>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with a new u.s. open tennis champion marion cilic. >> i feel much more confidence now with this victory against prospective for my mind that's what i do is good and it's really good it's going to be enough to win against the best guys. and even this year i had with novak very few very tough matches. we played in them when i was there two sets one up. but i'm feeling that very very close to many more of those matches. >> rose: we continue with two correspondents covering the war in rack, clarissa ward of cbs news of tim arango of the "new

york times." >> people feel very strongly about this. i have moderate sunni must lump friends saying if you get into bed with assadoc=i you're lookt marauderrists putting off bombs. this reputation for sometimes we have for adopting convenient bed fellows, it's a dangerous dangerous line to walk. >> rose: we conclude this evening with bill maher with real time with bill maher and hbo. >> the situation we have now is intolerable. how could we possibly have a congress with an approval rating of 10% and sometimes lower.m÷ant are returned. there's something terribly wrong

with that. marin . cilic, clarissa ward, tim arango and bill maher when we continue. >> there's a saying around here: you stand behind what you say. around here, we don't make excuses, we make commitments. and when you can't live up to them, you own up and make it right. some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where it's needed most. but i know you'll still find it, when you know where to look. >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg. a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide.

captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. he's the 2014 u.s. open tennis champion and devoted in straight sets last night. here is a look at match point. >> ladies and gentlemen, your 2014 u.s. open champion marin cilic. >> rose: he beat roger on

semi finals in three dominant sets. at 25 he's one of the small one tingent of players vying to be counted among the game's elite alongside nidal, djokovic and federerer. i'm pleased to have him at this table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you, thank you very much. thank you for having me. >> rose: we love tennis and we want to congratulate you. we just saw the video. at match point, what were you thinking? >> well, i had match point before that one in four love and in my hand i was shaking. i missed five feet the second serve. and the second one i just tried to relax and go for it and it went in. so it was huge emotions. >> rose: just the culmination of all that you've worked for. >> absolutely. i mean, to go back and to think about how much it means to me and how much i was working for

this all my life just hoping i'm going to make it one day to lift this trophy. especially at this year of all the time greats, it's federerer, nidal, djokovic and it seems almost unreal for me. >> rose: who had been your tennis heroes. >> goran ivanisovic. >> rose: of course your coach. he selected your only cove for you. >> i met him when i was 14. he was recovering from his shoulder injury in 2002 and 2001 he won the wimbledon champions.

he forwarded me to his coach for many years. >> rose: what did he do for you. >> goran this last year that we worked together brought special things to me and most of all belief in myself and in the game that's working for, work for so much in the off season and also this year to change my mind set to believe in what i have to do to try to become very dangerous and to try to use all of my potential. in the beginning of the easen it wasn't easy. my mind was keeping me back, trying to play like i used to play. and it was this ongoing battle which i broke through somewhere in the middle of the season. >> rose: what was the battle? >> it was battle in myself, whether this change is good, it's fine.

>> rose: to accept the change. >> to accept the change and to see that this is the right way for me. and once i went for it, i felt that my game suddenly reached another step and another peak and with everybody in the team sort of we felt that the resuls were going to come. >> rose: was it primary your serve or the attitude. >> the attitude and not to back off from my game, from aggressive approach. before in my career, i was kind of a player to, that i was thinking a lot in tactical parts. it was big preoccupation in my mind to do everything tactically and was less preoccupied to play my own game. this shift is amazing. >> rose: lots of players now are boeing coached by former

champions those hat have been at the top. do they bring mental change is that what they add to your game. >> what helped me the most what helped now is goran went through all of this in his career many times. he played four times in the grand slam final and i was absolutely sure he's going to give me right advice. i don't need to question myself, i don't need to think about anything, just let myself be in his hands and just before the match even i think he gave me probably the best advice but te most simple before i went into the court to enjoy out there, i deserved. he said you're going to be very nervous and the other guy's going to be very nervous but feel the game and try to compete well. >> rose: did you enjoy it. >> absolutely.

