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station from viewers like you. thank you. >> ifill: it's been another big day on the presidential calendar, and for the candidates, it's another tense night of watching returns. the people of wisconsin had their say today in the race for the two parties' nominations. democrats are awarding 96 delegates. republicans, 42. we'll hear from john yang, reporting from milwaukee, after the news summary. in the day's other news, the so- called "panama papers" leak claimed its first major casualty. iceland's prime minister resigned after revelations that he sheltered huge sums offshore during an economic crisis. thousands of icelanders protested yesterday, after the news came out in millions of leaked documents. they detail tax avoidance schemes by world leaders and others.
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in washington, president obama pointed to the "panama papers" revelations as he touted new rules that target tax inversions. that's when u.s. companies shift ownership of their interests overseas, on paper, at least, to take advantage of lower tax rates. at the white house today, mr. obama called inversions one of the "most insidious" corporate practices. >> when companies exploit loopholes like this, it makes it harder to invest in the things that are going to keep america's economy going strong for future generations. it sticks the rest of us with the tab. and it makes hardworking americans feel like the deck is stacked against them. >> ifill: mr. obama acknowledged the loophole is legal, but he said, "that's exactly the problem," and he urged congress to close it for good. in south africa, parliament voted down an attempt today to impeach president jacob zuma. his african national congress and the main opposition, engaged
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in fierce debate, but in the end, the impeachment motion was defeated, 233 to 143. zuma got into trouble for using $16 million in state funds to renovate his home. last week, south africa's top court ruled he'd ignored a court order to repay part of the money. the government of greece has temporarily halted deportations of migrants to turkey, after just one day. the european union plan hit a snag when 4,000 potential deportees applied for asylum. meanwhile, migrants protested at a holding center on the greek island of lesbos. they and others condemned the return deal. >> ( translated ): i don't want to go back to turkey. we prefer to die. i don't want to go to turkey. there are problems there, what should we do, die in pakistan? it's better that we die here, so that greece understands what's going on. >> ifill: also today, greece announced that pope francis and
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ecumenical patriarch bartholomew, leader of the world's orthodox christians, will visit lesbos next week. back in this country, the governor of mississippi signed a bill that lets businesses refuse to serve gays and lesbians, on religious grounds. similar bills have been vetoed in georgia and south dakota. and in north carolina, a new law that limits bathroom options for transgender people prompted paypal today to cancel expansion plans in the state. and wall street had a bad day after the head of the international monetary fund warned the global recovery is still "too slow." the dow jones industrial average lost 133 points to close at 17,603. the nasdaq fell nearly 48 points, and the s&p 500 dropped 21. still to come on the newshour: what's at stake in today's wisconsin primary. republican senators break ranks to meet with the supreme court nominee. protecting student privacy in the age of big data, and much more.
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>> ifill: tonight, wisconsin is the center of the political universe, with presidential primaries that further define this 2016 race. republican frontrunner donald trump, who has been trailing in recent statewide polls, lashed out again today at his closest rival, texas senator ted cruz. >> well, ted cruz can't win. there's no way he can get the delegates. everybody has said that. all of your friends and everyone i've watched have said that it's impossible, almost impossible, for ted cruz to win. he would have to get it at the convention, which i think would be highly unlikely. so he can't win. we can win fairly easily, if we won wisconsin, that would be a big help. >> ifill: both cruz and ohio governor john kasich spent the day off the campaign trail.
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democrats face a tight race in the badger state as well, with bernie sander favored to win. both he and hillary clinton spent the day away from wisconsin. clinton spent the day in new york, which holds its primary in two weeks. she talked about her drawn out battle with sanders on "the view." >> you have to look at the broader perspective. we've won some, he's won some. but i have 2.5 million more votes than he does. and i have a very significant lead in delegates, which is what eventually decides who the nominee is. >> ifill: sanders is scheduled to rally supporters in wyoming later tonight. for more on primary day in wisconsin, john yang joins us now from a milwaukee polling site. hi, john. so what's election day look like in milwaukee? >> well, gwen, is looks a lot like this in milwaukee and across the state. this is the municipal building in downtown milwaukee.
