>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with haider al-abadi, the prime minister of iraq. some people believe you're closer to because your country's majority shi'a closer to iran than the sunni states. you are more a friend of iran than you are a friend of those people who are in the coalition to help you get rid of dash in your country. >> well they are trying to whoever support us and aid us against our enemy with dash. as you know iran we have the longest history and the rest of these countries. >> rose: and we continue this evening with nancy gibbs, the editor of "time" magazine releasing the time 100 for 2015. >> there's this convergence between business and politics and technology and the arts and

culture and science where many of the people that we're featuring, it's because of influence they are having outside of their normal field. >> rose: and we remember gunter grass who died this week with an excerpt from my interview in 2007 when he visited new york. >> i write this book about my mistakes, not asking questions. that's for me, for me much heavier than this short time because i was drafted. it was not my guilt. there is no reason to speak about guilt.

>> rose: haider al-abadi became prime minister of iraq in september of 2014. a shi'a muslim, he was prossen by the president of iraq to succeed nouri al-maliki against sunni is in iraq. he's assembling a more inclusive government and his commitment to fight isis. he came this week to washington seeking support in that fight. i spoke with him on thursday in washington just before he left for baghdad. mr. al-abadi thank you for doing this. you had a visit to washington your first visit as a prime minister of iraq. tell me what you hope to achieve and what you have achieved in your conversations with american

officials including the president. >> well thank you very much for this interview. i'm glad to meet you again. and you know, i think there's a coalition which is headed by the u.s. it's very important to talk to them because they are doing an important job to support our military and forces on the ground. one of the important element is the aircraft is to provide help from there to our security forces on the ground. and another is to provide that armment we require on time. because we have this war and we have to finish this war in -- on time and we need back this armament. we need the air cover, the air force of the international

coalition. and the third one is training. think i training is on track now. and some armament are on track. and i think we received, i received a very good reception in washington, reception in terms of saying everything is on course. everything is on time. what i want besides is consistence. the support is manageable and we can rely o i do not want support i cannot rely on because i can fought rely upon it. i think i've been given that promise from washington. from the president from the vice president from the secretary of state, from secretary of defense and from all other officials even congress. i was glad that i received the support from congress, from the senate. and i think across the parties.

which is quite a support. >> rose: what is the nature of the support they assured you you would receive. >> we are pragmatic. we are pragmatic on the ground and we know there are complications. i know there's -- and i know we don't get what we ask for all the time. so on that sense, i know what we want which mainly the air cover. the bombing mission for the enemy locations where our forces advance. i'm very much concentrating on this because this is vital for our, it's vital to save lives on the ground. without this, i've seen it in the past if i don't talk to the president directly, i don't talk to the vice president directly, if i don't talk to the officials higher up, thing will go wrong.

we want to make sure because maybe the -- against dash in iraq. i have to do it charlie with minimum casualties. and i think that's what we have done. we have to talk i try and i think there must be talk between us. that trust is important. we have to keep that trust. >> rose: is there a trust today. >> yes, i'm confident there is. i'm confident the trust is leading me to support iraq. i think this is vital. the united states must understand that iraq is an ally. iraq is an ally. iraq is a democratic country now. different -- in iraq. but at least our partnership with u.s. is a partnership of choice by the iraqi people. and i think that's what we have decided. the government of iraq, the parliament of iraq all the framework such an agreement the

parliament before has passed. it has been accepted in the country and we are moving. this will benefit the iraqi people and will benefit the region. >> rose: and you're looking for support as well. >> yes. we have a fiscal problem because the drop of oil prices and of course we don't want money, no opportunity will give just money like that. i think there's expect in u.s. and there are categories which can help us with this problem this year and the coming year. we only need just the public assessment -- we need some guarantees on some items. we want to move forward. i think there are enough international financial institutions who will work with iraq but we need that support. >> rose: you talked to the imf and you talked to the world bank. >> exactly. i think they are promising, they are very north coming. i'm very happy that i met them. and i think they were very

happy. it's like a workmanship relationship. and they're sending the delegation to baghdad. >> rose: return to the war on the ground and the fight against dash or the fight against isis. how do you see it today. and what's the strategy now? >> the strategy is -- unfortunately bay -- we have liberated them some time ago. we owned the main road to reach to the refinery. we clean all this area to make it completely safe. as we've done it if other areas and the rest. once we do that, we are at the same time as anbar. anbar is important because anbar will open the way for us to

