>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with a response to the emolation of a jordannian pilot. i would caution against-- its film that isis put out with that culminated at the end that show the high pilot being burned came after isis showing air from the coalition and was arguing that the coalition had been burning arabs with its bombs and airplanes and that is why they were emolatting the pilot. while this caused justifiable revulsion in the arab world t could mobile size some recruits. i think it is still yet to be seen whether it will have that sort of affect in

parallel we continue with reggie love who is president obama's body man and written a book called power forward my presidential education. >> i think it's a testament to one his own work ethic but i think also his ability to inspire people. i think he and coach que have the ability for people to buy into something that is bigger than them to invest into work and to really forge together as a sgrup in order to do something unique and powerful. and everybody doesn't know how to do that and i think it's very-- it's an amazing quality to have. >> we conclude with robert morgenthau and will you denda francs and their book about nair love affair. timeless love morgenthau and me. >> people know bob as a brilliant prosecutor. he's been called the da of the world. but they know a kind of reserved stiff person that

will not, you know reveal his real self. >> right. >> i wanted him to go down in history as a rounded person. i wanted to do a portrait in all his complexities that people didn't know. at the same time i wanted to save my marriage. >> this is a psychological turning point in the battle against isis a conversation with reggie love and concluding with robert morgenthau and lucinda francs next. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide.

captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. we begin this evening with the middle east, leaders across the globe are united and outraged at the latest video released wednesday by the islamic state. it shows isis militants burning a jordanian pilot alive. the pilot was seized after his plane crashed in syria during a mission against a group in december. king abdullah in jordan cut short a visited in united states and returned home wednesday for crisis talks. jor add-- jordanian authorities executed two iraqi terror convicts yesterday. the government also promised an earth-shattering military spochbs. the pie loll-- pilot's emolation inkited criticism through the middle east including syria iran and al qaeda. joining me kenneth pollock

and robert danin is a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. i'm pleased to have both of them here. let me begin if i may with this question from the report in "the new york times" by rob norlan, name any outrage in the middle east in decades of them the achille laurel hijacking iraq's invasion of kuwait, the gassing of kurds the bombing of the u.s.s. cole and the pro nag nist would find apologists and detractors. but with one breathtaking vicious murder the islamic state changed that damic uniting most of the region against it. i would like both of you to give me a sense of what are the implications of that statement in terms of the change that might take place now. ken? can well charlie look i think we have to start with the fact that the arab world particularly the sunni arab world has been ambivalent

with the fight against isis from the get go. they don't like isis, they see it as a threat. but they also see another threat in many ways a bigger threat for them which are the shi'a forces in the region lead by iran. and what we've seen is that the american-led effort against isis has suffered. because the sunni states haven't been as willing to participate the way that the u.s. would like them to do so. and what may have happened as a result of the killing of this jordanian pilot is we may now see the sunni states coming fully on board. and saying much as we don't like the shi'a much as we may fear iran, isis clearly has got to be dealt with and dealt with now. and we'll see a lot more full throated and enthusiastic support for the ert against isis first and foremost. >> robert? >> well, ken is absolutely right. i think there are a few other dimensions here that are also important and make this significant. first of all what this does, is it is shifts the center of gravity of the coalition into the region. it makes it a regional fight. one of the reasons that there have been detrackers

to the coalition is that it's been seen as an american-led effort. and this is one of the things that king abdullah of jordan had been vulnerable to. now this has hit at home. it's galvanizing the arab streets behind it. but there is a second dimension which is the idea logical one, we have had important statements come out of leading islamic centers like al akbar university and others saying this is forbidden, this is really wrong. so it has really helped galvanize an idealogical retort to the isis threat. >> rose: and what might they do then, is my question as well. >> we could certainly see an infence find-- intensified air campaign and that is what we are hearing from jordan now. i think we have to look beyond that. rob pointed to a number of important elements that we need to keep in mind. the psychological dimensions political dimensions and cultural dimensions to this are very important. because what we've seen is that the populations in syria and iraq, in many cases they don't particularly like isis.

