captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, russia, america, and new efforts for a diplomatic solution in syria. the republican candidates run to the right. and jennifer lawrence leads an ensemble cast in the dramatic comedy "joy." >> i have real ambitions and real ideas. >> we're making an unvention and it's very serious. >> joy has never run a businesss in her entire life. >> it's my fault. i gave her the confidence to think she was more than just an unemployed housewife. >> i don't want to end up like my family. i have to do things myself once and for all. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen.

>> funding for charlie rose was provided by the following: >> rose: is it luck at all. people's imaginations. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> we have an enormous amount of respect for each other. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week the paris climate conference ended with an agreement to limit greenhouse gases. congress avoided another government shutdown, and soccer's abbey wambach played her last game as captain of the american's team. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. the jury deadlocks in the freddie gray trial. >> the other five officers charge individual their hearings set for the new year. >> bow bergdahl will face a

court-martial for desertion. >> the maximum punishment could be life in prison. >> rose: a terror hoax shuts down l.a. schools. >> students will be back in class today in l.a. following a terrorist threat promising an attack with guns and bombs. >> we're announcing the arrest this morning of martin shkreli. mr. shkreli is charged with orchestrating three interrelated schemes. >> my whole life has throad this moment. >> the premiere of "star wars: the force awakens." >> bill cosby filed a counter-suit against the women accusing him of sexual misconduct. >> the feds raze interest rates. >> according to a new report, jeb bush's campaign and the superpac supporting him have spent more than $30 million on ads for him, and from the looks of those ads, it seems like things aren't going great for jeb. ( laughter ) ( applause )

>> the sendoff for abbey wambach, the face of women's soccer in the u.s. for the last decade, playing her final international game. >> i love you guys so much. bourbon street, watch out. ( "rocky" theme ) >> rose: the republicans debate. >> he's a chaos candidate. >> marco knows what he's saying isn't true. >> let me just complain a little bit. >> is donald trump a serious candidate? >> this is what it's like to be on the floor of the united states senate. >> am i talking or are you talking, jeb. >> i'm talking right now. >> please wait your turn. we'll get to you on this. >> sorry, you haven't-- >> it's time we pushed the russians in the nose. >> if i'm elected we will build a wall that works and i'll get donald trump to pay for it. ♪ ♪ >> rose: there are questions this weeks too whether russia and the united states and others might reach a political solution for the civil war in syria. secretary of state john kerry met with president putin in

moscow on tuesday. where do they go from here? joining me now from sanford university is mike mcfaul, a former u.s. ambassador to russia. mike, tell me where you think we are. the "new york times" ran a story this week in which it headlined, "putin gambit over syria proves to be a dual-edged sword." and a paragraph or two later it says, "the campaign's great effects may have been on the political fortunes of russia's president putin who has leveraged russia's intervention to make himself a necessary interlockature in efforts to end the syrian civil war." where are we? >> it feels a little bit like a deja vu for me because the very room where secretary kerry met, i was with him as ambassador almost two years ago, where we d the so-called geneva 2 negotiations were launched. so i'm a little bit skeptical that this is going to lead to a breakthrough. there's no doubt it's better to be talking to the russians than

not about syria. there's no doubt putin has leverage here. and the the the atmospherics, both in public and what i have been told privately, in the meeting are much better than before. at least we're trying to find a solution. >> rose: has he moved at all? >> he always has believed that assad must stay in power and that we cannot have regime change in syria. the obama administration has always said that assad eventually must go. they've added that adverb lately, but they always have believed that in order to have peace in syria, he has to go. so the negotiations even between our two countries are going to be tough in terms of what a road map might look like. and then let's remember, the syrians haven't been involved at all yet, right? assad, his regime, his generals, the opposition-- they haven't even begun to talk about the modalities of how to talk about a transition. >> rose: has he and have the russian forces in syria made any serious effort, serious effort

to launch attacks against isis? >> well, reporting is scarce. you watch the russian news, you'll hear that they're attacking isis every night. if you read our reports out of the pentagon, they say in the first part of their campaign, they didn't attack isis at all. they were actually attacking opposition forces that we support. over the last self days, that's ttacks against isis.ussian so that's significant. s that's important, maybe a change in tactics. but an overall shift to put all of their forces against isis has not yet happened. >> rose: turning to our white house watch and the week in politics, the republican presidential candidates were in las vegas tuesday to debate national security, and the sparring has not stopped. meanwhile, congress once again walked right up to the deadline on a funding bill to keep the