mosul. there was an opinion we should start with mosul but my vision is we should move to anbar. that will give us more resources. >> rose: to do well of anbar you need the support of sunni. >> we need the support of locals. >> rose: are you getting it. >> well, yes. anbar, i mean we have many thousands people who want to join us -- anbar. we have lifted almost 4,500 now. there are many more than this number. they want to join the iraqi security forces in fighting dash. and we've been -- of course we have to be careful because it's not a matter of members it's a matter how we can use these members to the areas. you have to manage these people so they are most effective

fighting dash. we are handing them arms and we list them by names and everything's accounted for. and they will be iraqi fighting force. our volunteers, civilians but you have to give them the -- they have to come under the -- >> rose: as you know there are reports of atrocities on the part of shi'a militias, some under the control of iranian military advisors. is that happening and what will you do to stop it? >> any violation of human -- >> rose: will you accept the fact they have taken place on the part of shi'a militias. >> the cities -- >> rose: we're talking about warfare, we're talking about soldiers coming in and doing obscene things to people that they consider of a different --

>> well i challenge anybody giving me proof of security forces or soldiers doing that when i became prime minister. a lot of this i've seen is they were in summer when dash came into iraqi to kill people. >> rose: it's not about dash too it's also about militia. >> i know. people have taken arms people civilians have taken arms from dash. when people take arms to help dash they will commit something wrong because they're not trained to do that. and they are not trained to follow the law. they will take the law into their own hands. let's why -- if you talk now in the last few months when we had everybody in the control i would challenge anybody to bring an evidence that soldiers or iraqi -- >> rose: not the iraqi army, we're talking about shi'a militias.

>> if we talk about militias, the iraqi constitution forbids the militia forming the country. what i'm saying i think we have two things. if we talk about militias militias are organized armed people outside the state. i said that in iraq and i say it here. these are the enemy of the iraqi people. we take many of them in prison. >> rose: aren't you using them in the fight against dash? >> we are using volunteers. we have volunteers to fight against dash that are citizens who out of their national aspiration, they want to fight this enemy -- some of them haven't received enough training. some of them will commit such crimes and we make them accountable. if we catch these, and we are i

look at, every unacceptable thing which has been committed i ask for these people to be recognized, once they are recognized and arrested brought to justice. we have zero tolerance to this. after all the war, we don't have control over all the areas. >> rose: help me understand this. it was the u.s. held back in terms of air strikes at the time that the militias and the iraqi army were engaged in combat into crete. why did they hold back? what was the reason? there was a delay in the air strikes. >> well i've been told the delay was because they didn't have enough reconsons in that area. >> rose: reconnaissance.

>> try to define targets and these targets you want to hit. you have to make sure these are not population or civilians who may be killed. or there is no infrastructure that may be damaged. >> rose: i was told several weeks ago he gets information from iraq having to do with air strikes that are going to take place in iraq and in syria. does your government, in order to give information to the americans, take information from the syrians and give information to the americans so there can be a coordination of american. >> we don't -- at all, whatsoever. >> rose: you're providing no coordination with the syrian government. >> no. >> rose: but the president of syria told me he gets information from the iraqis. >> iraqi i'm not aware of that.

i'm not aware of any dialogue or any contract with the syrians. we have contracts with -- embassy in baghdad. and i have visited syria recently. but that is because we don't know, we don't have information about the bombing mission at all. and of course we're not even being notified. >> rose: how does the coordination take place between these air strikes and iraqi armed forces and shi'a militias who are on the ground so they could be most effective as possible. >> that's the example what we have done is we have brought everybody, every fighter there under the control of the commander in that area. there's a commander which is appointed by the commander that includes the police force and this what you call militia. this would come from him. he has to designate, he has to

get to us a target which he thinks and that target is approved by this commander who comes to the joint command center which is approved by an iraqi general and passed on to the international coalition. they have to approve it because they have to find out. >> rose: you also have to coordinate it with iranian advisors as well don't you. >> no. >> rose: you don't. >> no this is all done -- >> rose: the iranian advisors are there as you and i talked about before, your friend. you have to understand how the coordination takes place on the ground. mosul is coming up after ramadan, correct. >> we don't know yet, i'm not getting timetable or anything. >> rose: but it will be after ramadan, it won't be before ramadan. >> well yes, more often than

