-set that we don't operate the way it worked in the 80s and 90s and that somehow it's too much of a zero sum gain. and i think that if republicans win the house and senate i think quickly everything becomes 2016. i think the biggest thing right working against president obama in order to get something big done in these last two years domestically is if hillary clinton really does become an active candidate by january of next year. the minute that happens, she's the leader of the democratic party that day. >> rose: how would you measure the dynamics of the relationship no you? >> i think the most unique aspect of their relationship is i think they're very similar people. neither one of them are natural politicians. neither one of them likes the theatrics as president obama said to me, sometimes i don't like the theatre of the presidency and i don't get it right. i think hill roe chrn ton struggles with that. that's what is going to be fascinating to me watching

her as a candidate again without obama in comparison. because i think we're going to all see in a different way how she is more like obama in personality in how she conducts politics and how she sort of hand to hand campaigns than she is her husband. >> rose: do you think her chances have increased or slightly decreased since over the last year. >> i put it this way. if she were run stock the secretary woman president, i think she would not even be considered a front-runner, just another candidate. i think the-- one thing i think that washington media gets wrong, she has-- there is a clinton fat agency problem but it's in the press corps i think there as much less clinton fat agency in the democratic party than the press corps which will be a separate problem for her. the press that will cover her will cover her with less enthusiasm and more skeptism-- skept-- september simp then democratic activists.

all that said, she is naturally not the populous liberal that i think the democratic party would like to have and she's naturally not the-- i don't want to say isolationist, she is not somebody who wants a more reserved foreign policy. she is much more hawkish than where the democratic policy is on foreign policy and much more probusiness than where the democratic party is. so positionwise, i would argue she's kind of out of step of where the democratic party is going to be in 2016. but i think the enthusiasm to break that glass ceiling may allow her to overcome those other issues. >> i think part of the reason she lost to obama, part of the reason, was she did not have that historical narrative which was as powerful as his was in 2008. >> this time hers seems that kind of powerful. it does feel that powerful is she different other than in terms of their natural skills as a politician from him. do they see the world any

different? >> oy think think that there is a, i don't want to say-- i think they're both very pragmatic individuals. i think sometimes president obama doesn't get enough credit for his instinct, his pragmatism, maybe too much so. and that's why he is a bad negotiator. he sometimes negotiates from the pragmatism. >> right. >> i do think that hillically clinton is less naive about the intentions of washington. meaning she's less optimistic about the intentions of washington so she's willing to sort of do the more brutal nuts and bolts part of running the town, governing some of the uglier parts about what you have to do in politics, sometimes. so i think that's where there is a difference. but again, i go back to personalitywise, there is this similarity, they're both neither one of them are naturals and they both have had to learn to like the glad handing part of politics in a way that, you

know, bill clinton couldn't be more optimistic, you know. he just loves it. and that's what to me makes the candidacy so interesting. is she running for the clinton third term, ot bama third term. she has clinton's last name, obama's personality. the historical narrative of obama. there's a lot of interesting ways you can sort of paint the hillry clinton campaign. >> what is her vision for the sense of what she wants to do and you know, everybody talks about things like income inequality and protect the middle class and all of those issues but how does that translate in terms of what you would do in the white house? >> what is her big idea other than her first name and that might be enough, you know that is-- but you're right about this sort of past future. i think i read a stat, i think only the age difference between carter and reagan we normally, we, our presidents we pick one, the next one that we pick

after-- it's a little bit younger than the one that laughed. the few times that that didn't happen not counting vice presidents taking over under due circumstances is when reagan came after carter. that is a gap when we go back a generation. that is where you think maybe there is going to be vulnerable, is she going to look too much like the past. and nass's where she's going to have to have-- i think she has to change more than i think the people around her are telling her. >> i do too. >> i think that people around her have said this, charlie. if not for obama would you have been the nominee in '08 and would you have been president. there is no obama, therefore you don't have to change. i disagree with that premise. >> rose: i do too. it's been a pleasure for me always to talk to you about our shared passion for politics. and i look forward to many conversation. and qon grat-- congratulations again. >> long live the long form interview, right, charlie. >> rose: absolutely, chuck todd, the new host of "meet

