gle welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose the week." just ahead reaction to the republican candidates' second debate. a look ahead to the pope's historic visit to america, and comedian carol burnett's lost episodes are rediscovered. ♪ maybe it's and you me in a swing or maybe it's something i ♪ >> we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen.

captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> complete immersion. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something jeels an unexplained metamorphosis. >> rose: what's the lesson here? tell me the ssks o the significe moment. this was the week the republican presidential candidates debated for a second time. america prepared for a visit from the pope. and novak joke vif defeated robert federer for his second u.s. open title. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> oh, my goodness. oh, my goodness. this is serious. >> rose: flooding devastates utah. >> this is one of the wo trst weather-related disasters in the history the state. >> the department of homeland security says it has disrupted a threat made against pope

francis. >> rose: russia ups the stakes in syria. >> it's really a play by putin to inject himself into the decision making on the future of syria. >> rose: a powerful quake rocked chili. >> at least five months and a million people out of their homes after a powerful earthquake. >> rose: sparks flied in the debate. >> short, tall, fat, ugly-- my goodness. >> president obama welcomed three american heroes to the white house. >> we just want to say thank you to them for making america look so good. >> u.s. open champion, double digit. >> your new miss america is miss georgia! >> siri, what should i ask tim cook? >> do me a favor, ask him when i'm going to get a raise? ( laughter ) ( applause ) ♪ meet the new bs. ♪. >> rose: arnold schwarzenegger

replaces donald trump on "celebrity apprentice." >> you're fired. >> off the coast of the california a humpback whale and kayak, they were thrown from the boat just before impact. >> i'll be back in time. >> rose: a teen's homemade clock sets off alarms. >> the student was taken into custody for possession of a hoax bomb. >> i'm the person who built a clock and got in a lot of trouble for it. >> rose: we begin tonight with politics with the second g.o.p. presidential debate now behind them, all eyes are on the republicans. reaction and analysis are still coming in. here's how our panel saw it. >> charlie, i think, you know, the theme, if there was one, of last night was the establishment strikes back. cnn orchestrated a debate in which they wanted there to be conflict. they got conflict. i think there's no doubt that carly fiorina was the one

candidate who broke through. she had the highest expectation. she had the most to gain, and she performed. the question is how much she's going to rise in the polls. but that she is going to rise there's no doubt. >> rose: jim? >> what i found most striking about last night, i think what this really did finally was set the stage for a gigantic debate within the republican party of its direction. we talk about it in terms of establishment versus insider, outside versus insider. in my lifetime i haven't seen republican parties have debates over national security this way, almost social issues. what i found really striking last night when you took all the bluster out, was giant, giant internal struggle within this party when you have the two front-runners accounting for 50% of the polls right now high-fiving over their opposition to the iraq war. >> i would absolutely agree. it was fascinating to watch on the stage for the first time, i thought, candidacies seemed to c kind of figure out how to take

on donald trump just a bit, how to handle him. this is when a lot of them seemed to find their footing. as the debate moved into policy areas, moved a little bit away from the personalities, donald trump seemed a little bit adrift at times. he found his footing. clearly he didn't lose himself on stage. but the other candidates seemed to find their place. >> rose: including ben carson? >> ben carson was interesting. he'd seemed a bit quiet. he'd seemed a bit over-shadow. we can have our assessment of how we think ben carson didding, but clearly something he's saying and something he's doing is rez 98ing with the voters, beyond the cosmetics or optics of what he looks like and sounds like on the stage. >> rose: what is donald trump's reaction to the debate other than telling cnn i think in a tweet, just announced that in the history of the cnn, last night's debate the highest rated ever. will they send me flowers and a thank you note? >> that's pretty typical. he hasn't been too terribly

contrite. charlie, i thought one of the really interesting dynamics there was the side-by-side comparison between jeb bush and donald trump. jeb really tried to attack trump i think to very little effect, and he sort of caught his footing at the end of the debate, and then there was this incredibly weird moment where trump extends his hand, and instead of giving trump a handshake, it looked like bush took a whack at him. >> rose: robert you know the the republican party. you cover them. what do you think? >> well, i've been covering trump since january pretty closely, and my sense is we're watching an evolution of trump as a candidate. and he said he came to this debate prepared. he was preparing on carly fiorina's business record. he was ready to talk about bush's gubernatorial record. you see him sensing that the nomination is within sight. he's-- he's becoming more subdued with his tone, still has that brawler swagger but he's becoming a different kind of candidate than he was in july.