not. >> rose: more likely than not after ramadan. >> yes. >> rose: do you think it's going to be the spring or the summer or the fall? and what's necessary to get to that point? because that is the climatic battle. >> i think we have al gated so many brigades who will move to mosul to liberate it. this must be fully equipped. this is one of the reasons i came here. we want this brigades to be fullly equipped with heavy military equipment. and i think an agreement between us. >> rose: obama said you would get the military equipment you need for the battle to come for mosul. >> exactly. >> rose: fully equipped to drive isis dash out of mosul. that's the assurance this president gave you. >> we didn't get involved into the details of course because the details have been left to the secretary of defense to the commands to fulfill this

mission. everyone said yes, we can fulfill this mission and everything is on time. and we hope to work towards that. >> rose: because you're an observer of the region i'm interesting in how you seesaw rounding areas. a little bit of controversy developed here. you saw the "new york times" and you've been answering questions about this all day. tensions flare between allies and u.s. coalition critique of saudi arabia by iraqi puts obama in difficult spots. is this a real effort by you to say to the president we're very concerned about what saudi arabia is doing because we have a very strong relationship with the iranians and they're our friend and they're supporting the government that is not supported by the -- >> no, that's not the story. the story is like this. now we are living in the same region and we have to work

together. now dash is a huge territorial organization in the whole region. now we have to take heavily the rights of the people and the infrastructure that this organization was due to dash, isis. we believe this has affected the whole region and we want to get this message across. we should concentrate on this enemy. this enemy -- >> rose: that's not the enemy in yemen. >> well they are -- in yemen -- that's set in jordan. the jordannians were in liaison with us and they're very forthcoming in supporting us in our fight against dash. we want to see the gulf, the rest of the gulf states to have the same awareness about this. and i'm not sure they're getting

it. in our talk with them, they know of dash but i don't know whether they're sensing it or not. the problem is -- >> rose: who doesn't sense it. >> well leaders of the gulf. >> rose: they don't sense it. >> it appears they do. it appears they do. but it's not my business -- i mean that's a place to manage their own affairs. but of course it's my business if something in there in this region can affect us. syria was not our business and everybody said it's not our business and -- position that turns out to be dash was grown up from that misery. >> rose: i came from syria to iraq. >> exactly. across the border killed our

citizens, will and children expowpped our cities and we paid dearly to evict them from this area and we continue to do so. something is affecting us. somebody done something somewhere else like yemen and this terrorist the whole rein. if this becomes a -- definitely they will benefit from that. dash is on sectarian so i think we have the real fear. what's happening there can affect iraq and the rest of the region and play heavily with iraqi blood and yes men as well. it has got all the seeds of again becoming a regional sectarian war which we don't want. i think our mission is this war must be stopped and this is the business of the yemen people and

the only way forward. >> rose: the iranians are on one side your friend and the saudis are on the other side. >> they are both our friends. >> rose: that's what makes it difficult for the president. >> i don't know if it make it difficult for the president or not but it is a conflict. in all honesty i think everybody -- there was no huge iranian involvement in yemen. >> rose: but they report. >> well that's different. >> rose: throughout the government. >> okay. that's what they support, okay. now is that a new policy? is there a government did all right you bomb that country. that's dangerous. are you getting -- this must be stopped. >> rose: but a government that's iranian didn't like it was thrown out of power.

>> well, you see, that's where i think we have to draw the line. is this internal conflict or is this regional conflict. everybody knows it was internal conflict. it's been going on for more than two years. it's internal problems in yemen. it has blown out of proportion. i think a lot of people intervene, try to find a solution. that solution didn't work. it's moved from worse to worse. and this is internal conflict. doesn't help if you start bombarding that country. does it reduce the regional involvement in the country. it's quite obvious it will increase it. >> rose: you don't believe that the saudi air strikes helped the situation in yemen? >> not at all. in my opinion it's an increase involvement. >> rose: but they shouldn't be doing it. >> yes i believe they shouldn't. now if we are out -- because they don't like what's going on

there, i think you need a -- to do it and -- >> rose: tell me what you worry about most. you worry about dash isil in iraq. you worry about them in syria. you worry about them as a terrorist organization. >> correct. >> rose: you worry about them making, gaining ground in parts of your country and you worry about how much land they control because part of that land has oil revenue. that's what you worry about. >> correct. >> rose: in terms of the region, do you, what's the thing that brings you the biggest concern? is it the spread of the sectarian conflict? >> well, this is -- >> rose: isis is sunni, if iraq is majority. >> yes. >> rose: iran's shi'a.