but they dislike the shi'a governments that were oppressing them even more than isis. and so as a result you didn't see a whole lot of local resistance to isis in these different areas. and in fact we always suspected that there was some degree of support coming from many of the sunni states of the region to isis in a whole variety of indirect ways whether it was allowing foreign fighters to move into the isis areas or smuggling oil and other money and goods out to sustain them financially. and i think that we can now hope and certainly have reason to expect that we will start to see a lot of that shut down. we won't see the flow of foreign fighters moving in there. we won't see the same level of trade. and all of these psychological, financial and even cultural factors will start to kind of erode at what-- at whatever support isis once had. >> roberts? >> that's rights. i think the most important plane right now is on the psychological idealogical

plain. on the military side nothing dramatic will change other than the intensification. we still have a problem about no ground forces really capable of taking on ice nis syria. no ground forces really mobilized its sunni tribes to take on ice nis iraq. so onlied ground, less so but for the hearts and mines of the arab worm where the bat sell really being fought here there is a real opportunity to turn the tied against isis. i would caution they-- the film that isis put out that culminated at the end demonstrating or showing the pilot being burned came after isis showed a lot of bombing in the air of the coalition. the coalition that was burning arabs with its bombs and airplanes, and that is why they were emolatting the pilot. and so this has caused justify-- justifiable

revulsion it could mobilize some recruits. let me do a chex on where we are with respect to the air strikes. how successful have they been? >> i was just in iraq a couple of weeks ago. and talking to about iraqi military officials american military officials you do get a very strong sense that these air strikes are having an impact on isis. they are hindering its operations. and i think the proof of all of that lies in what we're seeing on the map at least in iraq. syria is a very different story. but in iraq the isis fences have really been halted. -- halted. baghdad is no longer threatened by isis. you have had iraqi and kurdish forces pushing back on isis, pushing them out of the area south of baghdad out of the area northeast of baghdad and now encroaching on mosul in ever greater numbers.

isis tried to mount a major offensive to consolidate its hold over anbar. it made some small gains but really they were quite modest. and it's this combination of the american lead air campaign. but we should also remember a lot of iraqi forces now operating on the ground able to push back on isis. and the problem there is that the iraqi forces that are operating on the ground aren't necessarily the forces that we would like to be. a lot of them are the shi'a militias with very close ties to iran. and of course many of them seem to be engaged in nefarious activities of their own. lots of reports of ethnic cleansing going on. >> there is some talk that they ought not focus on assad in the civil war in syria but ought to focus on isis. is that argument having any traction? >> well this is very important debate amongst the coalition amongst those who have been concerned about syria. should isis be taken on in

parallel with the assad regime given that president obama an many in the region have declared that assad should go and we have had now this brutal civil war taking place claiming over 200,000 lives. or should be done sequentially. now no one wants to say in essence that it should be done sequentially but that in effect is the american policy to date. so now it has been, we need to take on isis first and then we'll deal with assad. and if that means in the short term giving him a pass in terms of toppling him letting the russians pursue some diplomacy that will let him stay in place for now it won't be spoken as such but that is in effect what has been happening. and i think what has happened in the last 48 hourless with isis is only going to intensify that. the sense that isis has to be taken on quickly and urgently. and then we'll turn our attention to assad. but the two cannot be taken on simultaneously. it's just too much because

you then have the question of what is going to account for order in syria following their removal. >> robert and ken, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> reggiest love is here. he had just graduated from duke university where he was captain of the basketball team when he got a job forring for then senator barack obama in 2005. he quickly climbed the ranks from staff assistant to become the president's special assistant and personal aide. the two developed a close bond that lead obama to describe him as his little brother. love delse the story of his time working with the president and a new book. it is called power forward my presidential education. i'm pleased to have reggie love at this table. welcome. >> good to see you. >> thank you so much for having me here today. i really appreciate you being here. >> you're going to go down do durham tonight and see coach kay be vetted for a

thousand wins as a college basketball coach. >> yeah. it's really an amazing opportunity. and i think the guy he's put so much work into it to have such a great program. but not just because of the amount of games that he wins. he does a great job of developing young basketball players into productive men. you look at sort of the proteges that he's got out there such good guys all over the place from billy king. >> johnny talkins, jay williams jabillus, i mean they're such a good-- i think the impact that he has on young men at such a young age is really it's really a big deal in terms of overall growth. >> what impact did he have on you? >> i mean i mean there's so many there's so many of them. but i think the two that are probably the biggest are one

i think you know, and i write about this in my book that the little plays matter. we go through life sometimes thinking that you know everything is going to be a home run or a three point shot or you know a slam-dunk. but that ends up making the difference. and sometimes it's not always just those things alone. you know, the guy who is diving on the ball on the floor after a loose ball. the guy who set the screen to get a teammate open. the guy who is tirelessly defending, i think those little things he acknowledges and he encourages and he inspires people to be committed enough to do those little things. >> what i've noticed is that he can relate to the biggest nba star is he-- as he did during the olympics like kobe bryant and others and at the same time he request re-- can relate to a walk-on for his basketball team. >> yeah me.