first four or five games. >> rose: you were a little nervous at the beginning, my hand was shaking. i wasn't sure how it was going to end up but i was lucky to get a first break, i was serving really well and that helped me to get that advantage. >> rose: who give you the most difficulty among the single players. >> djokovic. >> rose: why is that. >> it's good. i love him ten times. i never bitten him. >> rose: take us through what happened to you about the banned substance. my question was is it in some way a blessing in disguise because it gave you motivation, it gave you time to work on your game in a different way. >> i think so. it was for me new start. when i was going through that process first of all when i went

through that, i knew nothing else is going to be as difficult for me in my life, in my tennis career than that. and that made me extremely mental tougher and on the courses, and at the gym i was working really really hard and just by going through that process i wanted to come back much stronger, much more motivated but most of all first tournament i was playing after that, i felt so joyful on the courts just hitting some balls. i didn't even think, i didn't even bother if i'm going to win or lose, it was just pure joy. >> rose: what happened to you is un beknowing to you had eaten something or taken something that turned out on the test. >> yes. thing was usually i was always taking my glucose and i ran out of it and over there i was in

monaco and got some glucose over there, tablets. i didn't check them accidently and ingested some substance. but what it was sort of hidden from the media andthroughout al. this substance is banned only in competition and it's allowed out of competition. and when i took it, it was out of competition. and by the time i made the test five days after in a tournament, i lost the first match of the tournament so i didn't influence anybody. i didn't make anybody lose because of that. and only in my system was found metabolites of that substance, which are completely inactive and these metabolites were showing that this substance was in the past in the system which is out of competition. and if i would have, you know,

checked the substance i see it's on the list, it's out of competition and be completely allowed for me to take it. and when we found out about that, it was already long in the process three months after i went already through the first hearing and even in the notification letter from the itf i received i was positive on the main substance which wasn't found in my system. that was really difficult to deal with and finally i got away out of that. even on the last hearing, it was decision was made in my favor and i also received financial, some financial help from the opposing side. >> rose: and you appealed. >> yes. >> rose: what makes the

champion? >> everything what he does. out of the court, on the court and being able to day after day push himself much more and more. are and it's ongoing process that it's never ending, it's your just trying to maximize your potential and even though if you would, i mean for the number one players in the world, they are still always trying to perform better, trying to be better and that's what's the beauty of the sport. and for the champions they never accept the failure and i feel they are not easy on themselves. they are very hard working and they know their goals and they are really working to -- >> rose: these qualities you have early on in your life, this is not something you pick up

when you're 17. >> yeah. it's not. but i was blessed with the talent to work and talent to learn. and i learned a lot from bob brett, my long time coach and he teach me about the game almost everything and he is probably one of the best coaches in the world in a tactical way, psychological physical way. and just he learned my mind set how to read the game. >> rose: when did you know it was tennis you wanted to devote your life to. >> 14 years old. >> rose: oh really, 14. >> 14. >> rose: that's because you knew you were good, you had talent, people told you had the potential to be a champion. >> yes. and i had to choose. i'm coming from a he very small

town no tradition for tennis, no options, no big tennis centers. i had to choose to continue to my school or to go to the capitol to continue my training and my tennis. so i picked that and iall of myn interesting way is that to all those people out there who watched you yesterday, that if you work hard, you have a chance. >> yes, absolutely. especially in sports and tennis particularly, you are there on your own and many guys that are around top 20, top 30 and even the lower rank players they are just missing small bits and it's always difficult to motivate yourself after. >> rose: that's the top rank

player and not top rank is a small thing. >> yes, for sure. very very small thing. because today everybody in top 30, 40, even top hundred knowho. the best ones have the best abilities and they know the game the best and they have everything they need to have to be at the top. but still if you are looking at some players like mofice who was ranked number 25 for and he made it to quarter finals and then he had so much guys that are ranked around 30 or even 40 that's really know how to play tennis. >> rose: congratulations again. i mean it was remarkable. roger rederer in three sets and again winning the championship in three sets remarkable even you i suspect didn't imagine it would be that easy. >> no, never. and to play best tennis of my

life in the last three matches of the tournament i couldn't have dreamed that. >> rose: it was the best tennis of your life. >> absolutely, yes. >> rose: do you know, i can't wait having listened to you in this conversation the next time you play novak that's where i'd like to be because you probably have more confidence now. >> i feel much more confident now and with this victory i gained perspective for my mind that what i do is good and it's really good and it's going to be enough to win against the best guys. even this year i had with novak very few, very tough matches. we played when i was there, two sets one up. stripped that but i'm feeling that i'm very very close to many more of those matches. >> rose: the message from this interview is watch out novak. >> yes, hopefully, hopefully yes.

