>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, donald trump clears the republican presidential field. new developments in the fight against isis. and the tony nom-inated musical hamilton. >> it's towards the end, the fast section, ♪ this is the differ, this kid is out." it's very, like, west coast kendrick lammar, very sort of the stuff that i i live with right now, and that we were all listening to in the basement anyway. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie

rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> big personality. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> the idea of flux and change. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> i feel like i'll know when i know. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week donald trump became the presumptive nominee of the republican party. navy seals charlie keating was killed during a battle with isis forces in iraq. and leicester city beat 5,000 to one odds to win the premiere league soccer title for the first time in 132 years. here are the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> the u.s. navy seal killed in iraq identified as 31-year-old charlie keating iv. >> everyone here at the white

house, include the first family, extends our condolences. >> parntsz in detroit could be scrambling for a stkd day after the union leaders called for the schools to be closed again. >> nobody should be asked to work and not get paid. >> the two last ones they're hanging by their fintertips. they're choke ago don't let me fall! don't let me fall!" >> we left it all on the field in indiana. we gave it everything we've got, but the voters chose another path. >> rose: obama takes on trump at the corresponds' dinner. >> and truch is here. and donald trump is here. still. >> are you ready for donald trump? i mean, he's unlike any other candidate? >> i think he is a loose cannon, and loose cannons tend to misfire. >> may day turned viewnt. >> obama visited flint, y addrs the city's water crisis. >> the president taking a sip out of a glass filled with flint's drinky water. >> i really did need a glass of

water. this is not a stunt. >> the new champions of the premiere league. >> one of the incredible sporpting acheevmentz of all time. >> a u.s. cruise ship is sailing into cuba for the first time in decades. >> we're pulling into the port of havana ♪ up in the morning and out to school ♪ >> malia obama is harvard bound. he will go in the fall of 2017. >> the turkish parliament turns into a boxing match. politicians from two parties trading blows. ♪ i'm too sexy for my shirt >> the oscars of the fashion world. it's the annual, colorful, outrageous met gala in new york. >> people are wearing dresses that are 19 feet behind their asystem systems ♪ i'm a mold you know what i mean ♪ and i do my little turn on the catwalk ♪ >> rose: we turn to politics and runaway victory in the indiana presidential primary leaving donald trump as the last

man standing in the race for the republican nomination. here with that is maggie haberman of the "new york times," and cnn. paul ryan said, "i think what a lot of republicans want to see is we have a standard barrier that bears our standard," saying he cannot at this time support donald trump. implications? >> it's an astonishing moment. you have the highest ranking elected republican saying he cannot support the party -- >> and the man who runs the convention. >> and the man who runs the convention and the man who many thought of as the future for their party and tried to craft the agenda for the party saying, "i can't support the person currently doing that." you can look at that in three ways. it is the biggest, most neon example of the party's split what we have seen so far and the reaction to donald trump and the fallout. it is a reminder of how much work donald trump is going to have to do to hold the republicans together for the fall. it's going to be very hard. and it is, if we are being honest, an effort, i think, by

paul ryan to look toward the future of the party, both for the party and himself. >> rose: for himself. here you have the republican party, the trump wing of the republican party, whatever that is. you still have the tea party as part of the republican party, and some caucuses in congress that represent the the tea party. you have what might be considered moderate to conservative. that would be paul ryan. what's going to happen? if trump loses badly, is the party going to be something different? are people going to want to go away and form a new party? >> that's very much what they're wrestling with right now and i don't think we're going to know the answer to that for some time. you saw bill crystal, the editor of "the weekly standard" saying pport donald trump.ll not i'm not for hillary clinton, but i'm not for donald trump and i am looking at what comes next in terms of conservatism. >> rose: is anything going to prevent this from being a race to the bottom? >> no, absolutely nothing.

we're already well on our way toward that marathon. 2012 -- >> sadly i say, because this country needs a very smart campaign looking at the future and all those issues that have prevented america -- >> it's not what we're going to see. 2012 was a real slash-and-urn tactical maneuvering knife fight between president obama and mitt romney's campaign. this campaign is probably -- >> it was the president tefining-- >> and defining very early on. this one i think will make that one look like a high-minded debate of ideas. >> rose: a navy seal was killed in iraq this week during a battle between isis fighters and kurdish forces, and defense secretary ash carter warned even though they are trying to avoid direct combat, america and its allies risk more losses in the battle to defeat the jihadists.