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state election officials all across the state reporting heavy turnout, long lines, nothing-- no problems, they say. but they're projecting a turnout of 40%, which would be the highest since 1980, and they already say that projection may be too low. even before the day began, they had a lot of votes. 209,000 absentee and early in-person vote. that's more than twice the number of the 2012. so it's big turnout today. officials say no problems with the me voter i.d. law. anecdotal evidence on social media suggests that only a hand full of people have been turned away. the biggest problem people are talking about on social media-- finding parking near their polling place, gwen. >> ifill: well, the voter i.d. laws, the voter identification laws have not depressed turnout, what explains this incredible turnout? >> reporter: well, you've got a lot of interest in the
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presidential race. but, also, there is a hot supreme court race, state supreme court race statewide. that's driving a lot of the turnout. but i think the presidential race is the big draw here. but also in wisconsin, they have prided themselves for many years about voter participation and voter turnout, and also since 2010, when a party fracture kept a lot of democrats home and they got governor scott walker was eelected, the republicans took over the state legislature, the republicans took the senate seat as well. since then, you've had the recall votes of 2011, 2012. i think that voter turnout and voter participation is something that's become the norm here in wisconsin. >> ifill: well, you've had those recalls, those efforts to recall scott walker along the way, which, also, ginned up a lot of turnout. so we have seen, as you well know, the latest polls show ted cruz and bernie sanders doing--
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leading, not the front-runners in every place else, but these two leading in the final polls going into tonight. does that match with what you're seeing as well? >> reporter: that is. that's what the latest-- the last preelection polls were showing. and very unscientific talking to folks, we seem to be hearing a lot about that. now, what that does, if those things hold up, what will that do to the race? the way the delegates are allotted here in this race, even if donald trump does lose statewide, there are-- the republican delegates are allocated some statewide to the statewide winner, some winner take all in congressional districts. and given his support in the northern part of the state, it's possible that donald trump could walk away tonight with a handful of delegates, not a lot, but when he has that much lead, every little bit helps. on the democratic side, the delegates are apportioned
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proportionally. so if the race is as close as the preelection polls indicate, even if she loses, hillary hilly clinton's going to walk away with a good share of the delegates tonight. >> ifill: all of these candidates have already decamped to the next battleground, haven't they? >> reporter: actually, sanders was make something last-minute stops here this morning, trump as well. the only candidate who is going to be here tonight is ted cruz, which gives perhaps an indication of how he thinks he's going to do today. >> ifill: john yang for us tonight in milwaukee. thank you so much. >> ifill: you'll be able to find continuing, constantly updated political coverage including tonight's wisconsin primary results online. that's at pbs.org/newshour. >> ifill: supreme court nominee merrick garland made the rounds
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on capitol hill again today. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell remains determined not to hold confirmation hearings. some senate republicans, including judiciary committee chairman charles grassley, have announced a willlingness to meet the nominee, although he and senate majority leader say they will not schedule hearings or a vote. today judge garland did meet two republicans: senator john boozman of arkansas and senator susan collins of maine. she joins us now from capitol hill. senator collins, tell us about your meeting with the judge. >judge. >> it was an excellent meeting. we talked for over an hour about a range of issues that included his judicial philosophy, second amendment cases, the separation of powers, the executive over-reach. we were able to touch on a great many issues. >> ifill: did you conclude that he is qualified for at least a hearing, if not confirmation? >> i certainly believe that he
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is qualified for a hearing. he has been a distinguished jurist for 13 years on the d.c. circuit court, and i found his answers to demonstrate that he's thought deeply about the issues, that he's highly intelligent, and that he's a careful, meticulous judge. having said that, i would, of course, not make a final decision on his nomination until there were public hearings because it's that kind of in-depth vetting that gives you the information that you need. >> ifill: as you know, your colleague, senator mark kirk of illinois, last week also met with judge garland and came away and said that he felt that his colleagues who would not do that are closed minded. do you agree with him? >> no, i would not say that. although i would hope that more
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and more senators would find time in their schedules to sit down with judge garland. i believe that they would benefit from hearing from him firsthand, and i know that i did. >> ifill: you have said in other interviews that you are perplexed that senator mcconnell, that majority leader mcconnell is drawing such a firm line on this. tell me what you mean by that. >> well, gwen, this is a very unpredictable political year, and we have no idea who the next president is going to be. but if the next president is a democrat, it's certainly conceivable that she or he might choose a nominee who is far to judge garland's left. if the next president is donald trump, he's a very unpredictable person. who knows who his nominee would be? in this case, we have a nominee
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with 19 years of experience, and i believe that we should take the process a step at a time and doing the meeting today was the first step, and i think the next step should be hearings. >> ifill: did the white house reach out to you directly to ask you to meet with him? >> yes. >> ifill: and what did you say to them? >> i said i would be happy to meet with them. i would note that that is standard procedure with every supreme court nominee on whom i've ever voted, regardless of what administration it was, the white house asks you to sit down with the nominee, and i've always found that those one-on-one conversations give me a great insight into the nominee's views, integrity, intellect, fidelity to the constitution and respect for the rule of law. >> ifill: in your opinion, senator collins, is the opposition to judge garland
