>> rose: welcome to the program. i'm charlie rose. the program is "charlie rose: the week." just ahead, new terror hits france. countdown to the republican convention. and viggo mortensen plays an idealestic father forced to confront the modern world in the film captain fantastic. >> we created paradise. what we're doing here is so incredible. the kids are amazing. >> mom needs to be in the hospital right now. >> rose: we will have those stories and more about what happened and what might happen. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide.

captioning sponsored by rose communications >> rose: and so you began how? what your values are. >> rose: is it luck or something else? >> you have to be stubborn and patient. >> rose: what's the object lesson here? >> improvement of black communities. >> rose: tell me the significance of the moment. >> rose: this was the week france reeled from a terror attack. donald trump chose a running mate and the second wimbledon title. the sights and sounds of the past seven days. >> michael elliott, journalist and humanitarian dies at 65. >> france once again. a terrorist strikes in nice. we turned to hear a lot of comcommotion, shrieking and shouting and saw a truck. >> according to the prime minister of turkey, a coup attempt underway at this hour?

turkey. >> protesters back on the streets in major cities across the country raising protest against the killings of african-americans by police. >> clinton -- sanders endorses hillary clinton. >> i don't know if mike pence within your governor or vice president. >> i am delighted that theresa may will be the next prime minister. she is strong and competent. >> rose: a tribunal rejects claims to the south china sea. >> beijing said it will ignore the results. >> i think i'm questioning her mental capacity. >> justice ginsburg insulted trump which is a big no no for a supreme court justice. >> in response to her critics, ginsburg said job for life. >> rose: poke mon takes off. pokeémon go is to use your phone to search for creatures. >> that is to revolutionize the

way people almost get hit by cars. >> rose: portugal takes the euro cup. >> the final bow over the weekend for a packed show-up wards of $20,000 a seat. >> rose: dallas mourns. ♪ amazing grace ♪ >> we are not as divided as we seem. w>> we will not forget what they did for us. >> a final farewell in dallas as family and officers remember the heros. >> rose: for the third time in 18 months flags in france have been lowered to half staff. more than 80 are dead after a terror attack in the resort city of nice. there a french tunisian national

drove a truck into crowds gathered to celebrate bastille day, left a mile of dead in his wake. mike urban of the bbc. >> he had a police record. he had been involved in petty crime but not considered to be involved in militant islam. in that sense, i think they're still looking for the more precise clues. we know that the islamic state hasn't yet claimed this, there hasn't been any sort of official response from their affiliated media outlets. so i think there are open questions still about the degree to which they had any real involvement with this or whether this was simply somebody who, for a combination of motivations, resentment of french society but also perhaps some religious motivation, chose to do this. >> rose: is this the wave of the future where so-called lone wolfs are going out on their own without being directed other than having the general sense we want you to go kill

non-believers? >> we don't know for example that mohamed bouhlel went to syria, there's no evidence he did, to fight there, whereas, of course, some of the key figures in the terrorist attack last november and the people involved in brussels were people who were known to have gone and fought in syria. the more connections there are between individuals, the more movements across frontiers, the fewer the excuses for not finding them and getting some sort of warning. >> rose: and france itself. we have the prime minister saying we'll have to live with terrorism. we have the president saying the state of emergency will have to be continued, and he declared three days of national mourning. give us a sense of what the impact is on the nation and the citizens. >> the french intelligence services police certainly feel they are involved now in a very large scale battle. there are very worrying signs not just in terms of the number of instants.

many we're not seeing reported because they don't result in deaths but the number of incidents of violence taking place now and the possibility of extreme right wing counterviolence. we know about the arrest of a frenchman on charges of trying to buy weapons in ukraine a few weeks ago. he was allegedly planning counterattacks on muslims. so the whole picture in french society now is very tense, very combustible, and the forces of law and order and the security intelligence services are struggling, i think, to keep a lid on it. >> rose: this coming thursday, donald trump will formally accept the nomination of the republican party as its candidate for president of the united states. the presidential historian john meacham recently sat down with trump to take his measure of the man. it is cover story of the new issue of "time" magazine.