>> rose: come back to see us at the table. it's a pleasure. >> thank you. it was a pleasure to be here and hopefully i'll be back. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: we continue our series of conversations about isis this evening,

here is their interview. >> the recruits tried to flee but it was too late. isis had arrived. later the recruits are paraded in public view marching toward their death. >> rose: i'm pleased to have both of them back at this table. welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: so the president has an important speech to make. what's the imperative of the moment as you see it. >> well, the imperative of the moment is to dealgvu)ur this not

just this group on a military level that we know as isis but to deal with this toxic ideology which is spreading like wild fire. and infecting particularly young disaffected men not only in the middle east but we're seeing now much more in the west. and that i think has to be considered in tandem with any military strategy going forward. you've got to tackle the ideology, and obviously us in the west and american government can't be the one leading that charge. that needs to come from within the muslim community. >> i think for the president the i -- imperative is explaining o the american people why we should go on a military adventure again in iraq. we never done that and it's turned out for the best. so he has to explain that. i think that's his imperative. >> rose: do you think he obviously in that statement taking a huge risk to do what he

seems prepared to do. it's not all in because he's not talking with american troops there. >> they talk about the iraqi army and training the iraqi again. we did that for ten years and it was a absolute failure. they walked away and took theiry

americans have said we're not going to do more in terms of the military operations unless you

form an exclusive government and treat the sunnis and kurds as participants in the politics of iraq. >> rose: there's a split among people who come to this table. >> i feel strongly about that and i know as journalist you're not supposed to have strong feelings about this. let's look at the optic of the situation. you have more than 200,000 people who have been savagely, brutally murdered over the course of three years by this man, this despot, this dictator. then you have, and the u.s. has not done that much from the ground there hasn't been action from the international community. then isis comes along and then within a short period of time, a few months we're talk big air strike, there's a huge sense of momentum, we need to address this issue which is absolutely right. but imagine now you're a sunni muslim, okay. you don't support isis but you still very feel strongly that assad is evil and has committed war crimes.

there is no way you can just let this man and this regime off the hook without alien eighting sunni muslims. i have moderate sunni muslim friends saying if you get into bed with assad you're looking at moderates putting off suicide bombs and launching revenge attacks. that's how strongly people feel about this. this reputation that we sometimes have for just you know adopting convenient bed fellows, it's a dangerous dangerous line to walk. >> isis, everyone thinks it's come from no where. that's the perception among a lot of people. we used to call isis -- >> rose: right. >> it's the same thing. assad has a lot to do with allowing al-qaeda and iraq to flourish during the american occupation because he was worried the americans would come for him next. so there were safe houses in the border run by syrian

intelligence helping the foreign fighters to come in and join al-qaeda and'b iraq and isis against the americans. >> you see eastern iraq and rocco which is the hq of christ. when you compare to day in day out relentless bombardment, you haven't seen that kind of show of force or attack. for a long time isis was a very convenient tool for us. he continued to divide the opposition. but i think ultimately it will come back to bite him in the you know what. >> what if he went all in with -- >> rose: talk about that. >> the u.s. and iran are sort of dancing around each other on the same side in iraq saying they're not coordinating. but you have the american war planes in the sky and the iranian militia. >> rose: somebody pointed

out. >> -- on the battle. these are the best fighters in iraq the shi'a militia that iran supports. the americans were bombing and the americans coordinate the air strikes with the iraqi army on the ground and i'm sure they're with the iranians so it's through the iraqi army or the kurdish forces so they are sort of working together. and the other ironic thing showing how much of a disaster iraq is and how dramatic this changes. those militia were the primary enemies of the americans in 2011. they were the ones that were killing the americans as they were packing up and leaving these very powerful id's that were traced to factories in iran. >> rose: he's actually in iraq. >> that day. he goes everywhere back and forth but on that particular day. >> he was in baghdad in june as well i remember when mosul first