government running. mike allen has more on all of this. he is the editor of the playbook blog and politico's chief white house correspondent. mike, good to see you. >> charlie, thank you for this amazing news year. >> rose: it has been incredible and thank you for sharing a lot of it with us. let me begin with this question-- do we look at the republican politic where's seems to be the most interesting developments right now, because things seem to be on the other side rather clear at this point. is donald trump solidifying his lead, gaining ground, not withstanding whatever the arguments and debates are on the side? and what we're seeing is some fight between two men, ted cruz and marco rubio, to be the opposition to trump? is that too simple? >> charlie, i think, as usual, you're dead on. and that's a change in what we've been thinking. charlie, i've been telling you over the weeks and over the months that we expected that there would be a final in the republican race.

and we've been thinking that that final would be ted cruz and marco rubio. now i'm going to say that the final in the republican race is trump and not trump. you know, the most fascinating thing that donald trump has done-- and barack obama did this a little bit, too-- he invented a new way to run for president. most presidential campaigns are fairly clear, the path, and the organization of them, and that's why you have operatives who move from one presidential campaign to another over the cycles. but donald trump is doing something totally new, relying almost totally on external excitement, the entertainment value, relying on free media rather than the traditional block exg tack ling in the states. so the question is now can donald trump convert? can donald trump turn all this undeniable excitement, thirst, hunger for him into actual vote?

if that doesn't happen, either marco rubio or ted cruz is going to be very, very, very well positioned, and the scrap now is to be that person. >> rose: help me understand the dynamics between cruz and rubio. >> so we have two 44-year-old senators who are both wanting to be a young voice for their party, both very skilled political performers on the stage. and what's fascinating, charlie, is that the contrast is both substantive and optical. there are real differences between ted cruz and marco rubio on surveillance and privacy and on immigration where ted cruz has taken a much more rigid position, and on defense spending. so real consequential differences, and then there are, also, the optical differences.

marco rubio, who is looking a lot like barack obama did in 2008, and that is, that he's fantastic on the big stage. ted cruz, who is intentionally much higher decibel, more rigid, becauses that's what he believes his people want. so on every element of them, this is a clash that a novelist or cinematographer might draw up, and we're about to see it in real time in front of our face. >> rose: bruce riedel served in the central intelligence agency for 30 years. he served four presidents as a senior adviser on asia and the middle east. his new book is called "jfk's

forgotten crisis." >> the kennedy administration, we call it camelot. it really was something special. john f. kennedy was a particularly gifted decision maker as president. you know, we're talking a lot about character of a president because we're in our presidential campaign season. this is a man who demonstrated unusual character in the white house. >> rose: explain the crews to us. >> the cries is simple-- china and india have the longest disputed border in the world. it remains the longest disputed border in the world. they also have an argument oaf tibet. china regards tibet as part of historic china. india regards tibet as part of its cultural sphere, at least, and has supported the idea of autonomy for tibet for a long time. in 19. , mao decide he had, had enough of it, he was going to

teach the indians a lesson. >> rose: was there a motivating reason to do that, other than he decided? had they done something he thought went beyond the pale? >> several things. the indians had what they called a forward policy, which is they kept pushing their patrols more and more forward, quite provocative. secondly, the united states was secretly supporting the tibetan independence movement. we were doing it from a base in what was then east pakistan, today bangladesh. from the chinese perspective, they saw these airplanes flying over tibet dropping supplies and trained people to the tibetans coming from the south. they assumed we were part of a plot with the indians. and they decided enough was enough. they would invade india and teach it a lesson, and take the territory that they wanted the most permanently, which is in the end what they ended up

doing. from the president's standpoint-- first of all, we don't want to see a democratic country defeated by a communist country. this is the height of the cold war. >> rose: i have one historical fact which you know well, is in the book. nehru had a nonalliance policy and all of a sudden the chinese after coming after him and it's, "hello, washington." >> he had to come crawling to the united states and kennedy handled that with a lot of finet ness. he didn't make nehru grovel or beg for assistance. he waited for nehru to ask for help and then he was quick to give it. we began an airlift of ?riez splooiz from the united states to india immediately aft indians asked for it. within days, there was a steady flow of jet transports coming into india delivering supplies, and then smaller american aircraft, c-130 transports, were taking those supplies right up