john joins me from nashville, tennessee. john, thank you for doing this. it's a very interesting title, "gut check." tell me what you learned from donald trump. >> he is unabashedly and unapologetically the least conventionally prepared major party nominee arguably in american history but let's just say modern times. you mentioned this thursday. this will be the first time a major party nominated someone without significant governmental or military experience since wendell wilkey 76 years ago. so this is, you know, you and i have talked about before, using the word "unprecedented" is always tricky, trump is pretty damn close to being unprecedented on all counts. so if you're voting for trump, you really are voting for his gut, and he doesn't mind that's the way the issue is framed. >> rose: in fact, what he said to you, he said, "i have a number of advantages over anybody else, even a traditional

candidate." >> absolutely. he doesn't hide this at all. in the snowstorm of the information age, he's so absorbed in what's happening right this second that he takes almost no time to ask how the world came to be the way it is. i pressed him through the conversation, and he said at one point, not surprisingly, he said, you know, i'm really very, very good at what i do. he said, i can do what other people can't. i interrupted him and i said, why is that? and he sat back and said, why is that. he said, i don't know. he said why did jack nicholas win so many golf tournaments? hi did babe ruth hit so many runs in the american league? this is trump talking, ruth was asked by reporters, how do you hit the long ball and he said, i don't know, i just swing at it. >> rose: so how can the nation discern what trump knows and what trump might do? that is, you know, it seems to

me, a fundamental question of this election. in terms of deciding someone. >> i absolutely agree. i think one of the things i did for this piece is i went back and looked at what presidents said about being president. >> rose: right. and harry truman dictated a lot of notes in his retirement and he said, you know, you never really know what a man is going to be like when he comes to a position of great responsibility, whether it's running the country or a farm. you just have to judge his views on present experiences, present events, and if you judge trump by that, it's not particularly reassuring, right? i mean, you need to know the difference between hamas and hezbollah. you need to know that the president of the united states was born in hawaii, not kenya. >> rose: and you need to know the areas in which he had competence that his instinct was right and that, even if it was negotiating, it did, in fact,

did he outnegotiate other people or simply pay the highest dollar. >> right, so you need case studies. >> rose: right. you need to understand the deals. he's selling himself as a dealmaker. i said at one point, what do you say to people who say you're a salesman and you will say anything to close a deal? he said, the country needs a salesman. so that's the great risk here. i'm not being ferociously partisan at all. this is just simply from a clinical, historical view, a vote for trump is a risky proposition because we simply don't know the answers to the questions that i pose and that you're asking. >> rose: our focus turns to cleveland where the republican national convention begins monday. mashed we expect?

kristen is a pollster, columnist for the washington examiner, i am pleased to have her here. what kind of convention are we going to get? donald trump says it's going to be different. >> i think we'll get an unconventional convention. certainly there has been frustration from folks in washington that there aren't as many typical republican luminaires planning to show up. normally these conventions at least on the republican side tend to feature a lot of big names, maybe get a former president or two to show up, you get big name governors, senators, here a lot of folks are taking a pass. you won't have mitt romney or anybody with the last name bush speaking. >> rose: is anybody with the last name bush coming? >> most likely, no i don't believe so. there are a lot of folks who are big names in the republican party who are choosing to sit out. on the other hand, donald trump has been reaching out to folks from the reality tv orbit. if donald trump knows anything,ettes how to put on a good, entertaining television production.

so this may be an unconventional convention in that it may draw a lot of eyeballs of folks trying to figure out what is he going to do. >> rose: we had people on this program or the nightly program saying the effort to get the delegates to change and to somehow deny him the nomination is still underway. is it really? >> you know, the rules committee met and the folks that are in the never trump movement suffered a lot of pretty big defeats. there are still moments on the floor when things could go a little haywire, for instance the rules that have been decided upon by the rules commit where which at this point will lead toe smooth sailing for donald trump, still have to be voted on by a majority of delegates on the floor, but it's expected the majority of the delegates are outright trump supporters or if they don't like trump don't want to rock the pote enough to blow everything up in cleveland. so seems it from unlikely that the never trump forces will be able to do anything to seriously