>> rose: pope francis begins his historic visit to the united states when he arrives from cuba tuesday. it was an event-filled week that includes a meeting with the first family and address to congress, a speech to the united nations, and public masses in new york and philadelphia. indications are that the trip promises as much substance as ceremony. joining me from washington, father tom reese of the national catholic reporter. what do we expect from the pope? what is the significance of this visit at this time? >> well, the pope is coming as a pastor and a prophet. he's coming as a pastor to pray with his people, to preach the gospel, which for him means reminding us about how much god loves us and cares for us, and how we should respond to that love by loving one another, especially the poor. but he also comes with a

challenge, as all prophets do. we're the richest and most powerful country in the world, and hose going to challenge us about how we use our power, how we use our wealth. are we a force for good in the world or are we a force for problems in the world. >> rose: let's talk about some of the people he'll meet. he'll go tohe congress. he'll use that as a fortowm speak to american politicians. >> yes. that is going to be a fascinating event because i imagine when he comes in and says, "you should welcome the immigrant. you should care for the poor. you should protect the environment," the democrats are going to go crazy, like they do at state of the union messages. how are the republicans going to respond to this? on the other hand, if he says, "you should protect life and every child deserves a mother and a fawct, the republicans are going to cheer, and the democrats aren't going to know what to do. he doesn't fit easily into the categories of partisan politics in our country. i think he wants to transcend

that. in fact, i think he wants to tell the politicians, "get over your partisanship. sit down. talk to one another. and wk together to solve the problems of this nation and of the world." >> rose: this, clearly, some conservative opposition to him within the church and within the vatican and rome. he has talked about, and people who know him, other cardinals have talked to me about how he wants to change the dporching body of the champion. >> this pope is really changing the catholic church. in a sense, he's rebranding the catholic church. if you had asked people three years ago what's the pope interested in or what the catholic church is all about, they would have said, you know, opposition to abortion, to gay marriage, to birth control. he hasn't changed the teaching on that, but what he has done is changed the priorities. for him the priorities is concern for the poor, concern for the environment, concern for

peace around the world. and he's also changed the style of being church. it's a much more compassionate message. he wants to preach the gospel. he doesn't want priests to act like judgmental bureaucrats. he wants tiews welcoming, to embrace people, to tal about god's love and compassion. >> rose: justice stephen breyer served on the united states supreme court for more than two decades. he generally sidwith the court's liberal wing. during the last term, he ruled in favor of both gay marriage and obamacare, and he made news when he questioned both the le legality of lethal injection and constitutionality of the death penalty. >> judges are human and if we're not prepared to accept that, we

don't have a rule of law. what i say to the students on that, sisay i know 20% of you when i told you what i just told you, too bad there weren't more riots. before you come to that conclusion turn on the television sets and see what happens in countries where -- >> there's no respect for the the rule. >> or they decide their indecisions that way. i see in front of me people who are committed deciding under law. that's a great thing. that's a great asset for this country. it's amazing. it's amazing, actually. >> rose: i know lots of people that wouldn't want to live in-- and certainly would not want to engage in transactions in another country that didn't respect the rule of law and did not have a system of law to express their grievances. >> yes. that's right. and that's-- that's-- you say it's good for prosperity. it's good for human rights.

it's good for a point of view of fairness. and the alternatives, if we turn on television, seem to be quite a lot worse. and the question is how do we keep it and how do we maintain it? and we have a great asset. i mean, who are we? who are we as americans? i mean, you know, we didn't all descend from king arthur. and we're not all descendants of charlemagne. who are we? we are people, in part, whom thomas jefferson said and the founders said are engaging in an experiment. and when lincoln is at gettysburg, and lincoln says, "four score and seven years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent a nation, perceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." >> rose: "all men." >> that's what he said and he pointed back to the declaration of independence and he said we are engaged in a great war to

see if this nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure. you see the astronaut we are an experiment. and we are here as an disperm to see, as an experiment to see if we can, in fact, so endure. and that's ultimately why i want us to participate. and i want to -- >> you want us to participate. >> yes, participate means begin to think as a judge, and as a lawyer, of what's going on beyond our shores and the relevance-- if there is one-- of what you're arguing here to what's going on over there. and there are plenty of places where it's relevant, plenty.

