>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with a conversation from davos swirsland with jack ma. he's the founder and chairman of the alibaba group and the richest man in china. >> i believe if you have one million dollars that's your money. $20 million you still have poverty. when you have one billion dollars that's not your money. that's what society keeps on you. they believe you can manage the money, use the money better than the government. so i think today resources do more things, with the money we have with the influence we have we should spend more time on young people. >> rose: we conclude this

evening with hider al-abadi the prime minister of iraq. >> it is within the government and we have regular meetings for the leadership of the country and we have a very good relationship among the iraqi institutions. the executive which is the government on parliament. i think this has benefited us and has facilitated a lot. >> rose: jack ma and the prime minister of iraq next. >> rose: additional funding provided by:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: jack ma founded alibaba out of his apartment in china 16 years awe go. today it is the largest e commerce company in the world, over 1010 million buyers go to a site each day. last year transactions totaled $248 billion more than e-bay and amazonmthey went public issuing stock. the ipo was the largest in history and made him the richest person in china. i spoke with jack ma at the economic forum in switzerland. here is that conversation.

how big is alibaba. how many people come in a day, how many come in a week. how fast is it growing. >> we have over 100 million buyers shopping our site every day. and we create -- >> rose: 100 million every day. >> we created 14 million jobs for china directly and indirectly. and we grow from 18 people to 30,000 people. 18 people in my apartment to now we have full big campus. compared to 15 years ago we were big. but compared to 15 years later we're still big. >> rose: how big will you be 15 years from a now. >> i think 16 years ago i told my team that 15 years in the past 15 years, we grow from nothing to this size.

15 years later i want people to know about alibaba because it's already everywhere. i want 15 years ago when we talk about what is e commerce. why small business can using this e commerce internet can do business across the nation. i hope 15 years later peopleio forget about e commerce because they think it's like electricity. nobody thinks it's high tech today. this is something that i don't want 15 years later we still walk on the street talking about why and how e commerce can help people. >> rose: talking about the ipo. did it exceed your expectations? >> that's a pretty small ipo 250. >> rose: the largest ipo in the history. and number two with the chinese bank. >> thank you. i remember year 2001 we went to

raise some 5 million for indenture capitalists in the usa. and i said we come back raising a little bit more. but i think what we think more about for $25 billion how we can spend the money efficiently because this is not money this is the trust from the world. the trust from a those people. they want better jobs to help more people. they want to have a good return. so i think low pressure was when our market cap is a big idea we're one of the top 10, 15 largest market cap company in the world. i told my team and myself is

that true? we're not that good because years ago alibaba was terrible. have this and that all the big bad things because amazon's better e-bay's better google's better. there's no such model like alibaba in the usa. i told myself we are better. but today when we are that big size i said no, we're not that good as peoplewe're just a company 15 years old.laverage age is 27, 28 years. people doing something that human being have never tried. >> rose: you true up in the 60's. 64. that was the culture revolution. >> it was the end of the culture

revolution. liberation was considered a bad guy so i was, i know how tough it was jp when i was kid.>> rose: you tried to get into three colleges. each time they rejected you. >> i tried the examination. the young people, if you want to go to university take the examination. l.t? i took it three times.i failed for funny things. i failed key primary school test two times and i failed like three times for the middle schools. and in my city there's only one native school that blocked only one year. it was changed from primary school middle school because graduates of our school mow middle school accepted because

we were too bad. >> rose: what effect did it have being rejected? >> i think we have to get used to it.we're not that good. even today we still have a lot of people reject us. i think graduating from university and for three years i tried universities. i applied jobs. 30 times i got rejected. i went for police they say no you're not good. i went to even the kfc. when kfc come to china. 24 people went for the job. 23 people accepted. [laughter] and we went for police. five people, four were accepted. i was the only guy. so for me, they turned down,