jeopardize his chances at being the nominee. >> rose: what's the reaction in the republican party to the assumed vice presidential no, nominee mike pence? >> it's fairly new but he's been discussed for a couple of days and generally i don't think the choice of pence changes much. some folks say he's a social conservative, he's got a lot of credibility in that sphere, p but you have others who have questions about his actions on things like the religious freedom law in indiana where he put forward a law but in the face of political backlashed seemed to backpedal on it. so it may be a situation where it doesn't change a whole lot. i don't know if it takes anyone who had grave concerns about trump and suddenly makes them much more comfortable. >> rose: the donald trump wins all kinds of question but loses big, what does it do to the republican party? >> you're going to have not just the trump folks and those loyal to him saying we lost because the establishment didn't get behind us, we lost because all of the donors sat home and the

voters didn't play fair and stick to their promise that they would support the nominee. so i think you will have the trump folks that are frustrated. but the folks that didn't like donald trump are split into two camps. you have the folks that don't like donald trump because think think he h's insufficiently conservative, the tea party folks sitting on the sidelines. on the other hand, there is i suppose the establishment group, largely the folks who believe in the results of the 2013 autopsy that says the party needs to expand, reach more young people, women, latinos, they said you created trump by shutting down the government, stirring up the anger so trump your fault and these two factions will blame one another for trump and have no agreement on what the party should look like in the future. >> rose: before nice, there was dallas.

president obama traveled there tuesday. he along with former president george bush and vice president joe biden paid tribute to the five police officers killed by a sniper last week in what the president has termed a hate crime. it was the single deadliest day for law enforcement since the attacks in september 11, 2001. >> if we are to honor these five outstanding officers who we've lost, then we will need to act on the truths that we know. >> rose: for more, here is peter baker and alan blinder of the "new york times." >> i think he had a lot to do with the speech himself. i think in the last day or two when he tried to work on it, it has been very difficult for him because he's give an version of this so many times in the last two years. he struggled to find words to convey something that have

impact. he said i don't know if my own words will have the impact i want, that are adequate, exactly, and that's a real admission for a politician who lived on the strength of his oratory and he finds his oratory, his speeches and words have not been enough to heal the country. >> rose: alan blinder is also there from the "new york times." tell us what happened. >> it's interesting in watching thousand reaction evolved before and after the speech. when i spoke to people before the speech, they weren't really sure what to make of president obama coming to dallas, what he would say amid the turmoil. a number of police officers i talked to were quite skeptical of what he might say. afterward, a lot of positive response. >> rose: what do you think it was about the speech, alan, that touched them? >> you know, i had the chief of the los angeles county sheriff's department tell me he thought the president straddled the line very well, that he recognized

that there are sacrifices that police officers and other law enforcement officials are called to take every day, but also pointing out that the black american experience has been difficult and that the law enforcement is often blamed for that. he said that he thought the president managed to weave together a few different narratives in american life and talk about how they affect everybody. >> rose: is there a sense that dallas is healing? >> i think there is a sense that it's a slow healing process. the funerals will continue throughout the week. i think people want to see really how those funerals go. chief brown made the comment yesterday that he would be -- this would be the hardest week of his life, the most challenging thing he's ever done. >> rose: the events in dallas have renewed the national conversation about policing and race. charles blow is a columnist with the niesms. >> what we have to do is change

hearts and minds so that the people who believe they are not part of this discussion, these people who look at this and say this is a conflict between the people who wear blue and the people who were born into brown and black skin, and that rub is happening separate from me and you. that's actually not the case. you are complicit in whatever police do in this country because the police are simply articulations of our desires and our mores and our laws. >> rose: i want to talk about "black lives matter" and rudy giuliani. i think he believes what he says. >> black lives matter, white, asian, hispanic lives matter, that's anti-american and racist. >> it's a fascinating deflection to say that people who point out that there have been people who

have been racially oppressed and want to lift those people out of that racial oppression by centering them in the conversation and elevating them to a position where you pay attention to the oppression they've suffered become people who you call racist, it's incredible. >> rose: yeah. it's an incredible thing. it's an amazing rhetorical slight of hand that you see all the time now. >> rose: "black lives matter." where did it start? what is its mission? >> you know, i'm not a part of "black lives matter." but it really gained steam. i'm not sure the data started, but it gained steam after the mike brown killing in ferguson. >> rose: right. they are kind of directing part of the conversation and you have to think about, you know, three or four years ago, who was advocating for these ideas of

police restraint, improvement of black communities on a national scale that could mobilize people and get them into the streets? there were people who did work, of course, but they have been able to, you know, within very short period of time, move tremendous numbers of people into action. that should not go without notice. >> rose: but all lives matter. do they miss something when they say that? >> all lives matter as a concept is the ultimate goal. but if you live in a society where both the criminal just -- criminal justice system, the policing system seems to suggest by the data that it values some lives less than others, then it is both morally right and appropriate to point out the lives that are valued less.

