>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with the talk about football, with ray lewis, the great linebacker for the baltimore ravens. his new book is called i feel like going on, life, game and glory. >> we made this sport, for one thing. competition. take everything else out of it. pure competition. don't tell me that i can't do wt those guys. don't tell me that. because history has shown the greatest gladiators came through with the nastiest to play this game. that's what we know them by are. >> rose: we conclook with a look at the new film crimson

peak, starring jessica chastain, mia wasikowska and tom hiddleston. >> to explain the super natural. the ghosts were emotions trapped in time as opposed to emblems of judeo god's demons, the idea of ghosts as presence who had something to tell us. >> rose: ray lewis and crimson peak when we continue. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: american express. >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide.

captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: ray lewis is here. he is among the most dominant defensive player. for 15 years he terrified the competition with the baltimore ravens. he was mvp in 2001 and played his final game as a super bowl championship in 2013. he writes about his journey through life and the nfl in this i feel like going on. i am pleased to have ray lewis at this table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: why the title i feel like going on. >> i'm a huge fan of the movie five heart beats and when i reconnected with my father, there were times that i

couldn't, i wasn't, i was not okay with hearing his excuses or hearing his voice. but my father was a great feigner. in this movie, the singer who is the lead singer of the heart beats, eddie cane, jr., talented, talented but got into drugs, got into women, just crazily and he blew his whole career. at the end of the movie he resurrected his life, came back. and at the end of the movie he started singing the song, i feel like going, going home. and when i really started to have a relationship with my father i thought of calling him. and i said dad, i feel like going on. i just need to hear you sing it. i used to call him on the phone and just put it on speaker and just have him sing it to me.

so i started writing my book, me and dan is writing my book and dan is finding out all the things i've been through and everything and dan looks up and says all the things you've bring through what makes you keep going. how do you trust people. people say bad things about you. he's like that's your book title. it's like i feel like going on. >> rose: a quick story about that because he left almost the day you were born. >> he left the day i was born. >> rose: the day you were born. and you didn't see him again for -- >> 33. i'm 40 years old now. >> rose: you're 40. and the resurrection came back because. >> i was going to north carolina and my mom said, you know your dad lives there. and i'm like okay. she's like do you want to meet him, do you want to see him.

i was like okay. i got through doing what i was doing. met outside this hotel. he walked up to me. he kissed me and he said do you want to take a ride with me. okay, sure. i got into the car with him and i drove six hours. i never said one heard. that's hard for me not to say one word. but all this time i hadn't said a word. i didn't want to say anything because i wanted to hear everything and anything he had to say. and we drove six hours to another subdivision of north carolina. and we pulled up to this green trailer and we walked in and he says i want you to meet your grandfather for the first time. and i'm like, wow. and the first thing my father says to his father, why did you leave me. and i'm like okay, okay. >> rose: so his father had

left him. >> yeah, yeah. and so we have five generations, 20 years to the day. my son is 20. i'm 40, my father's 60, his father's 80, my great grandfather is a hundred. >> rose: alive. >> no. he's dead. i got on the floor and i laid on the floor like i was a kid and i started listening to the history of missing fathers. at this time i had my kids so i can't relate to what you both are talking about because i would never leave mine, ever. and it's something that i've yearned for my whole life. i tell you, it's something really interesting because there's something that happens in a kid that never leaves a child when they learned how to

live on their own. they never recover from that emptiness. so every time i see my sons, every time i see my daughters, they know, i need a kiss, i need a hug. i need to know you're mine. because that was the one thing as a child i never felt as a man. i never felt as a child. i never ran up and jumped in my daddy's arms. >> rose: there was no daddy there. >> there was no daddy there. and so i immediately after that conversation, i immediately told him, i says you done. is that everything you want to tell me. i forgive you. i'm done. >> rose: i forgive you i'm done. >> i'm done. everything i've ever been hurt by i'm done. >> rose: so you say that's it. >> yeah. >> rose: that's all you have to say. >> i needed to hear, i lived 33 years of my life angry at my father. >> rose: was that reflected

