>> rose: welcome to the program. tonight a conversation with gisele bundchen. she is the highest paid supermodel in the world, and undergoing an interesting transition in her life. >> you know, i think i'm a person who has tried to be the best that i can be. i think if i'm going to clean my apartment, you're going to be able to eat on the floor. i'm that person, you know what i'm going saying. >> rose: i do know what you are saying. >> whatever it is go i'm going to make the time to do it, i'm not going to be there if i can't show up 100 percent. >> rose: gisele bundchen for the hour next. >> funding for charlie rose has been provided by american express. additional funding provided by:

>> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: gisele bundchen is the highest paid supermodel in the world, also the mother of two children with her husband, the famous nfl quarterback of the new england patriots tom brady. she has recently win a new book. it is a series of photographs published by tashen. i talked with her recently about the book, that's part one. and then about her life from brazil to worldwide stardom. >> let's talk about this book. it's a heavy book. >> yes, i was trying to get exercise because it's very helpful for exercise. you know, not just pictures but

an exercise tool as well. >> rose: an exercise tool. >> you know, important. >> rose: so let's open this up and see what we see. how young were you then? >> i was about, i was like 17. this was david sims picture. no hair, no makeup. he just wanted me, that is kind of how i was-- that's a picture that shows exactly. >> rose: you. >> me, yeah. so that was pie first, you know, when you go, you have to have a book, you start modeling you have to have a book. this is my book. the first photograph, this is the actual book that you-- the first time someone actually put makeup on me, so i had mass cara you see, on the top. but you see my face, i'm kind of wondering. i don't even know what's ahead. >> rose: there is your dog, your famous vita. >> she was my partner in crime. and vita was-- . >> rose: with you. >> she is the one, when you feel

like a lot of judgement and a lot of crazy emotions and things that happen in your life. and you feel alone in some ways. she is the one that kind of-- . >> rose: she has been there. >> she is my body guard. she was with me for 14 years and the book is dedicated to her. >> rose: is she no longer with us. >> no. >> rose: when did she die? >> sorry. two years ago. sorry. >> rose: so anything that you love. >> oh my gosh. this pictures, these are aren't published, this has been just last year. i was trying to make a heart shape. >> rose: yes, i can see. >> sending love. and i just want to have some special-- like this. it was, you know, i just-- we were shooting, i said can you do some pictures for the book, however you see me. and he just took this picture as kind of like the shadow. i like them because they're very artistic and just different than fashion pictures, you know.

>> rose: what is the last one. >> i think is. >> this is an artist. so this is a picture of me when i was three years old. and he wanted to do something that he felt like-- i felt like he really did. because he was like, i feel like a child and i'm, you know, daughter of nature and i feel like so connected. i felt like that was a really-- that was, you know, the sensitivity and i feel like it's very me still today. >> so a lot has changed but at the same time. >> not really. >> some things don't ever change. >> yes. >> so you just published a book. >> yes. >> you've announced in april no more runways. >> yes. >> rose: 35 years old. >> yes. >> rose: great family. >> yes. >> rose: two kids. >> yes, well, three-- . >> rose: you want more? >> you know, i've always dreamed of having three kids when i was little because i come from a family of six girls. and i always thought if i could

make half of a volleyball team it would be great. so three was always my number. so i felt like, you know, i'm pretty good on that. >> rose: boston is now your home? >> boston is my home now. it's where i have been living for the last-- . >> rose: 2006. >> i think like nine years, eight years i have been living in boston. i really enjoy it it is a city where i live outside of the city now. so i really enjoy that. i am a nature girl. i grew newspaper a small village in the south of brazil so i really enjoy being surrounded by nature it kind of keeps me grounded and happy. so i am glad to wake up with the birds and the kids going to farm school near my house. it's a nice place to live. >> rose: so you have roots there now. >> yeah, i do. i think my roots, i have always moved so much since i was 14, i kind of-- i moved out of my patient's house to start working. and since from 14 until i i got married, i didn't really have a home. my home was a plane.

it was a lot of constant change and always. so for years it was like that. so it feels nice to feel rooted in some way, you know, it feels nice to feel like you have a place to go back and call it home. because for a long time i felt like i didn't have a home. >> rose: since 2002 you have been the most high paid model in the world, for a long time. tside of your profession with respect to the united nations and what you are doing in the amazon, that it's a moment to refocus, rethink who you are and where you're going. >> yes, for sure. i'm so grateful to be where i am right now because you know, i think when some times i felt like my life was getting like, you know the hat ster on the wheel who keeps going, going through the motions. if you have always done what you have always done, will you always get what you have always gotten. if you want to create change in your life and around the world, and that is what i want to do, you have to be able to stop and