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rooted in principle, in policy, or in politics? >> i believe that the senate republican leader, mitch mcconnell, sincerely believes that the next president should choose the next justice on the supreme court. i don't happen to agree with him. as i look at the constitution, the president has the right, indeed the obligation, to appoint judicial nominees, to nominate people for the courts, including the highest court in the land. and after all, president obama is our president right now, and will be until january of next year. so we just have an honest disagreement about this issue. but i certainly respect and understand the contrary point of view. >> ifill: part of what senator mcconnell, point he made is why drag judge garland through what he called an unnecessary
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political ar routine if he's not going to be considered or confirmed? >> well, i don't think judge garland views it that way or he wouldn't have agreed to be nominated for this important post. and he did agree to be nominated. he is making the rounds on capitol hill. and one encouraging sign to me is before the congressional-- recent recess, there were only two of us on the republican side that were willing to sit down with judge garland one-on-one to meet with him, and now there are more than a dozen republican senators. i believe that's a positive step forward, and it is the way the normal process would work. i would also note that it is not unusual for supreme court nominees to be contentious. there have been democrats who have blocked republican nominees, including when president obama participated in a filibuster to try to block
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justice alito from being named to the court. so there have been political shenanigans on both sides of the aisle when it comes to the supreme court. i think it would be better if we depoliticized the process. >> ifill: "shenanigans" is such a good word. senator susan collins, republican of maine, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> ifill: stay with us, coming up on the newshour: racial bias in medical care. archaeologists return to a region of iraq threatened by isis. the women huskies of u-conn on track to make basketball history. and the harsh cycle of poverty told through the story of evictions. but first, school districts across the country are going high-tech, incorporating
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educational apps and digital programs into the classroom. but fears about the privacy and security of students' personal information are on the rise. special correspondent john tulenko of education week reports as a part of our tuesday night series, "making the grade." >> reporter: miami, florida is taking on one of public education's oldest problems: with so many students, how do you personalize instruction? one answer is with computers. at miami's i-prep academy one- size-fits-all lessons are a thing of the past. >> we all started at the very beginning, and then some just took off. >> reporter: nicole rasmuson teaches math, using innovative software. >> it's about 70% online and it's a smart program, and so it checks are they understanding, are they answering questions correctly right away? are they struggling? is it taking them a long time to answer questions? do they keep making mistakes?
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>> reporter: all the while, the computer is crunching and storing data about the students and sending back customized lessons. >> it'll ask them-- "what are your interests?" and so, in the word problems, it'll, if one kid's really interested in food, it'll talk about cookies and that kinda stuff. it'll even ask them, "what are your friends' names?" and then it'll put their friends' names in the problems, too. >> reporter: all that gets uploaded, along with student schedules, grades, discipline records, homework and even emails. the makings of what some have called a digital profile, that privacy expert joel reidenberg fears could someday be used in unauthorized ways. >> we're going to have a lot of data floating around, with a lot of very detailed information that can be quite surprising. one example: what a child eats in the school cafeteria is collected, using a student id card. we can envision a day for
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example that health insurance company wants to see what they ate when they were third graders, to decide how they were going to underwrite insurance. is it far fetched? it could be. we don't know. >> reporter: already students' data has been misused. google was recently sued for scanning students' email accounts in order to build advertising profiles. the tech giant has since stopped and pledged, along with 214 other companies, not to use student data for commercial purposes. but there are a whole lot more companies out there. >> i'm trying to protect my kids and there's so much data collection that's going on right now, that we-- we're not even aware of. >> reporter: suzette lopez is a graphic designer, who sends her children to miami public schools. >> it's these third party vendors that are-- what-- we're partnering with that we're bringing 'em in but then is-- how much oversight really is there with these partners? who's keeping an eye on that data? >> i think that's absolutely a legitimate concern. but i think responsible school
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systems that have the appropriate policies and safeguards-- quite frankly, reduce that threat. >> reporter: to protect personal data, miami superintendent alberto carvalho requires that teachers and students use a web portal. all the apps and software inside have been vetted, and the companies must sign contracts that prohibit any unauthorized or commercial use of students' information. these rules are strictly enforced. >> i can tell you the penalties that we apply in miami when-- private companies default on their contractual obligation, which is we bar them from future business with a school system. >> reporter: so far, the district says, the tech companies have stuck to the rules. but at iprep, teachers say they go outside the portal to use unregulated apps everyday. and they're not the only ones. i'd love to go around this little group and ask you to name some apps that you've downloaded on your school computer that are not part of the portal.