fell. it comes back to the bed fellows. why do we have to be getting involved. obviously there's a clear compelling reason why isis needs to be taken down so to speak. but why do we have to throw ourselves, throw our weight.> i feel like there's this pend lump effect where we sort of throw our weight behind these guys and throw our weight behind the other?guys who need to be dh this saudi arabia, turkey, qatar. >> rose: those are situations taking place certainly. >> yes, in turkey trying to get them. that's a top sell right now because they're on turkish diplomats isis is holding. so that's why it was not supportive of the air strikes but privately i've been told he encourages it. >> rose: tell me about the conversations you've had with the guy had survived. >> that was a pretty amazing experience. i went to his house twice in southern iraq. the first time i showed up, he

was picking dates in his uncle's orchard and he was moving on with his life. i think by that time he was sort of eager to tell his story and it was just a gripping gripping story. i hadn't seen a video yet because i know the journalists had done the video interview. i learn a lot not just about his story and how much ofit was butr great example of how much a disaster the iraqi army was. i didn't realize this at this time but he was on a american -- isis was coming down towards crete and they freaked out. they say their officers told them drop your weapons put on your track suits and record sandals and just walk out the door. they were told that the local tribes would protect them. and you saw all those men walking down the street. the really sad irony is the bases fell. all they had to do was stay in their home, stay in their base.

maliki went there a couple weeks ago so it never fell. i think they were tricked. i think the local tribes took part in the massacre. there's lots of allegations and evidence to back that up. and it sort of brought us back to the days of saddam hussein, and this is on the grounds of saddam hussein's palace allegedly with some of his tribes. >> rose: who is it you've been talking to. >> i've been talking to a broad spectrum of western jihaddists who are inside syria and iraq some of them fighting with isis and some fighting for lesser known groups which frankly in a couple months they'll cease to exist because there's really one act in town these days. it's very interesting to see. i talked a lot to one australian, a young guy and the way he talks and the rhetoric he

uses, there's a lot to me that's sore of reminiscent of okay if he had grown up in south central maybe he would have joined a gang and maybe this fills the space as a sense of fraternity or belonging or purpose and feeling very disaffected and disenfranchised within your own community÷ at home. so idealally on a lot of these conversations we have to be careful going ahead at how we look to militants some of them want to come back to the west and of course many of them have perpetrated war crimes and are mentally unsound and clearly need to be punished for whatever it is that they've done. but there are others who perhaps have gotten themselves into a situation that they now can't really get out of because it's kind of become bigger than them.

there's a lot of naivety there. i hope as governments go ahead with especially the europeans in terms of working out how to deal with these young men both in their communities, when they're coming home, when they might be leaving, that they try to keep in mind two things. these are in many cases fragile young men who are extremely psychologically vulnerable to the kind of ease and simplicity of the isis message. so therefore i think we need to look a lot at deradicallization and that's sort of a process. because simply taking away somebody's passports isn't necessarily going to be the answer going ahead here. and the other thing that is important to take into consideration such as i interviewed this european, he went to fight the assad regime

and to defend the÷when he saw tr jihaddists, he said i've got to go to paradise and then i'll go to hell because i killed another muslim. as he goes back to europe i would ask the question what more powerful deternal is there for another young would be jihady sitting in some european country than his testimony. i think governments are going to have a very very tough line to walk as they decide which of these guys they need to throw in prison and when it's best to take an absolute hard line. and which of them can maybe be rehabilitated and end up being a really important and valuable voice that can hospitalfully try to pull some of these other guys away from isis. >> rose: yes it hard to train the iraqi army. >> one is corruption and it's so

deeply rooted in the culture and society. let's very wide spread. and a you can buy general positions. there's militia jobs so there's many of the soldiers who they get there monthly salary and half of it goes to their commanding officer. they never show up. so there's that. and there's also just an identity issue, you know, are you going to fight for your country or are you goingqfight . the iraqi army especially the sunnis were considered a foreign occupying force in province and places like that. but there's the other thing where nobody down the chain is empowered to make decisions, it's only the generals. and let's throughout iraqi5ei5e3 society and that's the legacy of saddam. there's no like nco's and people like that who can make decisions down the line. >> rose: thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: thank you.