to the front line. >> rose: the painter archibald motley first came to prominence in the 1920s during the early days of the harlem renaissance. he went on to become one of the great american artists of the 20th century. "archibald motley: jazz age modernist" is the first full-scale survey of the painter's work in two decades. it is currently at the whitney museum here in new york city. the exhibition's curator is richard powell. put him in the context, archibald motley, of 20th century art. >> archibald motley is a colorist and a modernist who is inspired by the urban scene and african american life. to contextualize him, one could place him in the category of

american scene painting, or one could put him in a category of portraiture, or one could put him in a category of the harlem renaissance, or one could use all of those categories to place him -- >> and he stood tall in each of those. >> i would say so, yes. >> rose: there hasn't been a retrospective on him for some 20 years. >> yes, there was the last-- the last big show was at the chicago historical society, now called the chicago history museum. it was in the 90s. and our idea was in the 21st century, this was a good time to look at motley again, and we thought this was an important moment to think about archibald motley and his work, given the changes in the art world, given the fact that african american artists are a lot more prominent now than they've ever been, given that there are a lot of artists that are very interested in satire and irony and humor

and provocation. motley fits right into all of that. >> rose: what do you mean by "jazz age modernist?" that just a chronological reference? it's also a cultural reference. the 1920s and the 1930ss was a moment when not just americans but the world was inspired and moved by jazz, by urban black expression, whether it was louie armstrong or duke ellington or josephine baker or bessy smith. this was a moment when african american culture, modern african american culture really took people's imaginations so archibald moptly's art works really fit into that aesthetic milieu. >> rose: how was he influenced by chicago? he was born in new orleans and then moved to chicago. >> well, chicago was one of the w york, had this incredibleese infusion of folks from the mississippi delta. it also had infusions of folks from eastern europe and southern

europe and so there was this huge, huge migration of peoples from all over the world, and it was a place where you had meat packing and industrial activity and business was full steam, and african americans were quite entrepreneurial during that time period as well. so this was a kind of a hot bed of modernist ideas and innovation and art as well. >> rose: tell me about the harlem renaissance and his place in it. >> when people think of the harlem renaissance they automatically zoom in on 25th and lexington and that neighborhood. but in fact the harlem renaissance was a mood, a spirit, that infected people all over, not just in new york but in chicago, washington, d.c., kingston, jamaic aparis, france. again, african american culture was seen as a kind of an anecdote for the ills of the previous generation. people felt like they just couldn't-- they needed an

infusion of energy and newness and black culture really provided that. >> rose: jennifer lawrence won an academy award in 2012 for her role in filmmaker david o. russell's "silver linings playbook." just a year later, she was nominated for another oscar in russell's "american hustle." this christmas, she is front and center in the dramatic comedy "joy." it is her third collaboration with her director-mentor, david o. russell, and there is speculation she may get another oscar nomination. >> when i met the real joy mangano, i was just so fascinated by her life because when david pitched me the movie, we weren't planning on doing a biopic. we didn't want to put ourselveses with those kinds of restrictions. we wanted to be able to breathe

and he wanted sin mat and i can creative freedom and be able to explore dreams and nightmares and her child exphood have creative freedoms, and i wanted that, too. as an actor, i didn't want to feel like i was doing an imitation. but i started listening to her, obviously, when i would see her on tv, i would have her on in background. >> this product is phenomenal. it has nothing to do with me. it is the product. >> and david would have these really long conversations with her, and i would read the-- and i would listen to them or they would be trandescribed and i would read them and her life is so fascinating. and when i met her, she has such a unique energy and personality because she's very sweet. she doesn't have any airs. she's very friendly and fun and funny, but she's also very quietly powerful, has such a deep, deep patience, and that was really inspiring for me. >> rose: david o. russell, this is what he said to me at this table as we taped fair future broadcast. roll tape.