ambassador brett mcquirk is the state department special envoy in the coalition against isis. >> rose: we lost a navy seal this week. >> terribly sad. and these guys, i've gotten to know a lot of them, our special forces, and, of course, all of our men and women serving in iraq. >> rose: how many do we have, three now? >> it's a little over fowfer,000 now. the special forces group-- the people we call doing advice and assist mission. let me talk about how critical what this young navy seal was doing and his comrades. what they do to advise and assist operations against isil has really been a bit of a game changer. so when ramadi fell in may about a year ago, very daunting time. we met in the national security-- met with the national security team in the situation room. the president was presented with a very good plan from general austin and the department of defendant to set up an advise

and assist facility just east of ramadi, small teams of special forces going to takitimir, base, help them get back on their feet and ultimately retake ramadi. at the time it looked like a very daunting challenge, and the navy seals took up that mission. in northern iraq, in the kurdistan region, we have special forces doing the advise and assist mission with the peive marrying and from time to time they're going out and doing direct action rates against isil targets and they've been extremely effect glif we have been taking out in a specific way, a level of isil leadership. >> about every three days we're taking out a significant leader, not just our forces but the coalition air power, iraqi counter-terrorism sempses and also the syrian forces, some of the syrian kurdish forces we work with in particular. but i'll give you an example of

the effectiveness and why we have to do this. about a year ago now, look, we know more about isil now than we could have imagined two years ago. and we know that because of this painstaking intelligence work we've done. but that comes by the real heroism of our people who are out there and it's important for the american people to know what they're doing out there. about a year ago, we identified a deputy of al-baghdadi, abu saif, the financier of isil. he knew where everything was. and so you could either target him from the air or you can go and try to capture him. >> rose: and you did the latter. >> and he was deep inside syria in a town we have since taken back from isil. back then it was kind of a heartland of isil our special forces went into the heart of the town, abu sarks if reswriftd. he was killed. but the amount of information they took off that site was

more, i've been told from our guys, was more than almost any operation in the history of the special forces. >> rose: it was one of the greatest upsets in sports history. leicester city won the premiere league in so, or as they call it, football. here to tell bus it tommy smyth, john mcelweith, and roger bennett how big an upset is the season that football team, as they say, is having? how big is it to go from here to here? >> charlie, if this was the medieval ages we would be writing ballots about this achievement and singing it for generations. this is a 132-year history of leicester football club. they've never come close to winning this trophy.

english football is run by money, the common wisdom off the field, bank accounts determine success on it. >> rose: so how did they do it? >> they did it with hard work. they did it with honest endeavor, and they did it with a bunch of guys who wanted to play for a manager who everybody really killed when he came in halfway through the season. and he was known as the tinker man when he was with chelsea. he made that many changes in a week. nobody ever knew what the team was going to be. with leicester, he couldn't make those changes because he didn't have the depth on the bench. so he made 25 changes all year. >> that's all true. it's also true that the big clubs all have bad years. but the last thing is there was something at least vaguely scientific -- >> yeah, i want to hear about this. >> a little bit like "money ball." what they did was bought people-- they actually looked at the statistics. >> they scouted better.

they knew the big teams were complacent. big players, big money, we'll bring them in. they pieced this team together and watching them, they never wanted the ball. they had one of the lowest percentages of possession. they were waiting for a single moment when they could spring forward. it was like watching a band of ninjas. >> who won last year? >> chelsea. >> rose: how does this team compare with chelsea's team last year? >> you couldn't possibly. one of chelsea's players cost more than this whole team together. >> $200 million was chelsea, and $20 million was leicester. the other thing they did, they did this thing where it's very unusual to counter-attacking. people do that. but this really unusual thing of having incredibly low possession. because all the teams that people tend to revere-- barcelona-- they tend to always have the ball spp and what leicester did was, "no, you have

it." >> rose: shapewear has become a special element of women's fashion and spanx has become the leading brand. it was the brainchild of then-29-year-old sarah blakely. in 16 years she has grown her business to more than $400 million in annual sales and even warren buffet has become a fan. >> it honestly all happened with me as a frustrated consumer. i had never taken a business class. i had never worked in fashion or retail. i just simply wouldn't figure out what to wear under my own white pants. and i stumbled upon a solution and cut the feet out of my own control-top pantyhose, put them on under my white pants, was able to wear a great style open-toed shoe with it. that night-- i only did it one night, charlie-- and i went home and said, "this should exist for