>> rose: carol burnett's career spans seven decadees of comedy. her variety show was must-see tv in the 1960s and 70s. but for legal reasons, the first five seasons were never syndicated or sold on d.v.d. all that has changed. "the carol burnett show: the lost episodes" is a new dvd box set containing classic episodes and sketches from her iconic variety series. >> funny is funny. you know, i dare anyone to look at the dentist sketch today that's over 40 years old with harvey and tim ask not laugh. you know, what we had were belly laughs. and that's what we aimed for. and it holds up. >> rose: it does. but most of them, there's no political stuff in it, so it's not dated. >> very little. right, exactly. i think in a way we kind of did that on purpose, is not that we ever thought we'd go into syndication because variety shows didn't.

but i just felt, you know, that's for the smothers brothers, which did it beautifully, and other shows. but i'm a clown. and i was a clown on "the gary moore show." and i just liked the whole idea of a belly laugh. >> rose: how did you come to create "the carol burnett show"? >> well, i-- i had signed a 10-d contract with cbs as i was leaving the "the gary moore show" and there was a caveat in the first five years that some brilliant lawyer or my agent or somebody came up with that said if within the first five years of the 10-year contract, if i-- if i wanted to push that button,

they would have to put us on the air one hour-30, pay or play variety shows. i never thought i would -- >> 31 hours explain to people what pay or play-- >> if they didn't take us upn that contract, they would have to pay us for 30 varieties -- >> whether it was on the air or not. >> whether it was on the air or not. of course, they took i chance and put us on. they did not-- they had forgotten because i didn't think i wanted to do it. i thought i can't host a variety show, thought they would, and the five years was almost up. there was one week to go, and my husband and i had put a down payment on a house in california. and i was not quite as in demand as i had been five years earlier. and so we looked at each other-- we had two children and we saido

push that button." >> rose: salman rushdie is one of the most acclaimed writers of our time. over the years, his works of fiction and fantasy have led to death threats, including those from both ayatollah khamenei of iran and al qaeda. he has now given us his version of the classic "10001 nights." the new book is called "two years eight months and twenty-eight nights." >> in between books, you know, i try all kinds of things, and most of them disappear and aren't any good after 24 hours. but sometimes an idea sticks. and i had a couple of things he to start with. i had this idea of jeanies

attacking manhattan, chethought won't be enjoyable. and i had this image of this man who is a gardener, suddenly becoming unstuck from the earth. you know, if you're somebody who spent your life nurturing the earth and the things that grow in it, and you suddenly wake up one day and you discover you're an inch off the ground, that's a shock. i thought maybe-- i thought maybe it could be like a little story of somebody waking up and suddenly they're a cockroach, an unexplained metamorphosis. initially i thought maybe it would be just his story and it grew out from there. >> rose: you also said you got sick and tired of telling the truth. >> that was the memoir. the memoir was the longest book i ever wrote. it was 600 pages. and i thought i'm going to go back to the tng that first made me want to be a writer, which was to write fantastic tales because i came out of o an indian tradition in which you grow up surrounded by fantastic tales. and i thought maybe i will bring that tradition over-- i have

been living here for whatever it is, almost 16 years, bring it over here. >> rose: is one easier than the other? >> no. this is harder. if you're writing a memoir you know the plot and you know all the characters. >> rose: here, too, you can do interesting things because you have a fable but it's also dealing with contemporary issues. >> exactly. you're trying to take a kind of sense of what's going on in the world and try and make it into, you know-- it's alchemy. you take the base metal of the world and you try and turn it into gold. it was very enjoyable to do. >> rose: what issues are you addressing? >> well, just, i think-- obviously at the center of the book there's what's called a war of the worlds in which these super natural beings are attacking the earth and we have to defend ourselves. and i think it is a time of extraordinary conflict. but i think beneath, that i think it's a time of great uncertainty. un, the thing that happens in the book is that all sorts of kirks, like the gardener who comes unstuck, find that very

strange things are happening to them. and it's called "the time of the strangenesses," and what i felt is that's a way of saying we live in a time in which many people feel the world has become very strange. it's changing at very, very high speed in all kind of unexpectd and sometimes not at all attractive directions. and i think many people feel we don't know what's going on except the old rules, what we thought were kind of the rules of the world, don't seem to apply anymore, and we a don't really know what the new rules are. >> rose: david oyelowo is an actor in transition. in the movie "selma" he was praiseforward his portrayal of dr. martin luther king jr. now he is playing the convict at the center of a deadly escape.