rejected. oh, by the way i told you i applied for harvard, ten times rejected. >> rose: ten times you wrote them and said i'd like to come to harvard. >> yeah. i told myself some day i should go teach there. [laughter] >> rose: i thinkarranged. richard nixon came through. >> yes. >> rose: tourists flooded the place. >> yes. >> rose: that's how.%learned english. >> yeah. i really liked, i don't know why at 12 13 years old i suddenly fell into the language of english. there is no place you can learn english at that time. there's no books english books. so i went to the hotel can receive the foreign visitors. every morning for nine years i

showed them around as a free guide and they taught me english. and i think that changed me. today i'm 100% trained in china. i never got train outside china. when people talk and say jack how can you speak english like that. why you talk like western guys. im think that was the nine years. these western tourists opened my mind because everything they told me are so different from the things i learned from the schools. and from my parents. so now i have a habit. whatever i see i use my mind. think about it. >> rose: is that how how this retained jack ma. >> the name was given by a lady, she's a tourist came here and she become friends. it is so difficult to pronounce.

so she said you have english name. it's okay keep the english name. she said okay.o she said my father called jack, my husband called jack. what do you think about jack. i said good. [laughter] >> rose: first visit to america 1995. >> 1995, yes. i come here for a project helping the local government to building up highway. >> rose: and you tried the internet. >> i tried the internet in seattle. and in a building called u.s. bank. i don't know whether u.s. bank still there or not. but it's a building and my friend opened an office not much bigger than this room and set a computer there. he said jack this is internet. i asked what is internet.

he said search whatever you want. at that time they use mosaic, very slow. and i said i don't use it. i don't want to touch because computer is so expensive in china. if i destroy it, i cannot pay. he said just search it. so i searched the first word beer. [laughter] i don't know. and i see beer from germany, beers from usa, beers from japan. but there's no beer from china. i say okay tried the second word china. no data. >> rose: nothing. >> nothing. >> rose: 1995. >> 1995. no data about china. so i talked to my friend. why not i make something about china. so we made a small very ugly looking page called china. it's something like i did a translation listed on there. it was so shocking.

we launched it at 9:14 in the morning. 12:30 i@m got funny call from my friend. e-mail. i said what is e-mail. he said these are the things people send. where are you. if this is the first time i seen a chinese website on that. can we do something together. so i say this is something interesting. we should do it. >> rose: why do you call it alibaba. >> alibaba? well, when i started, i think internet is global. we should have a global name. and i named interesting like the best name is yahoo. i think i've been thinking for many days, alibaba is a good name. i happened to be in san francisco and it launched and i asked him do you know about alibaba. she said yes. what is alibaba. she said open sesame.

good. so i went down the street ask people. they all know about alibaba 40 seas and open sesame. and i think this is a good name. and started with a whatever you talk about alibaba is on top. [laughter] >> rose: you have said before in creating alibaba, you had to create trust. >> yes. >> rose: because people in china were used to face to face. >> yes. >> rose: how did you create trust? >> i think because we started a business internet. i don't know you, you don't know me. how can you do things on-line unless you trust. so for e commerce, the most important thing was trust. when i first went to usa for raising money, a venture capital a lot of people think oh jack

no no. china do business how can you do business in internet. i know you have to trust thesystem the credit system is impossible to do business. so in the past 14 years everything you do is trying to build up the trust system. the record system. well charlie, you know, i'm so proud today when i china and the world people don't trust everybody. the people everybody. but with e commerce we finish 16 million transactions every day. people don't know each other. i don't know you you send products to you. you don't know me you wire the money to me. i don't know you. i don't know him. he took something to sell across the ocean, across the river.