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>> i've downloaded oovoo, skype- - spotify, octagon. so just the basic stuff. >> i found, like, several very reach-arounds, to the school wi-fi and the different barriers they put up. they're pretty easy to go around. it's not the most comprehensive barriers in the world. >> isn't that the definition of true human ingenuity? and there is no gadget, no amount of technology-- that stands up to the ingenuity of a kid. that's where the social and behavior teaching come in. that is the most important thing we can do, is actually teach students responsible use, liabilities, but also the benefits of using this new technology in this new environment. >> reporter: even if students took those lessons to heart, their personal data, including names, addresses, and social security numbers can still be compromised. it happened in the case of pamela rhim-grant. >> pamela rhim-grant was a food services manager at the horace-- mann elementary school here in
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miami, and she was found to have been stealing student identities from the miami-dade public school computer system. >> reporter: in 2014, u.s. attorney frank maderal prosecuted rhim-grant for stealing social security numbers from 400 students and using them to file fraudulent tax returns. exactly what did she have to do, in order to walk away with a child's social security number? >> login, access the information, print it out. >> my son's social security was stolen. so he was stolen and-- and it took three years to clear up and three years to keep on telling the i.r.s. that my son-- was my son. >> reporter: lopez' family was victimized in 2008, well before the rhim-grant case but the effect was the same. >> i went to go file my taxes and i couldn't. i'm extremely protective and i'm very careful about stuff and for his number which is not readily used, was shocking. >> reporter: miami school officials say hackers on the outside have never successfully broken in and stolen student
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data. but the growing amount of sensitive information stored electronically has driven lawmakers in at least 15 states to restrict what companies can collect and mandate steps to protect it. that heightened security could put a damper on digital tools that personalize learning. in miami, florida, i'm john tulenko of "education week" reporting for the pbs newshour. >> ifill: a new study finds african-american patients are often treated differently when it comes to medicine and care. the survey of more than 500 people, 400 of them medical students, found implicit bias exists that may help explain why black people are sometimes under-treated for pain. among its findings: medical students believed that african- americans felt less pain than white patients, and even thought
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their skin was thicker. for more on this perplexing discovery, we turn to dr. david satin of the university of minnesota medical center, and dorothy roberts of the university of pennsylvania. thank you both for joining us. dr. satin, try to describe this disparity for me. why does this exist? and is it new? >> so, gwen, we've known that this has been an issue for at least a couple of decades. and every now and then, a study comes out that underscores the need for the field of medicine, and in particular medical education, to do some work and get it right. so this is a problem, and it's been a problem, and hopefully this study will spur on more activity. >> ifill: dorothy roberts, is this a medical problem or a sociological problem? >> it's both. i think what's really important and fascinating about the study is that for the first time, it links what we've long known as undertreatment of pain for black patients with doctors, or at
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least medical students' false beliefs about biological differences based on race. and those beliefs, as the study has shown, are held by lay people as well. they're deeply embedded, long-standing myths about racial difference, especially biological differences between races, which goes back to the very concept that race is a biological difference that is widespread in u.s. associate. so it's sociological as well as medical. >> ifill: dr. satin, i have to say that the thing that surprised me the most was that medical students would think this way as well as lay people. are they being taught this? is this something they bring with them? >> unfortunately, it's both. so medical students-- doctors are people, too. we live in society, and we're exposed to the same decade-after-decade experiences that determine our beliefs. however, one of the things one of the medical student pointed
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out to me this morning some of these false beliefs seem to peak in the second year of medical school as students prepare for the boards and have been memorizing these associations to answer on the board exams. >> ifill: this is a taught behavior, or action. this is a conscious stereotype, as well as a subconscious one. >> absolutely. it's deeply rooted and fundamental to the way medical education works in the united states. students are taught to notice the race of their patients, to treat their patients differently, because of race, and they're taught that that's because of fundamental biological differences between people of different races. so while this is in part based on myths and stereotypes that are widely held in u.s. society, it's also based on the way students are taught to treat patients in medical schools. it requires a radical change in
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medical education to address this, not only addressing implicit bias but also changing the way in which human beings are treated and differences are considered in medical education. >> ifill: david satin, there are actually, to be fair, race-- not specific exactly, conditions -- but medicines and conditions which are more likely to affect one raits or the other. >> those are controversial. we know that race is actually a socially constructed concept. it's not bile, nor is it genetic, as we learned from the human genome project. so while there are some associations, those are largely due to social effects-- how we're raised, often ethnicity plays a factor. but they are not biological effects. >> ifill: but environmental effects, perhaps? >> well, i think that's really important for medical students to understand, for their teachers to teach them is the