on the football field. >> yes. it's the only way. >> rose: to channel that anger. >> yeah, yeah. because it was channeled differently because he was gone but then it was channeled in a positive way because i had no other choice but to help raise my sisters and brothers and bring my mama. >> rose: is your mama a hero here. >> she is my hero, the ultimate hero. no one has to convince me of the sacrifice a mother makes. and i lived it and that's why i became my mother's best friend as a kid. >> rose: you were her son and her best friend and also the kind of father to the other. >> yes, a father. i walked my sisters down the aisle to get married, not their fathers. you see. and that's, in my five, i have four brothers and sisters, three other sisters and one bigger

brother. i'm the oldest at 40. and my mother would come in the house at ten years old she grabbed me and she said i don't have time for you to be a child. i need you to be a man. i'm going to teach you how to cook, i'm going to teach you how to clean i'm going to teach you how to fold, how to braid and cut hair. everything. there won't be nothing you can't do. >> rose: so you learned them. >> every last one of them. my mom would come home seven or eight years two hours a day. two hours a day pretty much like 2:00 to 4:00 pm. her feet would be so sore. she had three jobs. i would get up, make sure i was there, my brothers and sisters would be in the bed and i would sit up a bucket of epsom salt. a few hours later she went out the door. i would get my brothers and sisters and then go four miles

to my bus stop. >> rose: this is a great story about you. it's how a man is made in this case. >> yeah. >> rose: it also is a very positive story about you. is there a negative part of this story. >> yes. the only negative is the odds aren't with you when daddy leaves. you, the story i get, countless stories i get right now about kids. >> rose: because the street can become your friend because there's no place to be at home. >> no place. and so you wonder why so many young kids are going towards gangs. because they want to feel loved, they want to be a part of something. absolutely. and so every kid doesn't reverse it. you know it's funny like so i think the thing that really changed my mentality even when i was older like 24 to transition into like atlanta what happened, is because i was so devastated

because i've never in my life been the one. i cringe when i hear the horrific murders that people do to people. my mother's brand. i know the child she raised. my mother's brand. >> rose: custody. i bet you thought about that during that. how many hours. >> i'm okay. i'm always good. >> rose: but you worried about her. >> so when people, when you start hearing all the ugly things that people say and i'm saying, i'm okay. but my mom would call me sometimes praying, she would always say don't worry, i'm mama. i would say look, let me deal with all of that. let me deal with all the hate

and all that stuff. i'm good. you just know that what you raised, you stand by what you raised. and my mom, in movies, curses, i still don't curse. i don't respect my mama. it's a sudden thing that if i do get frustrated at times, i get frustrated because people never judge me of me they judge me of incident. you can write what you want to write, you can say what you want to say about someone and the truth doesn't have to be said. >> rose: what happened in atlanta. >> yeah. >> rose: what happened. >> well, a bad night of getting, coming from a party and i called it chaos, something that you can

never control. and that's why i think you see it at a much higher rate now of violence is that i was raised so old school. this is why it doesn't add up with me. because i was raised so old school. if you had a dispute with somebody, a real dispute, circle up, knuckle it up and both of you all go home. if you want to fight him the next day fight him the next tee. >> rose: but not tonight. >> not tonight. and definitely not freaking kill nobody, right. so when that labeled of what happened to atlanta. and think i think, most of this, a lot of this is in the book. the biggest thing that really bothered me about atlanta is i

live through that story every second of my life. that never made me mad. because someone failed to do their job on one side and to have family hate me toward something i didn't do. i would never compare myself to jesus but i do understand when he says you got to be capable of worldly persecutions, you've got to be okay with mental people who want to crucify and destroy your name. so that part to me is what people don't understand the human side of who i am when i said that my smile represents my past and my heart represents my future. that's because i think i, the thing that people say to me do you know what, you don't know. i can take care of myself.