we have at least 60 million trust happening every day. >> rose: you did it by creating an escrow in the beginning. you held the money until you got the product. >> yes. that's the services we pay. it was a big division. first three years alibaba is just e marketplace for information. what he have, what i have, we talk a lot of time but don't do any business. there was no payment. i talked to the banks. no banks wanted to about it. these never work. if i start to launch a system it's against the financial legal world because you have to have a license. if i don't do it, e commerce would go no where. so i went toz#avos and listened

to leadership. leadership is about responsibility. and after i listened to their panel, i give a call to my friend. my colleagues and say do it now. immediately. if something wrong the government not happy about that. if one body go to the prison jack ma go to the prison. because it's so important for china and for the world to be able to trust a system. if you do not do it properly, the money wash, no trust, i send you to prison. and people don't like it. so many people i talked to at that time this is the stupidest idea you have ever got. but i think, i don't have

stupidest idea as long as people use it. ali-pay. >> rose: that's not part of allah be. >> no. >> rose: you have never gotten money from the chinas government. >> no. >> rose: none. >> i wantedit but then i don't want it. because if the company always think about taking money out of the government pockets that company is rubbish. think about it. how can you make money from the customers and market and have customers. >> rose: no money from chinese banks. >> no. at that time i want and now they're going to give me, i don't want it. [laughter] >> rose: all right. your relationship with the government. i mean here's what some say. that you had existed in an environment that's not, they have restricted competition for you. and that's a pretty good thing to do for a private company.

>> yeah. i think the relationship with the government, it's very interesting. first five years, i think work as a part time job for a government organization ministry of foreign trade. 1997. so 14 months. and i learned that you should never like government organization to do e commerce. and i started business, i told my people and team in love with the government don't marry them. [laughter] respect them and arx lot of people say wow government officers are talking censorship and this and that. it's an opportunity, it's a responsibility talking to them. tell me how internet can help. >> rose: you tell them we create jobs. >> oh yeah. i think a lot of people debate and fight against them.

in the first 12 years anybody come to my office i sit down talking to them. how we can help economy. how we can create jobs. why china would improve by the internet. i think because internet at that time is new to any government. and if you have somebody you have to choose. so today i'm very talkative. that probably this is why i talk to so many people. >> rose: so the government comes to you and asks you to do something for them. >> normally, when government comes say jack, can you do this project, i say no. i say no. i can introduce some friends who are interested in doing that for you. but if they continue to want me to do it, i say okay i do it but i don't want i don't charge. i hope next time don't come to me again. but recently we have some

government organizers. for example, every spring festival, the train station, it is so difficult. hundreds and thousands of farmers work in the cities in the spring festival they go to the home town. but when they order tickets on the whole system crashed. for five years. so i told my young people go support them. don't charge anything. because i don't want to see millions of farmers go back to cities and they cannot buy their tickets. so it's something that it's not for money. it's something like it's not for the government it's for the millions of people. they can buy tickets in a snowy night and they don't! have to wait. they just buy on-line and get ticket. >> rose: one stop along the route to where you were that big ipo was yahoo.

they invested a billion dollars. >> yes. >> rose: it turned out to be a pretty good investment. >> yes. >> rose: but one time after another you raised this money on your own outside of china with investors. >> yeah. i'm very thankful for all the investors because 1999, year 2000 and even yahoo came, a lot of people say this jack is crazy. he's doing something that we don't understand. a lot of venture capitals give you money because there's such an american model always being compared. but alibaba we don't see this kind of model. >> rose: they say jack's crazy. >> this is crazy guy. i remember my first time in "time" magazine they call me crazy jack. and i think crazy's good. i may be crazy but i'm not stupid. [laughter] we know what we're doing. if everybody agrees with me, if

everybody believe my idea is good we have no chance. so the money we raise we're very thankful. so when our investors make a lot of money. >> rose: in the united states there's issue about privacy. google and apple and questionsof whether the government should have access to files. how do you handle that if the chinese government says you know a lot about people. you have transactional relationships with lots of people. and they said we want to see your files. >> well so far i don't haveú?aoxz kind of problems about china's government. and i told them any government if younational security anti-terrorist, anywhere anti-terrorist will work together. if a criminal we'll work. but the rest of that no. i said we are business. the data's so precious because

we do know how if we give to anybody it's going to be a disaster. also about privacy issues i think just like hundreds of years ago people say i would rather put the money under my pillow rather than put in the banks. but today banks are special they know how to prepare the money much better than you do. privacy issues. all this kind of securities today, we may not have solutions. we don't have the answers. but i believe our young people have the solutions. in the next 20 to 30 years there will be break through on that and i'm truly confident on that. >> rose: your life is a testament to the idea that nothing is impossible. that if somebody says no you say it's just the beginning. where does that come from?