saudi arabia's sunni, emirates -- >> my problem is this. somebody is trying to turn regional differences into sectarian differences. there is regional competition for control of the region or to e tend the control in the region. and that has been forbidden -- sectarianism. >> rose: who is that? >> well, i think this is very clearly between iranian and the rest of the gulf states -- competely -- supremacy in the world -- in syria, going to create a message in yemen as well. >> rose: do you blame both sides on the one hand saudi arabia and on the other side iran. >> yes. >> rose: you blame them both. that's part of the problem the competition and power in the region and influence. >> they are using sectarianism for that. >> rose: on both sides. >> exactly.

and that's why we are paying high price for this. we happen to be in the middle. we are mixed. we are shi'as we're sunnis. we ended up having dash coming into our country bringing the struggle they want to protect the sunnis -- and iraqi sunnis have -- but dash is imprisoning sunnis destroying sunni cities and they are joining that to fight dash. now all of a sudden some other problems come here in the region trying to mix up cards and this which we don't like. i think we have to concentrate on this. i don't want to make -- that's exactly -- i was talking with -- and we have this open dialogue now. they have their embassy now in

baghdad -- we have a very good working relationship with jordan egypt -- and we want to expand this relationship. so my comments was not against saudi arabia, my comment was as a regional thing. iraq has an opinion what's happening and we talk like a friend like neighbors. >> rose: some people believe you're closer to because your country's majority shi'a, closer to iran than you are to the sunni states. that you are more a friend of iran than you are a friend of those people in the coalition to help you get rid of dash in your country. >> well they are trying to whoever support us and aid us against our enemy with dash. and you know that iran we have the long history and with the rest of these countries.

if you look at the balance of trade, we have more trade with turkey than around. that's fact. and after iraqis they go to work in countries more than they do in iran. so that's fact as well. so it's actually mutual interests. and -- to serve the people. i have to serve the people with our interest. if iran is providing iraq with support and aid to combat dash, i will conduct -- saudi arabia was to match that i even -- >> rose: if you drive dash out of iraq, are shi'a militia, is iran going to have more influence than the united states would like for it to have in iraq?

they worry about that as you know. >> i know. >> rose: that is what you had in washington. >> there's an iraqi worry about that. iraqi they want to deliberate their land not to give it to others. that's why we're giving our blood to fight with dash to get rid of it. not -- getting support in terms of intelligence, in terms of advices, in terms of training and weapons. we're not getting support from any country whether international coalition or iran in terms of soldiers fighting on the grounds against dash with iraqis. only iraqis are fighting with the ground. >> rose: there are no iranians fighting on the ground. >> no. >> rose: you said that to me -- and you're saying it to me now. no iranians even though there are iranians advisors. >> correct. >> rose: and american advisors. >> correct. the difference between the two. >> rose: what's the difference. >> the -- >> rose: what is it.

>> where american advisors are there basically are there in locations where they can help iraqi commands and help training iraqi forces while american iranian advisors -- they can go to the front to advise. they don't fight. >> rose: but they go to the front. >> yes. >> rose: because we're seen the general in the front. >> exactly. they don't fight they don't have arms -- >> rose: do they give instruction to the shi'a militia. >> well, they give advice. now i have to be clear on this. if they are giving advice, does that make militia in iraq -- consider this as hostile to iraq. i made that very public. i made it very clear. >> rose: to president

rouhani. >> everybody in iran we made it very clear. >> rose: if they are -- >> this is a hostile move towards iraq. >> rose: what is the hostile move. >> if they use any group in iraq -- this is not a friendly gesture. iran, the iranians haven't said anything. they say we are here to help the iraqis through their own national government and we expense iraqi solvency. if there are people waiting outside of that because it's hostile and the iranians are assuring us they're not doing this, they're advising -- they only give us the -- >> rose: you think that what do you think the purpose of the americans and what do you think the purpose of the iranians is? and is it the same? >> well it's the -- i think the comment 1a is to help iraq to

