. >> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with the cbs evening news story on the tragedy in nepal. here is scott pelley of cbs. >> in kathmandu today they worked frantically digging through mountains of ru rubble with shovels and even their bare hands. >> this man was found alive after a search team tunneled through the wreckage to where he was trapped. >> volunteer rescue worker hoped they will find other survivors, but know they may only discover more bodies. >> >> whatever we have, we will deal with. if we can say somebody's life that's what we are looking for. >> this quake rocked just before

midday on saturday. the violence of the tremors was captured by this hotel security video. from the air, you can see nepal's historic capital, now pockmarked with flattened buildings. >> and there have been aftershocks, jostling a company already on edge. tens of thousands of people still sleeping in makeshift camps, some now homeless but others think aftershocks could bring more buildings down on top of them. >> in this over crowded hospital, where doctors are struggling to treat the wounded we met whose home was demolished by the quake. despite his fractured spine he is alive. the rest of his family didn't make it. >> my wife and son, i lost both

of them. >> reporter: they are already remating the dead in kathmandu writing, lighting funeral pires, including this girl's father. >> nepal is grief stricken and still counting its dead. a. >> we continue with analysis and perspective from andrew, andrew revkin, sanjeev sherchan and laurent lamothe. >> nepal as you already know is one of the poorest countries. it is going to send the country back, definitely but one good thing hopefully that will come out of this is, you know, we have had this very frac sthus political situation, we still don't have a constitution. we still are looking for a new constitution so hopefully what people are hoping is, in light of this calamity that the political parties will come

together for the rebuilding effort and hopefully that will take the country in the right direction economically politically, socially because it is a very fractious political situation. >> rose: we conclude this evening with roger goodell the commissioner of the nhl. >> i nfl. >> i want to talk about two things. one, this idea of the nfl having a different standard than law enforcement, so you not waiting for a decision by law enforcement for how you will look at cases of personal abuse? >> well, we have a personal policy, that you can violent our personal conduct policy, but not violate the law because we do have a higher standard. but we also don't have to prove it in the court of law. so if we believe that an act is more likely to have happened and violates our personal conduct policy then we can subject that

individual to discipline and that is something we think is part of having a higher standard in the nfl. >> people expect more from the nfl. they expect people the commissioners, coaches executives and owners players they expect a very high level of standard and when we don't get that, there are consequences. >> has this experience reminded you of the fact that through adverse at this, through challenging times, where there are people who suffered, you might learn things that will make your institution stronger than if it hadn't gone through? >> yes. you always want to avoid that if you can. >> but it is never fun. >> rose: and -- >> but it causes you to say what are the right things? what do we have to do here to do the right things going forward? and we have always tried to do that. when you don't hit that mark it just reminds you that you have to work harder and you have to

reach harder so how did you handle this idea of people who thought that tape of ray rice had to be somehow -- maybe you have seen it even though you say you haven't -- somebody else had seen it. maybe they hadn't. maybe it was lying around. at that time, there were a lot of people who said there is no way that the nfl would not have had its hands on that tape. >> well, charlie i think the best way of doing sit getting somebody whose integrity was unquestioned, that was independent, and give them full ability to look into anything they wanted to look into. phone records, texts mails anything that could have helped them determine whether that was the case. and what they found was we didn't hesitate we didn't see the tape, either one of those issues and so that was something we needed to be able to go through to make sure that our clubs knew that that wasn't the case, they knew our general

public knew that wasn't the case. and i believe director muller did that in a way that is beyond reproach. >> rose: and his conclusion was there was no tape here? >> well the conclusion is there was no tape here and and no one had seen the tape here. >> rose: when you look at the remaining issue that we have talked about, it is this idea of personal safety, is your mission to make sure that the nfl knows more about concussions than anybody and is doing more? >> well, we want to do more. we are never going to know more than the medical world. >> rose: but be informed. >> we want to be informed by the medical and scientific world. we want research to be done so that we know what facts are. and that we can do the best we possibly can to protect our players when they are playing and every other generation of

players. in all sports and. >> rose: and what about the responsibility of those who already have suffered and no longer are in the league? >> well, we have programs that are designed for that. we have many players that may have suffered injuries. we have programs that we hope will be response safe to giving them the kind of care. whether -- a lot of times you can't -- you can't really determine causation, and that is one of the things that judge brody said in her decision. the causation wasn't clear here. and there were other legal defenses. but we wanted to do what was right and to get -- to get resources available to families that are going through difficult times. and that is what we have done. >> rose: the tragedy in nepal and a conversation with roger goodell when we continue. funding for charlie rose is provided by the >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:

>> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: a powerful earthquake struck nepal on saturday the 7.8 tremor centered 70 miles east of the kathmandu is the worse quake to hit the country in 70 years. more than 4,000 deaths and 6500 injuries have been confirmed. the death toll is expected to rise as many remain trapped under mounds of rubble. the quake also launched an avalanche on mount everest, 18 were killed

and dozens more were injured. joining me now to talk about this ongoing story, sanjeev sherchan, and associate director of the asia society, also andrew revkin of "the new york times", and joining by phone the former prime minister of that country laurent lamothe, i am pleased to have each of them on this program for this story. first tell us about the area that has been, in nepal that has been affected and what is the status as much as you know of the people there? >> yes. epicenter of this earthquake is a little northwest of kathmandu fortunately it was not in kathmandu because it is one of the most densely populated urban areas. had it been kathmandu the epicenter had been kathmandu you would see thousands and thousands of more deaths. but gorka is not kathmandu and we are still actually assessing the level of damage in those

areas, districts, because they are still now counting the deaths in those villages, but it is about 50 some kilometers from kathmandu, and as you said earlier, charlie, about 4,000 deaths so far, about 8,000 injured, and people are still sleeping outside for fear. >> rose: what could -- what could the death toll rise to? what are the worst expectations? >> i think probably double the number, but still right now, the rescue, the recovery that is going on in different rural parts of nepal. so in the next few days we will definitely see the number go up. >> rose: and what about aid coming in? >> there has been a lot of aid coming in pouring in from china, u.s., israel and many other countries but my fear is, there has to be a better

coordination, i hope there is a better coordination of all the different aid coming in so it goes to the right places, it goes to the right places and it is most effectively distributed. >> rose: and evacuation and trying to get people, uncover those that may still be buried and the second is food and shelter and medical treatment. >> medical treatment because we have to remember that the next phase, the danger of widespread diseases that might come about and that is something we have to be careful about. >> rose: laurent lamothe you can speak to that, tell us about haiti after the disastrous earthquake that hit your country. >> well, haiti was hit by a earthquake of major proportions. the country was completely in shock and one of the big challenges that we have had also is the coordination of -- we have had, you know, several

thousand helping. we had several governments helping. but what is very important to remember and to focus on right now in nepal you have centralized leadership and response, for the government to be leading this effort and the government to play sort of a control tower effect and coordinate the aid coming in. it is challenging and i know many people want to respond and to do it immediately but it is very important that the government of the country is allowed to leave the coordination, the coordination effort. they have responded so far. i think they have -- it is very important for the international community to also support the country by promising aid and whatever they promise should be cleared, clear and transparent and also be very quickly because one of the things that happened in haiti is we were

promised $9 billion, so we made all of the development plans based on ref hugh that we would get from this conference and we only had 48 percent which is half of it which significantly upset our efforts to rebuild the country. so this should be corrected. >> rose: talk about the science and why this is an area that is especially prone to this kind of thing. >> well, the proneness is the function of india, the sub continent of india is ramming into asia, eurasia and it had for millions of years and the power of that is what limited up the himalayas, itself and an extraordinary amount of energy there and it gets pent up and then it gets periodically released. there are faults in the earth that are more predictable than others. science is still unfolding, and at the same time what happened in places like all along the himalayan range, not just in the mountains but city like deli

have become mega cities, not kuala lumpur. >> kathmandu is not a mega city yet but you have this inrush of people to a region where the tech tonic history is more and more relevant -- apparent to scientists, but it is all happening, the development is happening in fast motion, even as you have the slow motion forces and unpredict to believe the point, you can't say it is next year. but the political priority are always other things when you have an earthquake threat on top of basic functionality, development and you get this kind of real -- >> rose:. >> the horrifying thing is the scientists i talk to have this real wrenching sense of like the inevitability of it haunts them. i wrote about that on my blog. >> rose: yes. >> and then you do what you can for education, and through working with, you know, officials to try to get some capacity to, so you are not just responding but making sure that next one at least, you are reducing the risk ahead of time, the u.n. have a big effort on

this line as well. >> and strategy like 1988, we had like about six-point some richter scale earthquake, this is east of kathmandu and about 1,000 deaths at that time. but this one i think, because it is so shallow, it is so shallow and then that's why you see the massive devastation and loss of life. >> rose: how many people were killed in haiti? >> 250,000 and half a million injured. >> rose: what has haiti learned from the experience it had? >> the number one thing that we learned is to bring the country back to normal city and avoid by all costs -- because in doing so by providing, you know, to residents that are in dire need of help, is to respond quickly evacuate people to other cities, but to avoid the tent camps,