>> well, i at the beginning i never thought, i thought when i was young/possible. now i know. 3ot everything's possible.we have something we have to think about. we have to consider about the others. you have to consider about the customer, society, the shareholders. there's so many things that i think if you continue to work hard, there's possibility. and i just think i'm enthusiastic about what we're doing. from the beginning, i just want to survive. and five years -- >> rose: that's 2000. >> but winter, i think wow, so many people's lives changed. i was so excited you know. for the first three years we

made a zero revenue. zero revenue. but we are so excited to continue to work. i remember many times when i go to restaurant have dinner, somebody came when i would try to pay the bill the owner of the restaurant came to say sir, your bill is paid by someone. and a small note said hey, mr. ma, i'm your customer of alibaba group. i made a lot of money and i know you don't make any money i pay the bill for you. [laughter] i remember one thing, one day that i was sitting somewhere in the coffee, somebody sent me a cigar. i don't smoke cigars but there's a note, thank you very much i'm your customer. and i remember in the days in beijing when i get on the taxi the man opened the door for me like the boy at the gate he said jack, thank you very much. my girlfriend makes more money

than i do on your site. and this is something that we know, if you don't do it, nothing's possible. if you%e try to do it at least you have the hope. >> rose: the revenue comes from advertising and a smaller amounts from transactional figures. >> yes. >> rose: most from advertising. >> tiny. >> rose: tiny from advertising. >> tiny from advertising and tiny from transactions. now we have more than 10 million small business power sellers selling our site everywhere. so the transactions we have is second after warm up. >> rose: after warm up. >> tiny of the money take us big. so you know, second after i remember the management guys came five years ago and jack you did

a great job. so i said maybe two years it will be warmer. he said young man, you have good hope. i think in ten years we'll be bigger than wal-mart because if you want to have 10,000 new customers, you have to build a new warehouse all this and that. >> rose: where are you going? what does jack want? >> think the because of the name alibaba, we're an internet company happened to be in china. we have the entrepreneur like every great entrepreneurs in the world. and i remember the day when i said alibaba. we are the mission helping small business doing easier. so next step today so many small business using our platform to sell things.

and over 300 american consumers buy things from our site. cheapest. >> rose: efficient. >> so what i'm thinking about how we can make alibaba a platform for global small business. my vision is that how, if we can help the norway sell things to argentina and argentina consumers can buy things on-line from switzerland. and we can build up, which i called, i don't know maybe not rival. it's a great entry. they have so many big companies to sell things across the nation. today internet4t can help four business sell things across the ocean, crossing nations. and i hope that weekya billion consumers. we can help ten million small

business outside china. we have the american farmers in washington state almost 300 types of cherries to china last year. cherries. when before investment. came to me and said can you help us sell cherries. cherries. i said why not. let's try. so when we order, when we start to sell cherries, the cherries still on the tree. in pre order 18,000 families ordered cherries on-line. so we could pick up the cherriesaand ship it to china within 48 hours we sell the cherries. the consumers are so happy. and we got a lot of letters of complaint after three days say why only a hundred times why should not we get more. so we sell two months ago we

have costo. we sell 300 tons of nuts to china. so i'm thinking about if we can sell, we're also selling a lot of seafood to china. if we can sell seafood, if we can sell the cherries, why we cannot help american and european small business selling things to china consumers. china needs that. this is what i want is that two billion consumers china asia, developing nations how they can buy things. >> rose: looking at the international market are you doing well in russia. >> yes. >> rose: how well. >> we do pretty good with russia and brazil. russia i think now i don't know if we're not the number one we're number two or number three largest e commerce.

we had a campaign. the campaign is that a lot of russian girls and boys want to buy things from china. how many days a russian girl place an order and seize the product from china. two years ago. even that people so happy about all things. and after the campaign within one week we crashed the whole system of russia. >> rose: you're also seen in hollywood. >> yes. >> rose: what are you doing in hollywood? [laughter] >> well, i like the hollywood digital. i learn so much about the hollywood movies i especially forrest gump. >> rose: you love forrest gump. >> i love forrest gump.