really look where you are at. and make an assessment, you know what i mean. and i'm grateful because i feel like i-- i was in the hamster wheel for 20 years and i think my kids helped a lot to try to slow that down because priorities have changed and shifted from that. before having kids and having kids and feeling like well, i'm a mom. this is my biggest role ever, you know. like whatever, i-- the biggest thing can i live is how i educated my kids and how i love them and you know, what i live, i think, is that most importantly. so a lot of things have changed and it's kind of been happening for awhile. so now i feel grateful to be in a space where i'm creating space, so i can be a mom for my kids and also work on personal projects. i take care of myself as well and figure out, like, what is really my passion, you know. what really, how can i really make a difference. how can i best serve in some way, you know, that's what i am thinking right now. so i'm really grateful that i

have the opportunity at 35 years old to do that, versus just keep going on the hamster wheel. >> rose: so you find the balance, what is going to be the role of modeling. are you saying good-bye to that? >> you know, i feel like i've been-- i feel fulfilled. i feel like i have given a lot of energy and dedication and focus to that. you know, and i think 20 years is like more than half my life doing that. i feel like is long enough, you know. i feel like i still have some contracts. and they're going to still going forward. there are still some things i am going to be doing. but it's not my focus by any manies any more. >> rose: and beyond family the things that excite you the most are environmental issues. >> yeah, children, i love children, anything to do with children is like, you know, so special to me. so i love, you know, mother earth and, you know, so more consciousness around that. and i love children. so i think the best way to maybe

work with something with children would be in the educational area because that is how can i give them, i think, best opportunities. but i think for me it is really a time of meditating and-- imed tait daily but i think it's different when are you meditating daily but you have a million other responsibilities. u do transsen dentalitation, meditation twice a day. >> i do. >> rose: 20 minutes a time. >> i o go. but i have been doing it since my early 20s which was a different kind of medication. -- meditation. i had a lot of challenges in my early 20s and i felt like-- sometimes in life you find the biggest blessings when you go into the biggest challenges which is-- it always happens that way. but so you know, i started meditating in my early 20s. i would just go, like once or twice a year, i would do like three days of meditation and silence, almost like a small-- i never had ten days of meditation so three days is what i used to

do in my early 20s. and that shift add lot of the way i thought about life on things. that was one big change that happened in my life and changed the way i thought. there are different things that happened and make you kind of like change. i think that now i do that because 20 minutes a day that a mom can do. >> it clears your mind. >> it clears your mind and i think it helps me just kind of talk with, you know, like with myself in a way, with, i call it like my higher self. it is a place where i can actually have access to a lot more information than just like the monkey mind. the monkey mind keeps taking you here and there and never stops and are you like okay, enough monkey mind. and it doesn't stop. one thing after the other, you stuck that to that and you realize, like wait a minute. i don't have to go with the stock. i'm not my thoughts. i am whatever i want to-- what is it i want to focus on. what is it i want to create.

i think meditation for me allows me to focus and kind of recalibrate and go back into the center where i can come from a place of more, you know, consciousness versus from just like the rat race, you know. >> there was a time that you looked for spirit all understanding too. you sought out. >> very much so. >> spirit all books. >> oh, yeah. i started actually when i was 14 years old. because when i left home, and i remember like i had-- i was going to school and when i left home at 14 i didn't go to scoovment i didn't finish high school. my school is-- is life, is the best school. and i think it was-- i started studying astrology because nobody was dictating what i needed to study. i wasn't going to scoocialtion i was working. i was living in japan and moved to new york when i was like 18 and a half, i think it has always been something very important to me.

at first starting more miss particular stuff. i enjoy neum rolling, and-- one of the first books i read, mastery of love, i started studying buddism and tishnah and different forms of religion because i was interested in it. i tell you what happened actually, when i was 13 years old i was sent to the principal's office because i was going to school and raised catholic, a very large catholic country, one of the largest after the valt can, i believe. so i am asking the teacher, say listen, i don't really understand why we have-- if jesus says you have to turn the other cheek, right, if someone slaps you, you have to turn the other cheek, why are there commandments. >> she sent me to the principal. i was like-- . >> rose: hello. >> hello, this is not the answer i was looking for. so i realized there must be more to life, must be more, there must be other answers. because if she is my teacher and she cannot give me an answer about a simple question, i

thought, you know, and that's when i started studying about more spirit allity and tried to find answers in other, you know, forms of knowledge, let's say. >> rose: is there two giseles? is there one the persona of the model, the person that you inhabit. >> yes, for sure. >> rose: when you are in a studio. >> yeah. >> rose: when are you on a shot. and then there is you, this other person who is gisele who left home at 14, traveled around the world, became the best at what she does, but is a very private person. cuz you said nobody really knows me. >> that's true. i think just my personal friends and family really know me. because i feel like you know, when you leave home at 14 years old and you start doing this job, modeling was never something i ever wanted to do i was a volleyball player. and i was really into sports. i never had opened a fashion