>> rose: captain fantastic is the story of a former college professor raising his six children off the grid in the pacific northwest. the family is forced by events to return to civilization, leading to an inevitable clash between cultures and val imbrues. joining me now is writer director matt ross and viggo mortensen, the film's star. >> the movie is very much about what your values are as a parent, what you pass to your children, and in that regard, when i was writing it, i was thinking a great deal about what really mattered to me. there are many things about the father that are part of my life. i endeavor with my wife to attend to our children in many ways and i'm very careful about what we feed them. i care about that very much. i think we all should be of

sound body and mind. a lot of my sense of humor is in the film, ben's sense of humor is in my film. a lot of what i believe about our country and the world is in the film. norm chumski day is the day i bought my house. >> rose: you grate it? i celebrate it as a social commentator and critic as much as i have howard zen. i think he's an important thinker. >> rose: tell me about the father, the character, for you. >> well, there are certain things that echoed from my long experience raising my child in terms of making an effort to communicate. >> mom does not have enough serotonin t to conduct electric

signals in her brain. >> exactly when is mom coming back? >> that's what i'm going to find out. >> i did not devote 100% of my energy and time to my child and his education. i don't think -- it's almost impossible to do that. in that sense, it's aspirational, what would it be like if i dropped everything. >> a form of extreme conscious parenting. >> rose: yeah. but like ben, i was not the kind of dad who was a, no, because i said so dad. like ben, in some regard, i have been a no, i don't think so, and let me explain why, and then if you have a counterargument, i would like to hear that. that takes longer and more effort. generally, i have been that kind of dad. though at times you get tired and short and you say no, i'm not going to play now, or we're not going to wrestle, we can't go swimming, it's time for bed. every parent is different, every child is different, finding the

rhythm and it changes from day to day. i think that's one of the great things about the story. when i first started reading it, i immediately realized this was special. ten, 15, 20 pages in, i see what it, is it seems to be less left leaning liberal, utopian fantasy and this family who lives off the grid in the forest will be our heros, and they will have conservative and ideas. in the story, it's more that be that. everything they do is not condoned for condemned and there are other models. i love the fact he goes too far and he realizes it and eventually finds a way to rebalance to make a compromise. >> rose: here is a look at the week ahead. sunday is the final round of the british open golf championship

in scotland. monday is the day president obama awards the medal of honor to retired lieutenant colonel charles kettles, a vietnam veteran. tuesday is the day the awards are announced. wednesday comic-con in san diego, california. thursday the closing session of the republican national convention in cleveland, ohio. friday is the first day of the salsburg music fest cal val in austria. saturday is the qualifying round to have the hungarian grand prix, and here is what's new for your weekend. guitarist jeff beck puts out his first album in six years called loud hailer. ♪ we're just humans in love >> rose: woody allen's comedy drama cafe society starring steve carell and christian stewart is released in theaters.

>> socrates said the unexamined life is not worth living, but the examined one is. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> rose: and this is the closing weekend for the 50t 50th montro jazz festival in switzerland. >> rose: that's "charlie rose: the week" for this week. for all of us here we thank you for watching. i'm charlie rose. we'll see you again next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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>> welcome. we begin with the attack that left 54 dead and many others injured. we start with mark urbin of the bbc. >> the police and intelligence are involved in a large-ale battle. there are very worrying signs not just in terms of the numbers of incidents many we're not seeing reported because they don't result in deaths but the numbers of incidents in violence and the possibility of extreme right-wing counterviolence. we know the arrest of a frenchman trying to buy weapons in the ukraine and was planning counterattacks on muslim. the whole picture in