because haiti, after the earthquake, we had about 1.5 million people in tent camps which is 50 percent of the residents of port-au-prince and that was a huge challenge to control, and it took us four years really to solve that problem, and it took us over $100 million. so it was very important for the authorities and for them to apply a strategy to avoid the people staying in tents too long. >> rose: do you have any warning that an earthquake is coming? >> i interviewed an seismologist about this is they say never you can never tell a fore hock is a fore shock the earth is a complicated system and you do know whether it is istanbul where i spent in 2009 writing about the earthquake threat or haiti where there is another one, that was -- it is not a one-time event, in fact it probably raised the odds in

haiti of the next section closer to the port-au-prince failing or in the himalayas, in my piece today in the times on the blog on dot earth there is a section that says this earthquake probably at least slightly tipped the odds of bigger one happening, but again the scientists said we can't say if it is going to be tomorrow or next week or 20 years from now and that's why, one thing that is really important in nepal i am sure you agree is, this was not the big one for one thing, for kathmandu, as you heard this is a little bit further away and so no one should feel like we are over it and okay and actually the death toll is much less than what people have predicted. there was talk for years of 100,000 or more fatalities. >> rose: what does this mean for nepal's economy? >> nepal as you already know is one of the poorest countries. it is going to set the country back, definitely, but one good thing hopefully that come out of

this is, you know we have had this very fractious political situation. we still don't have a constitution. we are still looking for a new constitution so what people are hoping is, in light of this calamity that the political parties will come together for the rebuilding efforts and hopefully that will take the country in the right direction economically, politically socially because it is a very fractious political situation. there are lots of talk about federalism that is going on but they haven't been able to move it in the right direction, so that is our hope. >> back to haiti when the attention goes away does aid go away? >> absolutely. absolutely. and that is one of the issues we have had to deal with is when the cameras are off and when we have the headlines, a lot of

times, you know, funding dries out and the interest in the country dies out and it is very important, the lesson we learned is to have a coherent strategy and to work with the international partners to keep the country relevant and execute the plan that we control in terms of rebuilding the country, because that that is the hardest part. and the biggest challenge is in the headlines, then the donors usually, they lose interest and don't necessarily keep the funding going which, you know significantly hurt the country in the short and long run. >> rose: thank you. great to have you here. sanjeev. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you. it was a pleasure. >> rose: we will be right back to conversation with roger goodell, the commissioner of the nfl when we continue. >> >> rose: roger good dell has been commissioner of the nfl since 2006 it cemented its

place as america's most popular sports. revenue grew more than 60 percent to roughly $10 billion per year, 2014 was a trying year for the nfl, a series of off field incidents involving player violence sparked a national uproar, in august goodell apologized for not doing more after a video revealed former raven running back punching his fiance in an elevator, the nfl revamped their public conduct policy and a staff on player conduct. and priorities have been taken to decrease concussions and compensate former players who suffered from the effects of head trauma. this afternoon, i spoke with roger goodell at the nfl office in manhattan. >> rose: you have the job you always wanted. you have a job many people consider the best job in the world, especially if they are football fans. but it -- but it has been a tough year since july.

what have you learned for yourself, for this league? >> >> rose: that is important for all of us to know? >> well, charlie it has been a tough year in many ways but, you know, with adversity comes opportunity and i believe that both individually and as an organization. and we responded in a very positive way. i think changes that we have made through our personal conduct policy, through personnel, that are around us help us make better decisions, and also, to get away from a complete reliance on law enforcement as it related to domestic violence issues, sexual assault issues. >> rose: mean initiate your own investigations. >> not only initiate but you carry them through and you will see to gather facts not in conflict with criminal justice system, but there are information and facts that we want to know that are going to be important to us in applying our standard and what we did in

our personal conduct boil is set that policy forth to make sure that people understood exactly what the standards were, but also the process and we have seen that play out where the process now allows us to get better facts better information, which will lead to a better decision. including having better people around the table to give you perspective and that is something that we always knew the nfl was held to a high standard, we embrace that and accept that, and we have to do better. and when we don't hit that, we will have to do better in the future and that's what we are committed to doing. >> rose: is there any other lesson for you yourself, understanding that the challenge you faced, understanding the role you had to play? >> well, i think any time you are making decisions you want to get that perspective. you have to give people, you have people who may disagree who can bring a different perspective, understanding difficult issues and make better