women." i have to find a way to keep this product comfortably just below the knee and i will fill this void between traditional underwear and girdles that were too heavy duty and traditional underwear left panty lines and wasn't a great canvas for women in clothes. so spanx kind of filled this lane that became the perfect canvas under everybody's wardrobe. >> rose: and was it immediately successful? >> you know, it was, but it took two years of hear other the word "no" to get it made. the tough part of my journey was in cold calling all the manufacturing plants and begging them to help me make the product. >> rose: and many of them said, "no, we can't do this." >> yes, pretty much all of them said no. i kept asking. i really disrupted this industry that had been seeing products one way, which is holesry meant to be seen on the leg, and i showed up with my red backpack and $5,000 in savings and saying, "i just want your material. i'm going to make a new type of undergarment out of your

material, and people report even going to see the hosiery." it was like, "well, no one will buy that." or "we don't understand that." the one thing i thought was so interesting was that i wasn't talking to any women, charlie in the journey. i mean, everybody was talking to -- >> it was a man, and what would they know? >> then it kind of dawned on me. and i thought maybe this is why our undergarments have been so uncomfortable. >> rose: it's a perfect example of that, isn't it? >> it really is. >> rose: what does it do for hem. >> for one it's -- >> it's form fitting. >> but it allows you to just wear your clothes. think of this. if you have a great piece of art, the paint is your clothing and spanx is the canvas. you have to have the right canvas for the artwork and painting to come together. as women, "a," we had really uncomfortable options. i joke and say there was the traditional underwear that left a panty line and somebody invented the thong which just put underwear exactly where we've been trying to get it out of, charlie. and i was like, this is not

working. so spanx, provided comfortable solution for women that let the clothes really work, certain fabric, silks, certain jerseys, and lighter colors. women had just been trained that we-- we couldn't wear them. i mean, the models in the magazines were all being airbrushes and it was all kinds of smoke and mirrors, and you'd get home with the pair of white pants and stare at them in your own closet and go, "i don't really know what i'm supposed to wear under this." reporter. >> rose: there is a new exhibit at new york's museum of modern art, edgar degas, a of "a strange beauty" explores the 19th century artist passion for printmaking. jodi hofmann is the museum senior curator for drawings and prints. put degas in the great context of art in the 20th and

21st century. >> well, he is really, as you just said, known as the chronicler, the great colonicler of the ballet, and that's what we associate him with. he was also wildly experimental, relentlessly experimental, and that's what the exhibition seeks to show, the way he deified convention, reached forking in new. and in that, i think that's where his influence really is on art of the 20th century, and even artists of today. >> rose: what is a monotype? >> that's an important question. so a monotype is essentially a hybrid of drawing and printmaking. and what degas did, what artists do, took a copper plate, draw on it with black painter's ink, make a sandwicha a blank piece of paper and run it through a press. a monotype, it's mono, it's one. but degas, who was always defying what materials are supposed to do, always making them do things that they're not meant to do, often played with that idea of singularity and we

tried to show that in the exhibition. the new yorker said, "it underalize a truth that degas' genius was a graphic on the arc, supersorcery." do you agree with that? >> it's a beautiful description, and it is something that i think you see in the exhibition. degas is a follower of ang, and a drawing that's precise and very descriptive. and so what he learns with monotype what, monotype encourages in degas is a kind of looseness, a kind of gesture. and so you move from something very precise to something very loose and liberated. and the way monotype did that, if you think about the plate being very slick and the ink that he's using being very viscous upon the slick plate encouraged him to move the ink veryeasily, so there's no reswrips the way you would have with paper. so that encouraged him to move the ink around and to loosen up

and be more really improvisitory. when you draw on the plate, you can mack a change with monotype up to the minute you print it. it's not like wood cut where you are carving into it and making a commitment. the idea that you could make a change, simply wipe the plate off if you didn't like what it looked like and try again also encouraged a kind of spontaneity and maliability into degas' work, and you see that over the course of the exhibition, the way he gets looser, the work gets more abstract. >> rose: and the idea of process as product pervades this. >> definitely. and this is something i think that was always part of degas' work but really comes out with monotype. here's an artist where finish wasn't that important. it was always about making a new image, making something new, trying new things. and even with the drawing, it wasn't about making preparatory