and that's where i think mom, the brand of who my mother is, is why my mom's my hero. >> rose: is there any better linebacker who ever played the game than ray lewis. >> i would love to hear a bunch of people that i played against. >> rose: quarterback. >> runningback. quarterback is all kinds. you couldn't get to them often. >> rose: just protecting them. >> they -- i started playing the game honestly to be remembered on thanksgiving. to be remembered on christmases. because i was the one. we use sit around the table and in 1985 and the early early san francisco days and i'm listening

to my uncle say boy that ronnie lott is something else. and they talk about this and i'm like man there's that great that you sit around a dinner table. >> rose: that's what you wanted to do. you wanted that to be the subject of the thanksgiving dinner. >> absolutely. i want to walk up and say uncle, how does it feel to get hit by ray. and he tell me the truth. it hurt. >> rose: it hurt him. >> i as youn't playing no more. i wasn't playing no more, i was playing to be -- >> rose: when did that happen? early on? >> yes. >> rose: the question i raise did anybody play the game better. some might say well laurence taylor was up there. >> he's my hero now as far as linebackers. i have a crew of linebackers

that i kind of studied. >> rose: is sam hoff one of them. >> yes, laurence taylor. mike single, right. you're talking about the way they played the freaking game. my favorite became the late june -- and i'm watching that. >> rose: but some say linebackers are the most gifted athlete on the field because you have to be fast starts, what linebacker in the league resembles me and i say i wouldn't give nobody that

injustice because a linebacker is feared. when you turn on him, watch him today there's no linebacker feared, there's no coordinator that does not draw a place. i had a rule, you can throw it outside, you can do anything you one to do but if you come between third with 52, something's going to pay for that and something's going to pay heavily. >> rose: what did you make them pay. >> oh man. when you physically take your body and make up your mind that you're going to run full speed and don't think but to know there's an object, that you're going to engage yourself, launch yourself into. and the outcome is either you give or he gives. and i'm not giving. and that's why every time i was hitting people, i wanted to run through them. >> rose: and they wanted to

run around you. >> they wanted to get away from me. and a bunch of people there tell you man, i started playing the game, you know, at a certain time. i was like look, don't touch me. this is pure war. there's nothing friendly about. >> rose: let's get this straight. you are not my friend. >> no. >> rose: i'm going to take your hat off if you come my way. >> even in -- >> rose: but this is a warrior mentality that's necessary certainly to be good and especially to be a leader. to be a warrior. >> the only way you will really be a member seriously is by work, the people you're competing against. >> rose: and they would talk about you at thanksgiving.

>> yeah. >> rose: you regret any hit. >> no. >> rose: did you hurt anybody? >> yeah. >> rose: are there people who may have had too many licks from people like ray lewis. >> i don't know. but i do know that this is a very physical and brutal -- >> rose: are you concerned about concussion. >> me personally, no. >> rose: you're not. >> no. >> rose: are you concerned about it for the game, for the reputation of the game. >> i think what i am concerned about, i think what i am concerned about is they're taking the game and they're diluting the game because they want to protect their claims. but if you leave the game alone, like always, the game will take care of itself. >> rose: how will it take care. >> you're asking one of the biggest things right now that's

disgusting to me, disgusting in college football is that they're now, they've created a term that's called targeting. saying if a player launches his head whi is the first thing on your body, it's what you lead with, you launch your head into someone and you collide with their helmet, and they're kicking babies out of games. but a referee making a mistake is never a punch. what is the lesson that was being taught. that if you make a mistake for the rules you got to make, don't make rules. that's why we've got helmets and dispatch. because if i make it to the side i'm putting myself in jeopardy of being hurt. it's too much man that you have to, you got these people sitting at the top of these food chain. and the reason why they really

don't care is because the hurt is so great, the hurt of athletes is so great they don't care, they go to the next one and on to the next one. the effect of -- >> rose: doesn't care about the family. >> if it really did, if it really did, we wouldn't be the only ones that you take away from. we're the only ones going to last, we're the only ones that's found. >> rose: let me just go back. you must be concerned for a game if they found out that they're not doing all they can to prevent concussions. >> you could say the thing about boxing. you get hit so many times in the brain. it's what you're training. it's what i told my son. >> rose: this is the bargain you made. if you participate in this sport

and you take too many licks to the head. >> these are the odds. these are the facts. >> rose: don't worry about the people that get hurt because that's the decision they made. you want them to maximize their concern for the players' safety. >> not on our dollar. >> rose: okay. >> don't tell me so if i'm a coordinator, a coordinator says that's the way you hit him. that's the way you jar them. what the league says that's fine, that's a penalty, that's 40,000. >> rose: what would you do not to have regulations if in fact players violate regulations. >> listen. regulations is i think some totally different than an act in the game. i'm talking about an act in the game. so when you get into all of those other things you talk about rules here rules there, who it benefits. >> rose: right.