decisions going forward and that is something we are committed to and i am committed to. as an individual, you know, adversity is something that helps you grow and learn and that's what we always want to do is keep learning and we are going to learn and we want the organization to learn. >> rose: do you feel now i wish i had known more about this or -- >> absolutely. >> rose: i wish i had more sensitivity to this? >> well, i think you want to have a better understanding. i had very limited exposure to domestic violence, certainly from a personal standpoint, and that is something that, you know, i now understand a lot better. >> rose: it took what happened to make you understand? >> well you go and i have been to shelters, i have been to the national hot line. you speak with survivors, you speak with advocates and you understand better the complexity of this issue. when we were down at the hot line last fall, i really got a much better understanding of this when you hear fear that these advocates will tell you that the victims are feeling.

the sense of helplessness. that all strikes you very personally, and as a father of twin girls my wife, that is something you don't want thing to go through and that's something i think we as a league have learned and now in a better position to be able to deal with that in a responsible fashion. and i believe that our policies are actually going to have an impact well beyond football. i believe they are going to have an impact -- >> rose: wow want to set a standard? >> well, we want to take care of ourselves and we want to make sure we are doing this right but i believe we are setting a standard. >> rose: and how do you make sure it is not just -- that it s real, it is tough and this -- in this, and this league wants to prove to its fans and earn their trust, but approve -- impress the larger community what we are talking about that we are taking this really seriously? and this is not just words? >> well, two things, charlie. i think you are judged on your actions, ultimately.

how you do it, we have engaged experts that i think anybody in the broader community would say these people bring experience, wisdom, knowledge, that will help us make better decisions going forward. and they are experts in the field, and the best of the best and we we have seen in that lisa friday 0 who has 20 years in the crime sex unit in new york, todd jones who brings a wealth of experience in criminal justice system. and both at the federal government level and also in minnesota. and so these are the kinds of people who are going to help us, i think make better decisions, make sure our policies are kept up to speed. but the complexity of some of these areas are something that we really, truly didn't understand how complex they were and how much we had to do to really deal with these things effectively. >> rose: and why didn't you really understand? >> because i didn't think we understood the reliance on the criminal justice system. they could deal with with this and

we would respond on what they find. what we found is we can't rely simply on the criminal justice system. that you are going to have to go out and get your own facts and you will have to set your own standards and apply them to your standard, not to a criminal justice standard. they have reasons why they do certain things. they have reasons on why they will share certain information and not others. what we need to do is not be reliant on them and be reliant on ourselves. >> rose: if you look back at the conversation with my colleague, norah o'donnell, and after seeing the investigations would you have answered any differently because you know more today? >> well, i don't remember the interview in detail, you probably have watched it recently, i haven't, so -- since i had the interview with norah but no i think what we found was, and i think we stated in an interview is that we found the most reliable information was from law enforcement, and that we didn't want to conflict with what they were doing. >> rose: and we hadn't seen the tape -- >> we hadn't seen the tape which

was demonstrated in the muller report. so it is clear, i think what we said factually, what we would like to have been is in a position where we had a better policy, we had better people and we could have gotten to a conclusion based on more facts initially as opposed today later it. >> how do you determine punishment? >> it is something that we spend a great deal of time on. it is based on the actual incident. what we would also call aggravating factors that, in domestic violence is an example where children are involved, was there any type of weapons involved? were strangulation or any kind of choking involved? those are all factors. >> rose: life threatening actions? >> well it is called escalation charlie and the experts will tell you what happens is that those have a tendency to indicate something more serious is about to happen, even though initial incident could be serious, what happens in a lot of cases is that it starts as

maybe an emotional abuse or verbal abuse may escalate. >> rose: does anything you know tell you this is unique to football or is it simply a societal issue which comes to focus in professional football because of the nature of the attention? >> well, i would say exactly the opposite, charlie. this is, what we heard from our experts is that this is a societal problem. that this is a problem that is happening in every realm whether it is sports or whether it is in the corporate world or any other world. around the globe. these are issues that are happening. they are being brought out into the open. and that is something that is good, and what we call and what our advisors say normalizing the conversation and that is something we think is good ultimately for this type of an issue, so that we as a society can learn how to deal with these issues more effectively. >> rose: let's talk about some of the cases ray rice, where is he today? >> ray is a free agent that can