>> thank you. >> rose: you guys make us proud to be in this profession. so thank you for coming back and stopping by this table. back in a moment. stay with us. bill maher is here, he's a comedian host of real time with bill maher. politico described him as a pugnacious debarrett with an ascerbic wit now in it's 12th season. here's a look at his trademark new rules segment. >> new rules. americans must take the rest of the summer to contemplate the fact that we get far less vacation time than any other civilized country which is maybe why on the world happiness index we're down at number 17. have you ever wondered for example where every australian you meet is 20 times happier

than you've ever been? i have never met a

keep my job. >> oh, you're a waste of good luck. like a nun with a huge rat. >> rose: i'm pleased to have bill maher back at this table. i differ with you on that. hey, you work hard. >> i do. >> rose: but it's because you love the work. >> exactly. we're very lucky to do the work. they shouldn't call it work. it should only be called work if it's something you don't really want to do. i'm sure when you were younger you had those kind of jobs. i worked at arthur preacher's fish and chips, i through triangle pieces of fish material into boiling batter. my arm all burned. >> rose: did you work at a retail store. >> yes, i stocked the a and p. >> rose: tell me where you are today. >> where they always were. i think i'm right about everything of course. sometimes i think i'm mostly caucus with the liberals shall we say but i also upset my own

audience as well because they boo me. i have my open audience in l.a. >> rose: a touch of libertarian in you. >> actually. i think there's a touch of libertarian in everybody. we were just talk big this before we went on, they don't know what they are. first i hate the word liberal around the country. they don't know they're more progressive than they think they are. >> rose: the idea is liberal for them they hatebecauseyq it s soft. >> yes, soft and crime soft on war. >> rose: unpatriotic. >> unpatriotic hate america first. i think this is one problem that the president faces is that the people are way more with him on policy than they know. i don't think they really want to get into another war in iraq, but the republicans are like do something and he'll confronted them and say what should i be sending troops. no not that, then what. they really just want him to talk like john wayne, they want

bluster. >> rose: it's not like him to talk like john wayne. >> no. we that for eight years. we had president charles in charge who was constantly talking like a cowboy and it didn't do anything. >> rose: the president he's going through now facing the reality of isis and when you think about that your politics were in part defined by what, you. >> well i think i've, on the air for almost ten years with politically incorrect when that happened. certainly changed the country, changed everybody in it, changed me. it was for me to change networks. >> rose: not your choice was it. >> no but it worked out. i'm glad it did. worked out that way. >> rose: it must have been god. >> if you want to get into that charlie, we can but i'm just not going to let that float by this because we know it wasn't that. but as far as obama goes, you know, i think i will be treated

in history very kindly. >> rose: do you. >> absolutely. every president of course at the time, and he's dealing obviously with thing that no other president had to ever deal with. >> rose: first the economy and now. >> right. they hate him in a way they never hate before. >> rose: how much do you think is that. >> a considerable amount, they will never recognize it or admit it but it is that. there's a certain in your face in your space disrespect that this president has had to put up with like being heckeled at the state of union or the governor of the state of arizona when they stuck her finger in her÷ face or bill riley. they were awful to clinton too and he was the first black president as we know.

history will be kind to him because the economy was horrible when he took or we were losing 750,000 jobs a month. the automobile industry which obviously mitt romney and other republicans wanted to let die on the vine. just think of the psychological effect if general motors had gone under. forget the economic effect. think obama's greatest quality has been calm. i think he's the calmest president we have ever had. you know, he drives them nuts. they don't drive him nuts. >> rose: that's true. he seems not to. i mean he seems to sort of float above it. >> he works on his own timetable. he never lets thm i don't work on a 24 hour clock he tells the media, i don't work on the republican clock with foreign affairs. are there things i would like for him to have done better sooner quicker more. yes i would love it if his economic policy was more like

elizabeth warren's. >> rose: you like her. >> yes, i wish she would run. >> rose: do you wish she would run against hillary. >> yes. i think the president has so many things on his plate. he does seem to get to them. gay marriage he got to it. pot, i'm hopeful he's going to get to that. the environment he somehow is both the most accomplished president on the environment and still falls way short. but that's that kind of issue, that's that big. >> rose: when you look, why do you think the popular is so low though. this is not just in his own party. >> because pokle are dummies they don't know what's going on. >> rose: there you go blaming the public. >> i should blame the public, look at the polling look at things they believe. >> rose: they are idiots. >> they're absolute idiots, they have no idea. they don't even know if they're liberal or conservative. they don't even know who controlls the house. >> rose: would you rather be

judged by the first hundred names in the boston phone book or the harvard faculty. >> the harvard faculty. absolutely. >> rose: rather be subjected then the names than the harvard faculty. >> because you had nothing in common with harvard faculty anded more with john q. public out there. a lie. by the yacht, he's going to be judged by the hundred names, right. silly. >> rose: back to you in terms of how have you evolved. whqown politics. you were very strong on the threat of fundamental i was jihaddism. >> i still am. liberals should stop bo.