>> rose: u. your story you went to duke to play football. >> yes, sir. >> rose: and were better at football. >> i was a pretty good football recruit. i probably got football offers from you know almost every school in the country by the time i was a junior in high school. and, but i in from north carolina. i grew up loving the game of basketball. >> rose: you just loved it more. >> i love it. >> rose: you became a gym rat as soons afoot ball season was over. >> sometimes i didn't wait until football season to end. my coaches weren't too happy about that, sometimes. >> rose: take the president take your parents does anybody mean more to you had more impact on you than coach kay? >> i mean between my father, the president o kbama and coach kay i mean i got pretty-- and i won the lottery in terms of mentors to have you know coming up. i think coach kay had me at

a stage in life in which i probably thought i was a little more invincible than i actually was. >> rose: what did you think? >> you know when you're 18 and 19, you think you're going to be able to run and jump. there is nothing you think you can't do. and so and i tell a couple of stories of some of the mistakes i had to learn the hard way while i was you know a sophomore at duke. the president i think gave me a little more-- a little more perspective. you know i kind of you know when i was in college i studied hard and i got decent grades. but i kind of saw everything through the lens of sports. and when i started working with him traveling around to iowa and new hampshire an nevada you know sports was always a good way to relate

to people. but the things in the tipping points that really you know helped me to understand how people were living and saving and trying to like earn a decent living how they wanted to have a little bit of respect and dignity as they're looking to retire. the ideas around health care some of the global conflicts and partnerships that we have. those are the things that i have a firsthand chance to not only experience and see but to learn about. and i probably you know you know i probably don't-- . >> rose: you say that the president is as competitive as it gets. >> yeah. i mean the president obama when he's a senator i mean the guy hates to lose at anything. you know there were times where you know, he's tired he's campaigning. he's like man i don't-- i really just didn't want to do this right now. if anyone would say to him

do you want to win? and all right fine let's do it. >> rose: there was a famous story about there was someone who what go in and if jack kennedy president ken dae during the campaign with richard nixon they would go to him f he was slow getting up they would say richard nixon has been up for an hour. >> it's a motivator. >> rose: let's talk about what you learned from him beyond character and beyond team work. first there's the famous story of when you lost the briefcase. >> yes. >> rose: which had the debate notes in it. >> it had all his paperwork in it yeah. >> rose: so everything he needed was not there. >> correct. >> rose: and tell me the story. because it is a really important lesson here that i think is relevant to all of us. tell me the story. >> so the story there is, it's pretty simple. you know, i had the bag did not make it on to the plane from florida. >> rose: i thought that was your job to make sure the bag made it on to the plane. >> plan to car, car to plane

the bag should be there all the time. that was 100%. >> rose: good thing you weren't in charge of the nuclear bag. >> right. never had that job. but you know, hopefully i would not leave that bag if that were my job. so we get in the car. we're riding into-- we're landing in columbia, in the car we're riding to our first stop in columbia. and he kind of turned back and he looks at me, he says hey, reggie where's my bag? and i say and i'm thinking what do i say it's lost you know it's-- it's en route. it's coming.qú4/ it not here? and so you know and i took full responsibility for it. and i worked-- . >> rose: you said i screwed up. >> i worked my butt off to get it back to make sure there was nothing missing in t that he didn't go too long without it. and he said to me too. he sat me down after you

know we got to the first stop and he said look reggie if you are's not up for doing this job then i'll find someone else who can. because if i can't focus on running for president because i'm too busy worried about pay bag or my clothes or whatever-- . >> rose: i could give this speech. >> yeah. so yeah so that was-- that was the last time that ever happened. >> rose: but the more important thing is, is that you said it was my fault. you basically said to him i screwed up. you didn't try to say well, it was somebody else they-- it was supposed to be here and they accident get it here,. >> my fault. >> rose: my responsibility and he was impressed by that. >> i think he was. >> rose: he also told you that he was going to beat hillary pretty early on. >> i mean, i think it was-- it was probably late summer where i think he had-- there was a moment in which he kind of said to us, like he really-- . >> rose: we're going to win