magazine before. so it was kind of hard to meet the girls so when they see me and they kind of say hey, do you want to be a model it was kind of an opportunity. they kind of showed up in my life at 14. and i didn't know anything about it. but i knew that-- . >> rose: never seen a fashion magazine. >> never seen a fashion magazine. i am from a village of 10,000 people in the south of brazil, you know. if you go see my city there is not even a traffic light. >> rose: not one traffic light. >> sometimes you see cow cars in the street, you know. i really came from, you know, a small town. >> rose: middle class family. >> middle class family. >> rose: mother was a banker. >> my mom worked in the bank. >> rose: father was a contractor. >> my father was in real estate and then he became, he did social yol guest. so he wrote a lot of books. sew was very interested in study of human nature and people and society and all that stuff. philosophy as well. so he wrote like two books

about-- he is definitely-- . >> rose: so the spirit all side comes from him and the real statistics side comes from your motder. >> yes, exactly. my father is the guy who-- he's the person i can bounce ideas off, you know b that side, spirit allity and my mom was kind of the person who taught me how to work hard. my mother was always working at the bank. up at 6 a.m. making sure we had our avocado vitamin before we leave to go to school. she worked all day. she always came home for lunch for an hour so we could have lunch with her. and then we wouldn't see her all day. she work woked up at 5:00 to wash clothes for eight people, you know. she devoted her life to her family, she was a very hardworking woman. she focused and very devoted to her family. >> rose: that is the part of you that became the model. >> yes, for sure, absolutely. and i think the part that my dad brought was the spirit allity and the part of like we are more than we can see with our eyes, you know. we are more than what is being

told to us. like you have-- so i think he was always, he was the seeker. he is always constantly wanting to dig deeper. and i think that part came from him. so i think he was a good balance because when i started, you know, i definitely had a lot of my mom, you know, it was like okay, how do i become the best that i can be. how can i do my best every day, no matter what gets thrown at me, no matter how many people, what happens, i will shoip and come with my open heart and give my best. so i think that came from my mom. but i think what i was able to keep me kind of safe, i say, because you know, making 20 years in this business is an, you know, you see a lot of things and there are a lot of not very happy ending stories. i think the spirit allity is what kind of kept me safe as well. i think both of them were extremely important in my life because i don't think i could have-- i believe if i don't have both of those identifies. >> you said you wanted to be a volleyball player. >> yes. >> so you are six foot whatever.

>> i'm 5, 11. maybe six foot on a good day. >> rose: so a little bit of modelk to have a better posture. >> yes. >> rose. >> that is why i was on this course, that is how i met up in the shopping mall because my mom was always complaining, gisele, stand straight. i was 5, 11 at 14. it wasn't fun. everybody made fun of me. every time i go in the slow dance, nobody wanted to dance with me. seriously, i was this much taller than everyone in my las. i have a twin sister, she had the same height as everybody else. and i just felt like i was bullied a lot in school, olive oil. >> rose: from popeye. >> popeye, and anything that was like tam alley, anything that was really skinny, it was really mean, i felt like what they were calling me. and when are you young you feel really awkward, right. you are 14 years old. you don't need any help feeling awkward. >> rose: you didn't say to them watch out, i'm going to be the most famous model in the

world. >> no, and you know what, i had no idea that that was even a possibility. >> rose: so when they came to you in that mall and said you could be a model. >> yes. i couldn't believe, i was like mom, my mom was-- it was actually all my friends from school, it was the kind of thing that everyone at inn my school did this course. and my sisters were there with me, we were all in the mall. and this guy came to me, a stranger, right. and my mom said never talk to strangers. so mom! >> rose: he tells you you could be a model. >> mom, this guy is calling me. and i went there, my mom came, she is like yes. i said mom, this guy wants me to be a model. and he talked to my mom and convinced her and said yawr daughter is really tall and really skinny. she has the kind of, you know, body, the form of a model.

so why doesn't she try. and my mom asked me if i wanted to try. you know, i never really thought of modeling and stuff like that before. but i have always been the kind i didn't really know, i movea by, that i always was like that since i was a little kid, you know, like even if i wasn't in the volleyball team i wanted to play the year older. >> rose: what is that about. >> i just wanted to kind of push myself. i always felt like how can i be better. i don't know, since i was a little kid, in class, if i took like nine in a test i would be so upset. why didn't i make a ten. so i think, i think maybe it's part because have i five sition ker-- sisters and i have a twin sister. so i think they were always kind of, not in competition but we were always kind of trying to get my parent's attention because it was hard to get attention when you are between six and i'm the middle child and a twin. so it wasn't like i was the baby or the oldest. i was trying to kind of like, all my sisters were very good at school. so i think we always, we saw how

hard our parents work. we all wanted to make them proud, in order to make them proud also, and to be like you did good. you know, you have to do your best. you have to be excellent. >> rose: so your mother said okay, this is all right. did you see it as a ticket for you and did you have any sense that this is what i am going to be doing for the next 20 years of my life. >> if you told me that then, i would be like you're crazy. you know, i have no idea. and the funny thing is, one of the parts that i saw like i'm going to go and give it a try, i wanted to-- the first money i made for the first four years, it was like, it was going towards my family. they never asked for any money-- because i was-- i am part of this family and this is my contribution. i felt very grown up. i felt like i can help, you know, i can help my family. and i felt like very responsible in that way it made me feel really good about being able to contribute in some way. is so it felt like, you know,

