>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, trump takes on washington as sanders surprises. new developments in fight against isis. and jeff dams and michelle williams star on broadway in "blacked bird. >> it was one of those roles that you knew there was more there. that was the lure, the challenge of turning whatever it was you did, which was successful, with a lot of critics, turning it inside out and reexamining it. >> rose: we will have those stories and more on what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider

of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? >> i was in love. >> rose: is it luck at all or is it something else? >> rhythm and how it moves people. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> sprinting a marathon. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week donald trump met with republican congressional leaders in an attempt to unify the party. isis claimed responsibility for a massive car bomb in baghdad. and stefan curry of the golden state wariers was the first player to be unanimously chosen as the week's most valuable player. here are the sights and sounds of the last seven days. a baghdad car bomb kills dozens. >> kim jong-un changing his tune.

north korea will not use nuclear arms unless threatened by nuclear weapons. >> we won a big victory in west virginia. >> can hillary clinton still facing a stubborn bernie sanders on her left. >> i am looking forward to debating donald trump in the fall. >> we want to see something good happen and i think we'll do for the if we're unified. >> we shipment just pretend our party is unified when it is not. >> rose: the feds sue north carolina over the bathroom bill. >> we believe a court should tell our state what the law requires. >> the obama administration is telling every public school district in the country to allow transgender student to use the bathrooms that match the gender that they identify with. >> victoria beckham admitted a new interview, while performing with the spice girls, her microphone was usually turned off. even crazier, bernie's mic has been turned off this whole time. "i don't need it! it's a waste of valuable

electricity!" >> dozens of russian medal winners at winter olympic games were part of a state-run doping program. vladimir putin calls the claim the slander of a turncoat ♪ i hope you had the the time of your life ♪ >> morley safer is retiring after a more than half a century at cbs news. >> i have led a charmed life, pure, unadult rated luck, and i've been a very lucky guy ♪ i feel good >> rose: speph made history becoming the first unanimous m.v.p ♪ so good, so good, but i got you ♪ >> rose: in politics this week, donald trump has turned his attention to making peace with his party and his party making peace with him. hillary clinton, on the other hand, can't seem to stop senator bernie sanders. here with that and more of the

week in politics is dan balls. he is the chief correspondent for the "washington post" and, as always, i'm very pleased to have him. so what do we make of the deal-- or whatever it was-- that happened on thursday in washington? >> well, charlie, i think as everybody seemed to state, this was a first step, not a final step. it was an important set of meetings that donald trump had with-- first with paul ryan and then with the house republican leadership and then with the senate republican leadership. and there was a joint statement, almost as if this was a summit meeting between heads of state in which they expressed confidence that they were beginning to get on the same page. but we know that, particularly with donald trump and speaker ryan, they are very different human beings. they come from very different backgrounds. they have very different views about the world. and on a lot of key policy issues, they're on different sides of the coin. >> rose: and they have two different concerns, donald trump to win the election, paul ryan

to make sure that the damage to the republican party, if there is some, is minimized. >> i think that's absolutely right. i mean, if there is a top priority on capitol hill at this point, as they look toward the fall, it is not necessarily to elect donald trump. it is, first and foremost, to preserve the majorities that they have in both the house and the senate. >> rose: clearly, donald trump has said some things and done some things within the last week that worries the republicans, number one, the attacks on hillary clinton suggesting he is going to run that kind of campaign and some people are nervous about that. also, he has begun to hedge some of his position, especially with respect to social security, which he differs with paul ryan. i mean, how different are they on issues, rather than just style? >> well, they're very different on some issues. donald trump went through the primaries as essentially almost the lone republican who said we

don't want to do anything to change social security. we want to make sure that this program stays basically where it is. paul ryan has been a champion for entitlement reform and significant entitlement reform. so that's one issue. trade agreements are another area. i mean, republican orthodoxy is that free trade is good for this country, and donald trump has campaigned strongly with the idea that these trade agreements have been terrible for the country. i don't know how they reconcile that, either of those issues. charlie, i think one thing that we have to keep in mind is that donald trump's a moving target on a lot of these issues. he has been through his entire life. i mean, he's been a democrat, he's been a republican, he's been liberal on certain issues, he's been conservative on certain issues. and i think that is one thing that probably crnlz a lot of republicans in particular. >> rose: turning to the democrats, bernie sanders continues to win primaries. >> he sure does. and he will probably win a couple of more. he very well could win a couple of more. i think the clinton campaign has