>> and you know, you talk about a linebacker and everything is different for us than the quarterback. the quarterback you go towards the quarterback, they throw it. but 300 pound line man running at you and dives in our knees. and do you know, look at that block, that's a great block, you went to my knee. you but if you do that to a quarterback, oh he's dirty. >> rose: they protect the quarterback because they are the drawing card. >> it's a quarterback game. >> rose: it's a quarterback game. >> it's been declared that years ago and now it's even more relevant. i just think every man stands on his legs one at a time. every man has a family and every man goes home. >> rose: what you're saying in the end, what you're saying is we should be protected and call the flag on somebody intending to hurt us as much as

you call the flag on somebody intending to a punt receiver or a quarterback. >> what's the difference? we're all men. >> rose: at the same time my point is you want protection. >> absolutely. >> rose: you want protection. >> yes. >> rose: you want protection against illegal hits. you want protection against people who are intending to end your career or your participation in the game. we know the nfl, whether they made the right decision or not basically said we'll suspend a coach or a team if you find they had an organized effort to do that. >> a lot of people should have been suspended by now. >> rose: what are you saying. >> that's the only way you play the game. that's what i'm saying. we're making this sport, we made this sport for one thing, competition. take everything else out of it.

pure competition. don't tell me that i can't do certain things to win against this guy. don't tell me that. the history has shown the greatest gladiators are the nastiest. >> rose: the ones we honor the most is the ones that what. >> play the nastiest. >> rose: you say not only was i the meanest i was the nastiest and they can say we can't mess with ray lewis because he's nasty, he's mean and he wants to take me out of the game. >> and the next player who is watching that and the next one. >> rose: i don't want that to happen.

>> guess what he's saying, i ain't running that route. >> rose: i'm more worried about hitting than making a play. >> yeah. the reason i love the national football league is because it brands you for what every day life can't. >> rose: you know some people have had, i can pick people, nobody comes to mind but did anybody ever approach you about being able to have some kind of movie career because of your reputation as being the way you just described yourself. >> yes. still have. i think time is important. it will come. as much as i like rocky, that's acting. you know. this ain't. you know. and so, i've had a conversation

with many warriors and when you hear what it was about, you realize you're no different. that you do have people just like you. >> rose: someone told me you watched the gladiator 50 times. >> i watched it a hundred times. >> rose: a hundred times. because? >> at the moment, 2000, when that chapter of my life happened atlanta, that movie came out. and i saw a man accused, falsely accused. i saw a man stripped from his family and i saw a man go from general to slave. and i took every part of my life

at that moment and i'm in it and i watched that movie and out of the hundred times watching it, it wasn't rolling tears but my eyes teared every time at the arena. he says what must i do, i'm a slave. he said win the crowd, you'll win your freedom. >> rose: you'll win the crowd by. >> doing something that most don't do. >> rose: have you done what most men don't dare to do. >> there's probably 200 some of them in yellow jackets. and that's why.