maybe i was thinking, like, if i can be in this business for like five, ten years, if i can make t i will be able to buy an apartment. i'm not going to scoovment i remember i thought about my first parm at 19 years old. and i was always thinking, like wait a minute, if i'm going to finish this job, because i saw a lot of girls coming and going so fast. and i wanted to have something. so i was like if i'm going to have to pay this much money in rent a month, maybe i should just put that money towards a mortgage, you know, i never spend money on nismght i didn't want to leave modeling empty-handed because god knows when this can end. it could end any time. one day you saw them doing everything, the next day you never saw them again. that is what happened to me toorks you know, so it is a bus, the same way it can start, the same way it can go up, as fast as it goes up, you can go down. it's a a very intense. >> rose: but you're telling me you were hungry for it.

you had real drive and ambition. >> for anything in my life because that's the kind of person i am. i think i'm a person who tries to be the best that i can be. le to eat on the floor.to ben my i'm that person, you know what i am saying. if i'm going do it-- . >> rose: i do know. >> whatever it is i'm going to make the time to do it, i am not going to be there if i can't show up 100 percent. >> rose: okay, but clearly you have that. even tom, your husband has said you are one hell of a business woman. >> well, i think i'm just a human being in constant search for seeing how i can be the best that i can be at anything. >> rose: are you the best ve.ause of the look that you >> not at all. >> rose: no. >> i don't think so, not at all. >> rose: why? why are you the best? >> i think you have sto ask the people who chose to work with me. >> rose: ask the photographers. >> yeah. >> rose: ask the designers. >> yes. >> rose: and what would they say, you know them, they are your friends. they're in the book.

>> i think, did you see their quotes. >> rose: yes. >> so you know too. you see? >> rose: well, yes. >> you know too. well,. >> rose: but it's drive part, certainly the look. >> i think-- . >> rose: you changed the face of modeling it was no longer moss t baiment bundchen. >> i think i was at the right place at the right time. i think i was lucky. >> rose: the world was ready to switch to a different kind of look. >> yes. and then i was there. >> rose: and were you that look. >> i was that look. so i felt like i was at the right place at the right time with the right attitude. >> rose: photographers have liked you. >> yes, they have been kind. >> rose: is it because what? >> i think because of my personality. >> rose: do you really? >> yeah. i think i never complained. they said-- gisele, go over there, it's below zero in a bathing suit and start jumping, that's what i do. gisele, it's a hundred degrees go shoot-- . >> rose: because you want it so badly. >> because i wanted to do my best. because i feel like for me, if

i'm going to be there, if i choose to say yes to something and someone is putting their trust in me, i don't want to disappoint anybody. i'm just not that person. i don't want to, you know, make anyone feel like like-- i just didn't want to disappoint anybody. i just want to make people, if they count on me, they no. >> i want them to know they can count on me. if they call me up and ask me to do the job, i will show up and give my best. >> rose: by the time you signed the victoria secret contract, how many vogue kfers, like eight or nine. >> oh, man, i think maybe more, american vogue, i don't know, but all vogues, have i no idea. >> rose: u.k. >> yeah, british vogue. i like you did your homework. good job. >> the american vogue, i think that changes a lot, changes a lot but i feel like people like

to work with me because i was willing to-- . >> rose: give your best. >> give my best. and i feel like i was always-- i was always so grateful to be there. i never, i couldn't believe people were giving me a chance. you have to remember, there was always a part of me who felt like the underdog, right. here i am. and people are giving me a chance. >> rose: as kids you were gawky and olive oil. >> there say part of that, no matter how-- i'm telling you there is a part of that that stays with you. >> rose: that's not unusual. >> no, it's not. >> rose: what we learned in our childhood, throughout our life. >> exactly. no matter where you go, there is always that part of you that you kind of remember that. >> rose: did you begin to think inside i'm pretty? because there is some people who never bleef they're pretty because growing up they never thought they were pretty. but you began to realize. >> i began to realize that i had something to-- that i could do with this. like i fement like i can-- i think i can really do something here. you know. and i felt-- . >> rose: there was some magic

that happened between you an a camera. >> yeah, i feel very comfortable with the camera. and i think the reason why i felt very kferltable is because i've always separated her, gisele, this idea. >> rose: the persona. >> the persona than guess el the goof ball me, toment boy. so i think the fashion wanted to, create this ideal of glamorous and srkszy-- sexy and all that stuff. >> rose: you understood that and you were willing to serve that thing. >> yes, i was. yes. and that's what made you, among other things, when were you 20 years old, victoria secret give. and they want to pay me $25 million. >> yes. i have to say that at the time it was a really funny thing because i was doing a lot of fashion at the time. and in 2 thousand, are you either a fashion model or a

commercial model it is not like today you can do everything. you can travel between two worlds and be fine. at that time either are you a vogue model or you are a catalog model. so there is a big decision. even though it was a lot of money, you know, it was like, i remember talking with my agent anne who has worked with me since i was 16, and she, i remember she said this is a decision you have to make because you might never do a vogue cover again and you might never do-- because this is a commercial client versus a fashion client. and really, this models-- it was kind of like two separate worlds. >> rose: but you were breaking that barrier. >> at that time i didn't know that i could. d it worked out because i wasm able to navigate between the two worlds. >> rose: so it may not have been a big deal to your parents because they already knew you were making a lot of money. >> yeah, but i wasn't making that kind of money.