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difference between health outcomes, disparate health outcomes, and the idea that they're caused by innate biological difference, which is false, versus how racism does affect health based on social inequality, not because of innate biological or genetic differences between the races. and this study points out how dangerous it is to continue to teach medical students that race is a biological category that produces these differences in health, or experience of pain based on biological differences between the races. >> ifill: well, let me ask you both, this was not a huge study. this is 400, 500 people, but what is your thinking-- i'll start with you, david satin-- or what the consequences are of these beliefs and what should be done about it. >> so the consequences of the beliefs, we saw in the study, was part of what results in unequal treatment, part of what
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results in health disparities. there's certainly enough blame to go around for how those result, but it's a component. and what it teaches us is that we need to be proactive. i teach the medical students, look, it's not jur-- it's not your fault that you have these implicit biases. you grew up in society. we all have these. but now that you know it, it's your responsibility, and we have some interventions to try to reverse that. >> but it also requires a fundamental change in the way in which medical education works, moving away from teach, students that the races are different because of some kind of innate biological difference that then causes health disparities, and instead showing how racism and other structural inequities cause health disparities, and explore with students how medical practice can address those. >> ifill: dorothy roberts of the university of pennsylvania,
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and dr. david satin of the university of minnesota medical center, thank you very much. >> thank you, gwen. >> thank you for having me. >> ifill: when isis captured the ancient city of palmyra in syria last year, they destroyed and looted priceless pieces of middle eastern history. the city was retaken last week by syria's army, and as the extremists lose more ground in iraq, archaeologists are returning to endangered sites to re-secure the past. special correspondent jane ferguson reports from northern iraq. >> reporter: badly damaged, but still standing. surveying the harm done to palmyra, a drone flies above the ancient roman city. below, land mines slow the work of syrian experts, anxious to walk amongst these precious ruins again.
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when isis stormed into palmyra nearly a year ago, many feared the unesco world heritage site was lost forever. the group used it for grisly execution videos and blew up two of its temples. but much it is still intact, to the relief of syria's antiquities chief maamun abdelkarim: >> ( translated ): we expected the worst because of the liberation fighting but i think the nightmare is over. the panoramic picture of palmyra is fine. >> reporter: when they took the town, islamic state fighters also executed archaeologist khaled asaad, one of the country's top historical scholars, who had dedicated most of his life to preserving palmyra. the presence of isis and other warring groups across the middle east and north africa has seen international archaeologists abandon beloved historical sites, from libya to syria and iraq, fearful for their
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security. now, with isis losing some territory, there is hope they may return to a region that had become so risky. in northern iraq, a team from cambridge university is back to work, searching for signs of neanderthal life in shanidar cave. isis never took over this area, but came deep enough into northern iraq to cause them to delay their dig. professor graeme barker says the fighting across the region has upended much work in the field. >> it has affected a lot of teams because they can't get back to places. i worked before in libya in an area now that it's impossible to go to, so there is a great deal so it has had a huge impact in terms of access by foreign teams. >> reporter: he and his team were not surprised to hear that isis was destroying historical artifacts on their rampage across the region.
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anything to do with heritage because heritage is who we are. we very much-- we may not think about it explicitly-- but we are very much rooted in our past and archaeology is a highly political subject which therefore comes back to why it's really important that these kind of projects continue. >> reporter: this dig was originally meant to take place in 2014. but it had to be delayed because isis came in and took over mosul city which is about 150 miles away from here. that year, say these archaeologists, was a write-off for that sort of work here. but since then they've come back twice, saying that the security is sufficient for them to continue their work. but for archaeologists across the middle east security is now a major concern with the rise of isis and other armed groups targeting historical sights. mosul was taken over by the islamic state in 2014. the city and it's surrounding areas are rich in antiquities and historical sites. in nearby erbil, ancient pieces
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from mosul rest in the museum, beyond the reach of the islamic state. dr. abdullah khorsheed, who leads the iraq institute for the conservation of antiquities and heritage, is all too aware of the damage that has already been done. >> ( translated ): we have very strong evidence of the damage because we are still in communication with the officials who have been working there in mosul and because of the images and the videos being published throughout social media. we are sure that most of these archaeological sites have been destroyed by isis. on a daily basis we hear that isis is trying to destroy many such areas. >> reporter: for archaeologists like him, they have mixed feelings about an imminent military campaign to re-take mosul. getting isis out of it's historical sites may mean damaging them in the process. >> when we talk about a war, it means entire cities will be devastated and destroyed.