fight dash. >> rose: has there been any consideration here, conversations in the congress in the whitehouse, at the pentagon, about the necessity possibly of more american troops coming to iraq? because the speaker of the house has entertained that idea as recently as the last couple days. >> well, i don't turn to what government in washington -- >> rose: has there been a conversation about that? >> no. >> rose: not at all? you haven't said we may need more than we're getting. >> no, not in terms of troops. i think it's the full stop. there is no means for troops on the ground or boots on the ground. we did ask for it. they don't have that in mind or in planning and we accept that.

>> rose: but that's not going to happen. >> period. >> rose: what do you think of the turks? >> well, we're working with them. what we have done see we may have different things with different countries. true, for over the last decade or so or more there has been the -- with certain countries and our neighbors. in my opinion and that's the policy of this government we shouldn't stop short of any relationship because we have -- that is a reason why we should build a very good working relationship. it doesn't mean we have to neglect the existence but we can keep them, shove them aside until we are able to show them. and we can move forward with other mutual interests which are much much more, occupies much more area in our bilateral relationship than those which we differ. >> rose: with kobani and the

troops they wanted to do in syria and they did not do that. as you know a lot of young people have come through the turkish border to join dash in iraq and fight iraqi soldiers. correct? >> well, yes. the last time and i think the turks are worried about this. that's what i can sense. >> rose: so they're trying to close their border. >> i've seen, yes a development and improvement in that in the last couple months. we like them to do much much more because most foreign -- come from syria to iraq we don't like that because they are killing the iraqis killing innocent civilians.

the same with smuggling -- and other valueables which is sustaining the fight of dash. i think one of the main item which i'm talking about coalition partners -- as well. and the turks tell me they are doing their utmost, they cannot recognize who is terrorist, who is not. i think they have stood studio -- to do much much more than what they do. after all turkey is a neighbor and we have a huge trade relationship with them. and there are a lot of turkish contractors in iraq and citizens. and there are many iraqi citizens -- >> rose: how about the egyptians? >> well, i think we -- with the egyptians with the rest of this government -- has to put a relationship between the two

countries. and egypt is -- because the drop of oil prices doesn't allow us to do much. i haven't said that. i think there is room for a relationship which we can benefit and they can benefit as well, exchange of goods, exchange of know-how and others. this we have talked about in my visits -- from egypt to iraq. you see egypt is set in the central -- just terrorism and there's dash. it's the same dash who is fighting us from dash fighting inside -- and other places. >> rose: help us understand this idea of whether dash has kidnapped islamic religion has

taken it and given it meaning that it doesn't have. yet at the same time a lot of young people coming to join it because they've been influenced by people and clerics and -- what's happening within islam. >> it's not within islam. i think true dash has hijacked and they have done disservice. by all honesty, those who have the minimum knowledge about this plan -- original mercy supposed to be. this is a region of hatred, a region of killing each other, a religion of eliminating your opposition. those who don't believe in you or those who have different ideas than you.

you know in islam there's just a freedom of ideology, freedom of belief which is a quiet fundamental element of the islamic belief. dash doesn't believe in this. >> rose: they call themself? >> you have to look carefully. >> rose: jihadists. >> they are creating that out on -- >> rose: they're creating it out of al-qaeda and iraq. >> first it came from, you see there are a lot of these jihadists and extremists that went to afghanistan to train there. the problem is some self appointed imams seven appointed -- and they call them bleaches and they tried to breach these youngsters and tried to educate them with

hatred, with killing others. this ideology i have to be frank is not only in iraq, in the region. people come to dash to practice their ideology. they are not allowed to practice it in the gulf. they're not allowed to practice it in other countries where there's one order, where there's a very strong central government who would not allow them. so they come to where there's no order and practice there what they think of eliminating their opposition eliminating -- i know many people they just don't want to listen to a different opinion that's fine for them. but for you to eliminate those who don't agree with you or don't see along the lines you believe in, this is very dangerous and that's what dash is doing. dash is not only killing minorities or killing shi'a, killing others who follow different region and different