you know what i mean. it was the beginning of that. >> rose: what did victoria secret do for you? >> i think we both were in each other's life at the right time. i think we both kind of benefited. >> rose: you gave an image to them. >> and they gave me money. >> rose: and they gave you. >> i think it was-- i think victoria secret combination was a very good combination. it was, again, being at the right place at the right time. i think it was the right fit for them and for me. and i think you know, it was a different kind of exposure because i feel when are you doing a fashion it was more like a fashion team thing and that was more mainstream because it was catalogs and it was more commercial. and before i was a very-- i never really did interviews. but now because i was victoria secret, i had pr days and all this stuff. >> rose: and you found out you loved to talk. >> and then i never stopped. and i have been talking since then. >> rose: what did you say? you wanted to talk so you could ask the questions and answer

them. >> my sister my friends, you talk so much t is going to be questions by gisele, no, that the much i'm trying to talk less but it's kind of difficult. >> rose: so when you met tom brady what did your instinct say? >> i thought he was, he is a very kind man. >> rose: you keep saying that. >> because is he. >> rose: kind, was what. >> he's kind, you know. you know him. he's a good-- he is a good man. he very-- he has a sweetness about him. and he has a-- almost like, he is just very gentle and kind and loving, you know. and you don't meal-- i remember meeting him and just thinking, and i loved it that when i met him he didn't even know how good looking he was. >> rose: he didn't know. >> no, now he knows that but at the time i remember like, just a guy who is very sweet and doesn't come across like i'm so, like-- there was a humility, you know, there was something that i felt like, wow, this guy is really nice. >> rose: but he had as much

competition and competitive instinct as you did. >> i think-- . >> rose: he was every bit as competitive as you were. was that part of the attraction? >> i would say he's much more competitive than me. i would say i'm more a could lab rattive person. because in my job, it's about collaboration. >> rose: in his job too. where do you think those big linemen shall. >> but he's kind of the boss in some way. not the bus but he cannot dik taivment he says-- he kind of has to dictate, this is smack something, i don't know, some language, dot dot, i don't know what, some language. >> rose: what ever he says. >> whatever he says, football language. but he kind of says, he kind of sets the play. in my job i come in and it is like okay, makeup, hair, photographers, stylist, designer. what are they creating, who is this person. who is she today. is she a sex bomb, is she-- so it is a collaboration. my job is so much more-- for me i feel like it's about understanding and really getting

it out, everybody's intention. >> rose: are you kind of a cam eel onthat can be everything they need and want with. >> that is what i try to be in my job. >> rose: you can wear the clothes, you can take the look. you can be the character that they want to see? >> yeah, i think i'm a white camera, i think that is-- white canvas. i think you become the right canvas and the painter, let's paint together, how this is going to happen. it's like, i think it's a collaboration because when you come in, you never know what are you going to get, what character you are going to get to play because people might be thinking if you see in the book, today's black wheek day or today is going to be like-- you know, sparkles or today is going to be like, you know,-- it is such a different range you can go. >> rose: with the talent you have, i'm surprised you never became really deeply into acting. >> i never really-- it wasn't really my thing, you know,

acting. >> rose: but you could be a cham eel on, could you turn on a dime and do something else. >> yeah, but-- . >> rose: it didn't turn you on? >> i just kind of felt like i was doing so well in what i was doing. >> rose: were you safe, you played it safe. >> and i felt like i enjoyed what i was doing. i loved being with the people. i felt like i was going to work after a while became like seeing people you know, like you work with these people for 20 years, so it becomes nice to see them again. sometimes you don't see them for two, three months and you don't see them again and then they have kids. you get to talk with them. i like that kind of relationship that, you know, i was able to have throughout 20 years in the business, you know. and i did---- for a day and i did taxi, and i felt like that world of being completely kind of immersed in something for three months of a time, it was more of the role play i wanted to do i enjoy kind of getting

there in the morning, 9 a.m. and finish by 6:00 and be like good-bye, gisele is off now. and now i will go be-- . >> rose: the persona stays there. >> i wouldn't like to leave the persona for three, four, five months. >> rose: so you have a long three hour conversation and you >> it was like-- it was at the very end, like december-- . >> rose: this say football player, a great football player that you knew nothing. >> no, nothing. >> rose: and you had known about formula one racing but not football. >> football in braz sil a different kind of football, it's soccer. so i was like i don't understand what these people are doing, why are they stopping all the time. >> rose: no matter what he did, you knew you liked him. >> i just thought he was very kind because he just is, you know. >> you also said, and he said he's my best friend. he said you're his best friend. >> yeah. >> rose: and he knows are you there for him as you were when he went through tough times recently.