always thought that until they get to that june 7 date when you've got california and new jersey and smrg states, that some of these interim stops on the trail would be more favorable to bernie sanders, and they certainly were on tuesday night. so, you know, it keeps the energy going in his campaign. it provides him with at least some rationale to say he's going to keep fighting. un, it continues to cause a problem for hillary clinton, that she will have to resolve once they get to the convention and head to the general election. the sanders supporters are not fully bought in to hillary clinton's campaign yet. >> rose: there are new developments this week in the fight against isis. in a report airing this sunday on nbc news' "on assignment,"

you will learn the identities of 15 americans who have joined up with the jihadis. it is the latest investigation by richard engel. he is the chief foreign correspondent for nbc news. a friend of this program. welcome. >> good to be here, as always. >> rose: take me to the beginning. >> so, for us the beginning was in-- about two months ago in southern turkey. we met an isis defector, someone who claimed to be an isis defector, who was part of their security division. and he said he grew disillusioned with isis, thought the group was too brutal, too savage, and he wanted to escape. so he says that he stole a thumb drive, a flash drive. he didn't know what was on it. he just knew that it was important, valuable stuff that isis kept very close watch on. >> rose: gave it to you. >> he gave it to us, and we opened it up, and there were thousands and thousands of documents on this file. and what these documents were, were the isis personnel

registration files, over 4,000 foreign fighters. so when foreign fighters would arrive in isis territory, like when you land in the airport, like many countries, you fill out a little form-- name, address, et cetera-- except the isis forp was relatively detailed-- name, real name. the countries you visited. emergency phone contacts, special skills nationality, blood type. a full dossier. and then when we were sorting through these and we focused on the 15 u.s. citizens or u.s. residents that were among this cache of documents. >> rose: you will reveal the names on the program. >> yes. >> rose: on sunday might. >> and we started researching. >> rose: what patterns did you find? >> well, there was a cell. we identified a cell. there was a family group that had become radicalized in the united states. we identified a 16th isis member who wasn't even on our

list. and the f.b.i. consistently, we found, didn't respond to clues. people in the community knew. people in their families knew what was happening to them, that they were becoming more and more dangerous. and these all represent ints failures because if the f.b.i. had known about these people or stopped them, then hay would never have ended up joining isis and filling out their registration forms. so these were the ones who got through the net. >> rose: what does the f.b.i. say now? >> the f.b.i. and we interview a senior justice department official says that they've gotten better, that they are preventing more americans from leaving this country to try an join isis, that the number of americans and other foreign nationals who are going to join the so-called islamic state has gone down. but, of course, of course there's a flip side to that. if the u.s. law enforcement in general is better at locking the door and keeping them from going to join isis, well, that means

you've locked them inside this country, and they're here. >> rose: josh sapin is the present c.e.o. of amc networks. he is the man who put on television "mad men," "breaking bad" and "the walking dead." he was an early champion of video on demand. his newest centur "take five" will debut on sundance's web site. the first installments focus qoaz of social justice. >> so we have a new streaming service that's not a cable tv channel -- >> and who doesn't well it it's true. hbo does it, hulu does it. >> that took care of the explanation, who doesn't? it's a new streaming service.

thank you for the help with the explanation it's called sundance doc club. >> rose: you've curated the greatest base? >> i think so. >it's perhaps thecase that a cat had ads to support it was not the right formulation for the world's greatest documentaries that may not have mass, mass, maz appeal, but may have great importance. to that end, in addition to had collection, which we're adding films, feature films as well, we did our first original series. and our notion was to do something interesting in documentaries and do something timely. what we did is we tried to create-- if i can say it this way-- what moob the op-ed page of today and tomorrow by putting in the hands of five film makers

enough money to make five-minute films on one subject. and the subject -- >> on the same subject? >> on the same subject the. >> rose: oh, really. you take five great film makers and say, "this is the subject, go make a movie." >> and the subject is, "justice in america. what does it mean to you?" so we did that. we went to five i would call them emerging documentarians. and said whatever you think-- we at a.m.c.positive have experience by putting ourselves in the hands of the creators, and we said go gdo it and we'll juxtapose all five and put them ou streaming service and the world can see what these individuals think justice in america thinks. >> rose: how many subjects like that do you have up your sleeve? >> endless, if we find that it -- >> like "race in america" or "justice in america ""future in america." >> "president in america."