this thing. >> we're going to win this thing. and he-- there was a little exchange with senator clinton on the tarmac and you know the conversation got very heated. and he was composed. he just kind of was kposd handled it. got back on the plane. and wasn't-- wasn't frazzled. >> rose: people take a note of and ask why there is a kind of aloofness and a detachment. >> yeah. >> rose: why is that? >> you know it's interesting. people have win that. and i think there's a lot of stuff behind if some of it is the comparison to bill clinton. because bill clinton was so amazing at making people feel like they were the only person in the room. all the stories about the card games and having people come and sleep in the lincoln bedroom and all sorts of things. and i tell people all the time that the president is

very different from bill clinton in the fact that you know the president has two small children. i guess they're not small now. they're actually pretty big if you have seen them. they're tall, taller than-- . >> rose: the tallest one, the oldest one is about 5, 10. >> she's almost 6 feet tall. she is like 510, or 5 11. >> rose: and he's about what 6, 1. >> he's about 6 2. >> rose: . >> and so i think what was really important to him was he wanted to be-- i think he wanted to have some normalsy for the girls and wanted to be a good parent. it was important for him to be home for dinner as much as he could. if he wasn't traveling. like if he was in d.c. he was going to eat dinner every day with his family. >> rose: what time would he eat. >> 6:30. >> rose: 6:30. >> for the kids. >> exactly. >> rose: so they could go to bed. >> exactly. >> rose: and then he goes up and does what at night? >> you know, he reads a lot. i mean the guy reads everything. it's really amazing how much

information one person can consume. and this ipad made it even easier. >> he watches almost no television except sports. >> no i think he watches a couple of shows. i think he watches game of thrones and i think madmen was a favorite of his. a lot of sports though. the guy is well versed in all basketball baseball, football, you name. >> rose: that was a bond between the two of you. >> it definitely was. >> rose: a love and passion for sports. >> yeah. >> rose: here is what you say in describing your job. >> i was his dj, what you picked up-- you filled up his ipod or -- >> i put the music on his i podz. >> rose: what did you put on his ipod. >> we say think the first time he had met jay z he said why don't you go out-- you can get me five of his best songs. yeah, i will totally put a couple of them on there for you. it was a hard job for me because i think only five

and so and i think he enjoyed it. so he got a little more jay z and diversified into some other hip-hop and other genres. >> rose: does he kind of think he's al green. >> oh, man i mean i don't think he thinks can sing like al green but he may think he can dance like al green. >> rose: here's what you say. i was his dj his kindle i assume that means making sure he had books in his kindle. his travel agent, that wasn't hard to be his travel agent. you know air force one is there waiting for him. >> we didn't always have air force one. >> rose: this is during the campaign. >> yeah. >> rose: his valet he wore the same suit all the time didn't he? >> the color gray or blue. >> he likes a blue suit but sometimes he changes it up. every now and then. >> rose: a white shirt. >> white shirt, i mean-- i mean he that was-- i was always amazed how many white

shirts we just-- they never would stop there was always a whole thing of white shirts. i saw him on tv the other night for the super bowl. he had this great little palladium-- played he's mixing it up a bit but%>ñ did have a uniform for a while. >> rose: you know what al hunt told me about you. >> it can't be true what did mr. hunt say? >> rose: he said you should be reggie love. he has the greatest life a because of the way, the job and access. secondly because everywhere he goes, there are young women single who love him just love him. he has this magnetic impact on them. >> i don't-- i can think of some young women without do not love me. i definitely-- . >> rose: i'm just telling you what hunt told me.

>> well, i appreciate those kind words. my mom always used to tell me my mom would tell me, you know reggie you're only 32 years old but you have lived like multiple lives. you know, like you've lived a couple of lifetime notice a very short time. >> rose: do you ever ask yourself they said this in world war ii the raf pilots who had saved london. they said you know, their life will never be as exciting as it was when they really saved a country. >> yeah. >> rose: do you have any sense that it will never be that exciting? or do you say no, that was just a learning experience. i was lucky to be there. i did my best. the president liked me. i liked him. we accomplished some things. i was a part of that process but life moves on. >> yeah i mean i will definitely say that, i think there are always going to be challenges out there that are going to be interesting for me and for anyone to go on to look to take on as a