>> yeah. >> rose: and you know that he would always be at your back. >> yeah. >> rose: and these are important qualities for you, gisele wants to know that her family and her man are there. and her friends. >> yeah. >> rose: because there's still a bit of vulnerability. >> that is what life is about, isn't there. >> rose: there is still a bit of vulnerability. >> i'm a very vulnerable person, oh, yeah, i'm very sensitive. i think vulnerability is a good thing. because i think-- i'm a very-- i like to feel things, you know. i feel like my body-- my feelings are what guides me. so if i don't feel-- if i'm not allowed to feel what i'm feeling, i don't notice and i stop to really ask myself how am i feel being this, how does it feel in my body? how do i know where to go. it's what guides me, you know, so i think that's extremely important. but in the beginning of my career, i didn't really show that vulnerability because it was very scary to show that vulnerability. so i would rather be like gisele is a tough, strong professional.

>> rose: but that was the image too. >> that was the image too because i felt like i was safe that way. because if everyone knew how vulnerable i was, then i would be-- . >> rose: it would erode the image. >> it would be more-- you know, exposed to like having to feel so much. and i felt like it was kind of safe to be the gisele persona, to be the tough one and everyone who knew me and my family and my friends, they know that i'm just, you know, melted butter. so it was good, it's like you have these two-- what are you going to do. a girl has to do what a girl is going to do, to survive. we do whatever we got to do to survive. >> rose: and then vow madly in love with tom. he sort of scampering up to boston. and then you found out his former girlfriend is pregnant. >> yeah. >> rose: tough for you guys or did tom sort of said she wants to have the child and you were there to support him.

>> i found out that happened in february, the same time that everyone found out, i guess. because i found out the same day the press found out. and it was a challenging thing because here i am, i'm dating this guy, we met and we started dating. and everything is great. and this happens, right. so i felt like i didn't know what to do. he was kind of one of those moments of like do i just run away or do i-- you know, i think it was very challenging for everyone involved. >> rose: you thought you might need to run away for everybody. >> yeah. >> rose: you, for you. >> for everything, but you know, he just-- that is not what-- you know, i think when you are in a situation like this where there is a lot of emotions involve and your heart is involved and you are in love with someone and then, you know, he felt like that was a relationship that he

felt that when they broke up back in november or whenever, you know, that was done. and then that happens. you know, i think there are a lot of emotions for a lot of people sloffed. and i think it was a very challenging time for all of us. i think for the three of us, was very challenging. you know. >> rose: you mean the mother. >> yeah, for sure. >> rose: has become part of the family? >> of course. >> rose: joint custody. >> he's-- you know, he's a wonderful kid and i think we-- i think all of us, i think sometimes through all this whole thing happened he was obviously a sensationalist story for the press. the way they played it around t was very, i felt like you know, heartless and mean. and i think you know, i think it was really great that we were all able to talk with each other and kind of come to a place of understanding of where everybody was at. and what was the most important

thing and how can we best sportd jack. and i think you know now eight years later, we have a great relationship, all of us, you know. and i think you know, i couldn't have asked for a sweeter child. and i think it all worked out in the end. but it was a tough time. >> rose: how tough was it when tom had to go through what he just went through? >> we have been through a few tough times together. i think that is when-- i think that is when you know who are your friends. and who loves you. i think my father always said the quality of your life depends on the quality of your relationships. and he's so right about that. because that is all that matters. nothing else matters. if you feel loved and if you feel loved and supported, what else is more important than that. and i think no malter how challenging it was, we always

have been supportive of one another and you know, i think that's the most important thing you can have in love, a support system and love. >> rose: and then benjamin came along and was born in boston overlooking the charles river in your apartment. >> yes. i have always dreamed of having a home birth. it was one of those things that you always felt like you wanted to do, you know. so i remember my parents and tom were like you're crazy. what are you going to do. you're going to die, no, i'm not. it is so dangerous. >> rose: you insisted on it because? >> because i've always dreamed, you know when you have a vision of what it's going to be. as a girl, i don't know if every girl had that. but i had a dream of like having a baby naturally and in the water. >> rose: in the bath. >> yeah, in the bath. and i have always had that feeling. and i watched all these birth movies and all these women giving birth in the water. that is so beautiful so connected, so peaceful. you know, just seemed like such