>> i've watched her have to deal with an enormous amount of attention and all sorts of things and remain true to herself and find her voice of power and dignity. i watched her buy her own house for the first time and unpack her boxes. and i've seen her learn to conduct herself and protect herself while still being true to herself. that takes a certain power. and she made herself starting at 14. to me the movie is about jennifer as well. >> he's nice. >> rose: he's more than nice. he understands you. doesn't he? >> yeah. i understand him. we have a-- i mean, my-- probably one of the most, if not the most other than family important relationship in my life. >> rose: what is it about the relationship? >> there's an understanding. i mean, we both love cinema, and i can attest to him giving me my greatest performances who showed you the mop? who sold it to you?

who showed you how to use it? >> he pushed me and pulled things out of me that i didn't even know were there, and i can be my absolute best with him. we get along. we have a similar sense of humor. we have fun. and we have an enormous amount of respect for each other. but really we have a very deep understanding of each other. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the 64th annual miss universe competition. monday is the 27th anniversary of the lockerbie bombing. tuesday is the day the world's biggest lottery, the elgordo, is drawn in spain. wednesday is the day much of the arab world celebrates the birth of the prophet mohammed. thursday is the day provost leads midnight mass at the vatican. friday is christmas day. saturday is boxing day.

and here is what's new for your weekend. "star wars episode 7" is released in theaters nationwide. >> the force, it's calling to you. >> just let it in. >> rose: chris brown releases a new album, "royalty." ♪ she only loves me because i put her down. ♪ and that's fine by me >> rose: tina fey and amy poehler return to "saturday night live" as host. >> we never think the same man is attractive and we will do it by playing a game you play at

home, would you rather. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, merry christmas and happy new year. thank you for watching. we'll see you after the holidays. >> 'twas the night before christmas, by clemet clark moore. 'twas the night before christmas, when all through the house, not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. the stockings were hung by the chimney with care in hopes that st. nicolas soon would be there. the children were nestled all snug in their beds, when visions of sugarplums danced in their heads. ♪ ♪ and momma in her kerchief and me in my cap had just settled our brains for a long winter's nap when out on the lawn there rose such a clatter, i sprang from my bed on to see what was the matter. away to the window i flew like a flash, tore up on the shutters, and threw up the sash.

the moon on the breast of the newfallen snow gave a lustre of midday to objects below. when what to my wondering eyes did appear but a miniature sleigh and eight tiny reindeer. with a little old driver so lively and quick, i knew in a moment, he must be st. nick. more rapid than eagle, his courses they came, and he whistled and shouted and called them by name. now dasher, now dancer, now prancer and vixen. on comet, on cupid, on donner and blitzen. to the top of the pomple, to the top of the wall, now dash away, dash away, dash away all. dry leaves before the wild hurricane fly, when they meet with an obstacle mount to the sky. so up to the housetop the courses they flew with a sleigh full of toys and st. nicolas,

too, and then in a twink ling i heard on the roof the prancing and pawing of each little hoof. as i drew in my head and was turning around, down the chimney st. nicolas came with a bound. ♪ ♪ he was dressed all in fur from his head to his foot, and his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot. a bundle of toys he had flung on his back, and he looked like a peddlar just opening his pack. his eyes had a twinkle, his dimples how merry. his cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry. his droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow and the beard of his chin was as white as the snow. the stum of a pipe he held tight in his teeth, and the smoke, it encircled his head like a wreath. he had a broad face and a little round belly that shook when he laughed like a bowl full of jelly. he was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf, and i laughed

when i saw him, in spite of myself. a wink of his eye and a twist of his head, soon he gave me to know i had nothing to dread. he spoke not a word but went straight to his work and filled all the stockings, then turned with a jerk and laying his finger aside his nose, and giving a nod, up the chimney he rose. he sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle, and the way they all flew like down of a thistle. but i heard him explain as he drove out of sight, "happy christmas to all and to all a good night." captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh

>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin tonight with bruce riedel of the brookings institution. his new book is called "j.f.k.'s forgotten crisis: tibet, the c.i.a., and the sino-indian war." >> it's no longer just a terrorist issue. it's become part of the failure of the arab state system in the wake of the failure of the arab spring. that's what's permitting it to operate, the chaos that came out of the arab spring. same is true for al quaida. that's what makes this so hard to do. that's where i'm quite sympathetic to the president's problem because if it is true, as i think it is, that i.s.i.s. is embedded in the iraq and syrian civil wars, a classic counterterrorism strategy of decapitating the leadership, gradually squeezing