drawings for a finished painting, which is what we think of traditionally. every kind of medium was equally valuable for degas. they all taught him something, showed him ways to use materials in different ways. he was always interested in trying new things. >> rose: the hip-hop musical "hamilton" made history this week with a record 16 tony nominations. that's more than any show in the history of broadway. one of those nominations went to daveed diggses. >> i ended up in this group with lin, and we were. ing at the super bowl in 2012, i think, whenever it was in new orleans, maybe 2013. and tommy kail was directing that event. and after it was over, he tells

me, "lin's writing this new thing. it's a rap musical about alexander hamilton." and i told him it was a terrible idea and to please send me the music. and he asked would i come to a reading at vassar? and i said, of course,. and he sent me the script and-- he sent me the script, such as it was, you know, thus far. there was the first act and some scattered songs from the second act, and all the demos of lin singing every part of every song. and beats that he made in garage band, totally unfinished. and it was the most brilliant thing i had ever heard. >> rose: "the most brilliant thing you'd ever heard?" >> in terms of a musical, as an idea for a thing to put on stage. immediately i just told them i want to do it. what i do have to learn how to do? >> rose: and what did they say? >> they said just come to vassar and do the reading. i did that. and i just kept showing up. every time they told me they were going to touch it again, i

canceled plabz, i took flights because i didn't want them to see anybody else because i was not qualified to do this. i had never done a musical before. i never sang in front of people before. i was so uncomfortable doing everything except rapping, when i have been doing most of my life. i was very comfortable doing that. but all the other components of it, the dance, the singing, were so new to me. so, fortunately, everybody was very patient with me and decided to not replace me. >> rose: tell me about lin. >> he's a genius. he's certified. >> rose: he's got the credit. >> but he really is in the best way, he'so fascinated by the things he gets interested in. his mind works so fast. when you freestyle with somebody you get to know them pretty well because you don't have time to put up walls really. all your guard-- the weight of freestyle is to let everything

drop and exist in the moment. and the way lin works is he can grab inspiration from anything, and he retains information very well. he's so, so fast. his mind moves so much faster than mine. >> rose: so playing jefferson every night, how do you see him? >> as somebody who has lived a privileged enough life to not be stressed out by his contradictions. i think a lot of us spend-- me, spend-- you know, i, personally, daveed spend a lot of time worrying about if my actions are lining up with the kind of person i want to be. and i don't get the sense from thomas jefferson that that was a thing for him. i think he-- everything was always taking care of.

and he was brilliant, and so he had the freedom to sort of be brilliant and not really worry about if it was good. this idea of good doesn't seem to come into play necessarily. there is what is right? what is going to make the country strong? what is going to make me rich? what is going to allow me to keep this lifestyle. >> rose. >> rose: and he die broke. >> yeah. >> gl and how about lafayette? >> lafayette is sort of the opposite in that sense. he's a guy who left all of his wealth behind to come fight in the revolution. >> rose: because of a sense of adventure? because he wanted to test himself? >> i think that. i think he was from a military family and wasn't doing anything particularly involved with the military. he was looking for that. but, also, i think because of this idea of what america represented. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is mother's day.

monday is the day the wishes of the critic circle drama awards are announced. tuesday is the day the syrian peace talks are scheduled to resume in genev aswitzerland. wednesday is the opening day of the cannes film festival. thursday is the closing ceremonies of the invictus games for wounded veterans. friday is the day president obama hosts the nordic summit with leaders of denmark, finland, iceland, norway, and sweden. saturday is the 36th penn faulkner award for fiction ceremony in new york city. and here is what's new for your weekend. the 142nd running of the kentucky derby can be seen on nbc on saturday. >> these are just a few of the names that might be added to derby history. two minutes. one chance. >> rose: "captain america:

civil war" is in theaters. and the dave matthews band begins its summer tour saturday with a charity concert in charlottesville, virginia. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by:

>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with brett mcgurk. he is the special envoy to the coalition fighting against i.s.i.s. >> i.s.i.l is -- director brendan last weekend called it a fee phenomenon. it is a phenomenon, and it's important to understand how we analyze it, how you make sense of something like this. we analyze it in three dimensions. there's the core in iraq and syria which we're talking about. you have to shrink the core. you have to shrink the amount of territory they control, and we are shrinking it, about 45% in iraq, less in syria but strategic plans in syria. so there's a core in iraq and syria. there is then the global networks, the foreign fighter network, the propaganda, recruiting and financing networks, and then they have eight self declared affiliates around the world.