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this is what wars usually bring. and certainly when we try to push isis from mosul and use aerial attacks those sites will be damaged again. >> reporter: one ancient gem the islamic state did not manage to capture sits in the heart of northern iraq's kurdistan. it remains one of the very few postcard images of the middle east still open to historians. the citadel in erbil is the only unesco world heritage site in all of syria and iraq not on the danger list, and yet, when isis pushed into iraq in 2014 they came within 30 miles of it, threatening one of the very last cultural treasures in the country. archaeologists from around the world have flocked to the middle east for centuries to study and preserve evidence of humanity's past. now, after watching so much destruction, they will be needed to help piece it back together again.
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for the pbs newshour, i'm jane ferguson in northern iraq. >> ifill: now to an instant sports classic, and college basketball history, possibly on two straight nights. william branhgam is here with the latest on the n.c.a.a. championships, starting with last night's amazing men's title game. >> brangham: this had been a close game throughout the night. the north carolina tar heels in white were trailing villanova by three points with just seconds left when the ball ends up in marcus page's hands. >> they're going to have to do something from the outside now. it's page off balance! impossible! how did he do that? >> with 4.7 seconds to go. >> brangham: with just a little
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more than four seconds to go, everyone thought it was headed for overtime. but then this. >> three seconds at midcourt. gives it to jenkins for the championship. villanova, the national championships, with jenkins hitting the winner at the buzzer. >> brangham: it was the first time a team hit a three-pointer at the buzzer to win the men's title. and more history could be made tonight. the university of connecticut women's team is going for its eleventh title, and its fourth in a row when they play syracuse. to help us catch our breath and appreciate all of this, we turn to sportswriters john feinstein of the "washington post" and numerous books. he joins us from augusta georgia where he's covering the masters for the golf channel. and, mechelle voepel of espn. so, john feinstein, i'd like to start with you, last night, it's tough to beat a game like that for excitement and adrenaline. is that the best n.c.a.a. final you've ever seen? >> i've seen 38 of them, william, and none like that one
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because no one did anything wrong in that climactic final minute. villanova made all four of their three-throws. carolina made an extraordinary three-pointer by marcus page to climax their 10-point comeback and villanova at a moment when you would have thought they might panic not only got a winning shot off but their point guard with the wherewith, all to realize, he had time, even with under two seconds on the clock, to pass the ball to his best shooter, kris jenkins who naildz the three-pointer at the buzzer. i've never seen anything quite like it. i'm not sure we'll see anything like it again. it was extraordinary. >> this goes down as instant classic in your mind. >> instant classic. i think people tend to overstate things because we believe the last thing we saw was the best thing we saw. this one was extraordinary. these were clearly the two best teams. they had rolled over all their opponents to get to the finals, including saturday night in the semis, when villanova beat
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oklahoma, and neither could dominate the other. it ended the way it should-- with one team making a shot at the buzzer after another team had made a remarkab play just to tight game. >> i'm curious, when you saw marcus page hit that clbl three-pointer, did you think that was going to overtime? >> i did. i honestly did. and the reason i thought it was because villanova had to be deflated at that moment. they'd lost a 10-point lead. they hadn't done anything wrong, and yet the game was tied. they defended very well on that play where page hit that shot that you're referring to, and it's to jay wright's credit and the credit of a very experienced team that in that huddle they were able to get their act together and run a play-- it's called nova-- that they run in practice every day at the end of practice, and they acted as if they were in an empty gym, rather than in a football stadium with 75,000 people there and millions watching on tv. incredible calm under pressure. >> all right, mechelle voepel, let's turn to tonight.
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obviously, incredible game last night, and another potential piece of history happening tonight. of course, no one thinks that tonight's game is going to go down to the buzzer. i mean, we've got university of connecticut just on an unbelievable roll, such a long winning streak. they're hoping to really rack up an incredible number of titles if they win tonight. how do you explain their dominance in the women's game? >> they've got an incredible coach, somebody who has really been ahead of the game for so many years now. and he's got great continuity and staff. his top assistant, chris daily has been with him since they took over the program at connecticut back in 1985. and they were able to get not all the best players in the country, but the best players that they want, and players who want to be coached, players who are good when they come there but know they can be great when they leave and that's been a big recipe for success for them. >> everyone does talk about, as you dthe influence of their coach. what is he doing? what's the special sauce there.