sign with any team. >> rose: do you believe a team will sign him? >> i don't know. that's up to the team. this he have the right to sign him. >> rose: greg hardy where is he? what is his situation today? >> >> rose: you announced the suspension without pay for ten games. how do you decide ten games without pay? how do you measure appropriateness? >> well, it is based on your policies. it is based in the fact that you have to gather information that will support a decision for suspending a player for any number of games or for an office employee or anyone in the nfl. we are all subject to the same policy. you have to get the facts. we have got more facts in our most recent cases because we have lisa friday 0 who is investigating these independently. we also have outsides experts helping us identify the

information that is pertinent and allow us to make better decisions going forward and that's what we ultimately need, the facts and then we can apply our policy. our policy is not the same as the criminal standard. it is a standard that says if you violate our personal conduct policy you are subject to discipline. that can mean, a suspension, it can be in the form of a fine, and if there is a second offense and -- in what we would consider a violent crime, it could be banishment from the league and we have been real clear with all personnel about that. >> rose: all players know that and instructed that and told that b3 their individual teams? >> all players, all coaches all front office executives, all owners, all employees in the league, we have all -- one of the issues there is a great deal of focus that goes toward punishment and discipline, one of the things that we really focus on is education. how do we prevent these incidents from occurring? part of that is our educational process, and making sure that people understand what is expected of them, if they need assistance here is where to go

and get assistance on a local basis, on a confidential basis. and if you need additional help, including counseling, we will provide that. >> rose: agent peterson? >> adrian has been reinstated. he has conditions that are imposed on that, and he is a member of the minnesota vikings. >> rose: what is the dialogue like with your owners during this period? in some cases, you talk about highly regarded players and they lose the service, they lose some possibilities for how that team will do. what was the quality and the nature of the conversation of their advice to you during all of this? >> well, i think all of us understand that the personal conduct policy is important for us, our reputation, the way we do things is critically important, whether it affects your team or not they want us to hold the standard. >> rose: it affects your future? >> we want to hold the standards

of the nfl and i never had any pressure from any owners about, in any way impacting on any suspensions. >> they understood the consequences this was a very trying time for the nfl. >> they were incredibly supportive because they knew we were going the right thing, we were working -- and the things we were doing were working but also the way we were leaning toward a solution a new personal conduct policy with the right kind of personnel, that was where we had to go and the owners were very supportive and believe we are heading in the right direction. >> rose: and you are not waiting for somebody to report a terrible personal abuse incident? i mean, you, you are there, eager to make sure it is not going on even though it hasn't been reported? >> some of that goes to the education and preventing that from happening. when an incident occurs you are obligated to report that, and there is an ongoing obligation

to do that, it is not just simply reporting an incident, if you get any information at any point in time it needs to be reported to us so that we can follow that and make sure that we have all of the facts on the case. >> rose: where are we with respect to concussions today? >> we made significant changes to the game at the nfl level which i think impact all levels of the game. we had a 25 percent reduction in concussions this last season, that continues a three-year trend which is about 35 percent, and i think a lot of that is because there is more awareness, there are better processes in place with our medical personnel to identify the injury but we are preventing, preventing these injuries through rule changes and equipment. we saw a significant reductions in hits to the head and we spent an awful lot of time to evaluate those, and the right type of techniques players should use and coaches should coach so

these injuries don't occur in the first place and those changes have been very effective, as supplied by the data. >> rose: which ones have been the most effective? >> hits to the to the head the, defensive players. >> rose: what rule changes? go ahead. >> the rule changes are when a player is defense less, we don't allow the player to be struck in the head, either with a shoulder or his head. so it is no not just head to head conduct so we don't allow a player to be hit in the head area and that had significant impact on the quality of the tackling, it reduced injuries and certainly concussions, as proven by the data for not only the mare being struck but also the player striking the other player. and so these are changes where our players, coaches have adapted and it has been good for the game, not just at the nfl level but all levels of football. >> rose: does the game suffer you think if you have to be much safer and you have to change rules and make contact a bit different? >> i don't believe so. i think we have proven that, charlie, i think the game is

better and safer than ever and that is because our rules have worked. >> rose: safer does not mean it is not exciting? >> it doesn't and i think we have proven that. i sure you think our game has never been more exciting and never been more competitive and i don't think it has ever been safer and it is because we are getting back to the fundamentals of the game, we are using the right techniques, we have medical professionals that are on the sidelines, that are up in the box identifying when a hit occurs that somebody needs to be evaluated. we are implement add new rule this year called the medical time-out, where if someone doesn't see that a player was struck aggressively and struggling potentially on the field, either wobbly or somehow looks like the individual is in distress we will stop the game and we will have medical personnel get them to the side line and make sure they are properly evaluated medically. >> rose: what might you do in terms of the in terms of the way the game is played not in terms of the contact but where the kickoff is where the extra point s all all of those kind of things. >> we have done that, we

