>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, boots are going back on the ground in the fight against isis. what's ahead for the new speaker of the house? and sandra bullock stars in a new comedy about political consultants. >> we are trying to save people's lives. these are the stakes. and i'm not going to stand by and watch as this nation falls apart. this is no longer an election. this is a crisis. ♪ i'd love to change the world ♪ >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. captioning sponsored by rose communications

>> rose: and so you began how? >> good ideas. >> rose: is it luck at all, or is it something else? >> a couple of bits of serendipity. >> rose: what is the be lesson here? >> who is going to stand up to all of that? >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. this was the week america promised more boots on the ground in the fight against isis. paul ryan was elected speaker of the house. and the new york mets face off against the kansas city royals in baseball's world series. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. a magnitude 7.4 earthquake hits pakistan and afghanistan. >> the death toll is expected to rise following a powerful earthquake. it struck south asia. >> rose: china abandons its one-child policy. >> we also look forward to the day when a birth limits are abandoned altogether. >> a u.s. warship has passed within 12 miles of china's

manmade islands. beijing is calling this a threat to china's sovereignty. >> president obama authorizing forces in syria. >> they're going to be in northern syria, where they're going to coordinate ground forces. >> a violent arrest in south carolina, the officer shown grabbing and dragging a student. >> rose: greenland is melting. >> sea level could go up by a meter or more. >> megadrugstore chain walgreens is buying rite aid. >> we have lost our picture. hi! >> game one of the world series. >> went dark in the fourth inning because of technical difficulties. >> every candidate in this race has a signature quirk. bernie sanders has the tongue. >> that is insane. ( laughter ). >> a decision that he made. ( cheers and applause ) ♪ money, money, money. ♪ money >> rose: a budget deal in

washington. >> it extends the government's borrowing therapist leading to an $80 billion increase in spending. ♪ our house >> rose: the house has a new speicher. >> the u.s. house of representatives will confirm paul ryan as its new speaker. >> we are going to move forward. we are going to unify. >> a blimp is on the loose. >> well, my father just texted, fit turns south, shoot it down." >> a runaway military blimp in pennsylvania took out power lines, causing about 18,000 outages. >> rose: we begin this week with american troops returning to combat in iraq and syria. secretary of defense ashton carter told the senate armed services committee tuesday that the new strategy includes sending american troops on raids against isis targets. it's something special operations forces have already been doing. retired admiral bill mcraven ran the pentagon special

operations command from 2011 to 2014. >> i applaud the president for now kind of taking aggressive action, at least from what i've seen, and the text i've seen from secretary carter, ash charter and chairman joe dunford, one we could not be better serve thand to have those two gentlemen where they are. now we have to devise a strategy going after isis that is more than the drone strikes and airstrikes against the leadership. that is clearly a component of how you have to deal with isis, but recognizing that isis that is in iraq, we're going to need to partner with the iraqi soldiers, and more than partner just on the forward operating bases. we need to get out. we need to have boots on the ground. we need to be true partners with them as they begin to root out isis in iraq. >> rose: true partners meaning they will be on the front lines fighting with them or providing other kinds of services? >> again, i will defer to the secretary and president and joe dunford on that, but bill

mcraven -- >> that's who i'm asking? >> bil bill mcraven's opinion is we absolutely need to be on the front lines with them. this is a serious national security issue and in order to deal with it we are going to have to put young men and women at risk again and boots on the ground. >> rose: boots on the ground. >> absolutely. and i think we need to put boots on the ground as far forward as we need to, in partnership with iraqis and our coalition. we need to go into syria and raqqa in order to get after isis, i believe we need to do that. >> rose: because isis is that kind of threat. >> because isis is that kind of threat. >> rose: i want to clearly understand it, taking advantage of your experience in iraq and afghanistan as well, that we need to use military force that we have within our command to stop isis. >> we do. >> rose: it's that serious a threat. >> that is serious. it is absolutely that serious. i mean, you know, in my 37 years when i look back on the threats we have had to deal with, i see, you know, us in a very perilous

situation right now. and i don't want to say it's an existential threat. i don't think it's an existential threat yet. but i am concerned as this ideology begins to spread, as you begin to see more europeans and more north africans and more americans join isis, as isis begins to gain momentum beyond where they already are, it really does create problems for, again, not just the middle east, but you see the the surge of the immigrants and the refugees into europe. this is a major problem for the europeans. >> rose: a new speaker of the house, another republican debate, and a budget deal in washington. those are some of the stories in politics this week. with me now is johnathan karl, the chief white house correspondent for abc news, and from washington, my partner on white house watch, the editor of