>> rose: why do you like him. >f because never give up.he knows what he's doing. i was very depressed the day year 2002 or 3 in the states when -- no no no. i could not find a way for the internet and i watched the move forrest gump. i seen him this is the guy. delete what you're doing. love it whether people don't like it be simple. like the word, life is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you can get. i never know i would be are here talking to charlie rose. but i made it. guys we have to work hard not for ourselves if we can be successful 80% of the people in

china can be successful. we don't have a rich father, powerful uncle, we don't get one dollar from bank, one cent from government. just work as a team. >> rose: what do you worry about. >> i worry about today a lot of young people lose hope, lose vision. we also have the same. it's not a good thing to be rejected by so many people. we also depressed. later we find that the world has a lot of opportunity. how you see the world.- how you catch the opportunity. in the hollywood gives me a lot of inspiration. >> rose: but you are out there for business. you were out there because you want to make movies and sell them. >> i want to make movies for business wise we are e commerce company. we have a lot of products that need logistics. but movie tv, these are things

we don't need logistics system. and movie probably is the best product that can help chinese young people to learn a skill. one thing i told the chinese people, my friends, in american movie all the heroes at theguy. terrible things come, they become a hero. they also buy it. china if you got hero all the hero died. [laughter] because only dead people become the heroes. nobody wants to be the hero. >> rose: you want to change the definition of hero. >> yes. i want to say we have so many heros in this world. >> rose: are you still writing the kung fu novels or reading them? >> kung fu is you start to think about something you cannot do. but if you have some luck, if you continue to practice if you

got a good master, it's a good team, at least makes me when i'm5g. busy, when i'm tired or frustrated. >> rose: what does that do for you. >> tai chi is a philosophy. tai chi is about how you balance, how you like competition. people say whenxe-bay. i say no, it's a great company. tai chi is over here i go over there. you put at the top i go down. equal balance. all right. tai chi's about philosophy. i use tai chi philosophy in the business. calm down.bv there's always a way out, and

keep yourself balanced and meanwhile don't try to, business is a, competition is you die. business even if you die another way. right. so it's fun. tai chi is a model for inspiration. >> rose: you want your life and you want this company alibaba to change the world. but also you believe that alibaba ought to change the lives of women. what are you doing? >> first i think many years ago i wanted to change the world. now i think if we want to change the world we change ourself. change ourself is more important. easier than change the world. and secondeg i want to improve the world. change the world maybe a nice job. my job is to making sure that my team are happy. because my team are happy, had he can make my customers happy.

my customers are allzf$pzh@hv small business. when they're happy we're happy. one of the secret source for alibaba success we have a lot of women. >> rose: what percentage of women. >> i think two months before, two or three months before the ipo there's american journalist come to our company. she ask me a question. check out the many -- i said what's wrong. we have 30 or we have 47% of the company are women. >> rose: how many. >> 47% of our company are women. and we actually had 51 because we acquired some companies these days they have all men. >> rose: these are women inqtop level positions. >> 33% of the senior management are women. and 34% of the senior management, very top level are

women.tpb1ñ we have women ceo cfo, chief operating officer, we have everywhere. women in this world, if you wanted to way into the 21st century you have to make sure making other people powerful, empower others making sure people are better than you are then you will be successful. i found women will think about the others more than they think about themselves. they think about the husband parents much more than the men. >> rose: a couple things i want to talk about before we go in a couple minutes. china today are you worried the economy slowed down. >> no. i don't worry about it. i think china is doing, it's slow down is much better. china today is the second largest economy in the world