>> rose: in canton, ohio. >> that's why they're there because they dared to do something other people wouldn't to. >> rose: it seems to me what you're talking about in part is being the best. that's part of it. you're also talking about earning a reputation as the meanest put a hurt on you bad guy on the field. >> my position is to be a linebacker. that's what it's designed for. >> rose: to put the fear, intimidate. >> you don't go into a runningback and say oh man, i'm going to help you up. >> rose: do you do trash talk. >> yes, all the time. >> rose: what would you say. >> anything. >> rose: like what. >> i don't know. anything that came to my mind. >> rose: or it would be

worse. >> yes. i'm knocking you out, i'm a machine. it's whatever came to my mild i said it. yeah. and i'm going to be honest with you. i took a lot from all these. >> rose: was what. >> he was okay with being him. >> rose: but ali was saying i'm the greatest but to be able to prove he's the greatest too. it's okay to say it if you can do it. >> absolutely. so universe reminds me i say something. i said that might be the greatest i could walk upon the universe. i said that at 17. >> rose: 17 years old. >> after my first game. and everybody said this kid is crazy. how can he think that. because i wanted to be the

greatest. when i pulled off my cleats for the last time you can put whatever you want to put up there. but if you talk to the people that i value, talk to the jacks and the max yvonnes, if you talk to the big bucks. >> rose: the people that do what you do, they would say. >> they would say ... >> rose: nothing better. >> nothing better. >> rose: or the best. >> yeah. 52 is in a category of only a few. >> rose: what was laurence taylor's number. >> 56. >> rose: 56. >> nobody marked 52. >> rose: nobody what. >> marked it. everybody else had kind of a thing they already had. >> rose: what was the best runningback you ever faced. >> oh my goodness. that's an awesome question. do you know why?

>> rose: why. >> i still say to this day, one of the most awesome runningback that i ever faced ever was -- 1994 we played them in the poor bowl. tom frazier the quarterback and laurence phillips come on this play and i'm 215 at the time. and i come from about eight to ten yards, and i fly in and i hit him so hard. he ran back three feet and he looked at me and shook his head and said you going to have to drag me off this field tonight. and i looked at sap and i said sap, this is going to be rough. but man i'm telling you like i love competition. so i've played against so many great runningbacks that i'm just

telling you it was just one that i won't forget that just sticks out. in college it was laurence taylor because in the colleague it's too many. you got to think about my division, i had taylor twice, i had dillon twice, i had jerome twice, that was in one division and i had ed george twice. that was in one division. and so the quality of backs that i faced back then was the highest level of backs, man. and that's when old school football meant old school football. >> rose: you would rather take a runningback down by being ten yards away and going straight for him head first. than to do a sack on a quarterback. >> yes. because at the end of the day what they call the sack is an overrated tackle. >> rose: ray lewis. i feel like going on. his story of life, game and

glory. a story of parenting and a story of one man's sense of self. great to have you here. >> thank you. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: crimson peak is the new film from writer director guillermo. it's haunting heiress. hairs the trailer for crimson peak. >> ghosts are real. that much i know. i've seen them all my life.

>> this is mine. >> i don't think that's the right choice. >> trust me. >> it's crimson. >> i want a hot bat -- >> the house is unsafe. >> the house goes on, a living thing. never go below this level. stop holding on for thing. >> has anyone died in this house, a specific death, a

violence death. >> in caution, keep them alive when they shouldn't be. >> but you're here with me. should i -- >> do you have to do that. must you. >> yes. you have no idea what they do. what do you want? >> rose: joining me are the

stars mia wasikowska, jessica chastain and tom hiddleston. guillermo was going to join us. to quote him, he says his three favorite 234reu78z he ever made. why do you think that is. >> i think it's something to do with he poured into the film all of his own personal passions. his greatest inspirations, everything he enjoyed in the world. guillermo is a director who finds beauty in the shadow. >> rose: yes, he does. >> so i think that's why he loves it so much. >> rose: tell me, i'm told that he gave each of you like 10-15 pages of back story so you can understand your character. >> it was pretty incredible because usually i do that on my own.

directors don't want to mess with back story subjects. this is the first film i've done where the director gave me the information what happened in the family, what happened when she was born up and through until when the movie begins. and what a great starting point for an actor to then fill in the character. and being onset, guillermo and i were on the same team because if i would make a choice or react a certain way he knew why because we both had the same secrets. >> rose: so it made it easier. >> i think it's much easier to work in collaboration when everything has the same information. >> rose: how is lady lucille. >> lady lucille is the sister of thomas sharp and they're desperately trying to keep their house going. it's sinking into the play and she needs to bring the house.