ing me that islam is not another religion. >> rose: it's not islam you're against. >> all religious are stupid. it's hard for me to believe you actually believe in these intellectual he to embarrassing enactnisms. the bible supports slavery which is propolygamy when believes -- >> rose: as you know from this program it's more based on science. >> i saw him on tv the other day and he said ag long the order people in isis he says i'm about as islamic as they are distancing the vast numbers of islamic people around the world. that's just not true. >> rose: it is true. >> it is not true, charlie. there is a connecting tissue between. >> rose: behind every muslim is a future member of some

radical. >> let me finish. >> rose: i was doing that. >> there are ill liberalúb belis this held by vast numbers of muslim people. >> rose: vast number of christians too. >> no, that's not true. vast numbers of christians do not believe that if you leave the christian religion you should be killed for it. vast numbers of christians do not treat women as second class citizens. vast numbers of christians -- >> rose: i agree. >> -- do not believe if you draw a picture of jesus christ you should get killed for it. so yes, does isis do activities where they just kill people indiscriminately who isn't just like them yes. would most muslim people do that or condone that, no. but motion muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. first of all they say it. >> rose: the vast majority. >> absolutely. there's a poll done on egypt a few years ago 82% i think it was said stoning is the appropriate

punishment for adultery. over 80% that death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the muslim religion. i'm sure you know these things. >> rose: well i do. but i don't believe -- >> it's not like other religious, it's just naive and plain wrong. it is not like other religious. "new york times" pointed out in an op ed a couple weeks ago in saudi arabia just since august 4th i think it was, they have beheaded 19 people. most for non-violent crimes including homosexuality. so we're upset that isis, is beheading people which we should be upset about but saudi arabia does it and they're our good friends because they have oil. okay. but they do it too. this is the center of the religion. >> rose: they're now fighting against isis too. they're joining us in the fight

as is the emirates. it's a like qatar, the big story today about qatar. and some guy there is supporting the muslim. >> in mecca where non-muslims are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. right there, we don't have that example in other religions. they do behead people. now if they were beheading people in vatican city which isf the equivalent of mecca, don't you think there would be a bigger outcry about it. so this is the soft bigotry and they do crazy things it's not talked about near e as much. >> rose: would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate muslim. >> find one, yes. >> rose: i promise you i'll find one. >> find a muslim -- >> rose: i do believe what we see with isis is not

representative of -- >> as i said connecting tissue. no. >> rose: of the islamic religion. the koran doesn't teach them to do that. >> the koran has absolutely on every page stuff that's horrible about how the infidels should be treated. but for example again isis says that we should, they should perform genital not mice on all i'm 11-46. would muslims believe in that no or carry it out, no. can you really say women are treated equally in the muslim world. their testimony in court is very often counted as half. they need permission to leave the house in some places. >> rose: but ãlot of moderate, moderate muslims would say in fact one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women. >> but in this country, if you

just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. and all these other countries. >> rose: as they should. >> they're doing things like making them wear burgers and i hear liberals saying they want to. it's like saying a street walker wants to do that. >> rose: you do something called winning loser and you got the district campaigns. >> yes. >> rose: take a look at this. roll tape. >> now the moment you've all been waiting for as we reveal the last member of our district final four. mike kaufmann, this is your political life. that's right, mike is a deep red conservative trying to keep pace with a district that's turning purple and smoking green. he once said that obama is just not an american. wow, you'd have to be high to re-elect a guy like that. so here's the menu. now it's up to you order. do you want john klein -- or