the press" back in a moment. stay with us. >> mike an bob bryan are here, they are the most successful duo in the history of men's doubles tennis. they won their fifth u.s. open title yesterday. here is a look at match point. >> 6-3, 6-4. >> what did you say, he hits that pretty hard. felt pretty good, i hit a body serve and the guy popped it up. >> bye. >> gets close to the net, that's the key. it makes you look good. >> rose: now you two, we will talk all about this. here it is. >> that's the trophy right there. >> do you get to keep this, is this yours or for a year. >> that's the tournamentsment they send you a replica, of can. the exact size.

the other grand slam say miniature version but this is what it looks like. >> i guess the other great doubles team was john-- mcenroe phlegming were good. >> new come-roach, tony roach and --. >> they had 12 slams those guys and the woodie, obviously. >> you have how many. >> we have 16 now. >> yeah. >> nobody will ever double this record, top this record, will they. >> i don't know. s this's what people always think, and federer probably thought he was safe at 17 and here comes nadal. he's got 14 now. >> only three away from 17. >> that's amazing. what is the magic of what you guys have done? >> i think -- >> other than hard work. >> yeah, i mean -- >> and athletic talent. >> yeah. i think being twins helps. you know, the communication, the bond we have on court is unlike any other team out there. just playing the hours we have together. you know, filling the middle for each other. when bob moves over i fill

just instinct actually just from the repetitions, and playinging to for so many years, most teams they have a bad stretch and they're breaking up. but we've stayed together on tour for 16 year, 36 years basically because we played our first tournament basically out of the womb. we started so young. >> rose: you were about a year. >> basically, yeah. >> rose: whose's right-handed and who is left. >> bob is left. >> i'm the leftie. >> he's the rightie. i have heard stats that nine out of ten identical twin are the leftie rightiest combo. the way you are positioned in the womb. >> i didn't have to serve in the sun yesterday, it helps with doubles. we can use the wind to our advantage. you look at most of the woodies were right and left-handed. mcenroe fleming, great teams of the past. >> have there been, give me the sense of the great moments that have made the evolution to what you are now. >> i mean where it came together and you knew. >> i mean the first time we

won kalamazoo which is a boy's 18 nationals was we were given a wild card, at 17 years old in the u.s. open. i think we were 105 pounds. and we had to show everyone our credential because they thought we were ball kids. even the pros were kicking us off the practice courts. just that moment being out there for the first time was amazing. 2-- we went to standford and won the ncaa title, turned pro after two years, came on the tour and were in limbo a little bit playing singles and doubles and decided to shift our focus to doubles and try to be great, you know, wanted to play davis cup. we won our first grand slam in 2003. if he french open and davis cup, you know, in 2007,. >> rose: dow always play the same side. >> pretty much, way. >> i am in the-- just because we like to -- >> we switch it up once in a while when teams are beating us and they kind of have caught on to our strategies, we try to throw a little

wrinkle and try to surprise them. it's worked a few grand slam finals. but our bread and butter is, you know, forearms in the middle, that sour strength. >> rose: what dow say to weekend players about me about the attractiveness of doubles? >> it's a great game. i mean you can see a lot of reflexes. >> rose: a lot of them. >> i was hit five times in the chest, ef lee where. all the reflex. >> we got a pretty bad bruise on his rear end. >> huge forehand. he wound up from 10 feet away an crushed mike about five -- >> you got the communication between the partners. it's a precise game. you have to return for the alleys, all the strategy. i think you get better at doubles later on. some of these guys in the top ten are 40 years old. because you have to get the intricacies of the poaching. the line, so much, like chess, basically. and singles is kind of like checkers. >> yeah. >> they say that you guys at least will go to the olympics.