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>> he is a great "x"s and "o"s basketball genius. if you talk to the professional players who 21 u-conn or even the professional players who played for him on the u.s. national team-- he'll be coaching in the olympics for the second time later this year-- they talk about how he really was ahead of the game even 10, 20 years ago, in understanding how to teach, read, and react offense, how to get his players to play at a pace that put other teams on their heels fra the very beginning of the game. he really is a basketball genius. and what he's done with the media has been incredible, too. he's given an enormous amount of time to the media, and he's a funny guy. sometimes he's a very outspoken guy, sometimes a controversial guy, but he's bane terrific spokesman for women's sports and women's basketball specifically. >> university of connecticut's dominance, has it been a good thing for women's basketball or a bad thing? i mean, i've heard it argued both ways. what is your take on that? >> i never see how excellence is
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a bad thing. and the comparison that a lot of us have made for years is what u.c.l.a. did and john wooden can for men's basketball, at one point winning seven titles in a row. u-conn's women tonight are going to be going for four titles in a row. they've raced the bars, in every sport you have, individuals and teams that raise the bar that everybody else has to try on match and beat them. i understand some people look at some of their games and say it's boring because they beat the other team by so much. but when you actually watch them play, what isn't boring is just how well they play basketball, and i think that's something for everybody who is trying to chase them to aspire to. >> john feinstein, what do you make of that? >> well, i think dynasties are good for any anysport because they bring people to that sport who might not normally be paying attention. you can't not notice what the u-conn women have atained. you couldn't not notice what tiger woods did in golf when he was dominating the sport.
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you can't not notice what ucla did when they won 10 titles in 12 years. i think it's good for sports when you have a dynasty because it does raise the level of interest in the sport. the other thing that u-conn has going for tunlike in the men's game, the women stay for four years. so you have a better possibility to with have a dynasty because the stars stay. they don't turn pro after a year or two. >> all right, we'll be watching tonight. john feinstein, mechelle voepel, thank you both very much for being here. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. >> ifill: now, a look at the cascading effect of poverty on housing in america. jeffrey brown has that in this latest addition to the newshour bookshelf. >> brown: every year in this country families are evicted from their homes not by tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, but by the millions. that from a new book that explores a huge but little
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discussed phenomenon in america today. "evicted: poverty and profit in the american city," follows the lives of eight milwaukee families black and white. author matthew desmond lived among them in 2008 to 2009. he's a sociologist, a professor at harvard and a winner of a macarthur fellowship last year. welcome to you. >> thank you. >> brown: that eviction is far more prevalent than most people think and far less part of the discussion around poverty in this country. why do you think that's the case? >> i think we focus a lot on jobs. we focus a lot on mass incarcerations, welfare reform. but housing has been left out of the debate a little bit. we focus on public housing and we focus on neighborhoods, but the private rental market where a vast majority of low income families are living has been largely overlooked. but here is this market, that's taking most of what low income families are making. there's a-- >> brown: an incredible amount, percentage of income. i mean, that's really striking. >> yes. >> brown: 70, 80, 90%. >> yeah, that's what i saw when i was living with families in
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milwaukee. and we reached a point today that we know that the majority of low income renters are paying most of what they have on rent and to keep the lights on. >> brown: i said you followed eight families. pick one person to explain just how people fall into this and how hard it is to get out of it. >> yeah, yeah. i'm thinking of arlene. you know, arlene was a single mom. she had two young boys and when i met her, she was living in a pretty rundown apartment in a low income neighborhood and giving 88% of her income on rent. she was facing terrible choices. you know, should i buy food or pay the rent? should i contribute some money to the funeral or pay the rent? and someone like arlene, eviction isn't necessarily the result of irresponsibility; it's more inevitable. brown: they're making some bad, poor choices, but you're showing how it's kind of almost a vicious cycle, right? of the eviction playing into those choices. >> yeah, i think that when you're someone like arlene that's paying almost everything you have to the landlord, a very small divergence can invite eviction. there's a story that the book opens with her 14-year-old
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hitting her car with a snowball, you know, and the man jumping out and kicking in the door, that causing the landlord to evict the family. was that a bad choice? eviction isn't just a condition of poverty, it's also a cause of it, it's making things worse. >> brown: you show the rawness of what an eviction. i mean, you capture what it looks like. describe that. i mean, take an example of what perhaps struck you even the first time you actually saw what that's like, when you see everything thrown out of the house. >> i remember seeing arlene get evicted in early january. it was the coldest day on record in milwaukee. you know, the weathermen said it would be 40 degrees below with the wind chill. and seeing, you know, a family's things piled on a curb, seeing children forced from their homes, seeing the things taken to movers and put in bondage storage and often kind of taken to the dump when families can't keep up with those payments-- it's a violent act, eviction. it can leave a deep mark. and we know it leaves a mark on families that experience it. >> brown: it leaves a mark in