there would be a million things. >> rose: when you look at what you've done over there, is your favorite program "walking dead," "breaking bad," "mad men?" >> i would say that "breaking bad "was breathtaking and vince gilligan and peter gould-- i don't know if you watch the prequel, as it's called in tv terms of "breaking bad, "which is what happened to those characters and how they developed, is beautifully nuanced and rare and each note iis incredibly true. so it resonates, at least for me, wonderfully. we also financed a movie that took 12 years. so maybe it was just the gestation period that made me love it. >> rose: that's "boyhood." >> "boyhood." for me it's a high point. maybe it's just an exercise in professional patience. and the result was so unusual.

♪ that money break it down ♪ uptown funk don't give to you ♪ 'cause uptown funk don't give it to you ♪ saturday night and we in the spot ♪ don't believe me just watch >> rose: mark ronson made his name as a d.j.in the new york city club scene and has worked with some of the biggest names including adele, amy winehouse, and sir paul mccartney. his new album "uptown special" earned ronson two awards at this year's grammy, including record of the year. his single "uptown funk "has been viewed on youtube more than 1.5 billion times. >> what happened with that song it started off as a jam in bruno's studio. it was an improvisational jam. bruno office the drums, i was on bass, and, you know, every now ask then, a jam is just a bunch

of useless wasting time. and sometimes you hit into a rhythm, and that one felt great. and then the difference is, i guess, with when you're starting a song, the jam is, like, conceiving the baby. anything is possible, you know. it's endless. it's like it could go this way, it could go this way. >> rose: the improvisational part. >> yeah, it's fun, and the sky's the limit. and you get to the point six months down the line and you say how do we rewrite the crib. and that's like raising the child. when you have something that everyone in the room feels like has the potential to be great, it's a little tougher to get it to the finish line. >> rose: you've always been fascinated with vinyl. >> always fascinated with vinyl, you know, because i started in the era of d.ing when that's what you did. you had vinyl. i still love it. i actually don't really play them that much, but i have 5,000 records in my studio that i just need to see them every day to be

a reminder of where you come from, and i can sea little smien super bowl xxxix and know, remember where i bought that. >> rose: was being a d.j. the perfect training ground for you? >> it's probably the closest you can get to have a modern musicology kind of course. you learn everything about musicianship, arrangement, playing, especially if you're studying old records. >> rose: what have you wanted to do that you haven't done? >> i mean, i definitely-- some of the things, especially because of the result of this song "uptown funk" are milestones hay never, ever thought i would achieve. and i would have been perfectly happy if i had never. my career was on a good enough path, and playing the super bowl or "s.n.l.," they wouldn't even be on my bucket list because i would say my bucket list is more grounded in reality. but i think my heros, people like george martin, quincy jones, they have decades and decades -- >> great producers.

>> and a legacy of great music. maybe i have a best seven to eight years of having made records that could be considered important or people like. but i just-- it's all i want to do and just get better as a producer and arranger and do that. >> rose: a revival of "blackbird" is currently playing on broadway. it is the story of a man confronted by a woman with whom he'd had a relationship with she was a minor. it has been nominated for three tony awards including best leading actress in a revival for michelle williams and best leading actor for jeff daniels. >> originally had done it in 2007 at manhattan theater club off broadway. i left it feeling i had done what i was supposed to do with it, and when scott rudein called and say let's bring it to

broadway, usually it's been there, done that, but i hadn't done it right. >> rose: you see it new then. >> yes. >> rose: with fresh eyes? >> well, there's more clarity for me. what i didn't have before and what i have now is the addiction, the powerlessness that this character has for underaged girls. and it's wrong. it's criminal. it's horrific, and he's powerless against it. and like any alcoholic or any addict will tell you, you are powerless against that thing. and i didn't have that before. i didn't-- i didn't include that before. and it certainly ipforms what we do from page one on when the thing you're trying to fight and deny that you even have a problem with, even if she's older, just walked in the door. it's like to an alcoholic it's a bottle of whiskey. >> rose: so here's a man who committed a crime, paid a price,

