>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose, the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, the presidential candidates ready for a battle in wis consin. david brooks on donald trump, and helen mirren dominates of chain of command in a new movie about drone warfare. >> i can't accurately estimate that yield. >> but we would be containing the payload within those walls, right. far less collateral damage than going off in a crowded shopping mall. >> yes. >> thank you. obvious to anyone trying to avoid not making a decision. >> rose: we will have those storiestories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie

rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> awareness. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> it's purely competitive. >> rose: what's the object the damage these people are causing. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week donald trump courted controversy over the abortion issue. the secret service banned guns at july's republican convention. and syracuse, villanova, oklahoma, and the university of north carolina are headed to college basketball's fortunately four. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. actress patti dukeidize at 69. >> she spoke out to help people suffering from mental illness when so few people did. >> rose: a hijacked plane lands in cypress.

>> this situation is now over. >> rose: pakistan mourns the victims of a taliban bombing. >> pope francis celebrated easter mass for tens of thousands of people in st. peter's square amid tight security. >> rose: a new report on sea level rise is not good. >> the overall large scale retreat is being driven by temperature change. >> rose: the f.b.i. hacks the iphone. >> that means the legal fight with apple is over. >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman. >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> rose: donald trump trips over abortion questions and defends his campaign manager. >> corey luen dowsky was charged with simple battery. >> who said they were bruises from that? ♪ what's new pussy cat >> a woman was at a sanctuary in florida when a panther came sprinting at her. >> american airlines apologizing to customers after a pilot failed a sobriety test.

♪ he rocks in the treetop all the day long ♪ >> aah! a very curious bird has caused quite a stir. i was not expecting that. i can't get it off me. oh, my god. you can please get it off me! it's not funny ♪ tweet, tweet, tweet, rockin' robin ♪ >> rose: in politics this week, the candidates are looking ahead to tuesday's very important wois primary. democrat bernie sanders hopes to extend his winning streak from caucuses to a fourth state. and republican ted cruz hopes a win there will slow donald trump's momentum. we're joined from washington by dan balz, who is a columnist for the "washington post," and an avid political observer. dan, thank you for this. let me begin with-- >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: with donald trump. there was the business about ted cruz's wife. there was the business about his campaign manager. and a woman. there was the business about his interview with chris matthews. is this simply taking a toll in

terms of trump and his momentum? >> i think absolutely, charlie. i mean, these have been two of the worst weeks he's had. he's had many other problems, as we know, and he's managed to survive them or move past them or put them behind him. but i think there's something materially different now this this. for one, it is-- it is increasing the obstacles he has if he is the republican nominee to win a general election. so i think we're at a moment in which he's got to find some way to re, sure people in his own party that he can be a credible and qom pettative nominee in november. >> rose: why doesn't donald trump realize this? >> well, charlie, you know him better than i do. i think he's a complicated person. i think he thinks he knows what he knows, and sometimes he doesn't whan he doesn't know. he operates on instinct. he's never been through anything

quite like this before. every time we've seen him get into a jam, his reaction is to double down, not to apologize or not to try to indicate that he's kind of going to ground to kind of learn the mistake or take a lesson from the mistake. i think at this moment he kind of has to take stock about what it all means. >> rose: what was your impression when he talked about foreign policy, not only at the "new york times" but also at your own "washington post"? >> well, i think if you take the sum total of what he had to say, it's a quite radical departure from-- whether it's a republican orthodoxy or kind of a general foreign policy consensus. again, he's operating on instinct as opposed to knowledge. and i think that it suggests to a lot of people that he hasn't done the amount of study that you would want in a person who aspiers to be the commander in chief. >> rose: let's assume he loses, for a moment, in

wisconsin. what ask that do for him and what does it it do for ted cruz if he is the winner? >> well, wisconsin has shaped up as a very important moment,ening part because of everything that has proceeded with donald trump. and if he loses in wisconsin, that's going to be a big psychological blow and, you know, it's hard to call it necessarily a definitive turning point because there's so much left on the table for him to do. but it's going to be important if he falls well short in wisconsin. >> rose: and for bernie sanders and hillary clinton in wisconsin? what are the stakes? well, the stakes are important in this sense. bernie sanders has had a very good run in caucuses, and he has won them by not just big margins. un, huge margins, i mean 75-25. and it has given him momentum going into wisconsin. wisconsin is a very good state for him or ought to be. it's an open primary. there is a history of populism and progressivism.