as they progress in life. i do think the relationships especially for me, i think that i was very i was very mall eebl when i movered to d.c. i was 23 and i didn't know anything about very much of anything. >> to work in the senate office. >> yeah. and so those relationships and that the bond with those people, i think will never be replaced. you know i'll never have that kind of relationship with another boss. >> rose: because of the nature the significance of the moment and the nature of power. >> yeah. >> rose: and pressure? >> yeah exactly. >> rose: and you living in a fishbowl. >> and so and because of that you know and because of that i'm lucky. but i do think there will be other things out there that will be impactful. but it will definitely not be similar to those points in time. >> rose: why did you leave when you did? >> well so and i don't know if i clearly explained this

in the book. so i started getting my mba at the university of pennsylvania. >> rose: right. >> during the third year, the beginning of the third year of his first term. >> rose: why would you do that? i mean why would you think you have to get an mba. i mean you're there. you're learning more than anybody in any business school could possibly learn. >> i agree with you 100%. >> you're saying decision-making and power and understanding and political intrigue, are you seeing how people persuade others you're seeing leadership all these things. they can't teach. >> yeah. >> rose: and you leave it. >> well i do think that and i think a lot of people struggle with this when they start at an organization at a really young age i think me going to get an mba did two things. i think one i learned a significant amount about business finance business

development and business policy. right? and i am a very appreciative of that. but i do think that when you start someplace when you are 23 the people that you are with and the people that you work with, even when you become 30 they kind of still see you as the same 23-year-old that you came in that they met when you know ten years ago. so i think it was a good way to go out and have some personal growth. and you know and for people to sort of say, okay reggie is not the same 23-year-old kid from-- . >> rose: when was the last time you saw him. >> i saw the president probably in december yeah. saw him on the golf course. >> rose: you were playing with him. >> i was playing in the foursome behind him. >> rose: what are you doing now? >> so you know, other than than-- writing this way was you know i have though thank allison glock who was

phenomenal and helping me think out of the process and really helped with my voice on it other than that i'm a partner in a financial holding company called transat lx holdings. we look to find medium-sized companies that have limited access limited presence in markets that we think that we have know who and know how in. and we look to acquire them and grow them here in the u.s. and hopefully we're creating jobs. that is the-- that's the end game. >> rose: there's also the sense of him i mean what do you think, what is it about-- that you saw firsthand with a remarkable proximity that you don't think after all that has been written we understand about barack obama. >> and i was speaking to someone about this earlier today. and it just blew my mind when i really-- because i kind of wish i had written about it in the book but i

didn't. i remember, there were times that, so he is like a guy that and he said this i remember him saying this really early on. he was like i came to washington because i want to figure out how to do the best thing i can for the person people. and if that results it in me not getting elected or re-elected that's fine. but he really wants to help people. when we were in iowa a couple of times iowa and new hampshire, you know he would run across people who were just like down and out on their luck. they were at an event or round table. and you know anything from had a broken down car to had issues with paying bills for-- had issues paying medical expenses. and he would say reggie why don't you call my accountant and have him send a cash year's check to person x or person y. and this is early on before he even knew he was going to be president. just wanted to make a

difference in people's lives. and i think that is such a powerful thing. >> i thought you might say this will to overcome insurmountable odds. i mean when you think about it in 2003, there were not many people thought barack obama was going to be the next president of the united states. >> or knew who barack obama was. >> rose: yeah its he extraordinary. >> i think it's a testament to one his own work ethic. but i think also his ability to inspire people. i think he and coach kay have the ability to get people to buy into something that's bigger than them. and to invest and to work and to really forge together as a group in order to do something unique and powerful. an everyone everyone doesn't know how to do that. and i think it's very-- it's an amazing quality to have. >> rose: great to see you. >> charlie, thank you so much for having me.

>> rose: thank you, reg-year. >> it was really fun. >> rose: the book is called power forward, my presidential education. what an education it has been for reggie love. >> rose: robert morgenthau and will you kinda francs are here. they have been one of new york's post famous couples for close to four decades 40 years. he served assmann mann district attorney stepping down in 2009 after 35 years. many credit him for making that office the number one in the nation. she's a journalist who at age 24 became the youngest woman to win the pulitzer prize and the first woman to win for national reporting. her new book is called timeless love are morgenthau and me. it tells the story of their marriage. i am pleased to have them back at this table. bell come. >> thank you. >> rose: great to see both of you. so tell me about why you decided to put this story in a book? >> you know people know bob as a brilliant prosecutor. he's been called the d.a. of the world. but they know a kind of