>> that's our goal. we're having fun. we've got a great gig. what we do is a blast. we're traveling the world together. going to places where the sun is always shining. making a pretty good living doing it. >> rose: yes, you are. >> and we're competitors. we hate to lose and it's fun to work hard and hold the trophy up. >> rose: but you live in different cities, don't you. >> yeah, we do. we used to live together for all these years then bob got married, moved away. we had a minidivorce. >> we had one big bank account, when to split it down the middle. he thought he deserved a little more because he won more mixed double titles. there was a little minidivorce and now we're living apartment but we're always on the road together so it's basically -- >> you're at your best and he's at his best when are you playing singles. >> i don't think have you ever beaten me. >> i am bet we are age, i do the gym work, the stretching, i'm healthier, my nutrition so i'm going like this and are you comin coming-- coming down. >> my career is on the

decline. >> yeah. >> no, we do play singles a lot. he is a health nut, he's gone gluten free for ten years, dairy free, travels around with a bag full of, you know, vitamins and supplements. >> what is the strategy of doubles, for example. >> the strategy of doubles for our game. >> your game, your level. >> our level, we like to get all over the net. that's when we're playing our best, when we're getting together at the net. a lot of these guys now are staying on the base serving and ripping ground strokes from the baseline. but in the u.s. open final yesterday we played two guys that didn't didn't come to the net on their serve one time that is the evolution where it's going. but we still like, we like our chances when we're a team at net. >> we are traditional doubles team that is a wall up there. if they can get it through us, then too good. >> rose: if they get through they deserve the point. >> we like to get all over the middle, make a lot of poaches. >> the serving is different in double too, you want to serve a higher percentage. in singles if you serve 55%

that's great. but we feel like when we're serving the high 70s, in the high 70s that somewhere we want to be. >> rose: you mean winning your serve. >> no, first percentage so we like to be in the high 70s and we like to use a lot of body serves which i don't see in singles. the guys going for the aces, in doubles you want to curve if into the buddy make a guy get out of the way of it. that si harder return to get precise down at the feet. so you will see us use a lot of the body serves. >> rose: rod once said to me the strokes didn't go but getting to the ball went. >> yeah. >> rose: that it is the legs that kill new the end. >> yeah, you have to have good wheels today in this game. you got to contact the point in the same spot every time f you see federer, he gets there, and he's hitting the ball, he's got his eye on the ball every time. once you lose that step, then you can-- you are starting to drop down the rankings. i mean that, if you lose your wheels, that's your base. >> and that's the big injury in the singles game because of the lateral movement, the hips that go first. i means that's where we feel the most soar, been playing

tennis since 2, you feel it in the hips, i think. and you see a lot of former players having that surgery, so yeah, if you can stay-- . >> rose: what is the surgery. >> hip replacement, resurfacing. >> when you retire, agassi had it done right when he retired. knock on wood, hopefully we won't have to have that done but it's looking like it. >> rose: so when you didn't win this is the first grand slam in 2014, the last one was 2013. 24 is the last grand slam of the season. >> yeah. >> rose: were you worried there. >> there was definitely a sense of urgency. we won three last year, almost completed the calendar year grand slam and we knew we weren't going to back that up. but we wanted-- . >> rose: you don't think you can win four in 1 year. >> we always said that's impossible, especially in doubles. the margins are so small, you know. one of his gets sick we're out. the whole-- . >> rose: you think you could? >> i mean we were on a good you roll. >> we were on a dream run, we have won 26 matches in a row, 27 matches in a row. and everything was going right.