the movie based on actual events is called "captive." >> it was a fine line here because you want both things it's cold killer but also the human being. no one of us is just the one thing. and when you look at the headlines, when you look at that day on march 11 of 2005, and you watch the footage of him on the news, he is a monster. he is a man on a tear, killing people on that morning. ande remained, i think, in this fugue state, until encountering ashley smith, who somehow, through her humaintain, her pleeg not to be killed, reawakened the humanity in him. >> rose: even you begin to see it in small acts. >> right. the cops around the case refused to believe that bryan and ashley didn't know each other, because they were just flabbergasted. there's no way these two people can have this time together, these seven hours, and she not end up dead, and then he let

himself-- let her go. but that's why we wanted to make the movie. what happened in those seven hours to make them turn this corner? >> rose: was this an easy choice for you? >> no. it was a very difficult choice for me because i know what it costs me to play a role. it's, you know, like daniel day lewis, i aspire to immerse-- you know, the kind of immersion that means you have to give yourself over to the character. you have to not judge the character. you have to place yourself in their mindset -- >> be the character. >> to understand why they do what they do. and as a person, i find what he did reprehensible, so it's going to cost you to be in that head space every day. but i was so inspired by what went on to happen with ashley smith after this event, that's what made me feel like i wanted to lend myself to it. >> rose: all this happened within a seven-hour time? >> yes, seven hours on that day. >> rose: the book "the purpose driven life," some have called this a christian movie.

does that mean anything to you? other than the fact that he's a prominent christian with a huge following, and wrote this book that sold 40 million copies. >> i mean, i understand it because we're always looking for ways to categorize things, it's an action movie, a romantic comedy, a faith-based movie. that is not what drew me to it and that is not what i hope ultimately it will be purely understood to be because i think faith-based movies largely seem to be made for a niche audience, prierl for christians, and they can be quite heavy handed in terms of the preachy, proslatory nature. >> rose: they make a lot of money. >> they make a lot of money but they make a lot of money from a niche audience. and for me, i want to reach as broad an audience as i can, especially a story like this which is life affirming and

redemptive. it is not one person having it all together leading another to salvation. it is two broken people, and that i think is a major difference. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead: sunday is the annual prime-time emmy awards. monday is the day new york's metropolitan opera opens the fall season. tuesday is the day the muppets return to prime-time in a new series on abc. wednesday is the first day of the international short story festival in cork, ireland. thursday is the day pope francis addresses a joint session of congress. fridays is the first day of the new york film festival. saturday is the first day of the red bull air race in fort forth, texas. and here's what's new for your weekend: don henley has a new solo album out, "cash county."

♪ you can get burned you try to rekindle that old flame ♪ >> rose: johnny death penalty and benedict cumberbatch star in "black mass." >> jimmy, when did you get out of alcatraz? >> that's nearly 10 years ago. >> well, it's wonderful to have you back in the neighborhood, son. >> rose: and jackson brown has tour dates in boston, massachusetts, and bethel, new york. ♪ running on empty running into the sun ♪ >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time.

captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you! ♪ you're getting to be a big boy! ♪ i'm just a kid who's four ♪ each day i grow some more ♪ i like exploring, i'm caillou ♪ ♪ so many things to do ♪ each day is something new ♪ i'll share them with you, i'm caillou ♪ ♪ my world is turning ♪ changing each day ♪ with mommy and daddy i'm finding my way ♪ ♪ growing up is not so tough ♪ except when i've had enough ♪ but there's lots of fun stuff, i'm caillou ♪ ♪ caillou ♪ caillou ♪ i'm caillou! (giggles) ha, ha, ha! that's me!