faith. dash are coming people who follow the exactly same sect that dash is believing in but they differ with them about different things and then they start to kill them. they are very ma malicious. >> rose: tell us about -- >> it's a mixed feeling. i think overall they are with those as seen as supporting them and eagerly want to get rid of their enemies which is dash. i know the there has been a very slow start at the beginning and some people got very angry with

this. they were in baghdad and other areas there was a very slow start by the u.s. and other allies. >> rose: didn't respond quickly enough. >> exactly. i think that left some dent. >> rose: but at the same time, some say that if in fact the american troops had remained there, are the 10,000 or so, 5 to 10,000, it might have been an impediment to the rise of dash in iraq. was that a mistake in retrospect not to sign an agreement to allow some american troops there. >> it's very lard i -- hard i think to reach that conclusion. i think it's a decision taken then. >> rose: by your predecessor. >> the iraqi government and the u.s. administration, they couldn't agree on the formula for immunity for u.s. forces in

iraq. i mean i think -- couldn't give that and the forces were withdrawn. >> rose: is there any doubt in your mind finally that iraq will remain as a state which there will not be a split between the kurds and the sunnis and the shi'a. that you will be able to hold together the diverse components that make up the iraqi state today. >> yes. if you look at iraq now compared to a year ago. there are more forces -- and that's the progress. now iraqis are being pulled to each other, they are fighting the same war, they're fighting together. if you look now sunni shi'a are fighting together, they're fighting against dash. not anyone like it was before.

like the country was polarized and there are forces within it who take each side away. i think that's a development in the country -- to unite the country i have no doubt the country will work together with different decentralization of authority. >> rose: decentralization of authority. this is one of the problems that first place. >> exactly. this is being said or stated in the constitution. and i think this one force will unite the people. when you give them decentralization they stay together. when you force them to stay against their will they well go by the way. >> rose: that's your challenge. >> exactly that's the choice. >> rose: mr. prime minister thank you for your time. i know you've had a long long day and you have to catch your plane to fly you back to baghdad. >> thank you. >> rose: who are the world's

most influential people? well it depends on who you ask. time magazine is out with its choices, the annual powerless of the 100 titan pioneers, artists leaders and icons who shape our world. nancy gibbs is the manager editor of time magazine and i'm pleased to have her back as we take a look at the time 100. in case nobody knows tell us how you go about collecting these people. >> it's a highly democratic process which is ultimately the editors just get to choose. >> rose: yes, exactly. >> what's happening is we go to pass 100's as well as our reporters and bureau chiefs around the world and ask all of them who is it who you are seeing who are not just center stage that we all are aware of like some of the people you see in our covers but also the people we may not have heard about making a difference in their various field. what's gotten particularly interesting now is that part about making a difference in your field, that's what's

changing. there's a convergence between technology and arts and culture and science where many of the people we're featuring it's because of influence they're having outside of their normal field. so for instance tim cook is on the list. it's obvious he's running apple, the most valuable company in the world, they've launched the watch. except john lewis writes about him as a civil rights figure now. similar see gillibrand works about child victims of sexual assault. very often it's maybe someone rich or powerful and it's what they done with the fame, power influence in some field other than where they started. >> rose: how do you choose which is equally interesting to me who rights about them. for example maureen powell, steve jobs widow writes about hillary clinton. hillary clinton writes about

elizabeth warren. >> asking hillary clinton to write about elizabeth warren is a little -- >> rose: not you. >> she writes about how senator warren really holds people's feet to the fire whether it's bankers or presidential candidates. and sometimes we ask sort of rivals to write about one another. partly because they're in the best position to appreciate someone's influence. we asked scalia to write about ruth bader ginsberg. >> rose: they're friends. >> he writes about the role he plays within the set of justices to sharpen everyone's print and that's the kind of influence i think is fascinating to watch. >> rose: what are you looking for in what they write t why elon musk. >> here is -- who is known globally as this musical super star but who is increasingly movying into other fields

particularly analysis. but the way kanye talks about design, design will save the world design is about solving problems and elon musk is somebody who design has been a central part of all his endeavors. they speak a language with one another and has respect that transcends the individual fields they operate in. >> rose: and johnny ives who writes about -- part of that world. >> part of that world and in a position to appreciate it. we like it if they have dealt with one another and have a kind of knowledge of one another that tells us something surprising. taylor swift wrote about, i think cooking with anna gotten's recipes i did not know she once worked in the whitehouse in nuclear policy. >> rose: why did you choose taylor. >> because she's both a fan and someone who really has an understanding about why of all the people who have been helping us figure out how to operate in