focussed kickoff several years ago and over the last ten years or so we have been aggressive in rule changes that have had a very positive impact on the game. either techniques or plays where we have seen a higher frequency of injury, like a kickoff. we have taken those out or limited that, so that it has had a dramatic impact not just on concussions but all kinds of injuries. our focus is not just on concussion on knee injuries and ankle and foot injuries, it is on all types of injuries. >> when a player chooses not to continue his career and he is -- because he is frankly worried about it even though there is no medical evidence he is suffering from any kind of impact does that affect the conversation the at the league among different teams? does it cause players to rethink? >> the impact of the gay on their health? >> i think all players come into it with a sense of they have a limited career, they are balancing what they want to do

personally professionally. they are making decisions for personal reasons and they should. what we want them to do is make informed decisions off of the best science, the best medical information and i would tell you i think our players are getting the best medical care anywhere in the world. they have access to that. they have experts to neutral physicians, second opinions, and they will be in the best decision to make those decisions about their personal health and also be in a position to make better decisions about whether it is the right time to transition to another career and we have done that a lot with our player engagement efforts, our education to try to help our players not just be successful on the field but more importantly off the field. >> rose: when you hear the president say if i had a son i might consider not having him play football, what was your response to that? >> well, i like people to understand the real facts with this. as i said, i think playing sports is something that is important for all of us as kids.

i played youth sports and i loved it i wouldn't give up a single day of playing football or any other sport, and i think what has happened is that in youth sports, particularly football, it is safer for all of us, we are aware of more, when i was a kid, we couldn't take a water break, because if you took a water break, your honor, you know, you were soft. that is not the way it is anymore. it is important to be properly hydrated. it is important to wear your equipment properly. it is important when you have a concussion or you don't feel right to get medical attention. and that's good for sports and it is good for our kids and the nfl is leading the way on this. >> rose: how would you appraise the settlement that was made? >> well, it is something we felt was important to do because we want to make sure that the players who may need help, may need assistance on their families get that as soon as possible. rather than litigating this for years and years, we have a fund that is available based on need, and this is something that the judge said in her -- while there

were several questions about causation, about the preemption motion and the legal arguments and that this was a very can very difficult case to prove, i think it is the right thing for all of us to take a breath, and -- >> rose: as you know, you read commentary, some thought it was in the end it should have been larger. >> well, charlie, i think 15 you have to start with the facts on that. we had a cap system initially, the judge encouraged us to take the cap off so this is not a particular dollar amount on the fund right now. this fund is there for several years, several decades for players to get it and families to get it if they have neurological disorders of some kind. so this is something that we have done and wenk is responsible, we think it is the right thing for players and the families, and we are proud of the relationship and if you look at the number of optouts on this, it was less than one percent of the total -- >> rose: who opted out of the

settlement. >> who opted out and that number is going down dramatically. so what we have here i think is a judge who understood that the challenges of this legal i and frankly, whether the research indicates the types of things that people were charging, there are real challenges in that, so we feel this is the right thing to do for our players, and their families. >> rose: does any part of you worry this is a larger problem than we now recognize? >> well that's why we are investing in we in research, charlie and doing all the work we are doing. we invested $30 million worth of national institute of health half of that is going to cte so it can be studied properly by scientists, by medical professionals. we think the facts will be good for us and we look for those facts so that we can do the right things in the game, in the research and, frankly in making sure we do everything possible to make our game safer. >> rose: do you need 1 czar as

some suggest in terms of the personal responsibility and -- to run this? you have got lisa on board but to you a -- >> we have. >> rose: todd. >> todd jones yes. >> and so we have people with great expertise, and wrong the answer is simply handling handing it off to 1 czar, i i think all will have to contribute to to the right decisions going forward. we all have a responsibility and this is shared responsibility. >> rose: how do you characterize the question about the ball and the patriots and what is deflated or not? what is your term for that? >> our term for that is simply, where, were there anyway -- were there in anyway footballs that were manipulated in anyway during the game? that would violate our rules? >> rose: when will todd wells can give his report? >> he is not given a time frame.