and all of a sudden, the young woman, girl, now woman, shows up. why does she show up? what is it about what this experience has done to her that demands she come back? >> uh-huh. she was left entirely unresolveed, which is what you find out during the course of the play. she was left at a crucial moment in their relationship, and has been trying to piece together what happened, why it happened, how it happened, who was at fault, has been trying to piece that together by herself for the last 15 years. and stumbles across a photo of him looking happy, looking adjusted, looking -- >> and she's not. >> she's not. she's none of those things. she's entirely alone. her father, who seemed like was the only person who wanted to protect her or look out for her

is gone. she isn't in a relationship. you find out that that hasn't worked out well for her. she's utterly alone and sees this photo. so i think that there's a lot of-- what she wants -- what she thinks she wants in this meeting, her surface desire to humiliate him, to alarm him, to scare him, to -- >> make him pay? >> to make him pay. to make him pay. i think that's what she comes in there thinking she's going to do. and then, you know, his reaction to her, her reaction to seeing him, she loses control of the situation. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the day president obama delivers the commencement address at rutgers university. monday is the day the mann

booker prize for fiction is announced. tuesday is the day of the presidential primaries in kentucky and oregon. wednesday is the day the monkees begin their 15th anniversary tour in fort meyers, florida. thursday is the start of the national rifle association's annual meeting in louisville, kentucky. friday is the drama legg awards in new york city. saturday is the day horse racing's preakness stakes are run at pem licko in baltimore, maryland. and here is what's new for your weekend. kenny rogers begins his final world tour. ♪ you and me ♪ we'll be together again ♪ because we both know ♪ we'll still be old friends >> rose: jodie foster's "money monster" starring george cleany and julia roberts is release ren

theaters nationwide. >> cut the feed! >> turn the cameras on! >> what do you want me to do? >> turn them on! >> put it up. >> and the shaky knees music festival gets under way in atlanta, georgia. >> rose: this past weekend, i was honored to receive an honorary doctorate from the university of the south. i gave the commencement speech, and at the same time, i had a wonderful conversation with one of that school's most honored graduates, the historian and pulitzer prize-winning writer john meacham. let me share with you some of what we said. >> we're fortunate, indeed, to have two experts in the art of conversation. i suspect before very long, we won't be quite sure who is

interviewing whom. ( laughter ) >> so 1991, can which is a critical year, the soviet union expends your show begins. >> that's exactly right. >> maybe not in that order. but in these 25 years, we've gone from a republican president, george h.w. bush, the most civil of men, who could not talk about himself; to republican nominee who talks about little else. >> rose: that's right. you tell me what do you think has happened between bush and trump? >> this is the first time where the plane has been hijacked with the help of the passengers. >> rose: right. >> right? so this is-- this is someone who now has a-- one of the two major parties in the country since, you know, founded in 1856, that, you know, he now can fly that through the general election. you've interviewed how many presidents? back to -- >> nixon. i was trying to probe into why,

which is one of my favorite questions. and nixon said to me, "you know, i don't like this psychological stuff." ( laughter ) >> things might have been a little different if he had. ( applause ) just a tiny bit. bill clinton. >> rose: came on my show, and so-- this is the art of conversation, okay. so here we are, knowing bill clinton's coming, it's the new york primary, and we know he's coming and he's just come from new hampshire, so new york. he wants to win badly in new york. and he comes on, and he sits at the table, the same table that i sat at last night, and he sits at the table, and we have deliberately played a lot of elvis songs because i had read, i had read somewhere that he knew the lyrics of all of the best elvis songs. do you remember every line of every elvis song? >> no, but i remember a lot of them. >> rose: would you just hum one to give us a little sense of your favorite? we were listening to a little bit of elvis as we were going

out here. >> but you know i don't have a voice. i'm too hoarse. >> rose: give us your best elfes. >> my best elvis is weak tonight ♪ you know i can be found that's all i can do ♪ sitting home all alone ♪ if you can't come around ♪ at least, please, telephone my message to the new york press ♪ don't be cruel but hiem too hoarse. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. on behalf of all of us here, thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you next time. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by captioned by media access group at wgbh

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