she's deeply cruited into the house so that guillermo connected the cost tums to the walls almost like she could be coming out of the walls. she's all about history and the most and wanting to stay there and be there. and edith is all about the future, the polar opposite. >> rose: and the tom. >> well thomas is a dreamer and inventer and engineer. as the film opens thomas is in the new world, he's in buffalo, new york and he's looking for sponsorship of his new machine. and he's distracted by the energy and the beauty and the charm of edith, mia's character. in a way they're both creative people, they're both outsiders. but he in the structure of gothic romance he's the tall dark stranger perhaps isn't quite sure you can trust.

>> rose: his relationship in terms of the feeling between thomas and lady lucille. >> without revealing too much, it's a complex one. they are brother and sister and there are many things they share. they are ostensibly impecunious and the house they own fits on crimson peak where the film gets its title. they are victims of their inheritance in so many ways. the house is a representation of their very complex and damaged inheritance, psychologically and physically. the about the past and the future and how you can be way down by the secrets in your past

but thomas and lucille are different. they make different choices. >> rose: you represented edith. >> yes, i play edith. >> rose: who is very much the future. >> yes. at the beginning of the film, she's a very ambitious young writer and slightly naive which is why she ends up getting swept into this romance that turns out to be very different from what she expected and has to find her way out of it. like they are polar opposite and tom ends up in the middle representing that struggle between the past and future. >> rose: perfect segue to this scene where edith and thomas arrive at crimson park. here it is.

>> how many rooms are there? >> i don't know. would you like to count them? what do you think? does it look the part. >> it's lovely. although it's even older outside than out. >> it's great. we tried to maintain the house the best we can but with the cold and rain it's impossible to stop the damp and erosion. and the mines right below well, the house is sinking. >> rose: so because he's not here let's represent him, right. what does he bring to the directing of the film. >> apart from he's very -- >> rose: the back story. >> he's got such a unique imagination and he brings like very clearly imagines to sort of mesh together a number of

different genres because i don't think any of his films are specifically one genre. but as a director of the actors he's super collaborative and very supportive. >> rose: when you look at his works you think what kind of mind is behind all this. >> i think the healthiest people are the ones that make the most disturbing films. they work out their stuff in a really controlled space. >> one of the very first interviews i saw before i ever met him was on your show and he brought his journals. >> rose: right. and we looked at them. >> those are, i mean, perfect representation of who he is. he's constantly thinking and he's creating monitors and he loves his monsters. that's what i love so much about him. he has compassion for someone at first glance whether it pea

people or creatures you say that's wrong and he goes well maybe not because he has a role for everybody. >> rose: we did programs about that. his colleagues from mexico and how they share each other's words and look at it before they have made the final edit. >> it's really moving the power of their friendship. the way they again talked about, that they came up at the same time. they have very different sensibilities but they give each other notes and i think -- >> rose: according to what they say. one of the programs we did here we called it the three amigos and the three of them were here and it was just wonderful. >> it was incredible. and also manuel -- who is a great one for birdman after the oscar, he's in that as well. >> rose: interesting the way he did that too. how at that time camera acted

back stage. >> it was incredible. rehearsed like a play. >> rose: what's the difference between horror films and gothic romance. >> well i think gothic romance takes its literary inspiration. at the time the gothic romance came around in the development of both literature it was actually a very rebellious genre. and it was a way of expressing things about society in the 18th century that were repressed which were sexuality and death. gothic romance acknowledges the first genre to speak of the explained super natural that goes to emotions trapped in time. as opposed to emblems of some judeo christian scale of gods and demons that actually gothic romance invented the idea of ghosts as presences who hado

something to tell us. that they were somehow spirits who were unquiet or not at rest. there's a young heroin drawn after love and something dangerous. so these forces of love and death are at war with each other in gothic romance. >> rose: for you, tell me about this character stretching for you. >> i never played anyone like lucille. when i read the script, i don't know. she broke my heart. i was really moved by this, to me it's a study of loneliness and a study of someone that is so desperately wants to be loved and to give love. but really doesn't understand, they don't understand how to do it, you know. guillermo has beautiful things about her we realize and the history of the house.