we were winning matches, down match points. i think it was a little bit, a little bit of luck. as bob said, the margins are so small. one break of serve in doubles the set could be over. just because it's so hard to break serve. so yeah, this year we started off a little cold. >> rose: australia, boom. >> australia, bomb. we usually start strong, we won that six times, french went out, bam, and wimbledon the final we almost won but saved it for the open and got hur 100th title which was really special to do it here with our friends and family here in new york was pretty cool. >> rose: so let's go back to tiger and jack nicklaus, and we talked about rafael and roger, i mean what is the goal here, beyond is there a magical number where you say we could do that? >> yeah, i mean, we always looked at that 100 as just a mountain, so far away. i mean the woodies had the record of titles record at 61. so we were always laughing at that, no way. and then boom, we got 62, i

think in 2010. and then some guy said you're going to make it to 100. we're like yeah, right, you know. and here we are. knocking on a hundred, who knows how long we want to play and keep going. but you know, you got to enjoy every one. you never know when it's going to be your last. there are so many good teams out there now. there are 15 teams that could have won a grand slam title in doubles. singles you probably say there are only four, you know. that's why this year is unusual. >> nadal not being there opens up the door for more players to wiggle around the draw. >> rose: whs's interesting is the number of former champions that are not coach-- now coaching. michael chang. >> yeah, in the open it was chang versus becker and edberg versus-- and they play the the grand slam titles against each other, the pair. >> all the coaches played grand slam. >> it's wild to see. >> what's wrong with american tennis?

>> i think it's just a period of time where we're waiting for these, you know, there are 16 and 17-year-olds that are really good players that have the potential nobody a top ten. >> we have a good crop coming up. last ten years it's the federer nadal joke very much murray show and they have been taking all the slams. and you know, ezra is having a great caer radio, 14 in the world but by american standards we're spoiled with agassi and sampras. >> do you see more guys tall playing the game. >> being tall is such an advantage. you see it with raion itch, carlo vic, they boom down serves. >> he is 6, . and these guys-- these guys are-- he looks like he's-- it definitely helps to have some size. in this game. >> like michael chang he's short but you have to be lightning fast. >> you have to be a wizard with the ball if you are under 5, 10 and absolute genius ball striker. >> if you were doing it over, would you do anything different in terms of how you developed your strokes,

how you played the game? >> no i mean i wouldn't change a thing. our parents owned a tennis club. we grew up just living at the club all day long. and they were smart. you know, they had us fall in love with the game first before-- before throwing us on the court and training us into the ground. they took to us the great western forum to watch agassi exhibition. you know, we just fell in love with these idols. and then it took care of it sell. and we're still, you know, we still love the game today. so yeah, i mean, the way that they went about it was, i think, a great way. >> we didn't have tv in our house. >> the coach from standford said he came looking bag on t kind of a smart play,. >> you guys all wanted to practice too, didn't new. >> we pushed each other. >> i mean being twins, you never want your brother to be stronger than you, or have a better forehand so you're always out there on the practice court, in the gym trying to catch up.

>> do you basically think you're at even now? >> i would say we're even. >> what makes for a great doubles team is two players that compliment each other. he has the huge serve, he always has. >> what is it about your game you would like to improve? >> we're always working hard to improve. i mean there's-- i'm always trying to get a better zfb. he's trying to get a better return. >> you can work this out. >> it's amazing how the level of game, i don't know, i tell him but he didn't like to take coaching. >> the game picks up every year, it's crazy. i think we were back here, we were here in '04, number one in the world. but we're so much better now than we were in '04 bus the game, just the level of the game just keeps gettin getting-- technology, the nutrition, the training technique, guys are just getting more flexible, stronger, jump higher, faster. so i yeah, we have to figure out ways to stay on top. because guys are coming after us. >> i'm happy to hear you say that there are a lot of crop of young players 14 or 15 who have real potential in america.