playbook, mike allen. mike, welcome. let me begin with this-- the debate. what are your calls today after the debate? what are the headlines and what are they saying about marco rubio, about donald trump, about cruz, and about jeb bush? >> donald trump is shrinking, marco rubio is celebrating, senator crudz is in it to win it. he's the one candidate who could win all three of the first three states. and jeb bush is in a very deep hole. he needed to come out in that debate and have a great night. instead he had a terrible night. marco rubio ate his lunch. >> rose: what options does jeb bush have? >> that's a great question, charlie, and i've been asking other republican operatives, people who have run republican presidential campaigns-- if you were advising jeb bush, how does he come back? what does he say? what does he say on "meet the

press" this weekend? what does he say to his donors. hearsay the math problem, charlie, that face the bush campaign. if you look at this field, let's say that donald trump and ben carson go to zero. let's say that they fall off the side of the earth. everywhere few of those voters are likely to go to jeb bush. the jeb bush establishment vote isn't what's out there up for grabs right now. >> rose: ted cruz, though, i'm unclear exactly what his path to success is and why he is as strong as you suggest he might be. >> ted cruz is strong because he has an army of people who in the libertarian wing, in the christian conservative wing, in the-- anybody who doesn't go for carson or trump who is conservative is likely to go to him. well, you heard a lot in washington today that this race might well come down to marco rubio and ted cruz. >> rose: wow. >> yeah, which is fascinating because you have two 44-year-old

cuban americans. both were tape-wave senators. and now they're going after very different slices of the republican party. but ultimately, you can see a scenario where we have basically the two finalists in this being two cuban americans. >> rose: let me turn to donald trump. mike suggested that he is beginning to fall. why? what's happened to donald trump in the trump phenomenon? >> well, the first thing, the evidence of the fall. you've had three straight polls in iowa that showed him trailing carson. then you had the one national poll we have seen, the "new york times"/cbs, that shows, you know, carson rising, trump going down. i'm not sure-- it may be that the act has simply grown old, but i will say this-- the biggest part of his appeal, i believe, is that he's the winner. you've talked to trump. the first thing he says in any conversation is, "did you see the latest poll?"

>> rose: he lives and dies by the polls. >> i think that could create a little bit of a death spiral for him. the aspiel he's the winner. >> rose: there's also a new leader in the house of representatives, paul ryan. what does that mean for this republican party we've been talking about? >> well, this is a big help to republicans because this is going to be a better face for them when they get to the general election. he was acting from a position of strength because he said to the right wingers in the republican caucus, "take me or leave me." they took him, and so with that is coming someone who's going to be frank about his willingness to work with democrats, willingness to work with the senate, willingness to work with the other end of pennsylvania avenue. >> and, you know, the fact that boehner gave him this incredible gift, i mean, a minor miracle to get this budget deal done, the debt ceiling done, and to give ryan some breathing room. but one thing this is going to be a very different speaker of the house.

>> rose: the 2016 presidential race boasts a bumper crop of candidates but there is only one who calls himself a democratic socialist, vermont senator bernie sanders, and his appeal for comk equality has mounted an early challenge to hillary clinton. >> the issue is to understand what are the most important problems facing our country, and they are huge. and to me it comes down to the fact that it's not just income and wealth inequality. it is not only corporate control over the media. it is not only the fact that we have more people in jail than any other country on earth, it is not only that we have a campaign finance system which is corrupt. the real issue is who is going to stand up to all of that? who is going to take on the

corporate interests and wall street and true to create a government that works for all the people in this country rather than a small number of billionaires? that's the issue. and if people think hillary clinton is that candidate, go for it. >> rose: they should vote for her. >> they should vote for her. >> rose: if she thinks they will stand up to what you call the seasonment interests, they should vote for her. but if they don't think she will or you will stand taller-- >> any look at my life's work, any look at what my agenda is today suggests there is one candidate in this race who is in fact prepared to stand up to the billionaire class, to stand up to wall street, corporate america, the big money interests who have running a rigged economy and a corrupt campaign finance system. now, if people are satisfied with the establishment politics, you've got a candidate. if you want real change, i'm the candidate. >> rose: everybody somehow is attracted to the idea of wanting