>> rose: why is that hard? >> you want to make sure you have all the information. it is not just -- >> rose: it is one game, one ball, one -- >> well, the question is, one of the things that he would be asked to look for, was it just one game? >> rose: oh. >> rose: is there any question there is more than one game? >> there is no suspicion of anything we just want to make sure we are thorough and properly investigating -- the most important tinge here, was there a violation of the rules and if so, how did that occur? >> rose: when do you expect the report? >> i don't expect it other than i do think it will be soon. i think the indications are that, you know, he finished the interview section and that he will be issuing his report soon. >> rose: some people in the patriots think it is unfair. >> what is unfair? the report they haven't seen it yet. >> rose: no the accusation the accusation. >> listen, that will come out in the report. i think at this stage what we have to do is let the facts dictate. we haven't made a judgment juan

way or the other whether there is a violation of the rules here. what we have said is that there are facts here that need to be evaluated, and they are going to be evaluated. we have a responsibility to the 32 teams not just the one team to 32 teams and our fans and the general public here to make sure that things were done fairly. i believe that what we have done is make the game safer for our players and for players at all levels and i think in all sports. i think the awareness, the prevention that we have put in place to stop injuries from occurring or at least limit the injuries are all things that are going to benefit our game, our players, for future generations and i think that is something that we would be very proud of but there are a lot of other things we are proud of also. >> rose: what is future of the nfl? >> very bright. we are -- i said to our owners just a few weeks ago in a meeting we have a great foundation here to build on. we have tremendous success. but we also have our challenges,

and the biggest issue we have to address is we can't be complacent, we can't be arrogant about it. we have to go and deal with our challenges and fix them. >> rose: the la franchise will there be a team in la by a certain date? >> well we always said we are not going to require it by a certain date, that we think that it is important for us to do it right if we are going to do it, a stadium is a big component of that. we have to have a stadium that will compete in that kind of a market, where there are certainly high standards. >> rose: there has not been a team in la since 19 -- what. >> 1995. >> rose: 1995? >> yes. >> rose: today is 2015. this is the second largest any america. >> listen that's one of our challenges here because we want to be back in los angeles but again, we can't do it where we are not successful long-term. >> rose: -- >> a stadium. >> rose: you have two stadiums

proposed now. we have two proposed but we have to pick one or the other. it is not like he we will pick both stadiums and what we need is a stadium that will allow our teams to be successful in the long-term. and that hasn't occurred in the los angeles market for several decades. >> rose: who will -- >> and it wasn't working for teams long-term the teams heft and now we are talking about stadiums that i think have all the elements of being successful for the fans, for the teams and the community. >> rose: but again i am asking questions, when will that happen? when do you expect that? >> when we get there i think there is a great deal of progress. the it is first time we had two stadiums that are entitled which means they can be built. now it is an evaluation for the communities and for nfl to see which one of these will work. >> rose: it is it will be one of the two proposed stadiums? >> i think it will be one of the. two but we also have challenges in the current markets which are where we have an obligation to knows communities to make sure that we

have done everything to make the team successful in the current market. so in san diego or in oakland or st. louis, we have to -- >> rose: three teams that are considering moving to la? >> we would like to know, can a stadium get built there and the team be successful long-term? >> is an issue how do you keep them coming to a stadium at a time when tv. >> absolutely, when we look at our challenges going forward the media machine, is so dramatically and we see it all around us. >> rose: i ask i don't you where was the best place to watch the super bowl and you suggested right here. >> it is. and, you know, the route is our broadcast partners do an incredible job of showing the game that we think is, you know, a great experience on television, but it is an even better experience in the stadium. when you have 75 or 80,000 people around you you are bringing a group of people together behind a team, there is no better experience. you and i enjoyed that together and it is incredible. and we want people to experience that in the stadium.

but we also want them to have a great experience at home or on their possibly device or anyway they want to engage with football. that's our job. we have to make it a better experience for them. >> rose: and that means television revenues will continue to go up, i assume. >> will if, well if we keep the quality of the game and the quality of our experience and deliver value to our partners. >> rose: how about overseas? london is -- >> we think our game has a tremendous potential globally. we focus a great deal of our attention on canada and mexico but we also have been very successful in the uk as you mentioned we had a regular season games in london, they have been incredibly successful. we have sold out every one of them. we played three games last year. we are going to play three games again in year. there is a tremendous fan base and growth potential for us there. and we are going to continue to play games and continue to be active. >> rose: how many nights, you added thursday night.