we haven't lost, you know-- the production of great champions like mcenroe and sampras and agassi. >> i think sometimes what the u.s.a. has done is taken kids out of their comfortable environments at home and pulled them to a training center and they haven't really developed as much as they probably could have. so maybe we can pump more money into finding the successful coaches all over the the country and getting them money and having them develop so the kids stay at home with their parents. i think it's better for a teenager to be at home than being in an academy. >> rose: you mean going down to -- >> he has created great champions. they have great academies down there. but i think the best players didn't grow up in academies. i mean there are some, like curry or agassi, but you look at like serena williams and venus, they grew up at a park in compton and their parents were instrumental in their success. we never went, we stayed together in a small town in

california. there was no other players around there, just us, but i think they should leave these great juniors in their home environment to use their coaches to improve. >> rose: you guys are the best at what you do in the world. and that's pretty good, if you can find something that you can do better than anybody in the world. >> you're the greatest interviewer in the world. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> congratulations, great to have you. >> thanks, charlie. >> rose: we'll be right back, stay with us. the skeleton twins is a new movie. starring kristen wig and bill hader they spent 7 years together on snl and are back in action in a turn towards drama. they play strange depressed siblings who reunit. here is the trailer for the skeleton twins. >> have you read marley and me. >> yeah, sad. >> why is it sad? >> you don't know what happens. >> no, that's why i'm reading it. >> does the dog die at the end. >> i'm not saying anything.

>> look how much i have left. >> i was thinking you come with me? >> is it okay if i tell them. we're trying to get pregnant. >> that's great. >> we say we are because it's not sexist that way, right, that's you what told me. >> i can't wait to be the creepy gay uncle. >> you're hired. >> last i heard you moved to l.a. to be an actor. >> did you not hear, i won an oscar. >> oh. surprise. >> back from the dead. >> what are you doing here? >> when sdlt boys show up? >> it's dike night, sweetie. >> what? >> dike night. >> your-- you're my brother, we're supposed to be here. >> i'm tired of acting like you are the healthy one and i'm the special needs kid. >> i get depressed about my life. >> you're not a famous actor, no one is a famous acker. >> george clooney. >> i guess that is one exception. >> i think we went ten year was talking.

>> it's probably not worth talking about now. >> tell me a secret. >> i slept with my scuba instructor. >> maggie. >> wouldn't it be easier just to tell you're not ready to have a kid. >> what am i going to do. >> i told somebody i was in town, don't freak out. >> hi. >> hi. >> wow. >> you know what you need to take the edge off. >> standing here beside you. >> what are you doing? >> ♪ ♪ what do they know ♪. >> i say you put on something pretty. we're going out. >> dad always told us to stick together, no matter what. >> we should have a dude's day. >> i think your version of dude's day and my version are totally different.

>> that's awesome. awesome! >> i have a very serious question for you. >> uh-huh. >> will you go to prom with me? >> joining me is the director craig johnson and the films two stars kristen wig and bill hader. i'm pleased to have you here. >> we're pleased to be here. >> great to see you,. >> thrilled to be here. >> tell me about this movie where did the idea come from, siblings reuniting. >> yeah, well, i have a sister and we are pretty close, though when things get kind of rough the way we deal with it is kind of a macabre twisted sense of humor. and i liked that. i like the idea of two people who are having a rough time in life and the only way they can deal with it is through kind of being funny. >> rose: funny. that's why you chose comedians. >> yes. and why these. >> oh, gosh, why not. i mean you know, i think i was fans of both of theirs from snl and even seeing these characters that were sort of more broadly drawn, you could tell that there

was something very, very real going on inside each one of them. you know, i remember seeing, you know, you know, penelope, actually, the countries tin's character on that show and thinking there is a real sad human inside that person. >> then he met me and i was like hi, i'm kristin. >> oh no, oh. >> oh, hi. >> you can do the real human version of some of these more broadly drawn characters. and it's a testament to their performances on "saturday night live" that everything felt actually underplayed, weirdly, even though they were doing these sort of larger-than-life characters. >> rose: you had said about her that, tell me about the relationship between the two of you coming out of "saturday night live". >> well, hi, bill. >> bill. >> hi. >> we haven't seen each other since we shot the movie. >> the court order now. >> actually -- >> a falling out. >> big falling out.