a beautiful experience, you know. and i wanted to make it a beautiful experience. i wanted to have this amazing experience. i'm a woman and i really wanted to have it that way. and after i showed so many movies of home, tom was like, i'm done, i'm not watching one more woman having wirth, whatever you want, you can have it anyway you want. in the beginning he was-- . >> rose: don't show me any more move wrees. >> no more movies of women giving bimplet you do whatever you want. so then i was able to have him at home. and it was such a wonderful experience. >> rose: you have described it almost letterically as he was born you felt like the most wonderful feeling you had ever had. >> it really was. the more i felt the pain, you know, because it is a very painful experience when your whole body is opening but i felt like it was such a-- i knew that behind that, i was going to get to meet my child, you know, behind that he's closer, he's closer. so i think my focus was so much on that, that by the time he came out, it was drk dsh and

then after he's out, you are just fiefling these amazing endorphins and you have never been happier. and i felt like if i can do this, i can do anything. so i even felt stronger. there was a part of me who felt like, like what else, you know, what else is going to come. because i feel like i can do anything after that. >> rose: so what do you want to do? >> i want to be in service in some form, you know, bring more con shusesness into the world show. i don't know exactly what form or shape that will be. but hopefully we will be having, you and i will have-- . >> rose: the conversations. >> be having other conversations. >> rose: i haven't finished this one. so you are doing the united nations thing, you are a united nations ambassador to the environment. >> yeah. i started, because i saw some of the personal projects i was doing with-- we had the-- working with us and doing a lot of the percentage of the sale of this whole line for the

time i did it which was ten years, always for an environmental cause. we were planting forests or-- . >> rose: a lot of it was for planting forest. >> yeah, for planting forest or cleaning rivers. we had a in. so we had a lot of different kinds of projects throughout the years. in the u.n., there is an individual who is actually doing some interesting things and then they asked me to be the ambassador and from then i i became a u.n. ambassador. >> rose: you gave a million plus dollars to the red cross in haiti, did you that. >> uh-huh. >> rose: just why, just because you thought you wanted to help the people. >> i mean look, i feel like i'm very-- i'm very grateful for the opportunities i have in my life, right. and i feel like any time that we can do something to help, i feel-- i don't know.

>> rose: because you've said the two most important lessons you've learned is one, remember where you came from. >> yes. >> rose: and the second lesson is to give. >> yeah. >> rose: those are the two things you learned most. >> for sure. because it brings such a joy, you know what i'm saying. even if you give like a smile, you know, if you are walking in the street and people are like-- you give them a smile. they smile back at you and that gift, even that-- but you know, it's like any gift. you always-- we each individual in the world has a choice. we all have a choice. no matter what social class we are from, no matter what we do as a job, we each have a choice to come from love, or not. we each every day have a choice to be a person who welcomes people with love and come from that energy or come from an energy of not love. and i feel like that's the biggest if each individual can give, you know, imagine if all of us were going out there and think how can i best, you know, how can i be more loving. how can i be more conscience.

i think its world would be a different place. i think everyone can do that. that doesn't cost anything to be nice, to be loving. >> rose: you really are a reflection of your mother and your father. on the one hand, go get it and the other, understanding the meaning of it. >> yeah, because i mean, right? to just go, go, go, get, get, get. >> rose: how do you like all the celebrity stuff? is that part of who you are? part of why you are in part? >> the public demands to see your photograph as part of the reason that you have had done things you never could have imagined. >> yes, i'm grateful for that. >> rose: because the public wants to see you. and you earned something are you better at than anybody else f in fact the measurement is how many covers you are on. there are people who say now that are you the last supermodel.

and i say that with some caution because my sense is that's not how you view yourself. >> yes sz as-- . >> rose: as a supermodel. >> i don't. >> rose: that is what you do. >> that's what i do. that's my job. >> rose: it's not who you are. >> 100 percent correct. that is my job a have. what is this part within that is about the world that you have had been in for the last 20 years? is that-- are moving away from that, after you get through the contracts you have? >> uh-huh. >> are you? >> yes. >> i'm not saying i'm never going to model again. maybe there is something that i really believe in. maybe there is a product or a company, you know, i have no idea how to know what will happen in the future because if

you asked me when i was 14 that i was going to stay 20 years in fashion, i would say i think you're crazy. so you know, i have learned to say, you know, one thing i've learned in my life is to never say never but i feel like i know that my focus has shifted, you know. and i think when you are. >> and it's your choice. >> and it's my choice. and it's my choice and i'm so grateful for that, you know, every day i just think like, i'm so grateful, you know, just working very hard and devotek myself to this, it has given me the opportunity to have this choice. to be in disclosure, to the closing of this chap tear with so much gratitude and joy and happiness because a lot of people don't end that way in this business,. >> rose: a lot of casualties wndz and i saw a lot.