but he needs a victory in this to accelerate or perpetuate the momentum that he's gotten from the recent caucuses. and then we will go into a very big battle in new york. we haven't seen a big competitive democratic primary in new york since perhaps 1992, or maybe 1988. so this will shape up as a kind of a final battle between the two of them if he comes out of wisconsin with momentum. so it doesn't necessarily change the calculus about who's the favorite to win the nomination. but it'st certainly raises continuing questions about why she is not quite able to put him away. >> rose: the events of the week are just the latest to raise eyebrows about the temperament of the trump campaign and why up to this point it has been so successful.

david brooks is a columnist for the "new york times." >> i messed up big time with not knowing trump was coming. and so then-- when something like that happens, you take-- you take a look at yourself and you think oh, what did i mis about america? and i'm too much in the corridor. i have toy get out. that's the -- >> meaning the acela corridor from boston to new york to washington rather than being in farms and factories or-- >> oh, when i'm out-- and believe me i travel every week but at a college here so i'm always within the bubble. >> rose: how has your resolution taken place on the question of donald trump? what was it, what was the interim and are you now? you have been very strong. >> i didn't take him seriously for the longest time. i knew there was a colegs of the dispossessed in the country but i didn't think they would turn their dispossession to him

because i don't think he answers any of their problems. >> rose: but do you know why they think he does? >> yeah -- >> i think that's almost a more crucial point. >> right, so, that's correct. i think there are a couple of things going on here. one, they're attracted by revolution in manners rather than revolutions in policy, and he has revolutionized the manner of how you run for president. >> rose: when does that mean, "the manners of how you run for president?" >> in the first debate he had already insulted carly fiorinaa's face. and rand paul he said i'm not going to insult his face put there's plept tow work with over there. that was a way of talking that nobody who ran for president. >> rose: in terms of jeb bush, the low energy-- >> he took the style of professional wrestling, and he brought it to politics. and what he did and i think the most ejeej grooejous thing we have seen in the last week or two, he's offered us a different

and uglier form of masculinity, which a lot of people are apparently drawn by and a lot of women are repulsed by in his public persona and the way he addresses politics. there is no love this. there is win or lose, a winner or a loser, conquered or conqueror. and so it's a pure commercial enterprise. and it's purely competitive. there's, weirdly, no reciprocity there. and that's why everyone who signs on to be a supporter of him looks smaller. >> rose: bob wright stepped down as president and ec.e.o. of nbc in 2004. but that same year, his success was soon overshadowed by a personal crisis, his two-year-old grandson was diagnosed with autism. it was the beginning of wright's

work as an advocate for autism research. >> it was about this time of the year, right in had kindy semicold, and he-- he had-- he was losing all of his identity over a period of six months, as if people were coming in at night and steal ago they were stealing his vocabulary. they were stealing higz dexterity. they were taking his health away. and we watched this whole thing happen. >> rose: what can you know about autism at that time? >> almost nothing. we had been look at different potential issues and autism came up on the list. >> rose: when you say "we," i assume you and your wife and your daughter. >> and her husband. and the doctors, we had some pediatricians and so forth. the group she was with were in complete denial. the pediatric group was in denial. they said this was just a function of him having some bad breaks and then they finally stepped out because they knew this was a disaster. >> rose: this was not going to change. >> not going to change. so we ended up, you know, too

out on our own, sort of. and we couldn't believe it. we went out to see different groups. we met with people. everything was very depressing. people were-- money was a huge issue. there was no insurance, there was no coverage. parents were having to-- one was having to quit work to take care of the child. they were living off credit cards. we bumped into bernie marcus -- >> the founder of heme depot. >> he called me up and said i need to talk to you. you're going around talking to people i understand. let me tell you my story. he said i put a lot of money into this. it's been a number of years, and quite frankly, i failed in my expectations and the reason is there's no awareness of this. i can't build awareness at the medical level. i can't build it at the political level. at the hospital level. maybe you guys, if you're going to want to do something, i'll support you. i'll be a major financial supporter if you want to take this challenge on. >> rose: were these all people that had a connection to autism?