reserved stiff person that is-- will not you know reveal his real self. i wanted him to go down in history as a rounded person. i wanted to do a portrait in all his complexity that people didn't know. at the same time i wanted to save my marriage. my marriage did more important than the book. so it was very-- . >> rose: how does this save your marriage. >> in the sense that i didn't want to be so honest you know-- . >> rose: so you drew a line. >> so many foibls revealed that it would affect my marriage. because my marriage was more important than this book. >> rose: when did you know that this woman, you were 50 something 53 when you got married. >> 56 i think was. >> rose: she was about 20 what? >> 26, something like that. >> rose: so she's in her 20s you are in your 50s.

what attracted you to her? >> well the first time i met her she was doing a piece on contributors to the nixon campaign, and particularly maurice stans. >> rose: he was i think the finance chairman of a committee to -- >> right and subsequently the secretary of commerce. but anyway she came in. and i thought she was wearing an indian rug. it turned out it was much more sophisticated than that. but she caught my attention. i first refused to be interviewed by her. but then i never let it-- and she ask me a lot of good questions, she was incredibly persist ents. and women reporters in those

days were not. an when she left i said this is either the dumbest reporter i have ever met or the smartest. and after i read the piece i said you know she's the smartest reporter. i didn't-- i didn't have the courage to ask her out. >> rose: when you started dating, i mean your friends were not thrilled about this, were they? >> well it was a little bit like the pope asking squeaky from for her hand in marriage. that was the shock among all of his extended family among my radical friends who dropped me. >> rose: it is fair enough to say, you had written and and knew and had gotten to know some of the members of the most radical organizations in the '60s. >> yes, i was pretty much part of that world. >> rose: so the thought of yourself in terms of a lot of their objections at one with them. >> awe shoe,-- uh-huh absolutely. >> rose: and so here is this guy who comes from one of america's most best known families. >> it was an oxymoron.

>> rose: right. >> yeah. >> i mean it was-- he was dedicated to upholding the law. i was dedicated to breaking it. i mean you know he-- but he had this magnificent forehead. and i just thought he was so smart and so interesting, but then i walked out and said well, you know i'm not going to see him any more. he's the establishment. but i did see him more. >> rose: you tell the story in here of i guess at a dinner party given by arthur schlessinger or someone. and the two of you saw each other there or did you go together. >> bob finally got the nerve. he was my source. he finally got the nerve to ask me out on a date. >> rose: right. >> he said we're going to-- we're going to arthur schlessinger's house for a party for jimmie carter-- jimmy carter. i dressed up in my best bell-bottoms my peasant

blouse my platform shoes. i walked in and there was this gassly fairiland of sad inand sycuans and feather boas wrapped around swan thin next. and they looked at me like i was homeless. but jackie kennedy came in and the society ladies dropped their jaws and just were smiling at her, and smiling at her. and i looked at bob. and he was smiling too. but not at jackie,. >> rose: at you. >> at me. >> rose: so you knew. >> there was that, my god oh pie god have i misinterpreted this one. >> rose: the prelude to the book, you write to him, every day you're making history while i make nothing. i'm little-- standing in the shadow of a giant. your success seems to make mine unnecessary unwise even what if bob began to write again and failed or

worst succeed. what if you -- on your pedestal and then knocked you off. you already disturbed the balance of nature. how far can we tempt fate. that's pretty good, huh? >> yeah that's good. >> it was true. i mean you know my friends dropped me. his family his extended family told him to see a psychiatrist. they wouldn't speak to him. it was really we were like romeo and juliette a-- version. but there was just only us. there was just the two of us. >> rose: in other words, you had to depend on each other. >> yes, yes. >> rose: one of the reviewers, i think this was-- in "the wall street journal" said her life was dedicated to the service of her husband. if anything she now appears more worshipful of mr. morgenthau and ever and timeless is a long love letter to him. >> that is not true. >> rose: not which part.