lucille has been connected with a kind of pain and suffering whether she took beating or caning for her brother to show an act of love or taking care of her mother who was suffering. for lieu -- lucille it's one ad the same. this is how i saw her. i saw her as an abused dog. when you see them in a cage or whatever and they desperately want to be held and be touched and the second you reach for them they bite your hand. these a whole mix of opposite and that's where i saw lucille. >> rose: take a look at this. >> the shadow. >> it leaves in this house,

shadows -- >> you have to soothe that imagination of yours. >> i just need a proper welcome that's all. i want this house to contain nothing but friendship and love and warmth. >> warmth would be an excellent thought. tell me, your bride is frozen. >> of course, for give me. let's go up stairs. the hot bath -- >> oh, lucille, when it's convenient, would you mind giving me copies of the house keys, please. >> you won't need one. >> i'm sorry. >> it's unsafe. it will take you a few days to familiarize yourself. then if you still feel you need them, i'll have copies made. >> come with me. >> rose: interesting cost tums. >> i wore seven inch platforms under that dress because this

guy is tall. and you had to be twin-like and guillermo had written in the biography that the character loved constrictive clothing. and so in addition to the court set it's very difficult to move your arms. however i had boots that were this tall. >> rose: talking about expanding roles for women, are you finding that because you seem to be doing a variety of kinds of things. at least more diversified. >> i'm really lucky in that i have been given the opportunity to play characters that are very different and perhaps that's because in 2011, i had seven movies come out that the characters were so different so perhaps that's allowed in my career. but i will say as an audience member, you know, i just, i want to see more, you know, complete characters for women not so many stereo types. the great thing about this film there are two incredible female

roles. >> rose: i'm told guillermo allowed you to pick one or the other. is that true. >> you know guillermo -- >> rose: you could play that and you never knew that. >> i think he thought i was going to respond to edith. >> rose: because it was more what? >> i don't know. maybe he saw it as more similar to me. i mean that's usually where casting comes from is you think like okay who is similar to this character. maybe he thinks my personality or i don't know. when i read it, i really wanted to challenge myself and do something i had never done. i'm glad i did because actually mia is so much better than i would have been in that role. >> rose: would you have liked to have played the other role. >> i consider both such great roles. when i read the script, i was just so excited that there were these two really fantastic characters that were females and i think guillermo is, his two daughters and he's so in love

with his wife and i think in all of his films he views his women characters with so much strength and complexity. and he never waters it down and he never minimizes it. and that's quite rare for a male director. >> if he were here... but i align myself with him in this regard. i think he's done an extraordinary thing in this film. the male character is quite ineffectual. >> rose: ineffectual. >> they are ineffectual. they try to do things and they don't succeed. and the women on my left and right. >> he has to follow through. >> it's a film about women, it really is. it's a film where the heroine is

not saved by the bionic stranger, the heroine saved herself. that's profound. >> rose: how did you come to that in your own head. >> to the film? >> rose: the character. >> it's the same thing as trying on the costumes. you can only do so much preparation and thing just inevitably influencing when you're there whether it's the set and the other actors. it inevitably changes. so yeah, it changed a little bit as we went on but i just found guillermo, he was just always so honored in terms of never letting us me or never letting me be too passive. >> rose: where were you born. >> in australia. >> rose: how did you make your way to the film. >> i super low brow in comparison to these two drama students.

i started being interested in film when i was 15 and then gave a google search for agencies and joined a child acting agency when i was a teenager. >> rose: you never stopped, never looked back. >> no, it's been about. >> since i graduated from drama school they can't train you in the truth. i think mia is generally one of those natural actors i ever worked with. gear -- guillermo and i used to joke she's incapable of not telling the truth. >> rose: authenticity. >> all of that. i wouldn't say it's low brow. >> rose: thank you for coming. great to have you here. >> thank you for having me. >> rose: crimson peak opens on october 16th in theatres and on imax. thank you for joining us. see you next time.

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