it's impossible to keep 90% of the growth. if china keeps 90% of the growth of the economy there must be something wrong. you will never see the blue sky and you will never see the quality. china should pay attention to the quality of economy. so if we have a lot of like all these things and we have stocks and these things in the gdp it would be much better. so i think just like a human growth, this body can never grow grow grow grow. certain time the slow grow of a body is slow but should grow thei money, grow your culture, grow your value, grow your vision i think china is moving to that direction. >> rose: finally there's this. you're one of the world's richest people. your company's one of the world's richest company. what did you want beyond

alibaba? >> i told my i was really not happy in the past three months when people say jack ma is the richest people of china. >> rose: global celebrity they said. >> no, i'm not. >> rose: you are. you are. >> i never focus -- yes, maybe i am. 15 years ago, my apartment my wife was at that time was one of the 18 founders. i asked her do you want your husband to be a rich person. i never said rich person in china or do you want your husband to be a respected person. of course she said respected because she never believe we be rich people but we do one to survive. we have one million dollars, that's your money. we have $20 million you start have poverty. you worry about inflation and

this and that ahead of time. when you have one billion dollars that's not your money. that's the trust society gives on you. they believe you can manage the money, use the money better than the government. so i think today i have the resources do more things. with the money we have, with the influence we have, we should spend more time on the young[q036c people. and i will say some day i'll go back to teach, go back to school, spend time with the young people and tell and show them and having this result. and i want to do better job. >> rose: just tell them your story. >> tell them the story and tell them that if jack, i don't think a lot of people will be rejectible.

the only thing like forrest gump we keep on fight, we keep on change ourself. we don't complain. whether you are successful or not successful, i find people when they finish the job, if they make the mistake if they always complaint others, this guy will never come back. if the guy only check himself something wrong with me here or there this guy has hope. >> rose: jack ma was in this audience and television audience around the world. thank you for taking time to be with us. >> thank you. >> rose: haider al-abadi became prime minister of iraq in september 2014. last week he was in davos switzerland where he made a speech before the world economic forum. before that speech i spoke with him about events and the future in iraqi. it's clear that you head that you need economic help because of the falling oil prices.

you need more support for your troops on the ground. are you getting any assurances from the coalition partners that it will be forthcoming. >> i think there were 21 states out of 61 who represent the national coalition to support iraq. these are the most effective partners and i have to see the response. to be clear about this, i know we have been shopping for more support. i say in the past in the last days and weeks that we have seen]u very little and i confirm it was very very slow start. times it's hard frustrating and fearful. and we have to match, there are two time tables iraqi timetable on the ground and there's the coalition timetable to do with resources and support.

we have seen a synchronization of it's. increase of numbers of isis against dash more liaison between our commanders on the grounds and that of the coalition in the sky which has helped our forces to perform better. the last week quite sizeable ammunition and armament spliepped to us by our coalition partners free of charge, thank you very much. and i think we have been promised that there will be department of payment on arm sales to iraq of course we are waiting to see that. i think the challenges are huge. i have to be blunt about this. our economy cannot sustain too major spending. one is to sustain our society while depending on that central budget and two to sustain this

awful war which is taking a lot of resources. we need help on this. >> rose: one of the issues before. there was the support you wanted was a new government in baghdad. and you are that new government. does the former prime minister play a role with you in terms of the policy and execution today in iraq. >> you know according to the last prime minister was a friend of mine, he's a colleague, he's in the same party. he now happen to be vice president. and in our execution the presidency plays like a role in our country but not executive. the executive isgovernment and we have regular meetings for the leadership of the country. and we have a good relationship among the iraqi institutions. the executive which is the government presidency on parliament. and i like that. i think this has benefited us

and has facilitated a lot of. >> rose: what impact might be the change of leadership in saudi arabia. >> i hope to the positive, we have many leaders, new leaders in the range. i think a new leader in saudigç arabia i hope will bring. >> rose: what new plans. >> i'm looking forward. i mean he was a prince when i talked to him two weeks ago about this incident. and we had the dialogue over the phone. and i hope we can make a very good relationship between our two countries. it is vital that essential message from my government is that we want very good international relationship with the region. it's important and vital. our understanding ;cannot develop without the whole region developing together. and we have to build that