>> that-- well --. >> rose: all of it? >> it is not about worshipping my husband. it's about a relationship between two people that have you know-- . >> rose: have from very different places different ages. >> very different places different ages, three decades different who have you know really serious careers. and it's how we interacted. and how we were you know reconciled through certain differences in each other. and i think this love letter bit is as kind as that might be from a reviewer is just not the book. >> rose: here's what one critic said more than one. several. this is sort of goes with the territory of writing a book p if you write a memoir. it's called tmi, too much information. in other words they're saying you just gave it to

me. we didn't want to know everything you told us. >> and i walked in a book club group once an one of the first things somebody said was, you know your characters were too real. i mean i didn't want them that real. and so you know, too much information. i don't know what that means. i just sat down and i wrote the book and i swallowed my pride. i swallowed bob's pride. and it came out. and i'm sorry if there is too much information, than just don't read it. >> rose: you also were a federal-- you were second district u.s. attorney. >> right. >> rose: attorney for the second district s that right. >> southern district. >> rose: southern district. was that job more interesting less interesting than manhattan d.a.? >> well, it was different. i mean, the southern

district-- . >> rose: you were appointed by president kennedy. >> yeah. and reappointed by president johnson rses right. >> but i mean the seventh district handled a thousand cases a year. the district of-- handled over $100,000 cases so it was like a boutique and a supermarket. the client in most of those district cases was the united states. it was a fascinating challenge. you had a report to the attorney's general's office. you couldn't testify without their permission. whereas the did. amount of's office you were much closer to the victims of crime. and you had no boss except the voters. >> rose: which job. >> the d.a.. >> rose: yeah. that job for the u.s. attorney was held by rudy giuliani.

>> yes. >> rose: it was held now by-- barar. >> right. >> rose: who just announced some really remarkable prosecutions. >> right. >> rose: are you by definition a prosecutor rather than a defense attorney? are you more interested in taking the power of the law and making sure that people who violate the law -- >> i want to be sure that the law is observed. i mean i have been working now for the last year on a death penalty case in alabama where there is-- the man has been on death row for 27 years. and he's absolutely innocent. and the people from alabama the prosecutor, did not turn over grand jury minutes, police interviews, in violation of brafdy versus maryland. and i'm trying to get this guy a new trial.

>> rose: so you like that. >> i mean i want to see justice done. >> rose: right. >> wherever the scales fall. >> rose: but back to the difference between the second district and manhattan d.a. my guess is you liked the manhattan d.a. more a because you were really-- your job was determined by the voters, it was an elective office. >> right. >> rose: while the other one was an appointed office as u.s. attorney. >> right, yeah. >> rose: and there were a more vieder -- wider variety and closer to the street, i think. >> right. you know you deal with real victims of crime individuals. whereas in the district are you generally dealing with government victims. they are both great jobs. >> rose: what was your relationship to bernie guest. >> i prosecuted him. i that was a very unpopular prosecution. >> rose: tell us who he was. >> well, he was the guy that went on the subway train and

shot four people. and when we first presented to the grand jury, we didn't get any indictment. and i had to represent it get a second-- get a second shot for indictment. the defense said you know, you can't represent. the judge agreed. dismissed the indictment. i took an appeal and we prevailed. but we only-- we didn't-- convict him of attempted murder. we only convicted him of possession of a gun. i mean bernie guest was a folk hero at that point. >> rose: well because -- >> because the four young men were african-american he said he thought he was being-- going to be robbed. they thought they said they were just panhandling him. and the crime was you know very high. so people thought well you know more power to him to stop this kind of crime. >> rose: the most

interesting one for me bob is the one that involved-- for the murder of kahani. because you believe that if there had been more discovery. >> right. >> rose: you might have found some evidence linking him to people who were involved in 9/11. >> i don't think there is any question of that. but the pd turned over all the records. in the apartment to the fbi. and they held on to them and they couldn't-- they had nobody who could translate them. they had no arabic speaking people. i lent them eventually somebody from my staff to translate them it was clear there were pictures of the world trade center, and grand central station and so forth. these were monuments which must be destroyed. and i think if we had had

that earlier and followed up on it we might have stopped 9/11. the other big mistake that the government made was you know we had air marshals on all the planes. and then for a couple of years they took them all off. there had been air marshals on those planes i don't think the 9/11 would have occurred. >> rose: what is your favorite case? >> oh i didn't have any favorite case. i mean what i always told people on the staff is that every case is important to the victim. there is no such thing as an unimportant case. so i guess the cases that i thought were most interesting was where we pushed the envelope. people said we couldn't. i mean like pursuing bcci which was chartered in luxembourg and vccoc and the grand caymans and officers in 70 companies.