the lawyers are over there watching our every move. we're fine. >> rose: didn't know that. (laughter) >> giant falling out. no, everything was great. kristin left the year before me and we started the same year. and we have the same manager, same agent, i don't know, we worked with each other a lot. >> we share a dog. >> we share a dog. >> no, we don't. >> no, we share a dog. >> we share it. >> where is it? oh no, i thought you had him. >> you both left him at the apartment. >> but it's been, it's great. and i was attached to this movie in 2010, met craig and you know, it's a little movie so you spend two years trying to get the money for it, have the money, don't have the money, have it. and then craig said what about kristin to play your sister. i had talked to you about the movie. and kristin was very sweet, you know, when that happens i have been in a position

where you don't want to pressure the other pefernlt you want to pressure your friend, i'm staying out of it, you talk to her. kristin called me and said i would love to do this movie but only if will you have me. and i was like oh, of course. and then bam, we had the money. >> and i was like kristin, we're in the money. >> but you described her as i said to her, as performers. >> you felt that kind of, whatever -- >> oh, yeah, yeah. >> we've been through so much together. >> we really have. >> being on snl, you are so bonded with your cast mates. but you have a special sort of relationship with the people that you start with. me and jason, andy samberg and bill we started together so you kind of feel like that's your class a little bit. because you have your first experiences together. you go through the third year together, ups and downs, everything. >> you watch what happens, what you're going through and measuring what happens

to them. you get excited for them and you, you know, feel for them and yeah, i mean in my house the only picture, no offense to anybody else at snl but the only picture i have framed was i think your last show, the four of us sitting on the stage together. the only picture is me, jason, andy and kristin kind of sitting there like smiling. and it was you and you and andy's last show, kind of in a way being like, we did it, we lasted, we lasted. how cool is this. >> take a look at this. >> i found a man looking around the bushes. he says he is the new gardener. (laughter) >> hi. >> who are you? >> i'm grad, the male gardener, the landscape company sent me to trim back your rosemary.

now is it okay if i use your-- the one across from -- >> hey, you know we-- (laughter) >> oh my. >> why? why? >> why? >> why? >> why did we do this. >> why did we do that. >> we could never get through that sketch, ever. >> no and it always-- wait a minute. >> we were saying early he said it different every time. >> every time we say it different and kristin and i when the camera was on him he is talking and when it is on us we would be looking at each other and go what is he doing and start laughing. >> rose: what is the relationship between the two of them in the movie. >> never's deeply es stranged, separated for ten years due to a bunch of

events in their past. and that's largely what the movie is about. so they move back in with each other to try to fix that broken relationship. and kind of fall back in love with each other. i have had a few people say that it kind of reminds them of a love story in a strange way. and i like that. i like that it's sort of a nonromantic love story between a brother and a sister. >> there is also a tradition of snl people going into the movies and finding some success. >> yeah. i mean it's interesting for me, this is the first real big role hi in film. and it was cool to leave snl. i shot this while i was still on "saturday night live". and it was interesting to kind of have that be your first thing usually, it's a big comedy or something so it was neat to do something. >> how did you find it? >> well, you know bill and i get asked all the time how it was to work with each other. and the movie had a lot of comedic scenes but it also had some very heavy scenes.

and it was really nice to have bill be the guy that i was doing them with. because we are, you know, very close and we feel safe with each other. and some of that comes from snl. because you really kind of put yourself out there every week when you're trying a new character or something that may or may not work. and so we just have this thing where we kind of feel safe with each other. and especially with the dramatic stuff, it really, really helped to take risks and to be more open. >> yeah. there is a scene in the film where i had to give this monologue and i remember when the camera was on me it was just my coverage and kristin was off camera. a lot of times we have actors and they take, they kind of don't go 100%, you know, because they have to save it for their close-up. but every tape kristin would give 100% and she would cry. >> i was having a terrible