to debate the idea of you as a socialist or a democratic socialist. so you tell us, as i've asked you in another interview, exactly what you mean or does it simply mean you're more liberal and more progressive than other democrats who have been in the political race or are in the political race now. >> okay, good question. let me answer it in a couple of ways. for a start, to demystify the word "socialist." you know what weave a really strong socialist senior program called social security. how's that? it has gone a long way to lowering poverty among seniors since roosevelt introduced it. we have well over 50 million people on social security. lyndon johnson introduced a very strong socialist type program in the 60s. it's called medicare. we have a beautiful, national park system owned by the people of the united states. we have a postal service owned by the people. if guto your local library, call

up the fire department, it is owned by the people. so we have many socialist programs in the united states. >> rose: for 25 years, ted koppel reported on clear and present dangers as the anchor of abc's ""nightline." of the now he is back with another one it's possibility and the impact of a cyber attack on the u.s. power grid. his new book is called "lights out: a cyberattack, a nation unprepared, surviving the aftermath." >> if one of the electric power grids was compromised, there would be no light, no cooling, no heating, no flow of water, no functioning toilets. in the cities, thousands of people would be stuck in

elevators, but they'd get them out of the elevators eventually. but it could potentially be-- i mean, i don't know, you live here in the city, right? >> rose: yes. >> how much food do you have at home? how long could you last? >> rose: almost nothing for me ty eat out or call out foris food or have enough food in the house for two or three days. very few people have enough food to last them for months. so i spoke to the then-secretary of homeland security for the state of new york. i said, "how many-- you know, how much food do you have?" "oh, "he said, "we've got probably--" i think he said "20 or 25 million m.r.e.s." meals ready to eat. and i said, "that's for the state of new york, right?" >> rose: population-- >> exactly. the city of new york you're talking about eight million people. let's suppose the folks upstayed

statecan take care of themselvess. eight million people, 25 million meals. that's three meals per person. let's say they limit themselveses to one meal a day. >> rose: three caiz. >> three days. what happens after that? no plan. there is no plan. >> rose: is there any way to stop it or is it inevitable that this kind of attack will take place, and we're going to have to deal with it? >> i talked to lloyd austin, general lloyd austin, who is the commander of sen-con. general of austin said to me, "s not a question of if. it's a question of when." >> rose: steve martin and edie brickell have formed a musical partnership that he calls a giant accident. this accident has led to two highly acclaimed albums, a grammy, and a new broadway musical. >> it was just a couple of bits

of serendipity that edie ran into me at a party, and she said, "i'd like to write a song with you." and i didn't-- i had never written a song with anybody, so i'm kind of nodding, "oh, sure, sure, right." and i thought, it's edie brickell. i gotta call her. i said i would. so we got together -- >> but before you got together dyou send her something? >> yes-- well, actually, the first time we didn't. i just came over to your house and i said, "i've got this song--" go ahead. >> he played what became "the sun is going to shine, "but we were both so shy, i actually couldn't believe he was showing me a tune. i thought that would just it's suggestion would just float away like feathers in the wind, and here he was. >> we didn't really know how to work together or how it was done so i would play the song, and then edie would kind of walk around with it, and we're both a little tense. and finally she said, "why don't you just record it and i'll spend some time--" and i said

okay. so i recorded it and and it's in our musical "the sun is going to shine." >> rose: you said he doesn't write stock banjo parts. >> i mean, they aren't banjo parts like i've ever really heard before. they're very melodic. it's not what i would expect. he plays it in an original way, i think. that's how i hear it. >> rose: you say this is not bluegrass, it's americana, because you can do more things. >> well, you know, bluegrass is a very well-defined genre, and it generally means banjo, guitar, violin, mandolin, bass, and sometimes dobro. but our music is-- i don't want to say broader, just using more instruments, and it swings a different way, away from bluegrass-- not always. there are bluegrass songs in the

show. but i don't define this as a bluegrass musical at all. i think of that as music. >> rose: why is banjo your instrument of preference? >> i-- from the first time i heard it i loved it. i loved it for several reasons. one, it had this-- it has this ability to be played at high speed, hard-driving, fast speed. but what i really was interested in was its capacity for melancholy. and it's a very american sound. >> rose: you said that every time you get a new banjo there's a song waiting to come out. >> yes, i found that to be true. if if i ever bought a new banjo for one reason or another you pick it up and start playing and you think,"where did that come from?" you only get that one song per banjo that is spontaneous. >> rose: is it fair to say you didn't take the banjo seriously