>> rose: tell me what you thought about this strauss-kahn case. >> well the victim told three totally different stories. and when a prosecutor puts the victim on the stand you're vouching for the truthfulness. and if you don't know which story she's going to tell you can't vouch for her truthfulness. so i thought that syd-- and i told this was absolutely right in dismissing the charges. >> rose: but should they have ever brought it the way they did. thud should they have pulled him off the plane like they did. was he a candidate to flee because he was a distinguished head of the imf? >> i mean, if i had been d.a. i would have hoped he fled. but the case was a pain in the neck. and-- . >> rose: so you would not have wanted him pulled off the plane? >> i don't know all the facts. but i think that in retrospect it probably was

a mistake. i mean you put up-- you make them put up the bail. and if they flee you say god bless them because you know they're not going to come back and commit that crime in the country. and the amount of resources that go into a case like that they're huge. and distract. >> rose: but do you think sy handled it about right? >> i do i do. >> rose: remind us about your father who you found out is almost like letters in the attic. >> it was. it really was. one day i was helping clean out my father's things which were a mess. he was 80 years old. and i lifted out my mother's old nightgown. she had passed away. and there was a nazi uniform. and i took it out. i looked at it.

and i said daddy what is this? and he said oh it's something your mother was supposed to get rid of. you know, i don't want to talk about it. that sent me on a quest so that i would not let him not tell me what he had done during the war that he had to wear a nazi uniform for. so it unfolded you know very quickly that he had been a spy during world war ii. he had been deep undercover. he had been an assassin of nazi officers. all of which blew my mind. because my father and i had been somewhat estranged because he never wanted anybody to ask him anything about what he had done during the war. he had taken an oath of silence. and this brought us together sort of resurrected that

relationship we had when i was a child and he was just the most wonderful man in the world who taught me everything. so we had that for the last few years of his life. we had a reconciliation. and we had you know falling in love with each other all over again. >> rose: and did he tell you at that point had he lost some of the inhibition to tell you everything? >> yes. i think there was a time when he forgot that he was supposed to forget. he forgot that he-- it had taken an oath of silence. he had liberated a holocaust camp rses one of the early ones. >> one of the first ones-- well, the first one discovered by the allies. and you know he testified at the-- museum about that. but he never would talk about it. he never was the same because of it. and right up until he told me about it he thought that

he had taken an oath of silence never to speak about it because that is what they told soldiers right after the war. when they discovered these camps. >> rose: how well did you know jack kennedy? >> pretty well. i mean i wasn't one of his intimates. i knew him when we sailed we would see each other up there in cape cod. and i knew him when he was in the senate and i supported him when he ran. but i was not an intimate of his. >> rose: you were on a destroyer in world war ii. >> right. >> rose: you were destroyed that were torpedoed during world war ii two,. >> right. >> rose: how did you survivor. >> luck, you had to be lucky. the second i was on was torpedoed and sunk called all gears taking a convoy in support of the-- landings. >> rose: in italy. >> in italy. and then i went to a new destroyer. and time for iwo jima and

okinawa. and on april 6th which was the first big attack april 6th '45 we caught a torpedo through the bough bow. we know it was a torpedo. it didn't detonate because we found the propeller called the impreller of the torpedo inside the ship. and we were very lucky because it would have blown the bow off the ship. and we tried to reach our squadron commander to tell him that we were on the station 115 which was the one nearest japan north of i without shima and couldn't reach him. but the task force commander whose code name was anza came and and said what is your message. and we told him. he said don't wait to be relieved. proceed at your best possible speed to your base. so we left just ahead. there were 800 planes came in that day. it was the biggest attack.

in the pas civic. >> rose: the invasion of iwo jima. >> and anyway the ship that relieved us got absolutely clobbered. so we were doubly lucky we didn't lose our bow. >> and bob had to watch one by one all of his men, he was executive officer drown. he gave his life belt away. he gave his life jacket away. he tried to save as many as co. but he just had to watch them go down into the sea. and that to me is courage. >> rose: why did they go down and you didn't? >> i was a better swimmer, i think. >> rose: your grandfather was u.s. ambassador to the ottoman empire. >> right. >> rose: henry morgenthau the secretary of treasurer was your father. >> right. >> rose: and what influence did he have on you? >> well i mean he was a great believer in public service and also you know, when i volunteered to go in

the navy early on my mother wasn't too happy but he encouraged me. >> rose: he did. >> yeah. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thank you lucinda. >> thank you so much. >> rose: the book is called timeless love morgenthau and me. for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us on-line at pbs.org and charlie rose.com. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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