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terms of obviously their budget, but a psychological mark is what you're really documenting. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. it affects your spirit. we know that mothers who are evicted two years later have higher rates of depression. we know that suicides attributed to evictions or foreclosures doubled between 2005 and 2010. so eviction not only causes you to lose your home and your things and your community, but also has deep effects on the way you see yourself and your mental health. >> brown: you also got a couple of landlords to talk to you and let you follow them around. >> i thought that was crucial. i thought if i really wanted to understand how housing is causing poverty in america i needed to get landlords' perspectives. i didn't understand why they evicted me but not you, needed to understand what makes them tick. but there is a business model at the bottom of the market and one thing that i found that surprised me was that landlords that operating in very poor neighborhoods can make a decent profit. an extreme profit in some cases.
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>> brown: i mean, it can be beneficial to them to evict somebody, bring somebody else in, not put much into the actual rental property. >> that' right. and for some landlords, some eviction is costly and does take some money, but for others, that's part of the business model, you know? and the short answer to that is it's more efficient to evict a family than to keep up payments or to keep up maintenance on your property. and you can do that because families are so strapped-- they're giving so much of their income to rent, that if they call a building inspector or report a housing problem, then they can evict that family. not that retaliatory evictions are legal, but because at any time you can evict a family who are behind. >> but you also write about your own experience of doing this. embedding yourself. trying to see how they live, almost trying to live as they live. i mean, did you feel satisfied in the end with what you were able to do? because you also write in the afterword about how heartbreaking a lot of this was to see and the even personal toll it took on you.
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>> yeah. i mean, i learned a lot. i learned so much and i think i learned not only about pain and denial about basic human needs, but i also learned about humor and strength and courage in the face of massive adversity. and it did have an effect on my life, personally, but i think the stories that i write about also buoyed me, you know? and left me with a deep sense of thankfulness. and just an impression that the people i met in milwaukee refused to be reduced to their hardships. they're so much more than that. but, the extent of poverties in our cities today is reducing people born for better things. >> brown: let me ask you finally about what should be done. you do at the end advocate for few things including creating a kind of universal housing voucher right? for people under a certain income. what is the single most important thing you'd like to see happen? >> i think we as a nation need to figure out do we believe that housing is a right in this country? and i think we should answer yes because without stable, decent housing, everything else falls apart.
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and i think taking this program that's already working, housing vouchers: so instead of paying 88% of your income to rent, arlene would only pay 30% of her income and she can take that voucher anywhere she wants as long as her housing wasn't too expensive or too shoddy. that would fundamentally change the face of poverty in america today. we can make evictions rare again and decrease family homelessness, but only if we as a country kind of accept as a country that housing is central to human flourishing and economic mobility. >> brown: all right. the book is "evicted: poverty and profit in the american city." matthew desmond, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> ifill: and now for our newshour shares, something that caught our eye that we thought might be of interest to you too. forget the wine and cheese you might normally get at an art gallery, if you'd like to see one of the newest exhibits in florida, you're going to need a wet suit. visitors taking the plunge at the florida keys national marine
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sanctuary can now view an underwater gallery mounted on the world's second-largest artificial reef. scuba divers over the weekend hung 12 'photo illustrations' on the u.s.n.s. vandenberg, a world war two-era ship intentionally sunk off key west in 2009. the baroque-style works, by austrian art photographer andreas franke, are encased in plexiglas and silicone-sealed steel frames to prevent water from getting in. recreational divers willing to make the 90-foot journey below the surface can enjoy the artwork until early august. on the newshour online, teachers whose racial, cultural and socioeconomic backgrounds differ from their students often face unique challenges in the classroom. columbia university's chris emdin offers tools teachers can incorporate in their lesson plans. and he'll join us at 7:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow for a twitter chat to answer your questions. find out how to participate, on
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