mike kaufmann. over the next month let us know which of those bloated ticks on american's hides needs to be burnt off with the mighty cigarette of democracy. the winning loser will be revealed as soon as we return at our special washington d.c. edition on september 12st. >> rose: september 12th which is a couple days from now. >> yes friday night we reveal the big loser or the winner. >> rose: what happens if you are the big winning loser. >> for the next couple months until election day i will be in that district. not every week but i will be there. >> rose: to stand up and the money you raise will support -- >> it's not about money i just want to shine aone person and sn affect change in one district and if we can change it in one place maybe the idea will catch on. because the situation we have now is just intolerable. how could we possibly have a congress with an approval rating at 10% or sometimes lower, and yet over 90% of incumbents are

returned. there's something terribly wrong with that and of course what's wrong with that is money, too much money in the system and too much gerrymandering. and congressmen don't have to be good because their seats are only those districts in which they're not safe seats but districts in which there's a competitive race otherwise you don't want to be spinning your wheels. >> right. blake, see, he's a good example of gerrymandering. he squeaked by. a lot of the latinos were out. he's down in corpus christie. i have to look at the polling. >> rose: you're off and running to do next time, the general election you'll do in 2016. >> i don't know. this is more about putting an

idea out there i'm not looking to be a political operative i'm a cheateddian who is a citizen as weqñ if i feel something strongly about something, i don't feel bad about doing my citizenry rights. >> rose: we had two comedians die in the last month, robin williams and joan rivers. >> bad month for comedians. hope it doesn't go in threes. i didn't know either one of them well. >> rose: you raved robin for being on your show. >> i worked with both of them you know. they just seemed like really good people. robin certainly, that was a shock i think to everybody, even his close friends didn't see that coming. and that's because he was such a nice guy, i think he didn't want to burden people with it. i mean talk about a functioning depressive. never late on the set, y neverthrew a tantrum, never ry let on what he was going

through. >> rose: these are qualities of a depressive. never late. >> well no, i'm just saying if you are going through so much in your life that you would kill yourself, you'd think it might bleed a little bit into your professional life. you might be late for work one day. no. i mean it came as a shock to everybody. now what i would like them to look into in the future is, i don't know what anti-depressant drugs he was on if any and i think people need to look at that because drugs cause you want to skill yourself. they say on the commercial this may want to make you kill yourself. mick jagger's girlfriend also may have been on anti-depressive drugs, i don't know. people having this much going for them with this much help would take it to this degree. i think we in general use way too many drugs especially on children. )twe put children on drugs wayen

handle. and then they have a brain that's you know looking for, as they get older, mood altering substances. we wonder why there's a drug problem. >> rose: the country is turn away on marijuana. >> it's about charlie. >> rose: faster than same sex marriage in terms of velocity. >> well because same sex marriage there will always be a hard core against that becauseae bible it's a religious country. >> rose: christian bible. >> more in the old testament. but marijuana, marijuana's actually a uniter of an issue because hippies smoke not and hill billies smoke pot. willie nelson, you'll find it on snoop dogg's butt. so it's sort of the ultimate purple issue i think, marijuana. and i think people just understand after all this time. it is the least harmful of all the drugs you could use.

it is so much more benign than alcohol which obviously causes so much destruction and that's legal. >> rose: it may even be good ma listally. >> it's definitely good medicinally. for whatever i have it works great. >> rose: are you in good health.5s>> rose: no depression nothing. >> no, not all comedyians are like that. i've read a lot about on you we're all crying. >> rose: as an idea that's not true. people you know who are good at what you do, they didn't come from some terribly unhappy place. >> comedians i think are generally like everybody else. there are ones that would fit that description and ones who don't. maybe in the comedy world it's more prevalent to have people who have craziness in their head because come on look what we're doing for a living. but i also know lots of people. jerry seinfeld is on our show friday night in washington he's a sane a solid person as i know. >> rose: what do you think of

stephen colbert. >> i don't know what he's like without the character. i don't know what he's like as himself. i don't think many people do. >> rose: good to see you. >> you too charlie, thanks. >> rose: bill maher will be in washington d.c., i don't have it but tell us. >> december 12th, live show then running across literally to another theatre to do a live stand up special. it's kind of a stunt, kind of a dare and i wish i hadn't said i was going to do it but now i have to go through with it. >> rose: there you go. >> i better take my gingsing. >> rose: thank you for joining us.d join us on pbs and charlie rose dot succumb. com. captioning sponsored by

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