until later? >> i took it seriously but i had another life going on. i was doing movies and i would practice in the trailer. that's how you pass four hours. >> rose: it was always a part of your life. >> always was. but less, you know-- less present. >> rose: "our brand is crisis" comes to theaters just in time for the election year. it is a comedy about american political consultants, and it is based on the real events of the 2002 bolivian elections. it stars sandra bullock and erie kazan. >> i think everyone is look for a role that isn't conventional but can still tell the story and move people. when i read it, i didn't think of it as a male or female role. >> rose: it didn't have a gender to it. >> no, it just had words and thoughts and complication of a human being when i thought, wow, one day i would like to play

something like this. this would be an amaidsing opportunity. >> rose: why is that? >> because it's multidimensional. she's imperfect. these shooez not very pleasant and likable at first, and you can pass judgment on why she's that way. this is war. there's only one wrong in this, only one, and that is losing! and then you see deeper and deeper into this very flawed person, and you have sympathy because you just see her struggling. and i think that represents everybody, you know. we're all-- we all want the brass ring but we're all struggling for it, probably for the wrong reason. >> rose: this is an act of revenge for her? >> yes, a combination of revenge and i think an extreme addiction to the win, and this person who was responsible for her demise played by billy bob thornton, and he's used sort of as the dangling carrot to pull her back into this world that almost killed her the first time. >> rose: you can get back. >> yes, "you can come back in." they pull her back in. >> i blai playleblank to dig up

dirt on the candidates. >> rose: she looks like so-- >> that's why she's so brilliant. she has that angelic demeanor underneath. >> rose: i wouldn't do this but you would. >> and she will cut you. >> well, not you. >> rose: many times. and this is based in part on a kind of real-life story because we have american political consultants. >> yes, we do. >> rose: who have sort of gone out-- in fact two who helped president obama get elected, represented different parties in the most recent british elections, as you well know. >> it's very loosely based on a documentary called "our brand is crisis," where they follow consultants who go down and do just that. you see it's a job. they're hired to do a job. their hearts are in that job for that moment. and the minute that job is complete, the clock is punched out, and most move on. my question and my thoughts were like is anyone affected by the consequences of that job? you know? >> rose: the consequences of being a political--

>> not just in politics but i mean -- >> any institution. >> all big business. you want to push a product. you want to sell, convince the public, manipulate them so they do what you want, which is punch what you're selling. we have so much of that now, you turn on the tv and we're pushing, pushing. and you think i must need that to make life better. and these consultants do this for a job air, position. they're hired to go down and make sure this man wins. >> rose: tell us what a challenge it was to help make this man win. >> well, we have a candidate who has previously done bad things for his country, or caused civil unrest. so there's a -- >> terribly low poll ratings. >> very low poll ratings. and there's a line in the film about how, you know, they were in ceps rat need of a change, and we're feeding them the same thing that got them killed last time. and you see the brilliance of

her character because she manages to turn that around. >> rose: how does she do it? >> by addressing what's in front of her. i think at the beginning of the film before james bodean comes in, they're trying to sell the character, the candidate, as something that he's not, and she comes in and says, "no, you have to sell him for what he is." and she says the line that gives us our title, ," we need to frame this election, not as an election but a crisis. our brand is crisis." >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the running of the new york city marathon. monday is the 15th anniversary of the international space station. tuesday is the day of foo fighters make good on a promise to play in italy. wednesday is the 20th anniversary of the assassination of israeli prime minister yitzhak rabin. thursday is the 80th anniversary of monopoly. fridays is the release date for the latest james bond film

"specter." saturday is the day donald trump is scheduled to host "is the night live." and here is what's new for your weekend. bradley cooper and sienna miller star in the comedy, "burned." >> you are looking at that all the time, yeah? you have eyes on that the whole time? >> yes, chef. >> look at me. >> yes, chef. >> all right, let's go! >> yes, sir! >> rose: janet jackson has concert dates in omaha and minneapolis. minneapolis. ♪ ♪ >> rose: and bryan adams has a new album out "get up." ♪ i just want to say i'm not going to let you go away because you belong to me ♪ >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we will see you next time.

>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin with carpe with sandrad zoe kazan, their new movie is called brand bran. >> she's imperfect. she's not very pleasant and likable at first and you can pass judgment on why she is that way, and then you see deeper and deeper into this very flawed person and you have sympathy because you just see her struggling, and i think that represents everybody. we all want the brass ring but we're all struggling for it lled "room," starring brieson. larson and joan allen written by emma donoghue and directed by lenny abrahamson. >> what ma has to learn -- she helps him to escape and h