between us. we're very eager to do that. and we find very open hearted. >> rose: do you see a change in attitude among the sunnis. >> huge. i can claim that the present government has more popularity.'msome of my friends here my not like that. have more publicity and acceptance among population and some leaders. >> rose: there's something according to the washington journal that general austin said plansizf,ç are moving ahead for retaking mosul. can you tell us where that stands and can the army provide the boots on the ground that are sufficient. >> well at the moment there are boots on the ground. there are some iraqi troops in that region. we have one single problem on this which is the land link

between our forces and the rest of iraqi and we have to make sure that link is there. that's why we are fighting now to make sure that that link is perfected and is open for our forces to move forward. and we have to have a liaison between the rest of the iraqi forces and the coalition partners. and it can be done. i'm telling, there may be a surprise there. in a lot of wars with dash we have probably times planned few days, more days than we have actually achieved. we have been surprised in some instances that dash fighters just flee, they don't fight which is i think a change in the strategy of dash because dash morals are on the decline. which is quite a change. >> rose: general austin said perhaps they've eliminated at least half of the dash

leadership. has it enabled you. >> yes i think we have seen that, the coalition partners and iraqi have a very very good special forces which i'm proud of of the iraqi elite forces and they're carrying out the operations. i have not announced to you for security intelligence regions but i think we're doing very well on this front. >> rose: what's the contribution of the militia. >> i can't call them militia. these are volunteers to defend their country and there are both sides. we have shi'a, we have sunnis. they're all iraqis. they're fighting to defend their country. yes, i think some may have been organized before. but in iraq it's completely different than what it was five, six, seven eight. now there's a central

government. all these troops, they're asking to work for the government not like before. before some were fighting the government. now they don't want to be seen outside the government. this is important development. the leadership is calling that all arms must be under the control of the government and all arms now are under the control of the government. of course outside dash. dash is not under the control. >> rose: what's the contribution"w of iran? >> i summarize it as positive. in the first stage when dash rolled their forces into iraq. they have helped us, baghdad they have helped the region as well. they have been very prompt in sending arms, sending ammunition. they've been asking for payments and of course we pay later. and i think they have been very

helpful. i cannot deny, they are giving help to us"> rose: is there involvement by general -- >> he's an official of the military establishment and i'm not denying we are dealing with him. i mean it's part of the efforts of the iranian establishment and it's no secret. everybody knows we are dealing and very much have respect for him and the iranian establishment. iran isbcwit happens to be we have the longest border with iran. iraqi happens to have two borders. the east and the north. and the west and the=e south with

arabic countries. and i think we're very happy to act like a bridge between the arab world and the rest of the muslim world. >> rose: syria. do you see a plan to change things on the ground in sear jaw? >> - syria. >> i think with the current situation i'm pessimistic because i cannot see a plan to save the syrian people. 23 this war continues in syria allist doing is damaging syria, killing more civilians. it must be stopped. i'm surprised that people around the world in the region but they don't seem to be able to stop it. i say let us stop it and then talk later. the continuation of this war it means continuation of the sack

-- sacrifices of the people. they have been attacked by neighboring syria. dash has been gaining power was of the situation in syria. we have paid the heaviest price for the situation in syria for the war in syria it must be stopped and i tell we are very actively working to try to find a solution. we have been talking with the turks, with the iranians, with the gulf, with the americans, with the french and other europeans and the russians about stopping or finding an applicable solution to this crises and this conflict because it's in our own interests and in the best interest of the civilian people. >> rose: finally back to iraq. what's your timetable. and the end goal is to do what? >> well, it's i think we have

division of this government my government is to leave iraq controlling its own faith and territory, better economic, better life of our people and less reliance on oil. this is a resource which hasir been given to us by god and we have to take care of it for our future generations. >> rose: mr. prime minister thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: more about this program and early episodes visit us on-line at pbs.org and charlierose.com. ]+v=ñ captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh

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