>> uh-huh. >> -- on cbs. >> on cbs. i am glad you put that in there. >> rose: it has been good for cbs, it has been good for the nfl. how many nights of football should we have? >> well, i will tell you one other thing. it is not only good for contracts and not only good for the nfl, i think i that good for the fans, our fans have rallied around it and watching football on thursday night in record numbers, in part because off our partner cbs but also they want to see more football. i don't see us playing any other night of the week. we don't play on fridays and saturdays out of respect or high school and college football. >> rose: right, right. >> and we don't do that until they are done late in the season, but this is something that -- >> rose: sunday night. >> sunday night, monday night, thursday night, those odd saturday games way toward the end of of the season when college and high school football are done. >> rose: no tuesday and wednesday? >> i don't think so, i think you have competitive issues there.

but i also think one of the things you always try to do is meet the demand of our fans that you don't want to cross that line, you don't want to get to the point where you have saturated the interest in the game in any way. >> rose: you to say it another way you want them wanting more. >> you always want them wanting more. one of the things -- we are about hope, we are about creating hope for all of our fans, that their team is going to win the super bowl. you want to make sure they come in every season with that hope and second you always want them to want more. and be able to experience football in different ways. >> rose: with were this any plays in which even after looking at instant replay the wrong decision was made? last season? >> well, you know sure, when you look at this and you see -- when we have a play that comes up, you can see the number of camera. >> rose: camera angles every one of these screens represent as camera?

>> well, no. what you will have is different stations here so there are four, four views at any that any individual is watching and they can put it up on the big screen behind me. we have several of our officiating members in the room at the time, and they will put it up on the big screen or watch it here and they will make a determination of whether it is the right call. a lot of times what we get are people that don't like the rule. >> rose: yeah. >> but the call is correct. >> rose: where are you in terms of the mission you had after the controversies you had to deal with in terms of feeling like you have regained or done what you have had to do to meet the challenge of fans who might have begun to lose some sense or had some questions about how pro football was being handled? >> well, i think at the end of the day, it is about how you do things, how -- >> rose: the process? >> no, it is about how -- the outcome. do we hold our standards? do we make decisions that our fans are

proud of? they may not agree with all of them but they are proud of them. they understand they are being done with the highest level of integrity, that our game stays strong, that we continue to do everything possible to make our players safe and at all levels of football. do we make the experience better for our fans? how do we do that? all of those things go into is it worth my time? as a fan to invest in football? whether it is my family's time my time, my money my resources, the jerseys i wear, they all want to be proud of their affiliation. it is our job to give them something to be proud of. >> rose: was it a personal was there a personal toll for you? >> , you know, any time you go through add veterans at this, adversity, those are challenges and -- >> .. >> rose: you just saw it as a challenge? you didn't say to yourselfable you said you questioned decisions and awareness of certain issues. >> well, i question -- you have got to look at all of your decisions and not be afraid to

reevaluate them. so when we had the decision last summer with ray rice, the domestic violence came we brought experts in in august, immediately after this issue, knowing we have to do this differently. we have to evaluate our policy. reevaluate our policy and implement a new policy. and we were well on our way of doing that. so these are things that are expected of us to learn from the mistakes, do better and i am he at the head of that list. i am responsible for what goes on here good, bad or indifferent and i have to make sure i am doing everything i can to be the best possible commissioner i can. >> rose: have you doubled down on your determination to make the nfl as good as it can be. >> charlie you know me pretty well. i am here for a reason there is no no one more determined than i am and i couldn't be more optimistic about the nfl but also couldn't be prouder of the things we are doing in making this game a better game and safer game and something that fans will be proud of following.

>> rose: and you could almost say that for all the pain and -- that was suffered by individuals, in medical, whether medical, personal violations, you learn from it in a way that will make you strong? >> i believe in that. i believe in adversity. i believe in -- >> rose: adversity cash sometimes makes you better? >> it makes you stronger. if you evaluate and you are not afraid of learning and we are not afraid of learning as an organization. we are not afraid of learning as individuals. we can all get better and that's something we talk about, we believe in better. we have to make the nfl better. that's means all of us have to get better and reach to a higher level and that's what we are going to do. >> rose: and there is no doubt in your mind the players association beliefs that as well? >> believes -- >> rose: we have to make everything better. >> i do believe that and i believe the players association wants it also.

i believe the vast majority of our players are outstanding young men. they do incredible things in their communities, with their families, i am incredibly proud of them. that is what drives me. you may, may not have seen the nfl honors thomas davis is our nfl man of the year, he issued a challenge to all of us, his fellow players and everybody else in the nfl let's give people the right things to talk about, let's do the right things and go out and make a difference. and that's something that i take seriously, and it was great that thomas said that, articulated it in his own words and we used it in our annual meeting this year. >> rose: commissioner, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. good to be with you charlie. >> rose: for more about this program and early episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com. >> captioning sponsored by rose communications

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