>> yes. that was our core, and that took-- but i said this is going to be run like a business. we're not-- this isn't going to be run off-- i want audited financials from day one. i want to be registered in every state. i want to be registered as an entity that can raise money and that can operate and be licensed in every state. anyplace there are restrictions, we need to follow their law. >> rose: and what was the goal? >> the goal was to create a huge amount of national awareness about autism, and its significance, and also to enter some reall really major sciencel so 11 years later. >> 11 years later, we've done both of those things. one of the-- we certainly have-- the awareness, if we were a product, proctor & gamble would love it. we went from very, very little awareness to significant

awareness, especially among men and women of child-rearing age, which is the critical crowd here. and this last thing we did before i stepped down as the c.e.o. last year was to-- and we're still well in it-- is to have this arrangement we have with a group in canada, plus google and-- i mean, plus google and ourselves for missing. we do not have the scientific foundations to do the genetic research that we needed to do. we will now have that. glp david paine is the author of five critically acclaimed novels. his latest book is a memoir. it is callerred "barefoot to avalon." it is an uncompromising account of payne's troubled relationships with his father,

his younger brother george, and the story taff brother's tragic death. >> well, my brother, it was such a poignant and difficult story. the end of his life, he had bipolar 1 disorder, and he had lived at home with our mother for nine years. he and i had become estranged. there was difficulty in the family. my life was under pressure in terms of my career. and i needed help moving home from vermont to north carolina. and after all of these years of estrangement, he came to vermont and during the move, he died on the highway in an accident helping me move. >> rose: you saw it in the rearview mirror. >> i saw it in the rearview mirror. >> rose: the book begins a coup of caiz before that. >> right. >> rose: what is it you're telling us? are you telling use because it's not just his story.

it's your story. it's the story of a southern family. it's the story of memories. it's the story of coming to grips with flaws, dreams. >> it's about how i think-- it's about how we lost each other as a family. it's about how the-- a long history of mental illness and alcoholism and all sorts of difficulties played through multiple generations of our family. and finally, at this-- in this-- if this last moment, we were able to reconcile and have this-- these eight days that my brother and i had together before-- before i lost him. >> rose: what ipformed you when you set off on this journey to write this book? i mean, you had written five novels. you clearly were a student of literature. you wanted to be a poet in the beginning. you turned to novels. >> i think that each one of my

books had felt as if it moved closer and closer from fiction toward the boundary line of nonfiction. and each one got closer and closer to the truth of my life and my family. and i realized that what i was trying to get at was who am i? who is my family? who are my people? who do i come from? how did we come to be who we are? how did i come to be the person that i am? >> rose: can you answer all those questions? >> i asked them. i can't say they answered all of them, but i answered them as-- as many of them as i could. and i think that in order to answer them, i had to be honest in a different way than i had been in fiction. >> rose: because of what is it because that's a writer's responsibility? >> because i think what a writer is supposed to do is to ask why-- what is the human

condition? and what is the deepest account we can give of our presence here? not to lie about it and to whitewash it, but to write about the darkness and the difficulty and the conflict and the competition as well. >> rose: professional golf is making its annual pilgrimage to augusta, georgia, this coming week. the 2016 master's tournament gets under way on thursday. 22-year-old jordan spieth will be back to defend his title. we talked recently at new york's chelsea piers. >> as a kid growing up, it's my favorite tournament in the world. as a professional, it's my favorite tournament in the world. nothing's changed. you know, i came close in my first attempt in 2014, and then last year, i got off to just a

hot start and we were able to hold it together. it was really, really incredible. and it's tough to explain because you just-- you don't get a chance to enjoy it while it's happening. like, maybe your family does or your friends who are watching because you just have to stay so focused. but certainly afterwards, the impact it's had on my-- on me personally for my golf, and then the impact it's had on golf aldience and a non-golf audience is incredible. >> rose: in 2014, when bubba beat you, did you walk away, "i'm going to win next time?" >> a lot was going through my head tt. i remember that. i remember thinking should i be upset about the way this happened or should i take positives away from this given it was my first trip? i was 20 at the time. and maybe didn't expect to be of to beat a former masters champion on that stage. but, no, i don't think i was saying, "get me back. i want to win it." i was saying give me another opportunity in a major. i want to test what i've learned