when they stop taking pick turbs their life seemed to spiral downward. >> you know what i like to say, the bigger the tree branches, the wider they become on the outside, the deeper the roots have to be on the inside, do you know what i'm saying to sustain that. that's the work that i have been doing consistently together. the deeper the roots had to get to sustain that balance and so you know, i never believed the blame or the praise because you understand, you go in there, so just remember who you are and just keep that separate and i think for me now coming into this place in my life, i just feel like, you know, my father always likes to say there are cycles of seven. and it's really funny because when i was 14, i started, right. and 35 makes it three cycles of sefn, isn't that funny. i just realized, i'm actually getting too a new cycle of

seven. >> are you getting older. >> getting older, the word i like to use is getting wiser because i'm really interested in learns i kind of graph tailt to people who have something to teach me. i'm actually, i want to neem noal chomsky, i am meeting these amazing people, because i live in boston, and so i'm just so interested in what these people have. >> is part of this wanting to learn some of the things because were you so busy earning and on a plane all the time, on the runway all the time n front of a camera all the time, that now you have time to sort of drill down. >> yes, and really do-- and really kind of like, like discover, you know, what inspires me and kind of, you know, move, because i think sometimes when you are in the hamster wheel and are you just going, are you not noticing that are you just going like, that right. until you stop. and are you like wait a minute, i'm here. i'm just going you through the

motions and i'm not really-- i feel like i'm in a place in my life where i can sit and say well, the wonderful part about having-- i always wonder hoy did i become a model. i never really knew about fashion or care about like how did i become a model. now i know yvment i think i needed to acquire those things that this profession gave me so i can have maybe perhaps a voice or on the subts, to talk about the subjects that i find important. and to actually also meet the people that i find interesting and inspiring because maybe now they want to meet me and maybe before they wouldn't want to meet me. i feel like that is part of why i was able to acquire for the next chapter of my life. >> do paparazzi drive you crazy. >> i think they drive anybody crazy. i think i'm a very-- i just don't think it's very respectful for people to follow people. and i don't understand how that's right.

i understand that there are people in the business who made their careers that way and who love that thing but i tell you when i started modeling at 14, there was none of that. >> rose: that has changed. >> i was like, that is not what, you know, i had signed up for. it kind of changed. >> rose: when they say about you in paris, or that was you, what is your reaction to all of that? >> you know what i feel about paparazzi, i feel that paparazzi is feeding a system and a media that doesn't have to fact check. they don't have to say they don't have to know what is true what is not true. they think they can create any story about nik they want and they have zero account ability for anything. if you're going to talk about something i have to be accountable bawses you have to be responsible. and you have to take account ability for what you are saying. the problem in today's world is magazines, and the gos i world i'm talking about reasons and there are too many of them for you to say that's not me or if

it is me, it's none of your business? >> the way i choose to deal with goips, let me explain. gos i is a very low vy raise-- vibe raise energy. very low vibe raise energy. and if you choose to focus on that energy which is a free world, everyone can focus on whatever energy you want to, that is the energy you're going to create more of in your life. i'm a person who chooses to focus on things that will inspire me, that make me happy, bring joy to my life. because that's what i want to create. and i know how to create it because that's what i have been doing. do you know what i'm saying. if you wanted to listen to the haters, i never would be where i am today. so i feel like how i focus, i believe everything is energy. and there is a negative and then nrk that is not serving me and is not serving the highest good. so i choose to consciencely, i consciencely choose to focus on things that make me happy. and i don't focus at all, that

is not a bad energy. >> so you don't want to do that you don't want to. >> i am not-- because it is distracting, inspired by, if you want to learn and all the things that are better use of your time. >> i don't talk about gos i, because i feel like gos i is-- gos i doesn't serve anybody. >> without do you hope people get from this book? >> a hundred dollar book, i think t all goes to charity. >> yes. >> lots of photograph of you. >> uh-huh. >> rose: lots of tri beutds from your friends, lots of famous pictures of including on the cover, most famous picture of you. the money goes to charity as i said. what do you want people to come away with? >> you know, i really didn't-- it wasn't really about anybody else,ed reason why i did this book.

it was really about something that i felt that i wanted to honor this last 20 years. and it was about like a form of, you know, celebrating something that was a, you know, that i felt was a big accomplishment in my life. and i felt like it was a very important cycle of my life. and i wanted to honor everyone that was part of it. and that i work with because you know they were all very important and who i am today. like every person played a role and taught me something. so i wanted to just-- it was just a form of celebrating and honoring, you know, this part of my life. and i wanted to celebrate that. so it was really in the spirits of that gratitude that i felt to the business. >> rose: here's what i think is interesting about you, among many things, one is your drive, two is your sense of looking for meaning. three is that you are at a place

in which you don't quite know where the future is. >> yes. >> rose: that's rather exciting. >> that is a beautiful thing. >> rose: exactly. >> it is scary a little bit. but it's exciting. because you have the opportunity, because when you have no definition exactly what it is. >> rose: it's better. >> everything is possible. >> rose: exactly. >> miracles happen that way. the magic happens that way. when sometimes we have such a strong opinion about something, and then we fore get to see all the signs and the magic that is happening all around us all the time, if you just stop and listen, and you are open to it, you get to experience so much more, i feel. and i work very hard since i was 14 years old to be in my life all this place, to make that choice. >> rose: for more about this program and earlier episodes visit us online at pbs.org and charlie rose.com.

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