day. a single tear. >> go ahead. >> she came, no, no, she gave 100%. she cried and it helped me in such a huge, you want to help my performance. >> i mean is this a transition at all, for you guys? from what you did at "saturday night live" to what are you doing now? >> i done think so. to me it's kind of a different muscle. my wife said, she said she has never seen me as happy coming home from a job before because i had been doing sketch comedy so much. i love doing sketch comedy but it's a sketch, there we go. come on. and this was more detailed, more fine-tuned and more nuanced. and having the time to kind of, you didn't think after we did it, okay, no one of laughed so that didn't work, you know. >> but becoming an acker, have you said good-bye to sketch comedy? >> well, i mean snl has kind

of always there. but at the same time we're not on the show any more. >> yeah. >> so it's nice to know that we have that home and if we really, if we think of a character, i guess we could try it out. >> that whole audition process again. >> do i remember you saying that some hosts of "saturday night live" are better than others. >> some are good, yeah, i always like the host that would come in and say, and would kind of say, you know, where do you want me, you know, and be a part of the ensemble, you know. sometimes hosts are used to being the head of they've directed a movie or the head of a production company, and they have always been at the head of the table and it's hard for them to relinquish that role. tom hank was come in, he has done all these huge oscars and he would show up and be like so what do you want me to do? >> steve martin same way.

>> taking it more, "saturday night live" required you to be there, you know, like on monday morning, doesn't it, if are you there on saturday or tuesday and i was somehow talking to tom about it. and he was -- >> and you know, he was saying man, i practice, jumping in on monday and figuring out, they took it seriously. >> yeah, and he would hang out with the writers and we hang out late. he knew to kind of get into that, you know, i always say the funniest i've ever been in my life was in high school and the lunchroom with my friends because there was no pressure. just you and your friends and messing and. and no we have a show this week, or people watching or is this going to play in front of an audience, just you're hanging out. i always feel at snl you're trying to get that feeling again and he has-- he's smart enough to know we have to be relaxed and we're joking and and something happens and there, that's a sketch, let's do that, you

know. he was really smart. >> same thing for you? >> oh yeah, absolutely. i don't know what you are asking me, but yup. >> well, she has a problem with listening. >> i zoned out like five minutes ago. no, i'm agree with what you were saying. >> she will introduce herself to you in five minutes. >> rose: whenz did you know you wanted to be a comedienne. >> i don't know if i ever did. i mean i kind of, i knew i wanted to act. and i just started with improv. and i had never really done anything before that. >> being a sketch comedian is din too. >> i just fell in love with improv and suddenee-- studied at the ground, they are both together so i started doing sketch comedy and writing and it sort of happened. >> is it an easy move to make. >> you know. >> you have these two, you got an interesting story. >> is it easy? you know, an endie fill some never really easy. you never have enough time

or money. but i have to tell you, there is something a little magical, you hear about that a lot like saying it is just magical on saturday. -- set but it kind of was. there is a scene in the movie, the first day i was working with you two together, halloween night in a bar and there was sort of that scene where they danlsed together. and it was, a moment where everything came together like it looked beautiful, the costume design was gorgeous. we played this beautiful song, ended up being in the movie and these two just started, just conducted in this way that made me say this movie might work. i feel at ease, you know from that point on, it was a lovely experience. >> we go out on this scene this is maggie and milo in the didn'tal office, trying to convince maggie to take some nitrous oxide. and bill said this, think about this as you watch this, that nitrous oxide scene embarrassingly is pretty much how kristin-- kristen and i are around each other

all the time. >> i can confirm that, it is. >> so joy you will never ever want to hang out with us ever. >> give that to me. give it to me. give it. >> hmmmm? >> sit in there. i think it's broken. >> oh my-- milo. stop! oh my god. >> you have to have that thing fixed. you know, you need to take the edge off. >> yeah, right, no. >> everybody's doing it from if you don't do it no one else. >> your boss is doing it, tina, emily, kacey, shanon is doing. >> shanon can not be doing. >> eric. >> i'm to the doing. >> for more about this

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