from this experience. >> rose: what is it about the course itself? >> it's so well designed. every time you play it, you seem to learn something more about it that you appreciate, whether it's different angles and different pins. even though you play the same 18 holes, it seems like you play a different golf hole every time you play it based on the where the pin is. the greens are so undulating and you have to play a lot of different shots and have an imagination on a course that looks like american-style golf course can sometimes play like something over in great britain. >> rose: 2015 had to be as good a year as you imagine having. >> we came into the british open, the open championship, and had a chance to win there and just fell short. that was really a tough loss, and it proved to me that no matter how many times you get yourself into position, whether a major or regular tournament, there are anything to be some breaks that go your way and sometimes it's just not going

to. that's why it's so difficult to win a major, let alone a couple in a year and a grand slam. that's just-- it's-- it's tough to imagine that-- the break goes your way those exact weeks of the year and you have your-- you're on the top of your game. >> rose: "eye in the sky "is a war movie unlike any you have ever seen. it is a high-tech thriller centered on a secret drone operation targeting al shabaab terrorists in africa. when the mission turns lethal, all involve read forced to confront the legal, moral, and ethical complexities of modern warfare. helen mirren stars as a british colonel in command. >> in war, innocents are always killed. there is always collateral damage. >> rose: you can form all kinds of questions. >> you think of the bombings of

hiroshima, of cologne, dresden, the bombings of london and coventry. >> rose: leningrad. >> leningrad, the siege of leningrad. so endless, endless history, the whole history of warfare in-- on the human planet has been one of innocent people dying basically. >> rose: i have been told by national security officials in the united states of where was a certain person and had they had him in their sights and they y didn't you kill him?and i said d they said because family was there. >> yes. >> rose: and then they said, though, depending on the level of power of the person, they would be prepared under certain circumstances to order a hit because it was so important. >> yes. >> rose: to stop. >> and that is the situation we have in this film. un, we're not saying every single drone strike would take this shape. but in a-- a drone strike that we are showing in the movie,

would absolutely take the shape. >> rose: if you kill this man you are clearly going to be saving lives because he can order all kinds of assassinations and terrorist acts? >> well, more, in the case of our movie, it's those suicide bombers, who are going off to bomb a shopping mall. so either they kill them here, or if they get out, and now they'reute in the public, now they cannot target them, then they're going to go and set off a bomb and kill far more people. so that's the issue basically in the film. >> rose: do you know what decision helen mirren would make? >> do you know, i don't. >> rose: you really don't? >> i really don't. and i think-- and i think very few of us do. i mean, i hope it's a discussion that people will have when they leave the movie. it's very-- i think of the movie almost like a court room drama except the audience are the jury, and we have set the arguments up for the jury, and they will leave the cinema, and they will discuss it.

but i think it's an almost-unanswerable question. but it is a question that we ask our military to make for us. >> rose: here is a looky at the week ahead. sunday is opening day for major league baseball's 2016 season. monday is the championship game of the ncaa men's basketball tournament. tuesday is the wisconsin presidential primary. wednesday is the first day of the annual women in the world summit in new york city. thursday is the opening round of the masters golf tournament in augusta, georgia. friday is the induction ceremony for the rock 'n' roll hawvment at new york's barkley center. saturday is the wyoming democratic caucus. and here is what's new for your weekend. helen mirren, alan paul, and

alan rick man are in theaters in "eye in the sky." >> rose: don cheatle directs and stars as miles davis in the biographical "miles ahead." >> it's all about improvisation. >> rose: and the 51st annual country music awards are broadcast sunday on cbs. ♪ ♪ when you fall apart this ain't my mother's broken heart ♪ >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. but before we go, we note the passing of dame zaha hadid, the british architect was 65. she was known as the queen of the curve. her projects can be found in citiecities from soul to cincin. she was the first woman and muslim to win the prestigious

pritzica prize for architecture. we leave you this week with zaha hadid at the table. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time. >> it's very important because without that optimism, it's-- it brings you down and you don't really move on. and i think that was very important. >> rose: when they call you an architect of the future what, do they mean? >> it means it's a surprise. no, i think it's an unknown. you know, i mean, every time we do a project, it's unknown. there is no formula. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:

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