the kitchen and throw a party, that she has done it in a way that is really special. >> rose: you want equally balanced between u.s. and the world? >> i think the list is about 40% american, or it's a majority non-u.s. although many of these figures their foot prints is very global so where they operate from doesn't -- >> rose: that's where obama that's why putin is on. >> we asked heads of state to write about other heads of state where we could because in a way they are the ones who can understand. so we asked obama to write about dromody because they had met long ago. we asked david cameron to write about the new iraqi prime minister al-abadi. the king of jordan to write about the king of saudi arabia. i think that sometimes gifts us a little measure of understanding that might be hard to get otherwise. >> rose: by the way just to be a bit self promotional al-abadi is on this program with you tonight. >> there you go. >> rose: people might not

necessarily know who is maria kanden. >> she's taken us about clutter. the joy of getting rid of all the stuff that clutters up our homes and our drawers and our heads has been this remarkable phenomena because she talks about looking at every object you own and asking whether or not it brings you joy. and so that idea that having as much stuff as it is possible for all of us to have now may become almost burdensome and that she is giving people a kind of prescription for that problem has turned out to be this fascinating kind of global phenomenon. >> rose: a brilliant young entrepreneur. >> founder of sear nos finding a blood test making it easier to diagnose with a much simpler

test. >> rose: ask henry kissinger to write about her and she's an advisor. >> she left stanford to start this company and has been i think really capturing the emergenciation of people who see some of the most important innovations whether it's in technology or medicine or the arts. coming from a people at much earlier ages they might once have. it's possible now to have an enormous impact without having spent 30 years in your field without necessarily having billions of dollars behind you. we've seen that over and over again, these ideas that very young people are often coming up with and are able to ultimately get funding for because of the power of the idea itself. now i'll point out, not everyone on the list as good guy. not all influence is benign so

kim jung-un is on the list. influence for good or ill. obviously we much prefer to feature people who are making a positive difference. there's no question that putin is someone who has both power and influence. you said at the outset that is the power list. >> rose: what about influence. >> and there really is a difference especially now where influence has become is so much more democratic. and again that's because of technology. if you have a good idea, if you write a great song, you can distribute that, you can build an audience for that so quickly so globally without necessarilypr2' being part of the traditional institution that once controlled who had access to that kind of audience. >> rose: who out of the obvious, obama, putin, has consistently been on the list. oprah was on seven or eight lists. >> oprah was on many times. one of the ones who is on her third year of the row and for a third year in the row is at

youngest is mahala. chelsea clinton wrote about her. last year gabby giffords did when she is looking at victims of gun violence. this year it was written by a 17 year old syrian girl a refugee who talk board of director malala inspired her in refugee cam's talking about girls going to school. you need to get an education. no one will save you, you have to save ourselves. it's a powerful voice of a young woman listening to a very powerful voice of another young woman and transmitting that message to other girls who are in these incredibly challenging situations. and i found that a very powerful one. >> rose: are they hard choices for you. >> it's hard because obviously there are more than a hundred people. in a sense any one of these people you could say it's a since of many other people who are doing extraordinary things. >> rose: when did you begin to think about this? >> the day after we close.

we start we're starting thinking about next year's list today. >> rose: great to have you. >> nice to be here. >> rose: gunter grass the german writer died sunday. german chancellor merkel said grass shaped post art history with his artistic and political engagement. he was here in our program in 2007 for an interview and here is an excerpt from that conversation. characterize what you have done by telling us your experience in the ss -- >> i write in this book about my mistakes not asking questions. that's for me for me much heavier than this short time because i was drafted. it was not my guilt. there is no reason to speak

about guilt. you can say why i didn't say -- i did in 60's nobody listened, after it i didn't speak about it. if you think it's a mystic, be a mystic. i think it's right for me to decide by myself, to speak about all what has happened to me. 0fas a boy and as a young man. my young years not only by this one point of the short as some weeks all this time together needed some time to write about and i think the decision to do it in my late years was not because my memories just specialize for this part of my life much better than it was before. >> rose: for mere about this program and early episodes visit us on-line at pbs.org and

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